Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Is it because you're a Serial Killer.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

You're scum?

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'm honestly going to hop on any wagon that doesn't lynch GCBC! :3

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Thing is Varsoon was scumreading GCBC hence the claim. Trying to kill GCBC -> Redirecting a supposedly obvious kill towards a scumread. Both of them were at each other's throats during day 1.

The intention wasn't to send it to a bulletproof, the intention was to send it to someone he didn't like in the game.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

or.. Cabd and Varsoon might be staging the biggest and baddest bus on this website.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Is this Saki wagon a thing, please be a thing.

Also in my homesite as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end. I honestly don't understand what Jaqen is doing right now. He's tunneling so hard that I don't think he has a point in his votes anymore.

This tunnel vision has to stop considering most if not all of his reads just led up to useless distractions that sidetracked from the main ones and ended up not being useful for town at all.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

If GCBC ends up being scum I'll personally bend over and spread my legs apart because he fucked with me and my entire read on him.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Okay Jaqen, let's see here

My first impulse was to call pie a scumbutt for #617, but I've seriously mellowed on that. If that's what he was going for with his "I'ma take a break" post then he succeeded. I don't like his vote on you but it has an undertone of honesty to the level of certainty he seems to have about it (not much). Maybe I see #652 coming from someone who isn't concerned about letting down a scumteam (because he isn't on one). Weak town now.

I'll reevaluate him/kagami/muffin if we're alive

after you guys flip since all three attempted to kick the wagon on you guys up to 11 in a very short amount of time and what you guys flip will depend how I would look at that.

That was them crumbing that they're going to look back into the reads, pay attention on how they went from their reads from the previous day into wanting to push the lynch super hard on Muffin. Explain what could

possibly

get them to transition from one to the other. (In case you don't know that answer it's an investigation)

[Katarina LeBlanc]

What if he only claimed because the supposed investigatory role died..

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I mean this is horrible paranoia but what if GCBC only claimed when the 2-Shot Mason Rolecop girl was killed n1. Nothing could verify whether or not he was telling the truth.

Ignore this, paranoid me is very bad

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Regardless of what happens I'd much rather prefer a bubba or Saki lynch today then. Muffin and GCBC can wait till tomorrow I hope.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Oooh someone's mad, but okay I'll bite

vote Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Regardless of what happens I'd much rather prefer a bubba or Saki lynch today then. Muffin and GCBC can wait till tomorrow I hope.

The only lynches which should be considered are GCBC and Muffin. Truly. Saki gives nothing to work off of. Bubba gives nothing to work off of. They're both just random lych targets that avoid the tough choice. If we flip Muffin, and he's town, GCBC is most certainly scum. If Muffin flips scum, GCBC is most definitely town. And vice versa to a certain extent.

What do you get from a Saki flip?

Likewise bubba?

Saki wagon was a gut read adding on to that I really don't think GCBC lynch is good today.

Thank you for speaking plain english.

Anyways, I don't see how this is a tough choice at all. I can see the outcome of the flips and I can say I'm more confident in lynching Muffin over GCBC today.

Lynch either the claimed Bulletproof or the claimed 0-shots left Tracker who already outed his results (bad ones at that). At this point, time is running out and if you want to weigh pros and cons on whose flip you want to risk then I think the choice is obvious.

I have considered town versus town, but that's a completely different story. I don't have the time nor patience to read back on these 200 pages to look for something that says so.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VC 3.17

zMuffinMan (L-4):

pieguyn | Mac | bubbajack8 | Katarina LeBlanc

GoodCop_BadCop (L-2):

ActionDan | Saki | Kagami | Jaqen Hghar | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan | Varsoon

ActionDan (L-8):

Kise

Saki (L-6):

GoodCop_BadCop | Sakura Hana | dramonic

Not Voting:

Nachomamma8

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.

The deadline is February 11, 3:30 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-02-11 15:30:00)

[Katarina LeBlanc]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dramonic

Unvote
Vote: dram

That Kagami-Sakura vote pinged me so badly huhu ;_;

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Why Dramonic wagon over Saki wagon, Kagami?

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Dramonic

Alright.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Well.

