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hullo Im replacing in arent you all the lucky ones?

anything that requires immediate attention ?

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yep so the site's been so bad i havent had a chance to catch up on anything

LAME

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PA, how are you drawing the distinction between an evolving town game and a scum game? I will grab a PYP where Nati was scum. I hate using meta but I like to understand what others say about meta to determine if valid.

this is a weird sentence

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yeah the whole thing I realized my error too late!

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ok yeah so we're back again?

Read up to about #450, so Im still a way behind

Dislike Thez for overaggressive defence of someone and then saying "Im passive day 1 me"
Dislike Matias for his "how dare you ask ME for reads YOU ended rvs" shitpost
Disliked G&C for "Im obvtown" after like one post, but then gave her some townpoints for reaching the same conclusion i did wrt greygnarl and his herself vote (i think)

Liked antihero's quick vote to Thez; if Id been on at that time that's where my vote wouldve gone
General impressions of wake and grey are townish
Liked the mastinhead coming in with Mathiashate, seemed a universal townread and Im not seeing it. Good contrariness

(AT work so havent got my notes but I only annoted up to #210 anyhow)

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unvote; vote mathias

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soooooo someone puffs out his chest stamps his feet and yells "PLEASE PLEASE LYNCH THIS GUY IM SUPA AWSUM" and that carries weight here? Fucking sad

AP if you're town you need to seriously address your ego problem because you couldnt be more deadwrong right now, for starters I havent provided nearly enough content for you to be so sure of my alignment. In any case, you are posturing, peacocking. You clearly have rep to burn here so go burn it on me, on a shit mislynch, devoid of any reasoning, backed only by you squawking "I guarantee he's scum" well take it and shove it.

Mollie we've only played once together in *ongoing* and I have certainly not tried to policy you so you must be confusing me with someone else

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Displaced I think part of the problem is that you're not providing much content.

and this makes me scum how? Not my fault the site has been borked

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Dude's scum 100% seal of APproval

This is a scum lynch. I guarantee it

Diosplaced really isn't town

wagon displaced. Its scum, I swear

Basically, he isn't really doing anything.

The site has been shit for a week, and Im catching up on 40 pages

He is trying to show he is engaged by pointing out that he is taking notes and tell us exactly where he is in catching up.

yep this is a shit point how is this a scumtell by any stretch

He is starting a wagon that has very little support atm (he admits as much in his buddy-attempt to mastin)

LOL IM BUDDYING MASTIN? YOU ARE THE ONE CALLING HIM CONFTOWN YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE

yet lays a casual vote down their anyways without really pushing it or attempting to pressure the slot at all. Matias is also conveniently not around to argue with him.

my vote is on mathias because of his shitpost where he abdicates responsibility to greygnarl for ending RVS; aka the worst post in the game up till that point from my pov, i dont care if mathias is here or not at the time I didnt know so yeah whatever

Oh and I didn't like his opening post, it felt nervous.

quantify this or this is just empty buzzwording

Add on to that that nobody has really been talking about this guy at all (self-defeating point)

so this makes me scum? because noone istalking about me? so now you are I guess im not scum then

DESPERADO GET IN HERE AND HELP ME. YOU OWE ME ON FROM ANYTHING FAILS MAFIA. IM FUCKING SERIOUS

Vote displaced, tia

I think displaced is scum though regardless

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so i responded to what little I could out of the empty tubthumping, but tell me AP what does town get back for your empty guarantee when i flip town?

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how dare you be so arrogant to presume you can read me from ~10 posts when you have never played with me before? To not even have a single slice of selfdoubt or humility, nope this is 100% guaranteed, approved signed and sealed by almightypidgeon

god such monumental arrogance

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oh so you keep score of these things point me to a 10 so I know how to react next time

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what's amusing?I dpont find it amusing that you drum up a wagon driven by pure rhetoric (since what actually amounted to the case was just godawful)

I mean I replaced in and the site has been all but impossible to use up until a day or two ago really what do you expect?

I can complain about getting wagoned for shit reasons and your cocksure attitude despite admitting you had reason to lack confidence previously; i have read tne thread so dont presume to say that i havent.(i ask where's the selfdoubt/humility) The fact you have expressed some self doubt earlier validates what i am saying about your soapbox style push on me.

but yeah i dont really think you are scum, just wrong. what do you think about etl moving me gfrom wtf to nulltown based upon the post i made you are hating on?

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the others on the wagon just mindlessly sheeped you

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the others on the wagon just mindlessly sheeped you

including herself who wasnt even townreading you iirc

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I guess she did? I just skimmed her ISO to see what was up with that. She had you as ??? then without any explanation in null-town (although apparently in response to your post).
I could see there being any number of explanations for that, so I don't find that particularly interesting. Why, what did you think about it? (Surely you think she shouldn't have any read on you because that would be impossible)
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well I certainly dont think it was enough to start townreading me and it seemed to come at a point when she getting some heat and was in need of a friend?

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... null town does not mean town, mister. It means I liked your post and didn't think it came from scum.

well yeah but nulltown is more town than null and I didnt think I especially deserved to be reevaluated based on just that post

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lost my town read on ap and it makes me want to cry

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If you think him saying he is unlynchable for not having posted is a 'bad idea' then, wut.

did i say that? i said you couldnt possibly be confident enough about your read to be electioneering it the way you were

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lost my town read on ap and it makes me want to cry

unless you really want to start a quote war where we write what we want the other person saying i would probably warn you that I am older, meaner and make you ragequit if I wanted to. <------ I do not want to go there do you?

so has your read changed on us? or you just trying to save your own neck at this point?

I am not going to lose my townread on ap cos I can read ap. we had 2 recent games 1 where he was town and 1 where he was scum and I read him correctly both times in a very short time.

Uhh I dont know what you're getting at here? Ive not written what I want you to be saying I quoted the relevant part of your #804 where you comment on a few players. I quoted the only part of the post that mentions AP. You go on to clarify in #807:

I thought yaye ap is town but his vote on us is pretty shitty. I would like to think he would not do this in 2 games where he tries to scumroll me but what the fuck he of all people should know that I will sometimes take a backseat in my hydra and why the fuck is he not going after mac for that horrible horrible reasoning and why is he letting etl slide on a weak meta read?

