Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[Desperado]

We're a miller.

and i'm an encryptor. rock papers scissors for who gets to die d1?

vote: desperado

[Desperado]

what about mine?

[Desperado]

i don't joke and i don't gambit. i'm an encryptor and i need to die as soon as possible.

[Desperado]

my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist, and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs

if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?

[Desperado]

yup

that's why i need to die

peep the self vote and then sheep it

[Desperado]

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

it says that if one encryptor is alive daytalk is active. in a way that implies i might not be the only one.

[Desperado]

Maybe it's due to norms at my homesite, but I don't think daytalk is that big a deal definitely not something SO SCAREY I'd want to lynch someone who looks town from this to get rid of.

there are a lot of powerhouse hydras with known scum plotters that would absolutely benefit from daytalk. pretty much any permutation you can think of, really.

[Desperado]

tammy what do you think about juls?

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: juls

hi mollie!

[Desperado]

hi desp!

get your retarded vote off of yourself!

lol i did. right above me saying hi.

[Desperado]

So, I'm going to lose interest in this game real fast if you guys keep chatting about games other than this one. I'm not in the cool kids club which makes for a really boring read.

hey can we go back to lynching this please tia

[Desperado]

you are oozing scum all over the thread

[Desperado]

You realize they claimed neighborizer right? Even if they are scum we can wait for them to make a neighborhood and add to the discussion of the game. There is no way they would waste it on their scum buddies so there would be a place for town people to discuss not only at night but for the time being during the day as well. I see no benefit what so ever from lynching Juls at this point.

i don't really care what he claimed?

nothing stopping him from claiming blocked, "claiming" he neighborized his buddy, etc.

do you have any reason to think he's town other than claiming neighborizer?

[Desperado]

also scum neighborizer is a thing that exists (especially if this was meant as a normal game--only so many normal scum roles to choose from)

[Desperado]

you're aware Marquis claimed town neighborizer right

yup. so you agree that one of them is likely scum, yeah?

[Desperado]

I think town cos of stated reasons. I just don't see him burning his meta that way.

hmmm?

[Desperado]

there's a good chance there's another neighborizer out there and if there is and it's a scum neighborizer there wouldn't be much of a reason for it to claim it at this point

if they're both town and the 3rd neighborizer doesn't claim now then he never gets to use his power so that sounds like a win to me.

[Desperado]

[Desperado]

guys this is supposed to be a quick game. what are we waiting for exactly?

[Desperado]

pssst you're already voting juls so i wasn't talking to you

[Desperado]

because not claiming neighborizer right now and neighborizing someone later would be a scum claim

[Desperado]

i said hello to mollie and she is currently backing up my juls push. what else are you looking for?

[Desperado]

you said something about me burning my meta and i didnt understand what you meant

[Desperado]

i dont' even know. i just remember that the reason that I thought you guys were both off in Charmed was because you ignored each other.

yeah but that was over like a two week day phase

[Desperado]

your claim doesn't have much future sustainability in this game or the next. you will have to do a lot to support a town positive utility function.

why would you burn this?

can you explain this to me like i'm five? still not getting it.

[Desperado]

julztown: I know what is like to feel left out cos sometimes I feel that way too. I also don't know what to do when some1 meltsdown in the way that she did.

yeah but juls' "wahh i'm not in the cool kids club" didn't sound genuine whatsoever

compare her reaction to me in maniacal and come back and vote her please

[Desperado]

yeah but it was something I was worried about early on and didn't say anything because Nacho told me I was wrong about everything and then I let your brother sounding not like he did in too many heads throw me off. i'd rather be careful and make sure than let some of my worries go unsaid.

makes sense

ps i told him how to metaduck you, you should have been more weary of that

[Desperado]

help me out here plz.

cos why would you start a hydra to play with your husband before hydras were a thing and then not understand anything about hydras?

i don't even think the frustration sounds genuine/town so qed

[Desperado]

I feel overwhelmed by this game already. Who is town? I'm basically willing to sheep someone and vote with them until I have any real opinions of my own. Someone speak up.

*raises hand*

vote juls.

[Desperado]

sleepykrew is either town as balls or scum doing an incredible job of buddying me--either way imma let him live for a while

[Desperado]

Juls' claim was premature and weird in a way that scum don't usually make. I strongly believe her claim. I also believe Marquis' claim too, but if either of them are scum, it'd be him.

what

even if you strongly believe her claim she's still a scum neighborizer so you should still sheep me

[Desperado]

Gut scum read on Slice of Life. So I'll start there.

VOTE: Slice of Life

When you say you believe Juls's claim, you believe she's a neighborizer or specifically a town neighborizer?

Town neighbouriser.

why is slice scum and why don't scum claim prematurely/awkwardly? especially if they feel threatened and powerless (which juls has claimed in this topic)?

[Desperado]

Because it was relevant to my reasoning. And I saw the wheels of the wagon rolling and I figured I should get it out of the way so we could focus on lynching scum since we don't have a lot of time. I guess I didn't anticipate how severe of a mistake people thought I made.

but you were voting me

who you thought was town

so...?

[Desperado]

The hydra dissonance defense

ohmyfuckinggodwhyisthisstillalive

[Desperado]

An excuse to change your reads on a dime. Keep doing it, it only helps my case on you.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Desperado]

Anyway, I agree with Juls that using your neighborhood as your hydra QT is probably bad idea right now, but it does seem something likely to come from town so it's just solidifying that read.

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

ps vote juls

[Desperado]

lol wrong game. too many fucking neighborhood games!

[Desperado]

And since I am handing out reads prior to my imminent hanging, I actually think sugoku is town. They have taken the most reasoned approach to my play. My CC is likely scum but I am not 100% certain of that. Setting up a tit-for-tat CC seems an odd choice unless there is a third neighborizor. I lean town on Desperado but don't like his lazy vote of me. SAD is also likely town. As is Oversoul for being some blatant in requesting access to the neighborhood. Everyone else is unknown.

P-edit: absolutely and I hope that's real.

now i'm just leaning town because my vote on you is lazy? lol.

I didn't see how scum would self vote and seem to actually mean it so yeah, I read him as town.

@Imperium 338 - I think desp is town, I think oversoul is more town than not, I think the hydra cc'ing me (feu whatever) is scum. I am sorta going back and forth on helium due to the way they are questioning...can't really quantify that.

i was lazily voting you during both of these comments so what's up?

[Desperado]

That's a scum response.

Juls is likely town.

what's a town response?

[Desperado]

thanks for calling it out but what

im in another concurrent neighborhood game that is strictly nighttalk only and i'm kind of stoned right now

[Desperado]

You were voting you too so....

?? so what? you said me voting myself made me town. then you just said we didn't have a ton of time so you wanted to be on a wagon and catch scum...even though you were on record as thinking i was town.