No one wants to lynch either bubba or muffin.
I certainly don't want to lynch GCBC.
I'm too tired repeat/case up on anyone else.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Bubba do you still have a grasp of what you're talking about.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Kagami, who redirected you and why are you saying this just now

[Katarina LeBlanc]

KAGAMI ;_;

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Why am I null to everybody.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Muffin's avatar looks highly suspicious. VOTE: Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wasn't Mac the bodyguard? Why wasn't Kagami protected. She was the most conf town around :v

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Oh Macho, nevermind then I'm silly.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I just kind of want to lynch out Muffin right now and stuff so if my vote isn't on him then it should be. I've been vomiting all morning and just lost another game because my hydrafren didn't follow my advice and did stuff without me so.

Blegh.

dedkatpost.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

You know, I admit that I sidetracked a bit during the previous day and wasn't really contributing but I'm pretty sure muffin should be the only one we should lynch today.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

GCBC hardcore bussing Muffin? Is that even a thing

[Katarina LeBlanc]

So is Bubba the PGO Serial Killer

VOTE: Bubby

[Katarina LeBlanc]

If the Muffin wagon happens I'm definitely jumping ship though.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

IC rolecopped him - got SK

A man is less than confident about those results as noted previously. The amount of frustration from bubba causes more doubt.

You copped him.

Why are you doubting it, unless you just flatout lied about it.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Hi notscience I thought we agreed that we had no relation outside of our

business

.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

IC rolecopped him - got SK

A man is less than confident about those results as noted previously. The amount of frustration from bubba causes more doubt.

You copped him.

Why are you doubting it, unless you just flatout lied about it.

A man sees how roles can be messed with this game. It would be oh so clever to give a man a gift so he could let know someone was guilty, only to have had those results somehow manipulated. A man takes such a gift with a grain of salt.

So the Kise is scum inventor giving out flawed gifts?

That's actually a possibility.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

It's okay baby, I like it when you break the rules.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

haha Cabd pokemonfag

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Onee-chan~ you guys forgot One-shot Oracle!!

also let's hammer

Unvote

VOTE: Bubba

sorry Bubby. Your efforts were valiant but rest in peace.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wait, how exactly did Jaqen get the cop thing he has on Bubba.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I don't think scum motivator would boost up the Lush hydra though :v

Unless scum don't have any viable targets which I

highly

doubt.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wait, how exactly did Jaqen get the cop thing he has on Bubba.

Doesn't matter, you killed him, move on.

Don't guilt me if he flips anything else I'm just silly little sheep at this point.

Plus, I know you're very observative about these things so I'm just trusting your judgement.

P-edit: How are you sure he missed his kill and not the MAFIA

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Where is the flip yo

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Fakehammer failed :c

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I think the plan of lynching Bubba then lynching Muffin is nice.


If neither of them flip the way they're expected to,

then

we can finally start suspecting.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Or geniuses when their theories are proven correct

you also think i'm scum with AD? or...?

I think you're scum.

The only suspicion I have on AD is supermegakawaii-bus-desu so that he can start defending you with a hint of towncred. That's solely based on your flip though.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Also as much as you try to defend yourself Muffin, unless anything claim-based occurs that would clean you then you're still very much going to be lynched!

[Katarina LeBlanc]

you and bubba have been pushing that angle and ignoring people who point out that you're wrong

and i don't think i've seen a legitimate reason for the suspicion from either of you outside of that

Your defense is how improbable the inspection was.

I hate to parttake in the follow the cop mentality but I'd much rather go through this entire game without the lingering doubt we just flat out disregarded potential crumbs from the cop.

I still want to lynch bubba though right now. The SK guilty prioritizes all over that which I don't really feel like objecting to because spectulation leads to paranoia and lack of substance for my take on the read so I'm just waiting for flips.

I am just one vote, but you're not going to be moving this any time soon!

[Katarina LeBlanc]

IC rolecopped him - got SK

A man is less than confident about those results as noted previously. The amount of frustration from bubba causes more doubt.

You copped him.

Why are you doubting it, unless you just

flatout lied about it.

