invisible Inc. Mafia (OVER AND OUT)

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Knight cydonia

Long time no see!

[PeregrineV]

OK, since we are just confirming

/confirm

[PeregrineV]

The only requirements be that ye fine with drinking rum and ye teach yer parrot the words to that Yo Ho! Yo Ho! A Pirate's Life For Me song

The two, contrary to popular belief, are not in fact mutually exclusive.

Just skimming, but did pick up on this.

[PeregrineV]

has nasty rash outed their role yet I know it is only 4 pages but I donnae remember

Nati hasn't posted yet but he told me it be good theory to claim that we be a hated miller gladiator early on.

We be a hated miller gladiator.

Don't vig us, please, PV.

-Nati

Just don't counterclaim the other hated miller gladiator after he claims flavor and brings his cestus to show and tell.

[PeregrineV]

I'm here. Will do some reading today, but kind of not much in the mood. Any summaries or confirmed scum?

[PeregrineV]

I'm here. Will do some reading today, but kind of not much in the mood. Any summaries or confirmed scum?

not much tbh.

-MattP confirms to be in another neighborhood but wont out buddy
-poly is scum
-matt is scum
-ppl are voting me for deliberate anti-town plays

that should be a breif one of it

-ika

MattP the neighbor who won't out buddy is scum?

Vote: Poly

lol..what are you doing that's anti-town?

[PeregrineV]

proddodge

-muffin

This

[PeregrineV]

Nothing specific today guys, catchup tomorrow

[PeregrineV]

AlienBRO and PorygonZX are both scum.

When it came to Porygon, my first instinct was in fact scum, yet my second instinct was town, but I'm willing to trust your stance over mine.

Mastin, this posts seems very have-cake-and-eat-it.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, its a shitty question then.

[PeregrineV]

And, yes. Know what anti-scum has, will, and will ALWAYS continue to mean in my games?
Mason, OR, neighbor I trust enough to be

effectively

a mason. (The latter of which is the case this game.)

As long as you know there IS a distinction.

[PeregrineV]

Somewhere on 18, but I like Professor Maniac.

I don't like the Pocket.

Vote: Pocket Sunshine

[PeregrineV]

PV, I would appreciate if you stop posting one word statements... This is no school competation.. You have god damn whole thread to post whatsoever content you want..
So stop derping and start writing please... It is very frustrating to read you becuz you never say things... At least not enough to catch a point from it...

Yes, but right now I'm mostly reading and getting caught up. And I post what I think of certain posts when I get to them. Not sure I've made any points yet except that I like Professor Maniac's posts, and don't like Pockets.

[PeregrineV]

If you want links though,

Last three scum games in order of completion, top being most recent.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46097 (fantasy camp)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36900 (udesign)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25567 (kill everyone)

Last three town games in order of completion, top being most recent.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466 (xmen)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=58377 (ftl)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44900 (graveyard)

Instead of having me "read" through each one, why don't you give a brief summary of each game that characterizes your play/style in that game.

[PeregrineV]

I'll also vote/hammer Porygon, mostly for 2 reasons.

1. Acting like Cop/lover claim was legit.
2. A day that is less than

100

50 pages.

But since I'm not totally heartless, will give him V/LA time to get back.

[PeregrineV]

Somewhere on 18, but I like Professor Maniac.

I don't like the Pocket.

Vote: Pocket Sunshine

this means... you're thinking..!!!

Shhhhhh!

People gonna be start expecting it...

[PeregrineV]

Can the people voting for pocket let me know why that is? I am having mixed opinions on the slot. Still leaning town on them though.

Mine probably stems from the 401 Professor vote, which comes following his vote on Porygon, whom Sunshine was just voting (371).

Plus, 400 indicated they were reading the thread, and gave 2 scumreads (sans reasons, but their posting has been trending upwards for a while, IMO), which is more than many other players have provided.

So, all in all, the Sunshine vote was full of multiple levels of fail. And that includes the stuff in 403.

[PeregrineV]

Can the people voting for pocket let me know why that is? I am having mixed opinions on the slot. Still leaning town on them though.

Mine probably stems from the 401 Professor vote, which comes following his vote on Porygon, whom Sunshine was just voting (371).

Plus, 400 indicated they were reading the thread, and gave 2 scumreads (sans reasons, but their posting has been trending upwards for a while, IMO), which is more than many other players have provided.