[Desperado]

Why are you arguing over town vs leaning town?

because it's a meaningful distinction that you can't justify?

[Desperado]

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

i literally explained this in the post immediately afterwards.

[Desperado]

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

i explained it.

twice

.

before perpetual nonsense made this "catch"

[Desperado]

dat chaining

juls has stated multiple times that he wants helium lynched when he flips town...is anyone reading this fuckin game???

[Desperado]

how scum is this on a scale from 10 to 10

fucking 11

[Desperado]

Yeah, I didn't really get time to though, you guys killed us night one!

duh

helium is town.

[Desperado]

so....why is slice of life scum and why are you sheeping juls now instead of voting your own scumread?

[Desperado]

Desperado. How do you feel about my opinion on Juls? Is it convincing?

not really. i'd be more convinced if you had information on what juls does with claims as town and scum. do you think you've assembled a representative sample that should be convincing?

[Desperado]

i don't believe oversoul is really this angry about being misread...especially when he already knows this about himself?

[Desperado]

i did and still do think i should die because every possible iteration of the scum team with a playerlist like this would benefit from daytalk and taking that away is worth more than even my best town effort imo

[Desperado]

Why let them have a mislynch on you just to eliminate day talk abilities?

because one mislynch on an otherwise unimportant slot isn't as valuable as scum having daytalk with practically any set of scum in this playerlist.

[Desperado]

I can't see him doing it so that people won't be parnaoid for why he's still alive because that's not something I think he'd worry about or anyone would worry about which would be the only reason to make that claim.

i definitely would not need to do this because i'm generally alive late game in every game i play.

[Desperado]

And if he is seen as a threat and nk'd, scum lose daytalk and that's awesome

that's the problem though, i don't get nked when i'm town (as a general rule).

juls is scum. slandaar and saint kerrigan and nobody special lean scum. oversoul too.

sleepykrew, sad, mastinhydra, helium, marquishydra is your d1 town block

[Desperado]

because i can't read tammy worth shit and i feel more comfortable reading nacho

as for not mafia his iso is only 7 posts long and i'm feeling pretty good after some post-work activities sooooo

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up

multiple references to the speed of the game with "quickness" in the title is slimey and the krew vote blows chunks

@Feu et Vol It's not that I find him annoying (I don't), it's a noise to signal thing

@Helium I can't make head nor tail of that post about Desp's self vote, were you calling his vote stupid or counter-productive or what?

he's wrong about krew, otherwise meh

Here's a game where scum used daytalk well throughout and it was probably (one of) the main factor(s) behind their win.

Anyway I feel like we're just getting in to theory discussion (the strength of daytalk isn't irrelevant but I don't think that's the lynch should be dependent on) when the actual game-related discussion is about whether we should lynch Desp, which I'd say a resounding no to at this juncture because despite my opinion on daytalk the actual implication of his role is ambiguous.

huh?

I am aware of the semi-hipocrisy in the post but the theory talk is only in the first half of the post. I was saying my final words on the theory stuff and after that trying to shift the topic back on track

zzzzz

@Marquis (Feu Et Vol head) It seems you understood me the first time and I realise you are probably correct now

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

You signed up for a game with 4 day deadlines. You should be expecting plenty of thread explosions. Why does it strike you as unusual?

That comment wasn't entirely serious

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me.

Why?

That was my gut read after reading their argument

Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

This is incredibly non-committal and feels like a load of hedging. Do you or do you not want to lynch Desp?

I do not want to lynch Desp

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

This is a pretty terrible vote. Why does SleepyKrew's posting feel like noise to you?

Because at that point he hadn't really posted any content, just a bunch of questions.

I still lean town on Juls by the timing of her claim and because I don't see how this Hydra talk stuff is alignment indicative so I feel like she's just being backed in to a corner over nothing, I don't like the read on Feu Et Vol but I can also see it coming from someone who doesn't know them. Helium I see jumping on everyone and I don't think they're actually reading the posts they're attacking people for. The not liking entrances thing is mutual with slice of life, both head's entrance looked quite forced to me

VOTE: Helium

i haven't agreed with a single thing not mafia has done.

VOTE: Juls

Antihero's histrionics aside, I'm not liking Juls' "You're scum so you're using hydra dissonance as a scum tactic". Should really be the other way around.

until now. bus.jpq?

@Juls. I understand that but your point about the change in reads was discounted but you continued to push it on a house of cards of "You're scum so the hydra dissonance is fake and scum motivated"

at least he's helping

conclusion: meh. could be scum. could be town. i think i played against notmafiatown once in a game i replaced in to as scum in the midst of getting rolled by the town in a hard boiled game. i'll need to refresh myself on it but i feel like i remember him being more active/antagonistic whereas here he's floating along despite the time crunch.

[Desperado]

WAIT YOU HAD ME AS TOWN EARLY IN TALES OF...

...and town read nacho!scum?

publically yes. privately i had you as scum for practically the entire game and called nacho as scum to cabd in site chat sometime during d1/d2

[Desperado]

pedit: but the day before or the day we did lynch nacho you had both of us in the if we could all recognize we're town list we'd win the game. I was town, but Nacho was not, and you did not want to lynch nacho the day I through a fit about him being scum.

that was a bro read and i think i'd pretty much checked out by the time nacho got lynched?

[Desperado]

That's fine, but my issue is the "I feel more comfortable reading Nacho" when he's shit at reading nacho. But it's probably irrelevant as he'd probably just write me off as town if he were scum and I think his encryptor thing is town anyway.

i'm not shit at reading nacho though.

[Desperado]

mastin-style quick guide to desperado/nacho interactions:

are we both town? we'll figure that out pretty quickly

is desperado scum and nacho town? desperado is

fucked

is nacho scum and desperado town? desperado will probably recognize it but fail to get nacho lynched.

and there you go. so if you want to know my alignment just wait for nacho to catch up; he'll know.

[Desperado]

Yes I post a lot. Sorry. I really do try to restrain myself.

Try harder. You're part of the reason I'm still not caught up yet.

[Desperado]

by burning every piece of town meta i could think of? yes.

also nacho was distracted by mollie tunnelling/murdering them.

[Desperado]

I actually really do. i feel like I'm one of the easiest people on this site to read and that nacho is one of the best scum players on this site, so if you really think nacho is easier to read, I feel like less of a failure! so thank you!

a lot of nacho's success as scum comes from his ability to convince people that what they've seen wasn't actually scummy. when he's town, he really doesn't have to do that.

[Desperado]

Desp, if you think you're more valuable dead than alive, how come you aren't pushing the self-lynch (and didn't push it very hard?)?

because the only person who was buying what i was selling was scum

[Desperado]

I will admit, I am having trouble keeping up in the game atm. I go to bed or go out, and come back to 10 new pages. I reply to things as I see them.

but i had already explained what it meant by the time nonsense got around to "catching it" so that means you aren't reading every post? or what.