I knew, but I was looking into what you were trying to achieve. You said you were given something that night, but I highly doubt you could've used it the same night.That's why I tried a fakehammer gambit to speed things up. It was ignored.. but still.

VOTE: Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'd much rather go through this entire game without the lingering doubt we just flat out disregarded potential crumbs from the cop

that wouldn't be an issue if people who are actually scum were lynched -

it's also incredibly lazy

because you're basically saying you're not going to hunt scum til after i'm lynched

Pretty much.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

It would actually look bad on a boy for muffin to flip town.

How would it look bad for trusting cop crumbs?

I guess the lack of paranoia and pursuing the

obvious

thing makes someone seem scummy now?

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Well I do admit that I've not been liking bubba ever since day 1, so not really questioning to why he'd look scummy but why anyone else entertaining the wagon is. Assuming it pushes through and flips otherwise.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Under what basis.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Under what basis.

Himself. He's scummy.

There's a difference between claiming he's scummy and actually pointing out scum intended things he's done.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I thought you were referring to Bubba, not GCBC.

Your 'a boy' crap is a bit misleading. I'll read over that in a bit so just hold your horses.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I liked his Day 1 posts and townread him from there.

His Day 2 came super strong early (lol) and idk.

As an SK though it completely changes things.

I'm easily deceived by AtE's.

It's my weakness Q_Q

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I liked his Day 1 posts and townread him from there.

His Day 2 came super strong early (lol) and idk.

As an SK though it completely changes things.

I'm easily deceived by AtE's.

It's my weakness Q_Q

I liked nonon better, no 'fense. but yeah go back and read kagami's explanations, I can't be SK. I can only be groupscum (I'm not) or town.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDhTpBNouk[/video]

Why don't you like my new one? :3

Anyways, remembering now, you contributed nill to the flash counterwagons both days. Nothing is preventing you from being groupscum at all.

This isn't multiball as well, so where does that leave you.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

wow how to link

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I don't know if it's me killing all the games I join in or just the natural way a mafia game expires

[Katarina LeBlanc]

guys in this game im not scum

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Sakura and Hannah are both town

they are also the same person. Vote cabd

heh

[Katarina LeBlanc]

shit where'd the posts go yo

[Katarina LeBlanc]

desu

[Katarina LeBlanc]

D-dont forget me!

We should have a mass prod

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Why is GCBC wagon full steam Q_Q

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wow Sakura, we seem like his obsessed female harem.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

vote Bubba

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wait, why are we not lynching the highly possible bubba SK?

One, Varsoon annoys the crap out of me and from all the games I've been with him I just couldn't read him at all. He just goes in a state where I don't want to lynch him but I'm most certainly not going to take his side when it comes down to a split vote.

I've been pretty confident with my read that GCBC is town, if I'm wrong then I do have to rethink the people I've been scumreading and actually press the ISO button on someone but for now the only person I will have no problems in lynching today is Bubba.

The order of how I want to vote people within the game is
- Bubba (just make him not exist anymore, please)
- Saki
- Muffin
- Varsoon

then just go dilly dally with whomever.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

shut the fuck up with suggestions to lynch bubba

unvote

What are you gonna do about it?

Unless you give us some game breaking information that the guy who crumbed activated day bomb and overextended his reaction with Jaqen's SK cop gambit. (which was super easy to pick up on, mind you) then I'll have no problems with just going crazy with the lynch.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Varsoon did you really just claim something that would make me lynch you.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Oh my fucking god, Muffin is scum.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

If so a vigkill on Serene was possible.

And something catches a man's eye. Why Serene? Did a man miss where scum claimed to have killed Kaze? Please, point this claim out to a man so it can be put to a quick death.

Kaze initiated Gaiden wagon. Why are you desperately trying to over complicate things. I'm sorry but really? Take into account the information I forwarded and the nature of kills.

This isn't multi ball, so only a vigkill would be the plausible explanation for Serene's death (in my eyes at least)
Vig would have no reason to kill Kaze unless he was completely incompenent which I don't expect from this site.

I was reading back because something about the day 1 kills were odd.

