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Post Post #4964 (isolation #200) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:26 am

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In post 4962, Catbug wrote:
In post 4960, Antihero wrote:etl, why can i get rid of ceph?

read the very beginning of his ISO. he was replacing HD, who had a shitty wagon on him that formed because "lolwagon!" and no one had anywhere to look, apparently. he read the whole shitfest of a thread, and posted his thoughts. go read those thoughts.


You're town reading him because he bothered to play the game after replacing into a scummy slot. :roll: And it's not like he had some extraordinary reads. IIRC most of them were pretty in line with the general opinion at the time.
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Post Post #4968 (isolation #201) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:37 am

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In post 4966, Catbug wrote:anyone can post a catch up. if you can't see that i'm townreading for the way he did it, the tone in which he did it, and the manner of his comments, rather than just the fact that it was done, then i'm going to assume you are purposely simplifying it in order to discredit the read.


I'm not a telepath so, obviously, I can't just "see" what you saw in his tone and approach that made you town read him. It's nothing I haven't seen scum do before.

His tone and attitude has also changed a lot since his catchup. What do you make of it?
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Post Post #4971 (isolation #202) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:52 am

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In post 4967, Catbug wrote:i mean this is pretty common sense. so if you were town, you would have told me the catch up wasn't that townie to you, if you really disagreed with me. instead you seek to reduce the efficacy of my read.

:roll: Well, you got the message. I don't agree with you because I don't think his catchup was indicative of a town alignment, so? There's no way to say this without you not feeling like I'm discrediting your read, because I'm simply saying I don't think it has any credit.

Catbug wrote:
this is the last interaction i'm having with you right now. i'm not getting into a walling war with you. i'm not interested in it,
i have no intention to "change your mind", and i have no desire to let you change mine.

You're really fucking dense. But thanks for being clear. I can stop wasting my time trying to COOPERATE WITH MY STRONGEST TOWN READ!
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Post Post #4973 (isolation #203) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:00 am

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Hey mastin, I don't care. For all I know PV is town to and you don't care which of us you get lynched. You've been salivating for reasons to push for my lynch since the beginning and the only thing you had was PoE, you couldn't even find anything in my play to push me. Luckily for you I claimed something you could twist into a reason to vote me, and again it wasn't supported by my play but by setup and role speculation.
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Post Post #4974 (isolation #204) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:03 am

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In post 4972, mastin2 wrote:
Town basically NEVER fakeclaims in order to dig their way out of a situation. Ever. You, apparently, were leaving the option open. And I can't see anyone other than scum thinking that way.

I WASN'T. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!
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Post Post #4977 (isolation #205) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:13 am

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mastin, you'll never be conftown.
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Post Post #5001 (isolation #206) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:35 pm

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In post 4997, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Nope! Never desp. Snow tomorrow.

Nope, tomorrow's going to be cloudy with a chance of precipitation.
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Post Post #5048 (isolation #207) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:53 am

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In post 5043, BROseidon wrote:Something's really off.

That NK makes 0 sense in the current gamestate.

Kind of funny how you're the one pointing that out...

Catbug wrote:
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please don't claim your most recent broomie. I almost wish you hadn't named Snowstorm, because he didn't mention anything about it or you until you brought it up. I checked.

I don't know what you're implying here, but you're wrong. I mentioned it first thing in the day.
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Post Post #5049 (isolation #208) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:58 am

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Speaking of it. I used the broom on Desp... even though I wasn't so sure about him being town I thought, "well, I doubt he'll get NK'ed!" -_-
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Post Post #5051 (isolation #209) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:18 am

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In post 5050, Catbug wrote:
In post 5048, SnowStorm wrote:I don't know what you're implying here, but you're wrong. I mentioned it first thing in the day.

Show me? I didn't see anything about it. And when people kept saying how they thought Toog was scum, you didn't say anything. I was the only one defending him. In fact, I had no inkling whatsoever you were the other broomie until he said so.

Why weren't you supporting what we both supposedly knew? I'm pretty sure it was obvious as fuck that I was involved. But you didn't say anything or back me up at all
until
Toog revealed that you were the N1 target by asking you if you received it.