So, all in all, the Sunshine vote was full of multiple levels of fail. And that includes the stuff in 403.

I can't even parse this shit.

explain

You were voting Porygon
They vote Porygon.
More stuff they did.
You vote them.

[PeregrineV]

Mollie, you have limited f2f experience with Professor. The fact you included me elsewhere says you guessed my identity wrong.

You have moderate experience with ika (Maniac).

~Professor

I'm going with the other half as Professor Fridays. Even if your not.

And the grammar cop in me appreciates your proper usage.

[PeregrineV]

I think I get what you're getting at but mind clarifying a bit?

His first instinct was that Porygon was scum, but his second instinct was that Porygon was town. It seems like he's trying to have it both ways (like having his cake while still eating it).

[PeregrineV]

Saturday post

[PeregrineV]

PV lurk

People who play mafia like a chat site think so, yes. But mostly, I don't think i do.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Porygon

Maybe L-1 or L-2 or L-3.

[PeregrineV]

Not even letting me claim? freaking idiots

Gj you guys just lynched a vt. Oh well.

Guess college really distracts someone

-ZZZX

(another day 1 lynch for no fucking reason what so fucking ever! one more to the damn record)

Read and stuff?

[PeregrineV]

Monday- back!

[PeregrineV]

Wait.

I wasn't told I would need flavor knowledge.

How would the knowledge help you?

Vote: rack

[PeregrineV]

Wait.

I wasn't told I would need flavor knowledge.

How would the knowledge help you?

Vote: rack

This, right here. See this?

This is the SCUMMIEST VOTE in the HISTORY of scummy votes. (I trust that I need not explain why.)

VOTE: PeregrineV

Nah. You can explain.

[PeregrineV]

Wait.

I wasn't told I would need flavor knowledge.

How would the knowledge help you?

Vote: rack

This, right here. See this?

This is the SCUMMIEST VOTE in the HISTORY of scummy votes. (I trust that I need not explain why.)

VOTE: PeregrineV

Nah. You can explain.

I feel like we're not going to get much on this front.

Probably right, but fighting my desire to give newbtown credit.

[PeregrineV]

Wait.

I wasn't told I would need flavor knowledge.

How would the knowledge help you?

Vote: rack

This, right here. See this?

This is the SCUMMIEST VOTE in the HISTORY of scummy votes. (I trust that I need not explain why.)

VOTE: PeregrineV

Nah. You can explain.

I feel like we're not going to get much on this front.

Probably right, but fighting my desire to give newbtown credit.

Actually, I thougth I recognized the name. From Playground mafia, lynched day1.

Code: Select all

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=21614&f=55&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=18546&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

P-edit. Yes, you said "I trust that I do not need to explain why." I said that you

can

explain why.

[PeregrineV]

Explanation: Flavor knowledge can, most often, help players figure out role/character interaction, and can be an advantage to those who know it, over those who don't. (Seriously, is this a newbie game?) PereV, just the fact that you asked for an explanation is scummy, in and of itself. Whoever else was pushing for my reasoning has either A) not played that many themed games or B) is also scum trying to downplay the flavor-advantage.

I have to 100% disagree with you. Mods don't (read shouldn't and mostly don't) make games breakable by flavor. So, it really has no bearing or effect on the game. Having played in original flavor and borrowed flavor games, both known to me and unknown to me, they are all mafia. So don't try to hide behind it and we'll all get along.

Vote: PocketSunshine

Yes, I've seen the townreads, but if anyone can explain it directly to me, that would help, because if I remember day1 correctly, I did not feel that way.

[PeregrineV]

PocketFullofSunshine trending scum as I read through this pile.

I'll belay this given other players' take.

Professor Maniac, iecerint need exploring.

Seem to recall Prof. blatantly refusing to give a read on Mastin towards the end of last phase. Iecrint kinda looks town. Except for the setup/nk spec but that was originally prof who brought it up. Then the wifom about mastin not dying for bad reads felt weird.

The hammer wasn't scummy it's null. The phase dragged on forever.

I remember Arcangel being scummy.

VOTE: Arcangel

What's the case on Alienbro again? I don't even remember him/them being in the game..

I thought Professor had a scumread on Mastin. And I thought that this was largely due to Mastin neighborhood posting. Which gave more weight to that scumread.

[PeregrineV]

I like Vezo and Professor for town. As this is almost opposite of the usual feelings I get from hydras, I'm a little worried, but pretty much not voting either one.