VOTE: Varsoon

you need your head checked if you think i'm scum

Yet I can just see you panicking in your daychat right now

oh, right, you don't have that anymore

p-edit: totes PR

The reason Lush hydra didn't openly state that they were cop was because they received the boost from Nacho (The one that doubles the power you're given). Of course they wouldn't claim at that point and crumb the best of their power, they got a guilty and crumbed it so that regardless of what happens we have caught scum. Just that one interaction early in day 2 meant that Muffin was PR'd. I just only thought of this now because my laziness disappeared magically. So right, Muffin -scum back on wagon. Also, the reason Lush didn't out it immediately was because if they low just for one night (which they unfortunately didn't do) they would've had a double inspect the next. High risk, high reward. They bit the bullet but left us with Muffin scum.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Hey Muffin, the lack of your caps makes it seem like I've caught on to you and you're planning on killing me tonight.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I buy the oracle claim, but vig seems impossible. Kaze was almost certainly the nightkill, and serene makes no sense as a vig kill.

I think the bad girls got an extra nightkill.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Spoiler: A Play by Play - Voting Patterns Re: Varsoon and Gaiden.

@ 3 Days 11Hrs Remaining

#2035 - Varsoon wagon takes off from L-7 with Lush's vote.
#2039 - Mac's Varsoon Vote - L-6
#2045 - Pie's Varsoon Vote - L-5 - At this point, Varsoon is the lead wagon with a lot of support, closest wagon is L-8 (Gaiden and GCBC).

#2057 - Varsoon's Self-Vote.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Lush Life | Mac | pieguyn | Varsoon) -

L-4

#2081 - Kagami's vote and counter push on Gaiden.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | bubbajack8 | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami) -

L-7

#2096 - Lush gets OFF Varsoon, and onto Bubba.

(

Bubba

- Messiah Complex | Kise | Lush Life) -

L-8

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | Varsoon) -

L-5

#2129 - Gaiden votes Bubba

(

Bubba

- Messiah Complex | Kise | Lush Life | Gaiden) -

L-7

#2131 - Tsukasa votes Bubba, defends Gaiden and pushes Bubba to lead wagon over Gaiden

(

Bubba

- Messiah Complex | Kise | Lush Life | Gaiden | Tsukasa) -

L-6

#2137 - GCBC votes Varsoon.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | Varsoon | GCBC) -

L-4

#2144 - Bubba hops OFF Gaiden, onto Kise.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami) -

L-8

#2153 - Lush votes Varsoon to get off Bubba

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | Varsoon | GCBC | Lush Life) -

L-3

#2154 - CoK votes Varsoon

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | Varsoon | GCBC | Lush Life | CoK) -

L-2

#2158 - Varsoon hops OFF Varsoon, onto Dram.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | Serene | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | GCBC | Lush Life | CoK) -

L-3

#2176 - Serene hops OFF Varsoon, onto CoK.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | GCBC | Lush Life | CoK) -

L-4

@ 2 Days 3 Hrs Remaining

#2227 - Messiah hops OFF Bubba and votes Gaiden to put Gaiden equal to a Bubba counter.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah) -

L-7

#2228 - Varsoon votes Gaiden.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah | Varsoon) -

L-6

#2235 - Jaqen votes Varsoon.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | GCBC | Lush Life | CoK | Jaqen) -

L-3

#2242 - Muffin votes Gaiden.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah | Varsoon | Muffin) -

L-5

#2246 - Bubba votes Gaiden.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah | Varsoon | Muffin | Bubba) -

L-4

#2277 - Lush Life unvotes Varsoon to tie Gaiden and Varsoon wagons.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | GCBC | CoK | Jaqen) -

L-4

#2286 - Pie hops OFF Varsoon onto Dan.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | GCBC | CoK | Jaqen) -

L-5

@ 26 Hrs Remaining

#2301 - Lush Life Votes Varsoon to tie up the wagons.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | GCBC | CoK | Jaqen | Lush Life) -

L-4

#2324 - Serene votes Gaiden to push Gaiden in the lead.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah | Varsoon | Muffin | Bubba | Serene) -

L-3

#2325 - Varsoon votes himself, leaving the Gaiden wagon and tying them up.