You didn't say anything about it all D2 and all D3, until it became an issue when PV started asking about it.

p-edit:.... Ok? Why are you claiming that?


In post 3477, SnowStorm wrote:This feels like Christmas morning! The gifts could be better though. :/

It was after Toog claimed his broom business and in the day before he said he had something for me. So that was me signaling him that I got it. I thought it was actually pretty obvious to everyone else if they could up 2 and 2 together.

What are you talking about? Toog has never been under real danger. And if I'm going to defend him it's not because he has that role, because I do not think it conftowns him, but because of how he's played it.

I claimed it because I saw no reason not to.
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Post Post #5055 (isolation #210) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:33 am

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In post 5052, Catbug wrote:Alright. I must have missed that post. I think the role conftowns him, at least the one that I got certainly does.


It most likely does, or should. And I say this now, because I just thought, if he was scum he'd be the last scum I'd want to lynch and I really don't think I'd lynch him at LyLo, so yeah...
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Post Post #5211 (isolation #211) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:46 pm

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In post 5155, Antihero wrote:so... why is snowstorm holding back right now?

I don't see any benefit in revealing what my broom did.

In post 5181, BROseidon wrote:
Perhaps scum are feeling comfortable with the current gamestate and
trying to remove players with the most potential to change the gamestate?

How does that fit Desp??
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Post Post #5233 (isolation #212) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:12 pm

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In post 5222, BROseidon wrote:
In post 5219, Toogeloo wrote:BRO, get over your blazing ego. I am willing to put the paranoia aside and call you town. Paranoia is a large part of my game breakdown.


There's a difference between paranoia and ignoring fundamentals of the game, though.

Calling a claimed vig with a confirmed dead target possible scum is the latter, not the former.


Vigs can be scum too. And Pidgey wasn't exactly possible scum by the end of day 1, more like a possible disctraction/annoyance, but still town.
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Post Post #5235 (isolation #213) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:17 pm

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In post 5227, mastin2 wrote:
ETL, I'm not going to pester you more than once on this. I want no elaboration. Just a simple yes or no. Because Toog's deeply worrying me right now. So being blunt, and asking for honesty: is it *possible* that brooms could come from scum? Just that, nothing more. (Well, nothing more you're uncomfortable saying, at least.) But I could really use an answer.

I'm not ETL, but I can and have answered this. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? NO.
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Post Post #5239 (isolation #214) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:37 pm

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In post 5238, Catbug wrote:
In post 5235, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 5227, mastin2 wrote:
ETL, I'm not going to pester you more than once on this. I want no elaboration. Just a simple yes or no. Because Toog's deeply worrying me right now. So being blunt, and asking for honesty: is it *possible* that brooms could come from scum? Just that, nothing more. (Well, nothing more you're uncomfortable saying, at least.) But I could really use an answer.

I'm not ETL, but I can and have answered this. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? NO.

Not mine. Mine definitely could not in any universe ever have come from scum.


Not even if the mod was feeling a little evil? Or would that be considered bastard and thus impossible in this game? I ask because there's nothing in the PM that says it came from town or that it couldn't come from scum. It's all setup spec.

(I think this whole conversation is pointless though. As I said, I'd never support a Toog lynch.)
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Post Post #5246 (isolation #215) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:20 pm

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In post 5242, mastin2 wrote:
I 'crumbed a ton.
Left so many red herrings.
How could they figure it out?

Smart scum would ignore all your crumbs and assume there was a 50% chance you'd use any of those actions. It makes sense that out of the two they'd sabotage the one that would clear you.
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Post Post #5305 (isolation #216) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:23 pm

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In post 5270, Catbug wrote:
In post 5239, SnowStorm wrote:Or would that be considered bastard and thus impossible in this game?

This is what I strongly believe. This game was not advertised as bastard, and the fact that we were not allowed to use the Friendly Neighbor as scum in the last game affirms that for me. Allowing the broom I received to come from scum would make it bastard.