[Desperado]

here's the sequence of events in case you forgot

Anyway, I agree with Juls that using your neighborhood as your hydra QT is probably bad idea right now, but it does seem something likely to come from town so it's just solidifying that read.

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

ps vote juls

lol wrong game. too many fucking neighborhood games!

qt's aren't available during the day

lol what

thanks for calling it out but what

-marquis

thanks for calling it out but what

im in another concurrent neighborhood game that is strictly nighttalk only and i'm kind of stoned right now

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

i literally explained this in the post immediately afterwards.

Juls' claim was premature and weird in a way that scum don't usually make.

I strongly believe her claim.

I also believe Marquis' claim too, but if either of them are scum, it'd be him.

Since we're on the hoopla topic the boded is like totally bad.

do you think the pair could be connected somehow?

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

so you saw #525 but not the actual post that you thought contained the slip or the two posts after it (inbetween sad's 525 and nonsense "catching" it in 540)?

[Desperado]

I am not pushing it. People keep not understanding what I mean, including you so I keep trying to explain it. Can someone who does understand what I am saying explain it better for me?

you're definitely pushing it. you just reiterated your helium scumread and their hydra dissonance played a large part in the development of your read.

[Desperado]

no, beast is correct. you've already shown that you know what they would refer to if you flipped town--you've been hyper aware of your own scumminess all game and that question is nothing more than a stupid gotcha! type of inquiry.

[Desperado]

i can't take it anymore

[Desperado]

I think Slice of Life is townie for that response since I was misremembering how deep my meta history with Mastin is. It sounded really honest and confused and townie... God I wanted righteous indignation at Mastin fail reading me.

hang on

so what did you think mastin should have been referring to and why was he scum for not doing what you expected?

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: saint kerrigan

juls, don't replace out. just because you didn't know us before doesn't mean you can't get to know us now.

[Desperado]

there is no damning evidence, not mafia is just kind of generically scummy

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... p5948702ps i already did that[/url

[Desperado]

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... p5948702ps i already did that[/url]

this was @ sleepy saying he'd have to look at n_m himself

[Desperado]

I'm not a vote on shos, but I've been partnered with him twice and I think he prefers scum, unless I'm just really misremembering. So, it's null to me.

shos definitely prefers scum

[Desperado]

Am I missing something?

no you aren't missing anything

the rest of the post is pretty legit though

[Desperado]

you are such scum slaandy

tammy/mollie is gonna be like a 4 headed hydra. yaye!

do you know who would made a great fifth wheel? MASTINA

securing that read would be a amazing.

going home, see you guys in a few hours.

what the fuck am i, chopped liver?

[Desperado]

cuz nero is a troll

[Desperado]

shos i've already tried that one, it didn't work

who else?

[Desperado]

why? it was harmless and showed me that desp isn't really reading the game in detail.

are you serious?

[Desperado]

i knew you hadn't claimed you twat i was playing along with your shitty reaction test

[Desperado]

hint: when you quote a post it gives a fucking link to it

[Desperado]

I don't like how overly and desp immediately jumped to kerrigan after anti voted that slot. but gutwise in rvs kerrigan DID feel scummy.

town move in herds. i think i heard that somewhere.

it's almost like my juls push wasn't going anywhere anymore so i decided to help a townread push their scumread that i also lean scum on.

!!!!!

wow!

[Desperado]

lol, welcome to my untouchable townpile desp

<3

[Desperado]

why didn't it quote the hug emoji

[Desperado]

why?

[Desperado]

I have read

this?

[Desperado]

which book?

[Desperado]

The only reason motivation I can think of for players to want scum to have day talk is that they are scum themselves. Encryptor is a scum role and I could totally see Desparado playing a gambit with their claim. "May role PM suggests more than one encryptor", then lynching Desp is one less to worry about. Unless the Encryptor effects the Neighbourhoods too? Encryptors traditionally only involve scum QTs.

of course it works on neighborhoods too. if you'd actually read the posts where i explained my role you would have known that. which is weird because you picked up the fact that it says there might be multiple encryptors

but somehow missed the remainder of the sentence, which confirms the fact that it effects neighborhoods too

[Desperado]

I read this post, Desp, but I read it as there are multiple scum teams rather than in reference to the neighbourhoods. I didn't know encryptors could effect neighbourhood QTs.

but i fucking told you that they did.

[Desperado]

Who do you think is our best shot for a lynch at this point?

uh...the guy who claimed vengeful????

just a thought

[Desperado]

i think he's l-2

[Desperado]

*shrugs* Perhaps my way of figuring shit out isn't the same as yours.

but your way doesn't actually result in you figuring shit out, that's the problem.

[Desperado]

Alright so I'm gonna go and shoot sleepykrew.

don't do that

[Desperado]

Slandaar and SaintK are not bad targets to shoot either if we lynch Shos and he is town.

that's more like it

[Desperado]

we will dl lynch shos only if necessary

mastin lynch isn't happening

do you have anything else important to say or can we fucking honor this game mechanic and end the day on what is the obviously optimal lynch?

[Desperado]

why would jason scum kill his only ally? far as i can tell tammy didn't (doesn't?) crumb and nacho is MIA

[Desperado]

vote: slandaar

[Desperado]

Spoiler: d1 vote counts colored in

Slandaar (4): Juls, Hoopla, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (2): SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol

Not Voting (13): Sugoku Sugoi,

Imperium

, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Desperado, Nobody Special, Oversoul, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki, Perpetual Nonsense,

SaintKerrigan

,

Not_Mafia

2nd Vote Count of Day 1

Slandaar (4): Juls, Hoopla, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (3): SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Oversoul

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado

Not Voting (10): Sugoku Sugoi,

Imperium

, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

3rd Vote Count of Day 1

Slandaar (3): Hoopla, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Desperado (2): Desperado, Juls
Speedy Saki (2): Feu et Vol, Oversoul

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (1): SleepyKrew
Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

4th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (3):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol
Slandaar (3): Hoopla, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Desperado (2): Desperado, Juls

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

5th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Hoopla

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado
Juls (1): Ser Arthur Dayne
Slandaar (1): jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul
SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Not Voting (9): Sugoku Sugoi, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, Juls, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

6th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Hoopla
SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado
Juls (1): Ser Arthur Dayne
Slandaar (1): jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi, Slice of Life,

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, Juls, helium-3, Slandaar, Speedy Saki

7th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Hoopla
Juls (3): Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi
SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3
Slice of Life (1): Slide of Life

Not Voting (6):

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, Juls, Speedy Saki, jasonT1981

8th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Hoopla
Juls (2): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi
SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Oversoul (1): helium-3

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul
Slice of Life (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (7):

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special, Juls, Ser Arthur Dayne, Speedy Saki, jasonT1981

9th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (3): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol
helium-3 (2): Juls,