Rack needs to read 860 and be inspired to repeat levels of effort or be hanged. Dislike hammer immensely, but I've seen worse (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=58532)

Timeline, you people are confused. 791- hammer 799-claim

[PeregrineV]

pv, why are you voting pocket over rack?

Based on the rack I modded in Playground, he can bust out some actual useful play. I want to see that.

I also just read it more closely,

@Rack- you a hydra this time?

I don't like Pockets reads. And I don't like Pockets' complaining about the gamestate or being scumhunted. I get that it's mollie+someone else (I think), but my Mollie read tends to stick based on how she plays, and so far it says scum to me.

[PeregrineV]

Bump.

Hello?

[PeregrineV]

Hi.

Alien & Vezokain are both voting you. Is it because they are scum, or are they scum because they are voting you?

[PeregrineV]

monday post. working from home so this may be it or more later.

[PeregrineV]

town- Vezok, Professor Maniac, Inhim(I think)
weak town- BBjetskis

Need to re-read. This game is going too slow, no dynamics.

[PeregrineV]

Hi all! I'm replacing inhimishallbe. Reading up now.

Also hi perigrene and notscience!

Welcome! You might be slight town for I don't remember why.

[PeregrineV]

My role PM confirms AlienBRO as scum btw.

Like no joke lynch the shit out of them.

AP how about you explain to me how your PM says bro is scum?

I am in a neighborhood with them.

I told them we should crossclaim.

PA said they would if I went first.

I snap claimed.

PA then backpedaled out of claiming.

Want to hear from him, but dayum....

Vote: AlienBro

[PeregrineV]

OK, I started getting skimmy on page 40. Will read up for real tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

@Everyone thinking Pocket was town- I was hoping Psocket replace would let me see what your seeing, but no luck. Welcome scum-Ankamius to the game

@ProfManaic-

There is good ika and bad ika. Keep bad ika away and keep Professor in the game (I don't think it's Titus, but I have like that head better).
Is there a reason for the Prof votes besides half being ika?

[PeregrineV]

@Nik/dram/mod- V/LA this weekend.

[PeregrineV]

Back- catching up today/tonight

[PeregrineV]

I don;t have time to read now and wont be back until tonight. DO something.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: grapes

Was there a guilty or are we we just in a hurry?

L-1 or L-2 or hammer, maybe.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: grapes

Was there a guilty or are we we just in a hurry?

L-1 or L-2 or hammer, maybe.

Nah, just L-1.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: grapes

Was there a guilty or are we we just in a hurry?

L-1 or L-2 or hammer, maybe.

Because I know I just commonly jump into a daystart voting on a large wagon assuming maybe hammer but why bother reading the less than 20 posts since day started.

I did read them.

[PeregrineV]

Then why are you asking stupid questions like "Was there a guilty"?

Because maybe I missed it, but 6 votes in a row makes me want to vote. Lack of cases makes me not care, since there is nothing to look into to see if I agree or disagree.

[PeregrineV]

Then why are you asking stupid questions like "Was there a guilty"?

Because maybe I missed it, but 6 votes in a row makes me want to vote. Lack of cases makes me not care, since there is nothing to look into to see if I agree or disagree.

Besides, Grapes v Bro went nowhere yesterday.

[PeregrineV]

You should probably just stop posting now.

[PeregrineV]

I think I lost track of this game, since there are replacments that I didn't know replaced.

But, did see Ankamius is PocketSunshine.

Vote: Ankamius

I'll catch up over the next few days.

[PeregrineV]

I find it hilarious that ArcAngel and PeregrineV waited until I pointed both of them as scum to start paying any attention to me, then voting. Makes me think I'm on the right track.

It's even funnier that you've been scum for over 1000 posts.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6202804

And even longer for Angel
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6187158

[PeregrineV]

Double-big no on the Angel lynch.

didn't look at how the wagons developed yesterday- I'll go back and look at that.

[PeregrineV]

I find it hilarious that ArcAngel and PeregrineV waited until I pointed both of them as scum to start paying any attention to me, then voting. Makes me think I'm on the right track.

It's even funnier that you've been scum for over 1000 posts.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6202804

And even longer for Angel
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6187158

The 'paying attention' part is pretty important to my point. You completely ignored me until I pointed out that I was scumreading you, then you suddenly 'remembered' that I was Pocket and voted me.

I

mostly

pay attention.