Ok, that makes sense.
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Post Post #5306 (isolation #217) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:26 pm

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Mastin, when I was pushing for Ceoh's lynch, you said you had something to say about him which you didn't say because you didn't want to push his lynch. Now that you've fully opened yourself to the idea of scum-CEph, could you tell us what it was that you were holding back?
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Post Post #5307 (isolation #218) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:36 pm

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In post 5274, Antihero wrote:snowstorm is probscum

the ascetic claim is sketch. the reads evolution on mastin (and everyone else for that matter) is shit. and the selective stonewalling on what
exactly
he did to desp is a pile of shit too because desp is dead and we all know toog gives out brooms (there's no apparent reason to hold back).

Why do you want me to reveal what my broom did? How would that help with anything?
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Post Post #5324 (isolation #219) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:13 am

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In post 5319, Antihero wrote:
so, you'll claim WHO you targeted but not WHAT? that makes no sense.

you want to know why i want a full claim? because i'm looking back at your activity at the tail end of yesterday and i'm wondering what action you could've possibly had that possessed you to target desp.

was it investigative? why didn't you target mastin? that read was all kinds of fucked up yesterday and when i asked you about her, you didn't seem to know your ass from a hole in the ground. i'd think that would be the top investigative priority.

was it protective? well, obviously not. desp is dead.

did it interact with the sabo at all? why didn't you target catbug, who was, you know, complaining of FAILING ACTIONS.

i'm asking because i don't believe you. not for a second.

you're scum.

Toog knows what my broom did. Catbug should have a guess and whoever got the third one should probably have one too. Toog is basically conftown, Catbug is my my strongest town read and unless that third broomie is scum, scum don't have access to any broom related info. That's why I'm not telling you anything.

I only revealed that I targeted Desp to let it be known that I used it.
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Post Post #5326 (isolation #220) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:53 am

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In post 5325, Catbug wrote:snow that's lame bullshit. how do you know scum don't have access to broom related info?

snow is scum and displaced is scum. also marquis.


Do you think they have?
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Post Post #5328 (isolation #221) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:05 am

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Ok, fine.

My broom (which was actually called a "Sweeper") removed any sabotages my target may have had in their non-digital abilities.

I targeted Desp, because he had claimed a failed action. I didn't target Catbug because I thought they were more likely to get NK'ed.
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Post Post #5333 (isolation #222) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:13 am

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In post 5331, Cephrir wrote:Not really sure what makes sweeping someone who's had a failed ability particularly makes sense assuming I understand the mechanic correctly. But meh, that's not really a big point anyway.

How does it not make sense?
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Post Post #5338 (isolation #223) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:28 am

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In post 5334, Cephrir wrote:What makes him more likely to get sabbed twice?

The fact that he is a JOAT.

In post 5335, Cephrir wrote:Also, despite your alleged scumread, why the fuck would anyone not hit the claimed friendly neighbor with that ability

My broom only worked on
non-digital
abilities, otherwise I would have probably used it on mastin.
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Post Post #5363 (isolation #224) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:29 am

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Can't scum only sabotage JOAT abilities?
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Post Post #5420 (isolation #225) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:06 pm

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In post 5417, Cephrir wrote:I am forever doomed to have defenders who suck at articulating their thought processes regarding me.

You haven't really given them much to work with...
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Post Post #5555 (isolation #226) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:22 am

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In post 5551, BROseidon wrote:I hate you all and this pissing contest needs to stop.
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Post Post #5583 (isolation #227) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:05 pm

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In post 5578, Catbug wrote:
MASTIN. STOP IT. NOW.

please.
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Post Post #5697 (isolation #228) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:56 am

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In post 5691, notscience wrote:
In post 5686, sangres wrote:what is it you're getting at, notsci?


That I've been blatantly ignored most of the day by jsut about everyone

hell I could claim scum and it wouldn't matter

I haven't claimed and yet everyone else is 'CLAIM IN THE NEXT POST OR DIE'

And I said before that I agreed re; that thought process but apparently it's only you guys bro and mastin so /shrug


So... what are you waiting for?
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Post Post #5698 (isolation #229) » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:04 am

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In post 5692, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5690, Toogeloo wrote:Tinfoil hat suggests to me that mastin and twie were distancing a few pages ago. Something about that whole exchange just seemed orchestrated to me, and as a result suddenly no one seems to be clamoring for a twie claim anymore and are even saying he's town at this point.