(again Im quoting part of the post with relevance; that is #807 is a reads list of all the player slots and Im quoting the part referencing AP)

Next mention of AP is #961

I was going to try to work with ap but then he voted me

(quoted/relevance/etc)

So you had a townread on AP but you lost it, you give reasons why you lost it but you're accusing me of writing what I want you to be saying?

#961

VOTE: displaced

finally we might be getting somewhere.

Getting somewhere eh? AP has moved his vote from you to me and we are getting somewhere, interesting given you accused me of being motivated purely by self preservation

#1075 I point out you are sheeping someone you dont have a townread on and you respond

I most certainly am townreading ap up until mastina walled he was my strongest town read. now he is my second.

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displaced (5): AngryPidgeon, GuyInFreezer, Herself, ika, MastinSSK

I expect one and a bit scum in here, most likely in [GiF, Herself] due to the others being varying shades of town

I expect one scum among those who have strongly disapproved of the wagon also [EtL, Hannibal, thezmon]

I'll be taking a closer look at these five players over tonight/tomorrow

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well you went out of your way to say you disagreed and wouldnt be voting it, so that's what I mean (more than just saying "eh I think disp is town"?

I mean whiteknighting is a legit strategy and I know for eg that it fits with scumRBD's M/O; you and thez idk really but it would be foolish to assume either of you were incapable of it as scum

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OK so I've not had as much time to devote to this with work gearing up for NYE but I did go through EtL's iso and I'm seeing her as really town; she seems driven in a way I see more often from town but the main thing that contributes to the read is that I think I picked up why she moved me from wtf? to null town after that post I made which AP disliked. This struck a chord with me as I develop reads in this way also.

The other main thing I picked up from the iso was that EtL comes out much the better from her exchange with Hannibal; She mentions Nat as a town read in her catch up post where she's up to #328 but later she mentions she is no longer so happy with three people (nat being one) and then later shes considering Nat in her lynchpool so Hannibal's accusation that she 180'd a townread on Nat is simply false

In other things, I agree with Nat in the above post about Mastin, that big wall isnt really that town and really a lot of stuff in it has no place in a game thread. I'd like to think none would stoop to lie about things like that to gain an ingame advantage but I also agree Mastin is town for other reasons

Gooner, Ive not raged for days?

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You think penguin's the generally sketchy player in this hydra slot?

lol

Also can we push this Nati wagon to a claim or flash wagon Hannibal? This game is going nowhere fast.

yes lets

VOTE: hannibal

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how is hannibal not dead yet?

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ample resistance to hannibal wagon votes for me are like snowflakes in a blizzard

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im town you spaz

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why so much resistance to lynching hannibal when she is guilty of doiing the things shes foisting on etl?

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your not a boss if you're town, youre just wrong and politicking a lynch. ive already been through thisd TRUST ME IM USING THE FORCE bs once with ap and now you are doing the same routine

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so what do you get out of my lynch (besides a townflip)

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Which is why we're voting displaced.

why are you voting for me? besides ego

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also weird how there been two wagons on me by players with the influence to strongarm lynches via their reputation
chances of both these players being town is low

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also weird how there been two wagons on me by players with the influence to strongarm lynches via their reputation
chances of both these players being town is low

Why do you feel that way? What do you have to support your argument that pushing for your lynch is in any way alignment-indicative, and in which ways is it indicative of town or scum?
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because if your reputations are deserved its unlikely youd both be wrong

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What an infallible argument

what hypocrisy

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What an infallible argument

what hypocrisy

I just want to slap my dick against your face every time you post.

you cant call me out for weak arguments when your own are flimsy as fuck

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how's the humble pie? I hope it taste goooooooooooood

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for starters I havent provided nearly enough content for you to be so sure of my alignment.

Really? "I'm not scum because I haven't posted enough yet for you to make that determination?" Wow. There's a new tell in town, displaced. It's called "scum caught for the wrong reason" and you look like a classic candidate.

So yeah this thing that you keep banging on about like its something supersolid and not a silly catch all that can be applied to almost any situation? If I'm a 'classic candidate' for the 'new tell in town' why didnt you vote me for it in the above post instead of you know...

Sweet. Nat needs more votes.

I'm thinking about voting displaced. Thoughts?

seeking approval ? Townies dont need approval for their vote not leasat when you've "caught scum with the latest supatell"

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AP are you still looking for that resaet button or what?

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I want to hear the tidbit that makes Yates town, cos he looks relentlessly scummy from my pov

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Well? I'm sure there is scum somewhere in ika/brian/alien/PV. All of those people bussed Hannibal to a degree.

yeah if we're going to sort those four, I'd be most concerned with alienbro, followed by brian (possible majizzy connection) ika is plainly town and PV looked really town in the interactions with Hannibal at deadline even if he did end up on the wrong wagon ... as an aside AP's interactions also read genuine (and hilarious I must say)

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Herself is probably town regardless of Gooner being killed here IMO

Also AP, Im totally not getting the Herself read. Elaborate please

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[ya know i after lookking back through a few post, i agree for the most part. i think we have our 2-3 suspects today.

yates, majiffy, and nat

lets pick someone and start going. i still want to go on majiff but he seems more oviscum right now so i will join on yate for now

VOTE: yates

literally the only thing that's topping me screaming blue murder about him is his stance on Yates; but he aint getting a carte blanche for yesterday oh hell no

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You are probably still scum. Prove me wrong.

well I see you still have your head up your arse, so forgetting the clear evidence itt for my towniness, the burden of proof still remains with you to prove Im scum

Ignoring the wifom bomb that comes with my hammering Hannibal when she started flailing at the end and tried starting anew wagon with no time left on the clock... Everything you've said so far is a great big pile of OMGUS. Even if you are eventually proven to be Town? How the F would I know that ON DAY 1?? Guess I'm the first townie in the history of MS to be wrong on a read or a wagon... *shrug*

this is so rich, you were given a treasure map to scum and you just shoved your head in the sand and refused to see it, in fact dismissing it as if it wasnt relevant or even worth your time, EtL implored and begged you but you had no interest. how could you not see how blatant it was? BOTH heads of the hydra were pushing the same brainwrong bullshit on EtL

The hammer is kinda not relevant at all since you'd look worse if you hadnt hammered anyways

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So he claimed Matias was scum for having the AUDACITY ["how dare you ask me for reads"] to push graygnarl on his crap posting. Then he turns around and literally uses the words "how dare you be so arrogant" to AP?? Yeah. That's not weird....

now to return to this I didnt say that Mathias was scum for the 'audacity' it was because the post is buck passing, he's washing his hands of the responsibility for the game and placing the sole onus on greygnarl. But still it's ok for you to say grey's setup spec posting was crap but then to use setup spec to justify the dismissal of the wagon speed argument (even though I picked up six/seven votes over the course of a few hours)

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He just dropped killinfo.