I completely ignored you to give you a chance to make your own impression on me independent of Sunshine.

You did not.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

grapes (6) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius
alienBRO (3) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac
vezokain (2) - Venmar, grapes
Professor Maniac (2) - Boonskiies, vezokain
AngryPidgeon (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (2) - TeChNoWC, rack

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius,

rack

alienBRO (7) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, grapes,

Venmar, Boonskiies, vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

TeChNoWC is being replaced.

Going to look into the votes (the whys of the bolded).
If they want to volunteer the post # it would help.

[PeregrineV]

What exactly caused your thoughts on this to change?

You'll have to help me out here. What did they change from? And how are they different now?

[PeregrineV]

Professor: Why not read the damned thread. The answer is there. (P-Edit: there, now it's been quoted. DIAF.)

Pere: My reason for voting grape is in post 1322. (If you'd like further explication, just ask.)

1322
1427
So did you read the ISO? What about it made you decide grapes over AlienBro?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: grapes

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

grapes (6) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius
alienBRO (3) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac
vezokain (2) - Venmar, grapes
Professor Maniac (2) - Boonskiies, vezokain
AngryPidgeon (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (2) - TeChNoWC, rack

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius,

rack

alienBRO (7) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, grapes,

Venmar, Boonskiies, vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

TeChNoWC is being replaced.

Going to look into the votes (the whys of the bolded).

If they want to volunteer the post # it would help

.

Yeah, feeling lazy.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote

Back in a few.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: grapes

Will also lynch rack or Ankamius.

No to the Angel lynch.

Would also flashwagon Majiffy.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: grapes

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: vezokain

Looks like a bus to me.

Psst. You might be dead.

[PeregrineV]

Did AP or mastin ever claim who all was in the 'hood?

I thought one was in the hood with Professor. Mastin?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius, rack
alienBRO (7) -

ArcAngel9

, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac,

grapes

, Venmar, Boonskiies,

vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

{PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, Venmar, Boonskiies}

I think we should lynch within that pool today.

Not surprised. How about a quite rundown on why each one is scum.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius, rack
alienBRO (7) -

ArcAngel9

, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac,

grapes

, Venmar, Boonskiies,

vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

{PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, Venmar, Boonskiies}

I think we should lynch within that pool today.

Not surprised. How about a

quick

rundown on why each one is scum.

[PeregrineV]

You should really think that vote through again.

I'm going to go look at vote counts or w/e. The AlienBRO wagon Day 2 100% has more scum on it.

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius, rack
alienBRO (7) -

ArcAngel9

, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac,

grapes

, Venmar, Boonskiies,

vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

{PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, Venmar, Boonskiies}

I think we should lynch within that pool today.

{PeregrineV, Professor Maniac, Venmar, Boonskiies, vezokain}

TIL vonflare =/= vezokain

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

We kinda fucked up.
I think it's time to claim and sort some things out.

We are the doc. We protected majiffy night 1, and iecerint's replacement night 2.
Night 3 we decided to protect aa9, but neither me nor nero sent in an action.

I also suggest a massclaim seeing as most roles are out.

Can you add a "why" to each choice?

[PeregrineV]

We are the doc. We protected majiffy night 1, and iecerint's replacement night 2.
Night 3 we decided to protect aa9, but neither me nor nero sent in an action.

Well the last two are claimed prs so its rather obvious why me thinks.

Jiffy was a compromise. but we both had a town read on it so we thought "eh, maybe scum'll take a shot at that."

Yeah, more the Iec/Jiffy reasons, but Iec=mantiz=vig claim

[PeregrineV]

We are the doc. We protected majiffy night 1, and iecerint's replacement night 2.
Night 3 we decided to protect aa9, but neither me nor nero sent in an action.

Well the last two are claimed prs so its rather obvious why me thinks.

Jiffy was a compromise. but we both had a town read on it so we thought "eh, maybe scum'll take a shot at that."

And 2 people forgetting to protect the cop is

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Ankmius

in case I'm not already.


Also, I missed this:

What exactly caused your thoughts on this to change?

You'll have to help me out here. What did they change from? And how are they different now?

Changed from waiting for me to make an impression on the slot and deciding that I hadn't.

1263 was your notification that I thought Pocket/you were scummy.
1592 was the next time I looked over your ISO to see what you contributed.
I did see you managed to activate Angel, which made her mad/show her town colors.