(

Varsoon

- ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | pieguyn | GCBC | CoK | Jaqen | Lush Life | Varsoon) -

L-3

#2406 - Saki votes Gaiden, pushing Gaiden to the lead and lynch.

(

Gaiden

- Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah | Varsoon | Muffin | Bubba | Serene | Saki) -

L-2

Key Points:

Varsoon becomes the lead lynch-wagon with about 3 ish days remaining until deadline voted by Lush, Mac, Pie, Varsoon, and GCBC.
Kagami pushes a counter to Varsoon on Gaiden.
Lush, Gaiden, and Tsukasa push a counter to Varsoon on Bubba. Bubba reaches L-6 to Gaidens L-7. Varsoon gets as low as L-2.

Gaiden becomes a lynch-contender with about 2 ish days remeaining. Voting are Messiah, Varsoon, Muffin, and Bubba.
Gaiden and Varsoon would end up in a tie with Lush's unvote on Varsoon.

With about 26 hours to go and both wagons tied up, Serene breaks the tie in favor of Gaiden, while Varsoon brings the vote back to a tie with a self vote. Saki ends up breaking the tie to lynch Gaiden.

---

I spent way too much time gathering data and formatting, and still have lots of questions to analyze. But here are a few thoughts - Personally, I think Pie's comments re: Gaiden's wagon still ring true to me. A purely town scum-flash wagon doesn't make any sense. I think there was a point that scum decided they were going to drop Gaiden. If I had to guess, I would say it was around post #2221 when Gaiden said he was going to leave them high and dry through the rest of the day phase and through the night phase. Interestingly this is the same point where votes started piling up.

Initial impressions tell me that Saki, Lush, and Muffin's votes are suspect. Also, why did Varsoon tie up his wagon with Gaiden when the tie still would have resulted in a Gaiden lynch?

~GC

I read back on this and remember why GCBC is town.

I just remembered that Sakura Hana slot is Tsukasa, so I don't exactly know how she got town card.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Hey Muffin, the lack of your caps makes it seem like I've caught on to you and you're planning on killing me tonight.

kat, get over it, lush didn't have a guilty on me

i hope you do die tonight just so you get sent to the dead QT to see how bad your read on me has been

This isn't working this time. I don't care how much you try to push that my read won't change your alignment. You are discrediting the solid evidence that Lush was most definitely copping you. That is

bull-shit.

The way you're discrediting how the Lush hydra wouldn't have copped you is by how you're playing, not by how they did not crumb you.

They did.

Read pages 100 and just whatever Day 2 started with. The only thing that will shut me up is the bullet I'll take from your scumteam.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Stop it. I will not associate with you unless there's lynch.

All you're going to do is take jabs at my self-esteem so fuck off.

I'd rather

other

people react to this considering all you've done is lie through your teeth.

P.EDIT: BECAUSE THEY CRUMBED TO LYNCH YOU AND THEY WERE AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Oracle claim is fine and fits loosely with Yuyuko's (I assume that's who you're trying to claim) and I thought she was town anyway so yeah.

In addition to other stuff, we have the ability to confirm a yet unnamed person as town due to interactions last night, but I'm wondering if I should just say what happened and we can leave it till later for who did it to claim.

Muffin's still scum.

-bork (all D2 posts so far have been me and I forgot to sign)

This is a crumb.

AD is a good wagon

FWIW I do NOT think scum had an extra kill last night. I think either player had the potential to be a vig kill (granted neither which I'd have made) but if serene was the NK and Kaze the Vig kill then AD is more likely scum. Just keep that in mind if you do get a vig that fesses to killing kaze later.

muffin is a better wagon, but I'm not fighting AD to get it today, he just needs to go eventually.

-bork (^)

This is a crumb.

If there is scum on the gaiden wagon,

I'm not seeing muffin as radically more scummy than bubba or messiah

If there is scum on the gaiden wagon, I'm not seeing muffin as radically more scummy than bubba or messiah

You will.

Anyway you can keep that town card with my blessing.