Right. Saying mafia OR sk OR potential 2nd scum team would kill a claimed follower - thus I'm not interested in guessing at NK spec is TOTALLY a "killinfo slip."

;lol:

havent you heard? There's a new tell in town, it's called 'scum caught for the wrong reasons' and you just might be a classic candidate

VOTE: yates

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It was the way they got force-replaced. Mollie's comments about their backend activity felt really town to me. I guess its not certain, but it read honest. I wasn't the only one that felt that way about them.

what about Mollie accusing me of misquoting her when i did no such thing?

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despite the off site meta nonsense displaced is trying to claim was a "treasure map." *shrug*

the evidence was the argument between EtL and Hannibal?

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2666 does not feel like scum talking to town, this makes me a little happier about a Yates wagon.

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Do you really need to see a connection to scum in order to find someone scummy? Displaced panicked because he was lurking and got called out and he knee-jerk busses Hannibal which wasn't likely to happen anyways. The ninstead of making a case on Hannibal, he goes after Majiffy and I for rekindling dat wagon.

You didnt call me out for lurking you gave the 100% seal of APproval that I was scum?
I looked at the wagon and those naysaying it, particularly EtL and Hannibal because I thought EtL gave me an unqualified town read and RBD head has a tendency to whiteknight. I looked at their iso and from that I learned why EtL gave me the townread (I posted something about NS that mirrored what she had said; whether that pinged her subconciously or not idk but it struck a chord because I townhunt using this 'wavelength' tell). The Iso also revealed that EtL was completely right about Hannibal, the stuff she was accusing EtL of was fabricated, not only that but both heads were pushing the falsehoods. How can you give two players a pass for this? As mastin demonstrated this is a natural evolution of a read not a manufactured bus

Nonwithstanding all that, taken in a vacuum, pushing the counterwagon to a scum lynch is just such a low percentage play that pushing it the next day IS pretty scummy. You are arguing that effectively the scum team had a negligible influence on the day phase. inb4 "omg appeal to probability"

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. Majiffy is voting you so go OMGUS him some.

I already stated yesterday i thought it likely one from you or majiffy is scum, at present I think it more likely to be you

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I also dont like how you flipped your read on Herself for no good reason

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Explain the contradiction between #2673 & #2927?

#2920 is pretty bad also

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For the stuff she siad when replacing out? I don't even think I was the first person to pick up on it.

I dont think it's an alignment tell, she was pissed at being forcereplaced whoop?

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OK if it really holds that Majiffy must be scum with my townflip then Ill eat this up happily and ask for seconds...problem is Im not really seeing how it's such a sure thing?

However, we cant have the game just being groundhog day until Im dead so Im not going to tantrum anymore. Just let me get my thoughts together and I'll (try to) make a nonshit post before Im lynched, OK?

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A lot of the exchange between EtL and AP highlighted what I dislike about AP; namely his reads are mainly air, almost all his comments on people are things like "well I lean town on the slot but there's something I just cant put my finger on that makes me doubt..." They all have built in back doors like this to enable him to switch gears whenever he likes, which he does like all the time. He's also completely flipped reads on several slots without much explanation (Herself/Goodfather, thez, Majiffy, myself)

There's also the confidence he comes after me with which is diametrically opposed to the positions he has taken on every other slot (except for maybe Hannibal; I think at this point his Hannibal stance is "Hannibal is town Im pretty sure"). What's also interesting is that his early posts indicate a suspicion of Mathias, low level maybe but it is there. Now my first content post featured my suspicion of Mathias quite prominently, this shouldve resonated with AP a little and at least given him some pause but it doesnt, he is all "SCUM CAUGHT 100% I GUARANTEE IT"

Then there is the interaction with the two wagons day one where the rhetoric for the Hannibal wagon is all "I feel super about this wagon and it's going happy places" then Majiffy enters with his cheerlead act and AP switches and "displaced wagon is made of win"

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hrrmm

Liking AP's more recent posts, I kinda get the same feeling about star8 and Im pretty much exactly there with his "strong town" list although Goodfather wouldnt be there in mine...

Brian's above quoted is a good prompt although I expect it will be Nati who'll flip scum from Nati/JS pool

Iown: DLies, PV, Bro
Null town: AP, BrianS, GC, Mac
Null: JS
Null scum: Majiffy, Sthar8, thez
Scum: Nati, Goodfather

Thez I really need to look at again, definitely the shakiest read

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VOTE: majiffy

for

Also considering it looks like the Hannibal slot is competent I'd rather not use our D1 lynch on it.

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Majiffy can you talk me through how your read on me developed on day one?

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No, the why ?

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"This thing is kind of useless" -> "This thing actually looks kinda bad too" -> "This thing reacts really poorly

too

" -> "This thing is a scumbutt through and through".

This is subjective, Im interested in why you ended up reading me in the first place

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So now that we've established how my read on you went, Displaced, why don't you go ahead and explain to me how you went from OMGUS to a legitimate scumread on me, and why.

Aka I know your try-to-follow-the-herd mentality and it's not getting past me.

Im kinda stuck in some loop where strong indicators are that there is scum in [AP, majiffy] and Im struggling to sort it with any confidence. That being said Ap's recent posts seem to be hitting the mark more and you havent really done anything aside from trying to get me lynched so

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I think you were in the list of suggested "people to read" when I replaced in.

Either that or I just picked you out because I had no prior experience with you. I can't remember which approach I took.

This was really a question for about 2 weeks ago.

yeah probably, the answer is reasonable enough

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@ G&C
I get confused by Hydras bc the head and Body sometimes post but not as the Hydra. Not sure if that is what you mean

The only people who post on QT are scum and masons... I guess Hydras too but not sure. Anyways I thought the post was serious . I guess sometimes I have a hard time telling if someone is being serious or joking. As far as the Gooner debate. His reaction did not sit well with me ans I wanted to pressure him a bit to see if I had misread his intentions

god don't lynch this thing ever

VOTE: the goodfather

thanks for having my back EtL. Rawrsome towning

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No, that's your slot giving out game long get out of jail free cards to Majiffy's predecessor.