Just know, I looked back over, and 1521 stands out, and then 1550.
1521, grapes was at L-1, and you unvoted to "see this through".
Then, after Angel and AlienBro go back and forth, me, Angel, Boon, and grapes all appear on your scumlist.

What did you want to see through?
Where did your 3 extra scumreads come from?

[PeregrineV]

So why don't you explain to me how trying to lynch a town pr is not helping the scum?

Theres this thing called lying, I hear its amazingly OP and scum can do it

I mean, maybe I'm bias 'cause I know Vezok is town but even if I didn't know that then I'd like to think I'd be less likely to vote him 'cause I mean, yeah, claiming to have not sent in an action on the person that gets killed is meh....but at the same time I have a hard time seeing scum do that 'cause it paints a HUGE target on his back. Also a game with a town cop + vig and no protection roles? WTF.

I need to do more reading but right now

06. Double-Agent Professor Maniac
08. Agent Natirasha
10. Double-Agent alienBRO
13. Agent PeregrineV
14. Agent rack
15. Agent caledfwitch
17. Agent Boonskiies

^^^^^^
is where I think scum is. But right now I'm thinking Caled is scum 'cause Techno was pretty scummy and Cale has basically done nothing but hard push on AA9 while clearly calling Grapes scum.

vote:Caled

I think AlienBRO was cleared by Angel

[PeregrineV]

I'm not seeing as actual reason for the Professor lynch. Anyone have one?

[PeregrineV]

The tl;dr on the PM case is:

1) PM was, along with AA9, one of the main people pushing the counter wagon to grapes on day 2.
2) On day 3, they started the day on grapes, but jumped ship as soon as another lynch option came up.

Let me pull up the 3 isos and look.....

[PeregrineV]

The tl;dr on the PM case is:

1) PM was, along with AA9, one of the main people pushing the counter wagon to grapes on day 2.
2) On day 3, they started the day on grapes, but jumped ship as soon as another lynch option came up.

Let me pull up the 3 isos and look.....

That shouldn't have taken you this long, given that I'm pretty sure you can read.

My point was more that links would speed it up. I not only have to read, but confirm it happened the way you stated.

[PeregrineV]

The tl;dr on the PM case is:

1) PM was, along with AA9, one of the main people pushing the counter wagon to grapes on day 2.
2) On day 3, they started the day on grapes, but jumped ship as soon as another lynch option came up.

Let me pull up the 3 isos and look.....

That shouldn't have taken you this long, given that I'm pretty sure you can read.

My point was more that links would speed it up. I not only have to read, but confirm it happened the way you stated.

Triple-ISO PM, AA9, Nikanor. This is a pretty much bullshit excuse.

You want me to vote for prof then that's what you have to wait for.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

vezokain (4) - Venmar, PocketFullofSunshine, rack, grapes
grapes (4) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, Professor Maniac
alienBRO (2) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV
rack (2) - alienBRO, vezokain
TeChNoWC (1) - Mantisdreamz
Professor Maniac (1) - BBjetskiies
AngryPidgeon (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

BBjetskiies has been prodded.

Deadline suspended until I can find a replacement for PFOS.

Quoting from private topics is forbidden.

VOTE COUNT

Professor Maniac (4) - BBjetskiies, alienBRO, vezokain, rack
vezokain (3) - Venmar, Ankamius, grapes
grapes (3) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha
alienBRO (3) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac
TeChNoWC (1) - Mantisdreamz
AngryPidgeon (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

[PeregrineV]

page top:

also UNVOTE:

i dont trust the wagons atm

someone not making sense here

I'm kind of confused how we haven't become a scum-designated mislynch yet.

Maybe its because you aren't a mislynch at all? Food for thought.

If thats the case why are you not voting him?

anyway going back with what we were first doing:

VOTE: alienbro

if hes not lynched he needs to be vigged at least

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

grapes (6) - Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Natirasha, alienBRO, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius
alienBRO (3) - ArcAngel9, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac
vezokain (2) - Venmar, grapes
Professor Maniac (2) - Boonskiies, vezokain
AngryPidgeon (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (2) - TeChNoWC, rack

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

[PeregrineV]

Enlarged votes are since the last vote count.