This is a crumb.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

BUT I'M STILL LynCHING VARSOON BECAUSE I PREFER ONE KILL PER NIGHT


I WILL JUST TUNNEL THE SHIT OUT OF MUFFIN TOMORROW

[Katarina LeBlanc]

kat

none of those are crumbs of anything other than suspicion of me

seriously get over it

See here, your defense was that there was absolutely no investigation on you. Jaqen made sense on how the redirect was entirely possible, but no, you flat out

denied

the investigation.

I will not get over it. If the dead QT are screaming at me to turn back, sucks for them. I'll slap Lush hydra silly when the game is over.

Until now, die.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Lean
Mean
Bean
Sean

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I want to lynch Varsoon or Muffin.

Why is Varsoon town in any sort of motivation whatsoever. I cannot see it at all.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

YOU WILL NEVER EVER DRAW THE NIGHTKILL BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I was hoping to draw the night kill, and I still am.
At this point in the game, there's too many players willing to vote for me.
Since I'm town, my goal is to get killed at night instead of lynched.
Since there's been more than 1 NK happening, I wanted to find out if it was coming from town, scum, or a third party.
It's clear that it's likely a third party or a crazy scum power.
No one counter-claimed Vig on me, so we know what we're up against in terms of power.
Basically, I'm doing all I can right now in an effort to garner as much info for town.
I'm probably going to be lynched at this point because I couldn't be subtle about it.
I know I won't be the kill, since I outed that was my plan.
So that's pretty much where I am right now.

Spoiler:

art a la Katarina

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Varsoon, I'm sorry you acted super scummy then started lying about your role and expected us to let it slide soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Sorry not sorry kthx.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE ON GCBC, PIE, TELL ME.

I WILL SERIOUSLY MAKE A SUPER LONG POST IF YOU DONT CONVINCE ME TO VOTE GCBC WITHIN 12 HOURS

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Okay I'll make the posts.

Town
{

SXTLHGaiden, Kaze,

Amar,

Pie,

GCBC, Varsoon,

Jaqen,

Muffin}

Really Really Weak Town / Should Probably Be Null
{Mac, Chamber of Kittens, Kise, Tsukasa, Dramonic}

Scum
{

Bubbajack,

Messiah Complex,

Serene,

ActionDan}

Not A Single Fuck Is Given / Figure It Out Your Own Damn Self
{Kagami, Saki, Katarina LaBlanc}

As per usual, bolded are stronger, italicized are weaker.



So saiyeth the Jiffy, so shall it be heard.

Those were Lush's reads before the Gaiden lynch. The hydra placed the vote on Varsoon and was willing to comprimise with a Bubba lynch while disregarding the Gaiden wagon.

After the lynch they start pushing heavily for the Muffin lynch with AD/CoK as a secondary read. Why would they do this? because of the fucking guilty. At no point was it crumbed that they copped in on GCBC, interactions between both of them on how they both wanted to start pushing on Muffin. If GCBC was copped at any point, then Lush would

not

have piled up on Muffin but on him.

What is Muffin's defense? That Lush didn't crumb. That is most definitely false, your argument was trying to WIFOM on why Lush won't go guns blazing on you when they got the guilty. The answer (that I can logically put together), is they had a much more important power that they could've used the next night.

This is where Nacho comes in. Nacho claims to have been the motivator and

motivated Lush night 1

this means that the next night Lush would have 2 uses of their power. That's sufficient reason to not immediately claim, but crumb a the guilty instead. If they stayed idle with their guilty on Muffin, they might've died in vain, hence why they decided to crumb it.

After Varsoon's flip, I do not believe that the redirect was possible. He specifically stated that things sent to Jaqen would be redirected to GCBC. Regardless of the role block I see only one way for Lush's investigation to be tampered with in any way, and that's if Nacho's role tampered with Lush's. I don't think this is possible due to the absurd specification of the role in that circumstance as well as me believing Nacho over anything that Muffin says.

I don't plan on letting this go, I want him dead. No, I will not reason with Muffin because I do believe he is confirmed scum and everything that comes out of his mouth is lies and misdirection so whoever feels as if they have any game-breaking information that would punch a hole in my theory then please, speak up. Do note that if I'm not convinced, I will scumread you as a partner to Muffin for being completely fucking blind and defending scumbutt.