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And why did you thank EtL for defending you but not mastin who was wayyyyy more vocal about it?

EtL copped way too much flak for it but you are right I also owe Mastin some gratitude. Thanks Mastin !

Is it really just the strength of the defense that is setting you off? I mean I was WAY strong in my push on you and I also called Majiffy my "never lynch" read at one point in the game. Why are these different than what The Goodfather did here? I think its a bit bold for scum to defend a buddy like that; not impossible, but unlikely.

Well it adds to my already sour impression of the slot and I think it's a reasonable play from scum given towns were also writing the slot off as newbtown instead of just newb as you pointed out. You saying "it's a bit bold" is the reason it's not an especially bold play and I think overall scum get less heat for town reading a buddy; here it is easy to pick up fuzzy's newbtells and call them towntells.

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I mean I was WAY strong in my push on you.

Yeah Im glad you're thinking about this; there's only you and Goodfather left from that wagon. The rest flipped town. Im town. There IS scum on that wagon.

Remember how Herself decided to sheep you despite earlier scratching their townread on you?

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Yeah Im glad you're thinking about this; there's only you and Goodfather left from that wagon. The rest flipped town. Im town. There IS scum on that wagon.

Not necessarily? This is a generalization I dislike; I was in a game once where I was mislynched on Day 1 and all 7 people on the wagon were town.

Well I concede that it could be an all town on town wagon; I would lay 19/1 against this being the case. The point you make I see as a reinforcement of my position if there is only one game you were mislynched by an all town wagon. How many times have you been mislynched as town?

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Assuming we get the time unused today back tomorrow, then Nat's switcheroo came at literally the worst possible time and can only be designed to cause town to procrastinate? That being said Im still happy with the Goodfather wagon and Ill happily vote either; skvig can shoot the one we dont lynch. Let's just get our hurry on

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Hey AP what do you think of the early game interactions between G&C and Hannibal?

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Summary of why I think Goodfather is scum

Herself has bad interactions with Hannibal, who actively sought to halt a burgeoning wagon on Herself and who made her "Don't bus people for reads" slip referring to the Herself wagon. (I also feel these early interactions help clarify Mac as town if Herself is scum as he was the main architect of this early Herself wagon)

Herself has bad interactions with FuzzyLogic giving him a pass as "derptown" and even going so far as to say "dont ever lynch this" Now this is an easy play for a buddy to get away with because it's so easy for silliness to get written off like this and if Fuzzy flipped before Herself she has the ready made excuse of "omg I cant read VIs fml" etc This is an excellent trojan horse for scum, a VI assumed to be town as opposed to just a VI can do a lot of damage, possibly even winning the game for the scumteam.

Herself has interacted badly with the early wagon on me, sheeping Ap's less than stellar case despite making pointed references to the fact she had stopped townreading Ap just a few posts before. When I point out this incongruity, she denied it and accused me of deliberately misquoting her.

Meta playstyle differences were pointed out for both heads by different players, not something I can comment on much having only played with each head briefly before but it's there and seems to be the reason for the early suspicion on the slot.

Goodfather's play since replacing has been wonky; including voting people he considers to be town, lots of setup and role spec, no real drive for the hunt. He has a terrible voting record as amply evidenced by AlienBro. His response to being at L-1 twice in a day is LURKITOUT. Even a newbtown with no real idea of how to extricate himself from the situation or further the town agenda still has RIGHTEOUS TOWN FIRE in his belly and Im seeing a distinct lack of anything approaching that.

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I think though that if Goodfather is town that's a good case for Nat town. Anyone follow my thought train here?

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I think though that if Goodfather is town that's a good case for Nat town. Anyone follow my thought train here?

Scratch this; I thought Nati couldve hammered as opposed to unclaiming but checking and he unvoted GF

to

unclaim. My bad

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Im not moving off a scum read that's at l-1, but I'll be there tomorrow with Bells AND whistles on, scout's honour.

it's a bit weird for Mac to say that without even voting for Nat though isnt it?

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How do you feel in general about GF?

What would you highlight as the strongest and weakest parts of the case I make against him?

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Oh, right, final reads!

Null: alienBRO, AngryPidgeon, Brian Skies, displaced, Mac, sthar8, thezmon22

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If I had to guess, we likely have a scum roleblocker remaining. Maybe. I dunno.

Or six goons, but that'd be...insane

. Rather not think about it.

Anyone else worried this might actually be a thing?

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I found something that Thez posted that looks fairly dodge now, I went back and looked at the push away from Herself early doors and found Thez moving on Gooner let me go find it

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Rephrasing, but it is unlikely that I will have followup goven I leave in less than an hour for the airport.

You said this was not Nati's town game. Why does that make you lean scum instead of considering his townplay could be evolving? What standard do you use to look at the two possibilities.

I am not a fan of meta based arguments but I like them to be fleshed out because they show the thought process of the poster and the reactions are useful.

How strong are your bottom two, maybe three, reads?

Not strong.

Okay, thanks.

8 scumreads?
Active = town and inactive/lurky = scum?
Now knowing the game has started = town?
Setup spec is scummy so gnarl is town for setup specing?

+1

Here’s my list, in

no particular order

of strength:
{AP, MastinSSK, G&C, greygnarl, Mac, alienBRO, Brian,

Herself, TFL, Natirasha, Hannibal

}
{Gooner, Matias, GiF}
{Antihero, JS, ika, displaced, PV}

I don’t explain my reads unless you ask for a specific one.

#DealWithIt
#DontWantnaWasteTimeMakingCasesNobodyReads

VOTE: Gooner

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So Ap what do you think about the possibilty of six goons in the setup?

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Also, I don't remember. But didn't Thez have this issue where he said something along the lines of not wanting to lynch Displaced, and then when the deadline came around he was weighing in on the two wagons? It could have been him struggling with the contradiction.

QFT.

Also on day two Thez dropped the townread on me with no actual reasoning, instead he wrote a silly metaphor. Also he did the "omg my reads this game " thing

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the odds of a scum counter wagoning scum

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

The two scenarios have to be (or appear to be) equally likely. This isnt the case. It's not WIFOM

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Sebastian Arlington, 2006 Triumph Daytona 675, VT

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hmm I share the AP paranoia Mac but I think Im gettiing past it. I went back over yourself/Herself last night and it just reinforces what I felt about you pre-GF flip.

we can mason, but can you firm your read up on me from "sorta think" to "yeah you're unlynchable" ? then we can mason. alienBRO are meh; I didn't like 686 and there seems to be very little insight coming from him which I associate more with his scum game than his town game.