VOTE COUNT

grapes (7) - Majiffy,

AngryPidgeon

, Natirasha,

alienBRO

, Mantisdreamz, Ankamius,

rack

alienBRO (7) -

ArcAngel9

, PeregrineV, Professor Maniac,

grapes

, Venmar, Boonskiies, vezokain

rack (1) - vonflare

Not Voting (1) - TeChNoWC

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

Deadline set for (expired on 2014-10-09 19:27:26).

TeChNoWC is being replaced.[/color]

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Part 2- it seems grapes wagon built, but Prof was first to vote Angel.

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The tl;dr on the PM case is:

1) PM was, along with AA9, one of the main people pushing the counter wagon to grapes on day 2.
2) On day 3, they started the day on grapes, but jumped ship as soon as another lynch option came up.

1) It doesn't seem like Prof was pushing very hard for the Alien lynch. It more seemed like the last 4 votes jumped on, one of which was scum-grapes.

2) They actaulyl created the Angel wagon, but until the claim she wasn't towning it up.

All and all, none of this is wrong, but I don't think they way it was done was Prof-scum.

If, however, we don't lynch Ankamius, then I'll vote Prof to avoid a no-lynch.

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So this is the part where you vote PM

21 hours. Unless you think no one will bother coming back before deadline.

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I am completely lost as to how so many people have expressed suspicion of me and haven't explained it at all. My predecessor left two whole day phases ago and a lot of very relevant shit happened since I replaced in, so that type of argument is very weak. Go into why I'm scummier than most people in the game or just drop it.

Probably because you seem to be posting more than most, but still not saying anything.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be willing to lynch just about anybody at this point, except AlienBro. Reluctant, deadline lynches on Professor, Vezok, lesser on rack. But the rest seem to be lurking their way across the game.

If an actual wagon of lurkers were to form on you, I'd probably re-examine my stance, since I'll admit it's more legacy and gut than logic.

But, since I doubt it will, I want my current position on you on the record.

If we're both around tomorrow, I'm willing to hash out the source of any scumreads or seriously review the game and your role in it.

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Vote: Professor Maniac

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VOTE COUNT

Prof Maniac (6): AlienBRO, majiffy, Ankamius, caledwitch, rack, vezokain
Ankamius (2): Boonskiies, PeregrineV
rack (1): Mantisdreamz
Caledwitch (1): Prof Maniac

Not Voting (2) - Natirasha, Venmar

With 12 alive it's 8 to lynch.

Mantis and Vezokain Prodded

Deadline falls in (expired on 2014-11-14 16:00:00).

VOTE: Maniac

Vote: Professor Maniac

Hammer

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Just replaced in for venmar. Themed games are so much fun
While I could spend 4 hours of my time reading 82 pages in detail, and will if forced, I would appreciate some information on the current gamestate.
Any roll claims? Theme claims? Who should we be focusing on? What should I be focusing on?

I will be a much more productive player in this game if you supplement me with the important things I missed. Don't worry about tells and stuff. I'm mostly interested in major events and claims.

Welcome!

Angel claimed cop, Vezo claimed doc, I think Mantis claimed vig, Angel cleared AlienBro. I think there are some neighbors too, or something. Mods are Dram & Nik, so if you iso, look at both.

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So I was looking forward to reading boonskies ISO, and coming back with an extraordinary case of why he's scum, but I'm not convinced.
His only crimes are being indecisive about his votes and a lack of serious scum hunting. How is his activity?

What's the deal with this new caled wagon forming. Am I missing something?

Who knows?

You might start with a grapes iso.

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Since I've been unreadable and very inactive this game, i believe I should claim now, and draw the NK for tonight. I'm a hack blocker, I believe. Last night I blocked Ankamius. Before that, ArcAngel, to see if the cop claim was real. Bad choice I guess. My role pm was given on the hydra account I was originally in on this on the hydra account, but it kind of fell to pieces. I'm unsure if Molla/Espressojet put any actions during the other nights, as they were more active than I. Sending that out now, so I can just be a NK. My role isn't that helpful anyways, as I haven't been entirely active in this game, and am entirely unable to read people.

You said you blocked Angel to "see if her claim was real".? How would anything be confirmed?

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Checking out racks ISO. Kind of flew under the bus both days, and there might be a reason for that

*hint* *hint*

What about grapes ISO? You know, the flipped scum?

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I read grapes ISO but did t post at that time. I think it points to rack, so will probably be voting him once I recheck me grapes ISO.

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Okay, well. I'm hack blocker.

@Pere - If she would have lived, and said she investigated someone and got a 'result', I would have called her out.