Not_Mafia

Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Slice of Life (1): Hoopla
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not Voting (7):

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Speedy Saki, jasonT1981

10th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (4): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew
helium-3 (3): Juls,

Not_Mafia

, jasonT1981

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Slice of Life (1): Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, Ser Arthur Dayne, Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

11th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

helium-3 (2): Juls, jasonT1981

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Slice of Life (1): Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, Ser Arthur Dayne, Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

12th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew, Not_Mafia
helium-3 (3): Juls, jasonT1981, Ser Arthur Dayne
Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, Perpetual Nonsense
Slice of Life (1): Hoopla
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

13th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (4): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

helium-3 (3): Juls, Ser Arthur Dayne, Hoopla
Oversoul (2): helium-3, Slice of Life
Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): Sugoku Sugoi

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, jasonT1981, Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

14th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
Oversoul (3): helium-3, Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense
helium-3 (2): Juls, Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, Speedy Saki, jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan

15th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
helium-3 (2): Juls, Hoopla
Oversoul (2): Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, helium-3, Speedy Saki,

SaintKerrigan

16th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
helium-3 (2): Juls, Hoopla
Oversoul (2): Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, helium-3, Speedy Saki,

SaintKerrigan

17th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
Juls (3): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew

Shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar
helium-3 (2): Juls, Hoopla
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (6):

Shos

, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3, Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

18th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(4): helium-3, Oversoul, Desperado, Juls

Shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar
Juls (2): Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan

helium-3 (1): Hoopla
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (3):

Shos

,

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special

19th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(5): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew

SaintKerrigan

(4): Oversoul, Desperado, Hoopla, Juls
Speedy Saki (3): jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan, shos

shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
SleepyKrew (1): helium-3
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (2):

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special

20th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(6): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew,

shos

SaintKerrigan

(4): Oversoul, Desperado, Juls, Hoopla
shos (3): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar, helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not Voting (3):

Not_Mafia

, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

21st Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(7): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew,

shos

, Juls

shos

(4): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

SaintKerrigan

(3): Oversoul, Desperado, Hoopla
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

22nd Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(6): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

, Hoopla, jasonT1981

Not_Mafia

(5): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (3): Juls, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

23rd Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(8): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

, Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

24th Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(8): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar,

Not_Mafia

, Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls, Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(4): Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, Sugoku Sugoi

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Slice of Life (1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

Final Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(10): Slandaar,

Not_Mafia

, Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls, Slice of Life, Ser Arthur Dayne, Perpetual Nonsense, Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado

Not_Mafia

(2):

Imperium

, Sugoku Sugoi
Slice of Life (1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

[Desperado]

all three major deadline wagons being on town (and us being aware of that immediately) makes me think that this game is gonna hit easy mode sooner rather than later

[Desperado]

21st Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(7): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew,

shos

, Juls

shos

(4): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

SaintKerrigan

(3): Oversoul, Desperado, Hoopla
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
Speedy Saki (1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

24th Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(8): Perpetual Nonsense, Slandaar,

Not_Mafia

, Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls, Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(4): Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Speedy Saki, Sugoku Sugoi

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Slice of Life (1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2): Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

these two in particular are going to make it very hard for scum to hide

[Desperado]

I'm not assuming jason was singlehandly deciding the NKs. it's probable the other members thought tammy was the best kill even tho she thought jason was town

why kill tammy though? she didn't crumb, she spent the day tunnelling a townie that she ended up murdering, and she had a list of townreads that didn't include any of three who died and flipped town.

[Desperado]

So are you saying SleepyKrew and I are scum since we were on both wagons? Otherwise I don't get what you are saying.

guilty conscience much? you don't get what i was saying because i wasn't saying anything.

[Desperado]

What analysis did you glean from that then. Why post it if you have no conclusion? You acted if there is some obvious thing to see there and I don't see it.

it's called grunt work. four town flips in two phases means we can start analyzing vcs immediately. you're more than welcome to draw some conclusions and report back when you're done.

[Desperado]

yo juls why are you so freaked out by me posting colored in vcs?

it's fucking weird.

[Desperado]

@ falcon: ...no?

[Desperado]

Okay, well. Tammy was
a) Obvtown and unlynchable
b) Diffusing tensions among the town and preventing the game from turning into a hostile environment
c) Known for waffling/paranoia
d) Persuasive enough to push lynches
e) Has Nacho to back her up and double the threat to scum

a) cool
b) ok
c) uh huh
d) now you're losing me. the only time i've played with tammy where she was persuasive in pushing her lynches was big brother and she and nacho were unusually empowered by that mechanic--the reckoning, song of ice and fire, we the purple, tales of you...none feature a strong willed, town leading tammy.
e) this is just false. nacho didn't post once and he has essentially site flaked at this point. expecting him to have any sort of presence in this game going forward would have been foolish.

If Jason is scum, Tammy being alive and prone to waffle is a greater threat to him than dead Tammy who had a townread on him. Besides that, most scumteams with or without Jason in them would have considered her the optimal NK. How was she "tunneling" Not_Mafia anways? And I can't think of who else any scumteam would have shot.

if jason is scum then he was successfully meta-ducking tammy and would have no reason to expect her to waffle on a read like that. who else did tammy push as scum besides not mafia? and helium, feu, and yourselves would all have made sense as nks

[Desperado]

All this discussion about "why was Tammy killed" is enough to get town on the wrong track imo.

no it isn't. tammy was wrong about a lot of stuff and got killed anyway--that's significant.

[Desperado]

is he known to lurk as scum or something?

i don't think i've played slandaar scum before but we have 4 or 5 completed games together and this iteration doesn't resemble any of those

[Desperado]

I'm not freaked out. It's just like what you describe. Grunt work. No analysis just "hey look at this townie thing I did that says something super obvious but I'm not going to do the analysis, I did this other townie thing, see?"

you seemed pretty freaked out about being on the two leading deadline wagons even though i didn't say anything about you or anyone else.

ps do you think i'm scum now or what? cuz last i checked you had me as town so i'm not really getting you right now.

[Desperado]

Reads develop. I could care less if you think I was "freaked out". My point was that you said the game was easy mode because of this info so I am telling you that it's not if that's the analysis you got from your VC regurgitation. In fact, I interpreted it exactly opposite. I.e, we are on the wrong track, not easy mode

no, i said that "this game will hit easy mode sooner rather than later." future tense.

[Desperado]

desp what do you think about jason and his reaction to my push on him?

fwiw, I agree with slandaar scum at this point, but I'd rather not have a scenario where we divide our attention between 2 scum and they get out of it

it's generically bad

ps multiple scum getting attention is never a bad thing so i don't understand your 2nd point

[Desperado]

Why would those two in particular make it hard to hide Desp?

because while i agree that the scum likely felt like they were in good positions most of the day, the way the day ended with a not mafia wagon disassembling into a shos wagon and with 2/7 of the people not on those wagons already dead and flipped, d1 VCA is going to get really ugly for the scum really quickly.