Well I would most certainly scream and shout if people tried to lynch you right now. I had you as meh-town and after reading ISOs and reflecting on recent posts, I've been liking you even more. But I am a little hesitant to hand out obvtown reads right now since my one on Mastin is slipping : P

But ya, Mollie is not really being assertive or paranoid like I'm used to. Her quip with you about "omg I can't do this on the defensive" felt pretty weak. Desperado is definitely doing the lifting and my gut isn't particularly in tune with what he is doing.

I feel better about you in part because I think they are scummy and your pressure on them definitely does not feel scum/scum to me (unlike my suspicions about Herself/TFL/Gooner)

I like your point for Gooner-Town, it occurred to me as well although I still find him a little suspicious. Maybe I'll get over it. His vote is legit anyways. Also his posting style made me lean lightly town. Im trying to place exactly what I didn't like about him...tbhI think Herself voting him immediately was a big reason (bus him, to make him look good?, maybe CW against themselves/fuzzy to spit votes?) but that comes down to Herself being scum. I think he also is pretty self aware and tries to make his reasoning for everything very plain; overly so. It feels off, but could be from town I guess. Anyways, Herself is a much better vote since I find Mollie scummy on her own accord.

^ AP there in your own words is why Mac is town.

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Now I like the post by AP above particularly the differentiation between the read on Mac/Herself interactions and those between TFL/Herself/Gooner interactions. In another p[ost AP even remarks something like "Why must my scumreads bus each other?" Which is pretty on point with what was going down on day one and probably caused a lot of AP's indecision, which in turn caused the paranoia in me to brew.

Now looking back at some of Herself's other posts (ones that I took issue with day one) #804, #805

don't even know what to say at this point.

the meta read on me is shit. <---- complete and utter shit

desp and I are in IRL friends so I am not going to trash my hydra partner but I blame him for us being in this predicament.

arc was site flaking <--- fuck yeah I am going to jump on the person who jumps on her. people who do not know her consider low hanging fruit and think she is lynch fodder. however she is some1 that I like to give space to and sort her out through her reads list as the game progresses.

I interacted with thezzly <----leaning mebbe town on him look at how he responded

I still say mac is town and I know where he is coming from but the thing is I give out a lot of reads early (mac knows this as well as anybody who has ever played with me) and desp was riding on that confidence. I AGREED WITH THE LIST AT THE TIME AND SAW WHERE HE WAS COMING FROM

lost my town read on ap and it makes me want to cry

we are not the best lynch for today you dummies GODDAMN

I see the AtE/manipulation here as scum trying to deflect town focus and again similar in #806

angelicap - null read on arc then I thought yaye ap is town but his vote on us is pretty shitty. I would like to think he would not do this in 2 games where he tries to scumroll me but what the fuck he of all people should know that I will sometimes take a backseat in my hydra and why the fuck is he not going after mac for that horrible horrible reasoning and why is he letting etl slide on a weak meta read?

This especially looks like Mollie AtE'g a townie she is fearful of and trying to deflect his focus onto others.

mac - no words. I am not going to yell at you or call you names I will simply wait for your apology. your read on us is wrong and that is all there is to it.

again similar story, the implied "change your read and we can be friends again" reads like scum appealing to town

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yeah I think everyone else has something going for them townwise and I started on thez's iso and Im instantly reminded I didnt like him early on (aggresive defence of greygnarl)

I havent looked in depth at stahr8 or brian but I have strong gut feelings they are both town. I really liked brian's catch up over day two and since. starh is town because grey was ptown and his conviction overall is believable (when arguing against nati's lynch and for it he definitely believed in what he was arguing). Also part of the meta difference I mentioned against GF was when star asked desperado "where's the flenseing of the suspects?" So townpoint for metacatch.

I think Brian's point against Thez that he was always moving to scum counterwagons will hold, already shown him moving to Gooner when Herself's wagon had momentum. I will look into that next.

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1) Helped quicklynch Natirasha yesterday to save us time
2) Not quickhammer displaced D1.

1. Nati had claimed scum so you dont get any credit here
2. It wouldnt have been a quickhammer? You're kinda stretching here

It's too bad I'm not noob scum and thus am actually capable of bussing other scum when I am scum. You're giving me far less credit than I deserve for my mafia aptitude. The plain fact is that my reads have been shit all game, and I haven't really been able to get into a groove, whatever the reason.

FTR I dont give any value to this kind of defence, it's inherently weak and reminds me of the things I say when I'm cornered scum

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Hmm yeah thats nice an all, I seem to remember you saying Beetlejuicing wasnt an alignment tell tho'?

Plus can you add in for my town pants "has had really boss reads the whole game" please? I mean Im finding it kinda weird given what's played out that Im not an obvtown read for everyone but I can :dealwithit:

I do sorta like the first point against BS, but can see why he would call it out and there is the whole Majiffy buddying issue but I see that as too grounded in wifom to give it too much credit.

I dislike your point for theztown as it seems you've done this quite a bit in this game (Focus in on one specific detail and assign it too much value as a tell one way or the other; see your 180 on Herself for eg)

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Ya, but your sudden activity now that its endgame and likely can't coast off the D1 wagon thing is weird.

It wasnt just day one? Anyway Im by this site's standards a low volume poster, I dont think this will change. What I do is post when I can, when I feel I have something to contribute. My confidence was shattered day one after the heavy wagoning I had gotten and I honestly felt anything I wouldve said wouldve made the situation worse. Other periods of 'lurking' can simply be attributed to IRL stuffs

I'd have to look. I know you suspected Majiffy (expected). I vaguely recall you being on Goodfather a lot?

Well yeah I came out of day one with a scumread lynched and deep misgivings about Herself/GF. Majiffy I wasnt totally sure as I was thinking it was an either/or between you and he and his day one impetus actually seemed pretty town. As that impetus just faded in later days the Majiffy scumread strengthened. Nati also made it into my scumlist by day three I think, mainly due to having P5 down as a strong townread and liking his case against him and the whole scum not killing/blocking him thing.