If I was scum, I would have been so much more into this game. My hydra account, BBjetskiies would have been far more active if we were scum, as Espressojet and I both tend to spam up threads as scum.

Really suboptimal if she was the cop. Which she was.

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I read grapes ISO but did t post at that time. I think it points to rack, so will probably be voting him once I recheck me grapes ISO.

Yeah, now I remember.

Vote: Rack

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@dram

- I don't think Majiffy is playing any more. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6375639

@Boon

- make a case, place a vote

@Nati

- make a case, place a vote

Alternately, just vote rack.

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peregrine why cant we vote boonskiies and make this town a better place

Do you have an actual boonskies case? Really crappy decisions as a PR is one reason, but I'd prefer you show him to be fakeclaiming or tied to grapes or some other solid scumtell. Otherwise, Boon will only be a deadline lynch.

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Fine. VOTE: rack

My joy. It is boundless.

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Me, too.

Am I lynched?

I think you have 2 or 3 votes.

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Still here. Short day but will be back.

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Sunday be back tomorrow

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Looks like I got 3 votes.

<insert defense here>

Surprised all of the PR claims are still alive, given that they are all claimed PRs. I'll go back over Goblin/pre-Goblin later.

VezoNero- who did you protect last night?

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VOTE: Boonskiies

PV is qt. Could be scum.

I am a Cutie?

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TBF, all of Caled, PV and nati are coasting.

I still don't think that Dram should tell you that a player is dead 'cause while boneheaded, its HELPING you with your night actions.

I'd be ok with pling Boons at this point 'cause he's target two players that died the same night he targeted them and then wasted his action on an already dead player.

My days of trying to squeeze the last bit of toothpaste from an empty (or absent) tube are gone (ok, maybe not gone, since it's still frustrating, but they are a-waning).

You want to talk, let's talk.

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Against a Bro lynch. Mostly against a Quil lynch.

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Against a Bro lynch. Mostly against a Quil lynch.

Still this.

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Prod dodge

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I'm for optimal play at this point- there has been little of it so far.

Vote: No lynch

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thats not optimal play though

With 18 players, and the fact that 3 mafia would mean the game would be over, it has to be 2 or 1 mafia, and 3 total mafia for 18 player game is not balanced, so it has to be 4. Which means 4:2 = mylo.

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The Ank NK also makes me want to push p5. He was pushing Caled earlier, but right before he was NK'd he was pushing p5.

Would love to see this sort of analysis expanded to cover the other 6 NKs.

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So penguin is completely AWOL still, and I haven't had time to do any of the rereading I want to do. No guarantee that I will.

A huge part of me wants to vote p5 for the NL vote (among a ton of other things), but I'm gonna hold off on making that push. Caled having no urgency in defending him/herself is also pretty bad.

Sort of like this entire game, really.

See 2355.

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Also, limited access over the holidays.

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Back from VLA today. Will catch up over the next few days.

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Ugh. I just wish I had shot PV.

I would have lynched you over Nati in a heart beat.

I wish you would have too.

But, logically, you can't be scum and the game still be going on.

If you are SK, then congrats. If your town, then congrats.

Vote: Quilford

If you can point out why this logic fails in a manner that doesn't require me to re-read the whole game, you are welcome to it.

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I'd sorta like him to post first actually.

I'll answer any questions but unless you're SK, I win no matter what.

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How do you figure?

If I get lynched, you shoot Quil, we win. But, he also shoots you, and one of us has to be alive. So, nevermind.

No lynch might be better, but seems really countintuitive, even given that a town vig exists. You would be stuck with the exact same choice you have now.

Better to make it now.

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Also, AA9.

The assessment that all of the power played this game horribly is pretty much spot on. Vig slot was the only one that wasn't completely terrible in how it played, and even then there was the Ank shot that made 0 fucking sense.

Vig was awesome in the town shots. I was really surprised by the fact that Natrisha died, but I figured out quickly why when I roleblocked the former vig, but not the current vig.

lol

Also, you can really tell in the scum QT that some people REALLY hate being mafia.

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i am in shock about how long mafia lasted
we were so obvscum wtf

Yeah, this. If I didn't take every opportunity to bus, I should have. But, that just makes the game longer and leads to lylos like this.

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Did we ever get the mafia QT or did they not want to put it out?

I'm ok with it's release, if anyone is still checking/caring.