[Desperado]

Also, Hoopla is likely confirmed town because she got not_mafia out of the noose with her statistics.

yeah because that wouldn't have been the easiest scum move of all time

come on man

[Desperado]

i actually agree with your hoopla insight

you really shouldn't though. there was no downside to hooplascum doing what they did for notmafia and scum love no downside plays. if you think she is conftown for clearing a vt claim you're doing it wrong.

[Desperado]

@ juls: is there anything else besides sogoku's jason push that is making you feel uneasy? that's kind of pie's thing and it looks pretty legit.

[Desperado]

i read everything

[Desperado]

i think the most important thing is that it's bad.

less quibbling more voting.

[Desperado]

do you need me to fucking format the vote for you? jesus

vote: slandaar[ /b]

highlight that, ctrl+v, scroll to quick reply, ctrl+p, remove the space

voila

[Desperado]

Trouble is, I don't believe that because in their iso, they look like they're making an attempt at doing something. Null to me, I can buy the excuses that they're behind.

jackiechan.jpg

[Desperado]

he's probably town

[Desperado]

Can somebody drag me in by asking some questions, please? I need to direct my thoughts, finding this game a bit difficult. Thanks.

PS I'm not hammering someone for being what I read as genuinely inactive.

Also I'm posting from work so won't answer straight away.

not only is genuine inactivity not a reason to think someone is town,

you don't even think it's genuine

:

Trouble is, I don't believe that because in their iso, they look like they're making an attempt at doing something. Null to me, I can buy the excuses that they're behind.

why do you suppose slandaar is lying about not doing anything then?

ps if slandaar was doing something you'd fucking know it.

[Desperado]

slandaar you should claim now

[Desperado]

it is not a null tell, sorry

[Desperado]

unvote

[Desperado]

You actually buy that?

i'll let you know once he tries to confirm his ability.

[Desperado]

do you really think he should just be sitting at l-1 after claiming that though?

cuz if so...who are you and what have you done with f-16?

[Desperado]

You unvoted as soon as he claimed something that ridiculously scummy so I wondered if you thought it was townish. I want to wait to see his results.

if you want to wait to see his results why the fuck are you questioning my unvote?

[Desperado]

@ mollie: you really need to read more closely. slandaar wasn't saying he was going to get his result during the night phase, he was just saying he didn't expect a response from the mods until the evening.

@ slandaar: i get lurking to avoid the nk n1 but what the fuck were you doing today? when were you going to use your ability, especially if we hadn't run you up? why sogou? i'd ask why you didn't investigate one of your prior scumreads instead but you didn't fucking have any so whoop dee doo

[Desperado]

hoopla re you scum?

[Desperado]

ps your analysis is ignoring the possibility of slandaarscum/jasonscum. in that case jasonscum would have no qualms about asking to be investigated.

[Desperado]

Anyone fancy a Desp lynch? That was a really bad misrep.

lol

[Desperado]

hey slandaar, that thar vote ought to mean you have a result yeah?

spit it out

[Desperado]

the mod posted a vote count

ergo slandaar should have a result in his pm box

ergo he should spit it out

[Desperado]

vote: slice of life

[Desperado]

rip hoopla

[Desperado]

sogoku is pretty town

[Desperado]

wrong

everything that happened at the end of the day (from them asking why i unvoted after such a scummy claim to their convoluted reason for hammering) was insanely over the top for scum on scum violence.

[Desperado]

slandaar was a dead man walking regardless of what they did and their reason for hammering wasn't very complicated.

it was needlessly complicated regardless. and i think it came from town.

[Desperado]

MS/Saki hydra (trust me)

thank god for this

[Desperado]

shos:

Please do not vengekill SakiHydra. They may seem useless, but I bet I can whip them into shape in the coming days.

weeeeee another conftown

[Desperado]

updated vca incoming shortly

[Desperado]

fun fact: nero/shos, kerrigan, nobody special, and sakihydra basically didn't vote d1. at all.

i'm kind of in awe of their mason play, it's beautiful

[Desperado]

Vote: Sugoku

Same case, different day. This game is stupid.

why is this game stupid? i'm feeling pretty great about it actually

[Desperado]

Vote: Sugoku

Same case, different day. This game is stupid.

why is this game stupid? i'm feeling pretty great about it actually

Really? A lot of our scumreads flipped town and scum shot a bunch of our PRs. What are your updated reads looking like right now?

we've lynched scum and all of the scummy townies are dead + we have a conftown mason now

what's not to like?

[Desperado]

Desp Desps 2104 seems weird to me... its like he is announcing confirmed towns to scum, helping identify confirmed town so they can take out confirmed towns and leave non confirmed for lynches hoping for mislynches.

you're dumb

sorry but it had to be said

like, why are you not even addressing the fact that the dead mason said to trust him that speedy saki is town and that he could whip him in to shape?

you're still trying to push sakehydra when they are confirmed town and it's scummy as balls

[Desperado]

I don't buy SleepyKrew's commuter claim in light of all the PR's that already flipped (2X Vig, Vengeful, 3X Doc, 2 Masons, 2 neighborizers). It seems way too OP. That and he is one of the few in our POE pool that we are not reading as town.

yeah most likey

[Desperado]

4. Desperado - that scum arrogance saying he was happy with game. Feel like that's a post he wants to point back to post game. Also, the analysis free VCA.

you are seriously delusional if you think town is not in a good spot right now

[Desperado]

like, the d1 that sogoku is saying the scum played so well? it's going to hell in a hand basket because one of their mislynches just got cleared as town and the d1 vcs are fucking FULL of green text. and the real kicker is that nero/shos, nobody special, sakihydra, and saint kerrigan (all dead town) spent pretty much the entirety of d1 not voting. which means that we know for a fact that those n_m/shos wagons were scum driven.

do you see where i'm going with this? not stop pretending like me posting vcs with the names colored in a) isn't helpful and b) is scum motivated and fucking DO SOMETHING WITH THEM YOURSELF

[Desperado]

they're both scum

[Desperado]

I hate to break it to you but your PoE list is shit that has netted one scum who you didn't vote until it was obvious that he was getting lynched based on two intent to hammers. But I imagine that's by design. You at least have an opportunity to question Jason in the neighborhood but instead you are talking to him as if you are both confirmed town.

in this post: one scum lynch in three days in a large is a bad thing

i would be shocked if we started 14v5 with a vengeful AND a 2-shot vig (both of which are much more likely to hit town) so we're currently 8v3 with a fucking shitton of information available.

why are you all doom and gloom? it's fucking bizarre, and calling me scum for thinking the opposite is...wow.