There were more things than just that. Hannibal calling Thezmon towntowntown at the end of the Day felt a bit much to be scum/scum. Shes drawing attention to him; why connect yourself so hard?
The waffling on the wagons and flipflop was a bit sudden. If you really are town. Thezmon was right in the spotlight for various reasons

Which could explain why he, as scum, would just lurk the day out.

I dunno I just think scum that townread their buddies actually get off more lightly in general, bussing is not without it's own risks and can be botched and Titus had just come out of Faraday's asoiaf upick where this tactic had paid dividends for the scumteam there.

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Also Mac is almost definitely town, and the last scum is like 90% Thez, with a 10% shot of AP because I wouldn't put it past him to outplay me.

Your read is way off. I'm as town as they come.

Or maybe you're Nati's buddy?

VOTE: Natirasha

Does this post really come from someone who is going to kill of alienBRO anyways?

LETS MAXIMIZE HOW SUSPICIOUS MY SCUM NK WILL BE FOR ME!!

I mean maybe, but wow.

Now this IS wifom. Scumthez could just not want to have to deal with BRO's focus being on him and hope someone makes the above argument for him.

If I had to vote now it would be AP/thez, the latter being my first choice I think. Still not got an obvtownread on anyone else though, either :/

Can someone else tell me why I find the phrasing weird here?

Would like someone to work with me for a sec.

I dunno I agree mostly, the only thing I think strange is not having me as obvtown

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Also I went through Thez's iso last night and while its not the goldmine I was hoping for I feel there is enough there for him to be priority one. Cant really go in depth now but I will when Im back home

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Yeah I just think it was as PA called it, flail. An impulsive reaction to unexpectedly being focused on, one made without much thought in a pressure situation.

pedit yah Brian. As I went through Thez turns out Mastin was quick to take issue with that read list(specifically the second half where all the scum were, so really decent catch by mastin I think) and Thez immediately appeased Mastin by moving Nat into his scum pile

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AP I see where you are coming from wrt Sthar, but I kinda feel Majiffy was really eager to pick up the baton on EtL's metapoint against SThar and feel that could also be the reason for the EtL kill?

Of course this sword cuts both ways.

I remain uinconvinced by Thez, he seems only motivated to defend himself and I cant recall much (anything) that he originated that has helped the town. His major input to the game remains the circlejerk argument between Greygnarl, Mathias and himself that began on page one or two.

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I run a lot of associative tells after mafia have flipped to find more mafia.

Why havent you done any of this Thez?

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OK in a n effort to not have to make a huge case aginst Thez, how about this... He messed up his claim. Surprised no one spotted it.

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Minnie Wright, Kawasaki Concours 14 ABS from

2014

, VT.

Dont think the mod wouldve given out motorbikes from the future do you?

VOTE: thez

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Urk Mastin had a 2014 'bike fuck fuck. Guess I have to do some work afterall

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Urk Mastin had a 2014 'bike fuck fuck. Guess I have to do some work afterall

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Yeah I thought I found something golden but really laziness was the true motivator ... oh well

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I run a lot of associative tells after mafia have flipped to find more mafia.

Why havent you done any of this Thez?

Says who? The person who can magically read my mind?

No, says the person who has read the thread. You said "When Im town I do *this* if *that* happens". *This* remains undone even though *that* has happened multiple times.

You havent done what you said you would do if you were town.

You arent town.

I also have some issue with how you have presented the VCA from day one, mostly the idea Hannibal is getting ""wagonhappy" with you. If this is so why did he bail out of your wagon so fast?

Who are you to decide what someone can or cannot talk about? Stating the obvious opportunism is fine, but we want players to talk. This is an attempt to artificially keep the focus on grey. This stinks worse than reads forcing.


VOTE: zmon

Now this does look defensive of GG I will give you that but his hop off post kinda counters that

zmon, we have not played together, unless you are an alt. Moonlogic is going off the reservation making people scratch their heads I believe.

Nope, not an alt. I just don't play a lot of mafiascum games. Stick to offsite mostly.

Zmon, just because you felt nothing was useful doesn't mean that nothing was. People play in different manners. It is better to let people talk. If you get stuck, "useless" posts can also be a datamine or they help you get into player's heads. Unless the post is not in English, suppose the post has a point.

Are you referring to gnarl's posts? If so, my conundrum is that he has said MULTIPLE times "address the points against you," or something similar to that. However, he has been vague as can be, which means that he's making an empty threat, because I am fairly sure that I HAVE addressed the points against me. Apart from that comment, which he has repeated at least twice, he has not done anything other than his vote on me and call me offbase.

Ok. I can see the possibility of zmon town with these posts.

If that happens and there's no followup or linkage, then that's strong evidence of scum. However, now that you've told him to shut up, there is no way of looking into that further. You effectively torpedoed the ability for the rest of the group to see greygnarl as scum by telling him to shut up. Now, because you've asked him to shut up, that means he may logically feel that following up is waste of time. Be very careful with how and when you tell people to shut up.

Where do you usually play? Do you have recent meta?

VOTE: Grey and Crimson

These seem really not great reasons to give you town credits and the whole gist of the commentary on telling GG to shut up reads kinda coach-y. "Don't tell people to shut up when they are digging their own grave"

Now Herself also finds reason to vote you and hop off agin fairly quickly, again in a way that looks kinda coach-y

Hi mollie.

hi thez. do you want to take a stab as to why I am voting you?

thezzly I wold not be asking you if you got it right the first time.

the backpedal looked awkward

Herself quickly hops off (one of her next few posts about 100posts later) to OMGUS mac.

Also you miss the mini Nati and Herself wagons that bloom and die pretty fast; only focusing on them later when they are more significant. This is important because it adds weight to the question:

" Given there are several wagons of varying strengths on scum throughout day one, why do you never become a viable counterwagon?"

This is especially relevant given there is a springboard available of two players awaiting replacement who are vote parked on your wagon (Mathias, Greygnarl)

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I really don't think it is mac though

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Guys just a heads up, the last Street Racers game had two maf teams of 4 in a 25 player game. That's a lot of scum and there were very few power roles. We only have 20 playing, but a 3/3 or 3/2 scumteam split is still a possibility. Just know that we might be playing multiball.

yaye! we are still here!

VOTE: mastinassk

VOTE: Herself

Any reason you're trying to move us back to RVS? I don't see a good one.

@Hydras can you just hang out in your qts and not sign posts?

OK but I see the way the Herself read progressed as being really natural, hence town? IDK maybe Mac is good at faking that kinda stuff as scum? Without any meta reference point of my own I can't really conclude anything but town however.