I will compromise for a bubba lynch is people are still being butts about it but the more I think of it, the less appealing it is. I want to lynch the scum that is right there, rather than the shot in the dark. You're all bringing up this SK when one, the flavors are Good girls and Bad Girls or w/e you call the other ones. Would they be Serial killer girls? woahson. Totally fits the flavor yo, and which girl did he claim? Did she seem like the serial killery type? eeeh. Whatever!

I SMELL BLOOD.

VOTE: Muffin
VOTE: Muffin
VOTE: Muffin
VOTE: Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

WHY IS THERE A BLANK WHITE SPACE BETWEEN THIS POST AND MINE.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I entertained that AD could've possibly bussed back in Day 2. I still have a tinge of paranoia.
He was motivated day 2? Did Nacho confirm this at all.

How I interpret Lush's action is that they have an extra charge on their night action on the night they decide to use it. If it was motivate then...
>A Motivator is a role that can target a player at Night to allow them to use an extra action during the following Night. Note that factional abilities such as the Mafia's Night-kill cannot be used twice in one Night.
>allow them to use an extra action during the following Night.

Let's ask the mod!

@Mod if a odd night role was motivated, how would their action be affected (if it will be)

Regardless or not if the motivation took place, the crumb was still there. They went from Muffin-eh to MUFFIN-SCUM-AND-HAS-TO-GO-EVENTUALLY. We are at "EVENTUALLY" right now (last night too!). I FOLLOW THE COP BECAUSE I'M A GOOD GIRL.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

>allow them to use an extra action during the following Night.

so when both the mod and AD confirm the mechanics of the role don't change like that because of a motivate, what are you going to say about it?

because, literally, your argument is that:
-> they investigated me and got a guilty

Yes

-> they wanted to stay hidden until D4 for no reason in a game with multiple killing roles

Day 3

-> they were fine with lynching players they weren't sure about until then in order to stay hidden

As long as they got word out that you're scum to die, then yes.

if you legitimately think this makes sense, then

i'll just ignore you altogether

STOP REASONING WITH ME THEN, B-BAKA

[Katarina LeBlanc]

btw, one other thing. what's your read on saki and bubba? coz you don't seem at all perturbed that they're the ones supporting you

EXPLAIN HOW THEY ARE SUPPORTING ME

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I will stab you with a rusty knife.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

EXPLAIN HOW THEY ARE SUPPORTING ME

ok

what's your read on bubba and saki? coz you don't seem at all perturbed that they are the only ones who agree with you / are wagoning with you / whatever you want to call it if you don't think it's supporting you

I have this tingling feeling that bubba is SK or something and Saki it just eh-ish.

I'm assuming there's like 3ish scum out there and I don't know, okay? You're making me less and less confident about everything in general that usadfhuasdhrn.

NO, HANNAH, YOU WILL NOT CHICKEN OUT >:I

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Bubba

IM HAVING FISH TONIGHT

[Katarina LeBlanc]

So is this game "ur scumstop arguing with me"

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'm probably going to lose us the game and trust the wrong person.

God, my reads are completely fucked up.

Nacho, please explain what you've been doing the past nights.
It Kise slot exists then FoS n them, inventors shouldnt be in the game for this long.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'm probably going to lose us the game and trust the wrong person.

God, my reads are completely fucked up.

Nacho, please explain what you've been doing the past nights.
It Kise slot exists then FoS n them, inventors shouldnt be in the game for this long.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I want to spend this day organizing what happened during the nights, so a massclaim seems like the way to go

Setup is most likely 15-5-1 and we've just not been hitting scum despite our early start. Basically from our pool of claims right now, the only people who I'd want to suspect of having SK-ish claim intention is GCBC, Bubba, and the VTs. We need to shed more light on the actual PRs we have because despite massclaiming we never actually took the time to round down how we're using abilities.

MafiaSSK, what have you been doing the past nights and what has Kise done so far. Can you ask the mod?
Nacho, I'm really having my doubts on your claim because Muffin is sort of being towny looking but my paranoia says to just not trust anyone at this point.