[Desperado]

if jason is town (and juls' push on sogoku over their jason read looks extremely manipulative to me) it's krew/juls/oversoul

[Desperado]

Except we didn't get a link to the thread until D4 began and NS was dead N3. The neighborize action resolves at the end of the night so you are implying that we got in there, saw that NS was a mason and killed him, that isn't possible.

psssssst

juls isn't town and never has been.

[Desperado]

you are so full of shit it is not even funny

he didn't crumb a guilty on you like, he didn't post much beyond that he was going to investigate you.

he gave no results.

yaye I get to post today!

so julz who all have you neighborised? hoopla and who else

VOTE: sugorikiVOTE:

I am also of the mindset that jason is scum cos we had no way of knowing who the mason's are/were when we made the post that he is trying to paint us as scum!

you need to go read slandaar's posts again.

[Desperado]

Unvote, Vote: Feu

If that isn't some damning evidence against Feu Then I don't know how to play this game anymore.

Sugoku is next.

ns' crumbs weren't subtle. any scum actually paying attention would have recognized his sakihydra read for exactly what it was. i found them in like 30 seconds of iso'ing him when he died.

juls is fucking scum.

[Desperado]

You guys should have killed me...that's a bad slip.

Stalling...

:barf::barf::barf:

[Desperado]

vote: juls

[Desperado]

perpetual nonsense is saying things about desp that are making me paranoid about that claim too.

what kind of things could he possibly saying that would make you paranoid about my claim?

[Desperado]

(though ftr I feel it is horribly dumb if PN/Fue was scum and actually killed NS because he was a mason since he presented no threat plus they would receive major suspicion from a move that earned them... what a dead confirmed townie that presented no threat? Might be WIFOM but meh)

exactly

feu and sogoku scum had much more important shit to do than kill one of the two masons who were making less than 0 impression on the gamestate.

juls is just scum getting excited over what she thinks she can push as a slip

[Desperado]

oh also: I can't find any scum motivation for scum Juls to request a 1v1 like she's doing here. given the current gamestate, it's p obvious in a Feu v. Juls 1v1, Juls would lose. it doesn't make much sense as scum to request a 1v1 you can't win, and again, I love her conviction.

her conviction is based on a bunch of bullshit and her lynch would likely lead to a jason lynch tomorrow (think nacho >>> magenta in tales)

[Desperado]

Fuck yeah I am concerned. He was a fucking town mason who was barely playing nod got night killed. I am also town so yeah, it concerns me. There is only one reason for his night kill and that is scum knew. I was wrong about NS. Wasn't the first time I have voted a town person, won't be the last. See, it's called scum hunting. You should try it some time.

so when you're scum you look for crumbs

but you don't understand why ns might have been killed???

bullshit.

[Desperado]

@ anti: what scum power roles are interacting with a commuter?

[Desperado]

public service announcement: this is now an 11p mini theme except we have three days worth of information, lynches, and flips to work with instead of a standard rvs. the only way you could interpret this as a bad thing is if you're forcing yourself to, which is not a town response.

this is the main reason juls is scum; her conviction is totally misplaced and she is blatantly acting.

pedit: i see everything that you're saying and i still think she's scum. i don't think any of those examples are so outrageously genuine that she couldn't fake them. taken by line:

re: 329 - scum and town are equally likely to be frustrated if they feel left out and i think that her threatening to replace out multiple times but never doing so (and seemingly no trouble grasping the various hydras at this stage) is just empty now. any evidence of her feeling lost because she can't follow the various hydra discussion is gone.

re: 443 - juls had basically given up and was spending more time assuring everyone that she understood why we all thought she was scum but THIS SLOT that identified the same scummy behavior

that she was explicitly aware of

is an opportunistic scumfuck. how you could interpret this as anything but lining up a mislynch (especially given your townread on helium) is beyond me.

re: 908 - you say scum don't want to antagonize people townreading them, i say scum want to leave as many potential mislynch options open as possible and towning off all of her whiteknights because she is afraid they might turn on her would be weak scumplay.

re: 921 - scum are manipulative: tonight at 11!

re: 923 and 925 - she's still fucking here though. how does "i'm trying to have as little impact on the flow of the game as possible" turn in to her behavior today and you still call it genuine? idfgi.

[Desperado]

you're like a broken record

[Desperado]

it might just be juls/oversoul/jason. the jason wagon never got bigger than 5 despite the mason team in the middle of the wagon and feu and sogoku pushing it extremely hard AND slandaar getting run up simultaneously. slandaar never even voted which means his buddies had to either do some heavy lifting and counterwagon for him or bus him--given everything i just said i think it's pretty clear that they just bussed him.

2nd vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Slandaar (1): Desperado

Not Voting (8): Oversoul, Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

,

Hoopla

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew

if jason is town this is the juiceist mislynch opportunity to ever grace a mafia team and it never materialized. why?

juls wants you to believe that feu and sogoku are both scum, but if they are, what are their buddies waiting for? why aren't they screaming at slandaar in their qt to get off his ass and help them push their mislynch?

4th vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Slandaar

(2): Desperado,

Hoopla

Not Voting (5): Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

, Oversoul

this might be even better! slandaar is starting to get wagoned and you have two easy mislynches to push. how did we get from this position to a slandaarscum lynch if jason is town? it's inconceivable.

5th vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

, SleepyKrew

Slandaar

(4): Desperado,

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Not Voting (3): Juls,

Slandaar

, Oversoul

the moment of truth. juls wants you to believe that it's feu, sogoku, and i: does this make sense to

anyone

? i did nothing d2 except push slandaar while our designated scum mislynch stalled at 5 votes? give me a fucking break. jason is scum and juls and oversoul didn't want to bus slandaar or give too much support to a mason wagon because they'd likely already caught ns' crumb in their daytalk qt. watch what happens:

6th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(5): Desperado,

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

, SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Oversoul

7th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls, Desperado, Oversoul
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

9th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

10th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(7):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Sak

i (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special (1): Juls

Not Voting (2): SleepyKrew,

Slandaar

11th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special (1): Juls

Not Voting (3):

Slandaar

, SleepyKrew, Desperado

13th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(7):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Desperado

Final vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(8):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew, Sugoku Sugoi
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

jasonT1981 (2): Feu et Vol,

Speedy Saki

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Desperado

there is no way in hell a sogoku/feu/slandaar/??? team fumbles this situation this badly. none.