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Im still not able to see past Thez and his "sheep all the scum cases on townies and pooh pooh all the town cases on scum"

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The gooner vote sticks out in particular because I quoted it before and you have sinced quoted it too the one with the scum all together in the latter half of the town pile

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The gooner vote sticks out in particular because I quoted it before and you have sinced quoted it too the one with the scum all together in the latter half of the town pile

there was also p5's case on Nat which he couldnt back despite mainly agreeing with it

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If I wanted to share my reads, I would have shared them when Wake first asked me. You don't need to know my reads yet. All in due time, Matias. All in due time.

transparency is generally a good thing to have as a townie (though not always, might I add), so knowing I have someone who's willing to work with me is a plus. Were I to think someone is town, and they decide to be stubborn, they're pretty useless to me. I can't work with them and we can't hunt scum together. But if they're willing to work with me, discuss with me, then we have something going and we have more strength in numbers. It allows me to develop a better read on them too as I get more personal with players inside the specific game.

Hmmm oh yes and from the first street racer game when Thez was scum:

So let me get this straight... Because I don't so readily give up all of my reads to you, I'm obvscum? I have formulated my opinions, I just don't readily share them with people because I'm not a book that you just read. I like to keep some things to myself.

VOTE: thez

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Not gonna lie, but I feel if people looked more at Herself's interactions with me, they'd see they were appealing to me to lay off them, particularly mollie. That should tell you I'm town, but I guess it depends of whether you want to believe it or not, huh.

Mac I have looked at this and reached that conclusion. However Herself also played the same card on AP, perhaps even moreso than you.

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AP put the pipe down

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It *is* in vote tags

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QFT. I didn't say that. I said he's scummy for his awful votes. One of them happened to be on me.

anyway one of greygnarls votes was good

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yaye! we are still here!

VOTE: mastinassk

VOTE: Herself

Any reason you're trying to move us back to RVS? I don't see a good one.

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Oh AP was right about Thezmons alignment.

How did I get so good at this gsme?

Well throw enough darts ...

but still Im a lil weided out by the "drunkposts"

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*weirded

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enjoy this [boat]np lynch [/bpat]

hue hhue hue

specifically this one

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are you still on the sauce or have you slept?

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How could I not vote Thez after he pulled the same "Im not an open book" routine in the last game street racer game where he was scum as he did here?

AP and stahr both online but went without trying to squeeze some last drops out of the day?

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I know this wasn't addressed to me,

but I find a nonzero chance of Hannibal & Wake being scum

, moreso Hannibal than Wake.

What is the point of this statement?

desp came away with 10 townreads from the first 12(?) pages or something ridiculous. 10!!!!! and ZERO scumreads. i come away with barely 10 by the end of day one, let alone 12 pages.

How does your play-style have anything to do with his?

it felt cheap, and

it felt like he was going with the flow

. im used to desp being not afraid to question people or stick his neck on the line to gain a read, no matter what. it didnt feel right.

I can see this logic coming from a town mindset, especially regarding Desp. Can't elaborate on my reasoning because of rules, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here.

Alright I'm here. First few pages were all fluff, except for accusations on grey for speculating the setup, which was a completely lost case in my opinion. Anything I should be reading/noticing?

VOTE: SonOfZeus

I like this vote. Might sheep later because even though I agree the setup spec argument was a lost cause and the game has been moving a little slowly, other things have been happening, and stating everything as fluff is not a town thought. The join date has me conflicted.

are people seeing my issues with herself's early posts? because I'm pretty sure I'm being perfectly clear and he's just scum trying to counter by muddying me down. am I right?

Maybe, need to see more to discern. I'm kind of in the same boat as Desp, though.

Fuzzy too.

Why Fuzzy?

I think matias is obvtown

Why is he obvtown?

The question that herself asked seemed like a reaction test, to see how they would respond, but the follow up seemed more of a push. Not sure if that makes sense or not.

?
So the slot is scummy because it made a push?

So maybe AP is right about Brian?

He and Nati do have this weird back and forth going on and the above post looks like misdirection with respect to the Herself slot

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herself is probably scum, hannibal scumflip would totally confirm that for me.

I'm confused. Which one are you scum-reading more? I thought your Hannibal scum-read was dependent on your Herself scum-read, so why are you voting Hannibal?

Similar story to previous quoted post

The same sort of thing lead me to believe that Brian was a scum in that newbie game we played together. It turned out he was a PR instead and upped his activity after he outed. Still, I see your point. I want to sort his slot relatively quickly. I also want to see how you interact with him.

Shoving a PL on the NS slot since his first vote is pretty uninspiring.

I just generally like voting ns (nothing about it is me pushing a PL). He's a tough read for me, but I understand the concern.

Lot of commentary from Brian about how he understands that people are worried he is scum?

Him listing 5 "would not lynch" reads and then keeping his vote on NS gives me pause.

They were just townreads, not "would not lynch reads." But I understand the concern regarding my terrible voting patterns (as well as other stupid shit I do that I need to stop doing).

Pretty self concious, more concerned with what he shouldnt be doing not what he should be doing aka scum mindset

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Can we lynch Nati please? The alternative is no lynch.

So I wake up today, and this dolt is pushing through a false deadline lynch. We still have like 48 hours.

AP is town

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Scum (not in order)
Nati: I don't like the way he dances around his Hannibal scum-read and pursues wagons around it (AA, herself, etc). Hannibal returns the favor in #584, but tries to move away from it in #618 and #645.
Thez: Mostly based on interactions between Hannibal and Thez. The association here is pretty weak, though.
Herself: Can't remember why. Something based on interactions.

Anyhow, I can't really see Thez and Herself being together. But I can see either of them being with Hannibal.

Strange there was never sight nor sound of this after GF flipped scum

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Have you come to realize I'm town yet?

Nope, if anything, I just want to lynch you even more Nati.

Yet does nothing to push this at all? Lol distancing

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Anyhow, I can't really see Thez and Herself being together. But I can see either of them being with Hannibal.

Hmmm this didnt get mentioned again after Herself/GF flip

Pedit- Well, that's interesting. I don't think Brian's done that before :s

Haven't done what before? My favorite color is green by the way. And some of the content related to me in this post makes me think you two are town (I don't really remember much of the other content, I'm a tad conceited).

Why the flip-flop on Mollie?