What do we know and what can we account for right now. Let's start with Night 1/Day 1.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Jaqen's investigate was a gambit, he faked it to bait the reaction out of Bubba.
I have a strong feeling that one of the VTs are lying for the sake of consistency.
Wasn't Serene some sort of mason as well?

Among those, GCBC just doesn't really fit as town. As much as I'd hate to be a major hypocrite, that would mean him and Sakura would be scumbuddies.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Saki or Sakura lynch today, let's take a pick.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Why AD

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Wait.


It could be possible he's the secondary mafia kill and he bussed CoK. A secondary kill is more valuable than the Ninja flip.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

the only people who I'd want to suspect of having SK-ish claim intention is GCBC, Bubba, and the VTs

i am pretty sure GCBC cannot be SK due to varsoon and kagami N1. he couldn't have performed either kill. so yes, the SK is likely bubba or one of the VTs (i think bubba obviously)

Wasnt Varsoon roleblocked by Kagami though.

Varsoon redirected Jaqen to GCBC and vice versa, how does that make him not SK or not mafia.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Then why arent we lynching bubba. You separate the town block where mafia + SK can pick apart town and safetly make it to late game. This scumteam plan seems a lot easier without the SK, who I just think shouldn't be ignored.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

But he will shoot town, you in particular.

Plus I'd go for Sakura first over GCBC

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Saki

Let's put you at L-1, please just shoot Sakura or something or whatever. Go the dream.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I don't want to anymore ;_;

please

end my misery

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Tracker makes sense considering ninja+visitor though.

Screw off.

VOTE: Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK, Katarina LeBlanc, zMuffinMan, ActionDan, bubbajack8, GoodCop_BadCop

Claims in the game
Nacho - Motivator
MafiaSSK - Inventor
ActionDan - Tracker
bubba - Bomb
GCBC - Bulletproof
Kat - Oracle

If there's 3 scum left, I want Muffin-MafiaSSK-Nacho as scum. This would leave either GCBC or bubba as SK and ActionDan as the only town I know of.

The safest lynch as of now is Nacho or Muffin. Whatever MafiaSSK or the inventor slot has been doing is not working, nothing he's been giving out has been confirmed or has had any effect on the game whatsoever, possible fruit vendor or just plain fucking liar. We can't even guarantee motivate this game, and if it does then Nacho motivated Lush who was the cop. That should in theory confirm that Muffin was inspected. Yeah, I'm probably going to get it in gear now but town most probably loses this game.

I guess appealing to SK is the only thing I have.

I'm just tired now. Just lynch Muffin and however the night actions respire would pretty much go with whatever.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Muffin, I honestly don't give a flying fuck anymore. Regardless of what happens today, my vote will stay on you. I don't care if the 3 mafia piles up on you as well and they quickhammer for the win.

My gut will no longer remain silenced.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

If there were 4 then the game would be over

even with the SK in, they could control every lynch and win game by process of elimination. I'm assuming 3 because the game isn't over.

>also GCBC still cannot be SK
Kagami's shit?
>jaqen and pie both confirmed mafiassk-slot giving them inventions
What inventions, when have they ever been able to utilize this. They confirmed receiving one, I even remember him even saying that they give out bulletproof vests. Where is that now??? I'm even going the distance and being paranoid that inventions he gives is some kind of kill mark or some shit.
>nacho is semi-confirmed to be visitor atm unless gcbc lied about receiving music
Visitor seems like an awfully convenient thing to claim with a tracker in game, even with- WAIT.

>VISITOR
>NINJA
2-2
x_x

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: GCBC

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Go fuck yourself, scum.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: GCBC

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Nacho

[Katarina LeBlanc]

VOTE: Muffin

Blaze it

[Katarina LeBlanc]

no

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Go get hit by a truck.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I don't want you to be alive in this game anymore, Muffin. So please someone hammer :<

[Katarina LeBlanc]

die you scumfuck

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I honestly don't give a shit, get hammered you scum. Yeah, my pushes on you fell on flat and I got called out on it for so much. I'm just pissed that I was right in trusting my gut but it got watered down for everyone just ignoring facts.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I DON'T GIVE A S HIT

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Well I fucking knew it :v