[Desperado]

Spoiler: d1 vcs

Slandaar

(4): Juls,

Hoopla

, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (2): SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol

Not Voting (13): Sugoku Sugoi,

Imperium

,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

, Desperado,

Nobody Special

, Oversoul, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki

, Perpetual Nonsense,

SaintKerrigan

,

Not_Mafia

2nd Vote Count of Day 1

Slandaar

(4): Juls,

Hoopla

, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Speedy Saki (3): SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol, Oversoul

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado

Not Voting (10): Sugoku Sugoi,

Imperium

,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki

,

Not_Mafia

3rd Vote Count of Day 1

Slandaar

(3):

Hoopla

, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Desperado (2): Desperado, Juls

Speedy Saki

(2): Feu et Vol, Oversoul

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (1): SleepyKrew
Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

4th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (3):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol

Slandaar

(3):

Hoopla

, Ser Arthur Dayne, jasonT1981
Desperado (2): Desperado, Juls

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki

,

Not_Mafia

5th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol,

Hoopla

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado
Juls (1): Ser Arthur Dayne

Slandaar

(1): jasonT1981

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul
SleepyKrew (1):

SaintKerrigan

Not Voting (9): Sugoku Sugoi,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, Juls, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki

,

Not_Mafia

6th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol,

Hoopla

SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Desperado (1): Desperado
Juls (1): Ser Arthur Dayne
Slandaar (1): jasonT1981

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not Voting (8): Sugoku Sugoi,

Slice of Life

,

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, Juls, helium-3,

Slandaar

,

Speedy Saki

7th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol,

Hoopla

Juls (3): Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi
SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Slice of Life

(1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (6):

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, Juls,

Speedy Saki

, jasonT1981

8th Vote Count of Day 1

Ser Arthur Dayne (4):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew, Feu et Vol,

Hoopla

Juls (2): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi
SleepyKrew (2):

SaintKerrigan, Not_Mafia

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense
Oversoul (1): helium-3

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Slice of Life

(1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (7):

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special

, Juls, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Speedy Saki,

jasonT1981

9th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (3): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol
helium-3 (2): Juls,

Not_Mafia

Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, SleepyKrew

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

Slice of Life

(1):

Hoopla

Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not Voting (7):

Nero Cain

,

Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Speedy Saki

, jasonT1981

10th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (4): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew
helium-3 (3): Juls,

Not_Mafia

, jasonT1981

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

Slice of Life

(1):

Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul
Oversoul (1): Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

11th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

helium-3 (2): Juls, jasonT1981

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

Slice of Life

(1):

Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Ser Arthur Dayne (1):

Imperium

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

12th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

helium-3 (3): Juls, jasonT1981, Ser Arthur Dayne
Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, Perpetual Nonsense

Slice of Life

(1):

Hoopla

Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Speedy Saki (

1): Oversoul

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

13th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (4): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

helium-3 (3): Juls, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Hoopla

Oversoul (2): helium-3,

Slice of Life

Ser Arthur Dayne (2):

Imperium

, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Not_Mafia

(1): Sugoku Sugoi

Not Voting (5):

Nero Cain

, jasonT1981,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

14th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
Oversoul (3): helium-3,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense
helium-3 (2): Juls,

Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

,

Speedy Saki

, jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan

15th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
helium-3 (2): Juls,

Hoopla

Oversoul (2):

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, helium-3,

Speedy Saki

,

SaintKerrigan

16th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls (5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew,

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
helium-3 (2): Juls,

Hoopla

Oversoul (2):

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

SaintKerrigan

(1):

Slandaar

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (4):

Nero Cain

, helium-3,

Speedy Saki

,

SaintKerrigan

17th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

, Oversoul
Juls (3): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew

Shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

helium-3 (2): Juls,

Hoopla

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (6):

Shos

,

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

, helium-3,

Speedy Saki,

Not_Mafia

18th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(4): helium-3, Oversoul, Desperado, Juls

Shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

Juls (2): Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan

helium-3 (1):

Hoopla

Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (3):

Shos

,

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

19th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(5): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

, SleepyKrew

SaintKerrigan

(4): Oversoul, Desperado,

Hoopla

, Juls

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

SaintKerrigan, shos

shos

(2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

Juls (1): Feu et Vol
SleepyKrew (1): helium-3
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (2):

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

20th Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(6): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki,

SleepyKrew,

shos

SaintKerrigan

(4): Oversoul, Desperado, Juls,

Hoopla

shos

(3): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

, helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Not Voting (3):

Not_Mafia

,

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

21st Vote Count of Day 1

Not_Mafia

(7): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

, SleepyKrew,

shos

, Juls

shos

(4): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

SaintKerrigan

(3): Oversoul, Desperado,

Hoopla

Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Juls (1): Feu et Vol

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (2):

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

22nd Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(6): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

,

Hoopla

, jasonT1981

Not_Mafia

(5): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

, SleepyKrew

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (3): Juls,

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

23rd Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(8): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

, helium-3,

Not_Mafia

,

Hoopla

, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1):

Slice of Life

Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2):

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

24th Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(8): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

,

Not_Mafia

,

Hoopla

, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls,

Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(4): Ser Arthur Dayne,

Imperium

,

Speedy Saki

, Sugoku Sugoi

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado

Slice of Life

(1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2):

Nobody Special,

SaintKerrigan

Final Vote Count of Day 1

shos

(10):

Slandaar

,

Not_Mafia

,

Hoopla

, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls,

Slice of Life

, Ser Arthur Dayne, Perpetual Nonsense,

Speedy Saki

SaintKerrigan

(2): Oversoul, Desperado

Not_Mafia

(2):

Imperium

, Sugoku Sugoi

Slice of Life

(1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):

shos

Not Voting (2):

Nobody Special

,

SaintKerrigan

Spoiler: d2 vcs

1st vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Saki

(1): jasonT1981

Not Voting (11):

Slice of Life

, Desperado,

Nobody Special

, Oversoul, Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

,

Hoopla

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew

2nd vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Slandaar (1): Desperado

Not Voting (8): Oversoul, Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

,

Hoopla

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew

3rd vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Slice of Life (1): Perpetual Nonsense
Slandaar (1): Desperado

Not Voting (7): Oversoul, Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

,

Hoopla

, SleepyKrew

4th vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Slandaar

(2): Desperado,

Hoopla

Not Voting (5): Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Slandaar

, Oversoul

5th vote count of day 2:

jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

, SleepyKrew

Slandaar

(4): Desperado,

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Not Voting (3): Juls,

Slandaar

, Oversoul

6th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(5): Desperado,

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special

, SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(3): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

, Perpetual Nonsense

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Oversoul

7th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls, Desperado, Oversoul
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

9th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki,

SleepyKrew

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,

Slandaar

10th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(7):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Sak

i (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special (1): Juls

Not Voting (2): SleepyKrew,

Slandaar

11th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(6):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special (1): Juls

Not Voting (3):

Slandaar

, SleepyKrew, Desperado

13th vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(7):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,

Speedy Saki

Speedy Saki

(2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Desperado

Final vote count of day 2:

Slandaar

(8):

Hoopla

, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,

Nobody Special

, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew, Sugoku Sugoi
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,

Slice of Life

jasonT1981 (2): Feu et Vol,

Speedy Saki

Nobody Special

(1): Juls

Not Voting (2):

Slandaar

, Desperado

[Desperado]

@desp: I like your post and agree with just about all of it but I'm confused as to what the conclusion is. while I think it's likely both the jason and Slan wagons were on scum, even if jason is town, his wagon not being run up makes sense if scum had planned to bus slandaar from the start. although I don't think that's the case given there wasn't much of a push on him D1 iirc

who do you think the scum who bussed SKrew were? overall I think SKrew's push makes a lot of sense as a bus. he was pushing jason as a counterwagon and didn't make any push on Slan at all until he was at L-2 and it feels like scum abandoning ship. (his push on jason might also make sense as a bus given he still hasn't made that case he was talking about, but that's for later)

because i don't think the scum planned on bussing slandaar from the beginning. i think they didn't know how to handle competing scum wagons on jason and slandaar so they sat back until they decided to bus slandaar.

i think it's juls/oversoul/jason. skrew would be 4th on that list.