It bothers me so much the way Hannibal just throws out towncred (it bothers me even more that I'm one of them), and makes me suspicious of her stronger townreads. TFL included. The way she treats TFL as confirmed town in this post, however, gives me pause. Personally, I don't think scum would do that to a buddy.

I am so interested to see what the scum-team decides to do tonight.

Time to help create another

counter-wagon

.

VOTE: Thez

Not surprised at all by Nati's retract. Doesn't mean he's town (not enough time to re-read this game and reevaluate his slot). Still want to lynch between Goodfather/Thez.

Has been calling Nat probscum all game and then when Nat unclaims prefers other candidates?

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VOTE: no lynch

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Hmm what to make of this?

I think it points in a certain direction but will have to look at another player first to be sure

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I second this emoticon

VOTE: Brian

Unless there's a real convincing argument for an intentional no kill, this is the lynch.

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:faceplam:

sigh

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will get to this when Im back from football

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Scum (not in order)
Nati: I don't like the way he dances around his Hannibal scum-read and pursues wagons around it (AA, herself, etc). Hannibal returns the favor in #584, but tries to move away from it in #618 and #645.
Thez: Mostly based on interactions between Hannibal and Thez. The association here is pretty weak, though.
Herself: Can't remember why. Something based on interactions.

Anyhow, I can't really see Thez and Herself being together. But I can see either of them being with Hannibal.

Strange there was never sight nor sound of this after GF flipped scum

This is something that requires an answer

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tbh I thought you had flaked.

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tbh I thought you had flaked.

Still could be IRL issues that caused you to miss the night; you were absent sitewide during the period. MM I guess the same applies t mac

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yeah im here

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I nominate him for investigation. Speaking of, I can easily see his "lolol lynch me" as a ploy to draw investigations away.

I'm definitely good on this. It'd be nice to have him confirmed.

With four goon flips I reckon this is the clincher. Brian probs godfather?

Read Majiffy's ISO: full on Brian defence, like he was doing with Hannibal. Ties in with what Ive been saying about scum buddying scum becoming more prevalent.

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How do you know brian wasn't on during the night?

I was looking in the replacement thread

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I've requested replacement in almost all of my games. This is the only one I've really been paying attention to.

well I know that's not the whole truth

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I agree we cannot go into specifics and I wont pursue this line further.

So how bout that torch Majiffy was carrying for you?

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Can't really defend myself from scum white-knighting me.

but the only other player Majiffy white knighted was Hannibal. Majiffy is a meta aware player and bussing is becoming less effective whilst scum on scum buddying is becoming more prevalent. That ASOIAF upick I mentioned to AP? Here's some stuff from the mafia QT from Cephrir:

I want to hard defend a scumbuddy to look town later (funny how that works) but I can't cause yall arent towning

jegus titus stop bussing

people bus so much more than they have any reason to, i dont get it

the bussing for no reason pile doesnt stop from gettin taller

lets throw the whole game away while we're at it

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I dont mind no lynching again. Im not voting for anyone but Brian today

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We're not there yet, but so it's public, I'm calling it a draw after three day/night cycles without a lynch or attempted kill.

Why? Scum should just lose

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sorry been v/la due tomy daughter's birthday. I shouldve mentioned it

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OK so i went back into Greygnarl (sthar8's predecessor) I thought he was p town but I also thought something sketch was coming from the GG/Mathias/Thez convo and the others are dead town so...

get an avatar or policy lynch yourself

This is kinda a dumb thing, I guess it's a null statement but it's 'negatively null' if there's such a thing

Crimson can we please not play he tunneling game, all it does is distract people and cause people to not trust you.

This really sticks out on reread, since GiF said something similar which made me think town, but they way this is phrased makes me think GG was speaking to G&C from an informed perspective. (That GG already 'trusts' G&C is implicit given the phrasing)

Wake your posts are so manufactured.

Then put your vote where your mouth is, and make your case.

VOTE: Wake

Holy fuck are you confrontational. Notice how I did not say you were scum, or scummy, I just said that your play was manufactured. That's not a scumtell for you from what I can tell, and I was just pointing out, hoping maybe you would change. Pretty sketchy that you assume I'm attacking you and go into hiding.

For manufacturedness, you seem to act like you're hot shit asking specific people for reads, I hate this, it's what town blockers do, and I don't know why you think you're part of a townblock here, are they your scumbuddies?

This just seems really scummy now looking back. "Im voting you although Im not saying you are scum and the points I have against you are playstyle related which I dont consider alignment indicative" The tacked on "are they your scumbuddies" just feels shoehorned in

ooh wagon

This is in response to the burgeoning Herself wagon. Now earlier GG had voted Herself (and that vote had for a long time formed the basis of my thinking GG was town)
but now faced with an actual wagon he gets cold feet with going beyond some mild cheerleading.

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Well you did also say something that kinda ponged of buddying too, Brian. ("Your play there was astounding and you fully deserve credit etc")

Still since we have some time I'll add that I picked up that sthar also wanted you investigated as well as Majiffy, which piqued my interest a little.

Also all of sthar's original suspicion is directed at townies, apart from Hannibal, who he has suspicion of right out the gate. I think this is more indicative of distancing/bus because even if Hannibal had made it through day one and I had been lynched in her stead, Hannibal would still have been lynched at a later date. Seems to me this would be obvious groundwork to lay replacing into a scum slot.

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GG everyone, sorry for some unavoidable absence in the endgame there, I'd like to think Brian and I would've hammered it out earlier if that wasnt the case.

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Sthar trying to apathize the town I imagine

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Yeah I find Ap's comment on AlienBRO to be more than a little ironic

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BRO you were a boss!

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You had your chance !!

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Burden of proficiency is a completely valid scum hunting tool.

:nod:

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Yup. Strong but lurky players in endgame means I shouldn't give away any information. And Brian, I don't see how it's the scum's responsibility to break a cycle of correct play that ends in no actions.

I kinda agree but as soon as the mod says if theres no kill in the next cycle it's a tied game, aren't you forced into shooting by "play to win"?

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Can we get a scum QT?

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OH yeah its in the role pm's...

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Which is what happened. Of course, the question is why the scum is forced to play to win but the town isn't.

Town assume scum must play to win and the last ball is always in the scum court

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I think I was sheeping BRO

/hides

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I read in another thread that he was under the impression he was posting securely offsite so might just be unlucky rather than an ass?