[Desperado]

there are 3 scum left

[Desperado]

i wouldn't necessarily rule out all four scum on the shos wagon, btw. oversoul just makes more sense with the way d2 played out than sad or nonsense.

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: jason

[Desperado]

meanwhile, back in reality...

[Desperado]

jason, why didn't you vote slandaar?

you said you were too busy arguing with tweedledee and tweedledum (meaning sogoku and feu i think) but that's a pretty piss poor excuse.

[Desperado]

Jason is likely town.

Jason, please give your reads on Sugoku and Feu before.

if jason is town you need to explain how d2 happened. cuz i'm not seeing it.

[Desperado]

I want your Jason case.

[Desperado]

i'd also like to hear an explanation for why you promised a case at all if you agree with chamber's principle (the merit of which i would argue against anyway)

[Desperado]

what about oversoul then mollie?

we can lynch him first.

[Desperado]

and if you want to convince me that jason is town and f16 hydra is scum you need to explain what happened d2.

[Desperado]

@ helium: do you agree that jason scum basically clears f16 hydra?

[Desperado]

because that line about both jason and slandaar being scum but let's wagon jason so we don't get distracted is literally the only thing keeping me from being totally confident in them being town

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: oversoul

[Desperado]

Some people I haven't really interacted with SleepyKrew, SaintKerrigan, Jason, etc. I think Jason is town based on how he handled himself earlier in the day and trying to figure out the setup, although his play seemed to focus on that a a little too much for my liking. SaintKerrigan just looked awkward from what I remember.

Sleepy is more or less town based on the fluidity of his posts and tone.

Town:

Feu et Vol
Sugoku Sugoi
Imperium

Juls

SleepyKrew

Hoopla

Desperado
Jason
Speedy Saki
Nobody Special
SAD
Nero
Slandaar
Slice of Life
Helium-3

Perpetual Nonsense
SaintKerrigan
Not_Mafia

The bolded are a definite town bloc that I feel very comfortable trusting. That should be where the townbloc begins if one is ever going to form.

pedit:

That was all anti?



Well, I'll add

him

to the list then.

By the way, Zach has never run a game with Miller in it, so... Yeah.

Well this could be high level Hoopla scum play

I agree with the Shos read. I think his mo as scum is to defecate on everything in sight and just make the game unreadable. He doesn't really seem earnest with his scum reads.

Why is Skrew under so much pressure?

VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Desperado]

the post directly below it might be a good place to start

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i already told you that everything that happened at the end of the day was more convoluted than it needed to be from scum-sogoku whose mislynch attempt on jason had failed and whose buddy was going down. why would he go out of his way to criticize the wagon etc. and want a claim and then call it scummy?

none of this is scum motivated.

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yeah, given there's a 1000 post gap between the early skrew townreads and the vote, i'm not sure what's so damning about the things you quoted

generally when a townie has a townread that tumbles down into a scumread they like, interact with that person. or mention them. or anything resembling a trajectory on the read.

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attempt to diffuse the wagon until it's evident that the wagon isn't going away and then... bus at the last second.

and i'm saying sogokuscum is better than that. i don't think d2 happens the way it does if sogoku's scumteam with daytalk was in the position it was. period.

[Desperado]

if you think slandaar was town driven and not a bus, then what were the non-sogoku and slandaar scum doing?

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well, we've already got two flipped town at the beginning of the wagon. we're town and i have two townreads of varying strength on SAD and oversoul. ...and, oh look, the two sketchiest people are right at the end. right where the bus stop would be.

you can't just use the last vc and say that's when the bus stops. i'm not even voting him in that one for fucks sake.

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and why do you suppose sogoku is now bussing skrew over his claim as well?

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can we just lynch jason and if he's town i will vote sogoku with you no questions asked?

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one final thing: if you think skrew is scum why aren't you hammering him right now

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oh sad unvoted

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if you think slandaar was town driven and not a bus, then what were the non-sogoku and slandaar scum doing?

why would slandaar have been a bus?

>he's a powerful scum PR
>with slandaar's lurker status, there's the plausible deniability ("oh lol lurker lynch")
>there was a legitimate competing counterwagon

i'm not sure how you're concluding that this was a bus job

at all

. the overall landscape of the game leads me to conclude this was a classic scum wagon w/ a scum-driven town counterwagon.

because if that's the case i do not understand how sogoku and skrew's mislynch on jason with support from the mason team and two other scum available to push the wagon along did not go through.

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like your last scum in that scenario has to be perpetual nonsense, which means you think slandaar and nonsense both responded to their teammates' mislynch stalling out in favor of slandaar by...not voting and then piling on at the end of the wagon?

like i'm just not getting that. at all.

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according to your theory, there are 2 competing scum wagons (jason and slandaar). why would scum choose to bus the fucking day rolecop over whatever jason is (which couldn't possibly be any better than a day rolecop)?

if jason has any pr at all and the scum team decided that 2 shot vig, 3 shot doctor, and masons were all the town is going to get (which seems likely) then bussing obvscum slandaar over explainably scummy jason makes sense.

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like how many more town prs are you expecting?

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not if the last scum is you or feu.

how in the

fuck

are you even considering me as scum while arguing that the scum weren't bussing until it was clear they couldn't counter it?

[Desperado]

why can't i just be the desp from 169?

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are you even reading my posts anti?

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if you were you wouldn't have to ask me who i think is scum.

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Desp's 2349 is . if jason is actually town, it's setting up for another town lynch that would bring the game straight into LYLO.

/shrug, you can see it that way if you want but the point is that if jason is scum, you're conftown. if he's town, you could definitely be scum and i'd have no problem helping helium lynch you.

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Desp it's almost as if multiple days and multiple posts have happened since those first two quoted posts.

and it's almost as if you could have...identified some shit that happened during those days in those posts that made you change your townread on him

as you put him to l-1 without explanation or warning

.

[Desperado]

what the fuck are you talking about? my townread on you hinges on jason being scum. what don't you get about that?