I find it odd that I have just claimed that I hand out abilities to clear sabotages, and not a single person has stated that they have sabo'd abilities on a day that the majority of players have decided will be a mass claim day.

We're supposed to know when we have a sabotaged ability?


No, unless you're mastin. :roll:

- - I think toog just means failed actions, which could be the result of a successful sabotage.
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Post Post #5871 (isolation #230) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:52 pm

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In post 5822, TheWayItEnds wrote:Huh.

Maybe continued mass claim unconfuses me then.

Because someone digitally targeted you D1.

And I was assuming it was the digital sabotage.

What digital sabotage?


Why is beast claiming the same thing as Titus?
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Post Post #5873 (isolation #231) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:17 pm

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In post 5872, mastin2 wrote:
In post 5871, SnowStorm wrote:Why is beast claiming the same thing as Titus?
Either because it's his real role and Titus somehow knew/guessed it, or because he's scum.

Probably the former. (Because the latter would be refuging in audacity so hard that I don't think even beast would do it.)


How would Titus guess both the same ability and flavor? And why didn't he say anything when she claimed it or when she hinted at it? OR why didn't he target her N1?
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Post Post #5874 (isolation #232) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:18 pm

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It's not even a JOAT ability, so Titus couldn't even know it existed let alone guess the flavor of it.
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Post Post #5876 (isolation #233) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:24 pm

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I don't know. I just find this really weird.
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Post Post #5879 (isolation #234) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:03 pm

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Se had been soft-claiming that since the start of the game...
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Post Post #5881 (isolation #235) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:16 pm

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Idk, but I don't think she soft-claimed the flavor. It's still pretty weird though. Even if there's a flavor cop involved, what would be the chances of them targeting precisely the player who had the role she was soft-claiming?

WTH is going on with this game?
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Post Post #5882 (isolation #236) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:17 pm

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The weirdest part is that I can't think of a reason why you'd claim the same role your dead scum partner fake claimed either.
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Post Post #5883 (isolation #237) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:19 pm

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But then if you're not scum, how did she have access to your role information?
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Post Post #5890 (isolation #238) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:14 pm

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In post 5885, beastcharizard wrote:Can you pull up these soft-claims or whatever? I can't find them and since I missed them the first time chances are I am missing them still.

Keyword: Lonely.

Spoiler:
In post 65, Titus wrote:I am lonely.
VOTE: Mastina

In post 300, Titus wrote:Maybe I won't be lonely tonight.

I am surprised how Toog is townreading me. Monkeys at typewriters make more content than me.

In post 452, Titus wrote:
In post 450, mastin2 wrote:Oh, heck with it.
Someone else might have been better to do it.
But I entirely lack subtlety. Didn't even mean to, but I think I slipped anyway.

It might be shooting myself in the foot, since it makes me a less favored nightkill, and I can just TELL that this is going to be a game where I am really obvtown but my reads really, really suck, and thus shooting me thinking I'm a PR would put me out of my misery and I'm about to prevent it, but if it's gonna happen, might as well be from a reliable source.

I'm a VT. I'm not called a VT, though. How I'm not called a VT is knowledge best left undisclosed, since some other VT (who comes under suspicion) will be able to divulge how.


But I thought you were going to stop me from being lonely.

In post 536, Titus wrote:
In post 534, sangres wrote:
In post 529, Titus wrote:@BBMolla/Nacho

Turn down for what!


I need my friend.


I'm not Nacho but I'll have to do for now.

What does this mean?


Ask Nacho. Can't explain to anyone who wasn't at MoS's meet.

In post 551, Titus wrote:
In post 546, BBmolla wrote:
In post 529, Titus wrote:@BBMolla/Nacho

Turn down for what!


I need my friend.

?


MoS was lonely.

Now I am.

In post 1024, Titus wrote:
In post 990, sangres wrote:
In post 529, Titus wrote:@BBMolla/Nacho

Turn down for what!


I need my friend.

hey gorgeous, what would you like from me?
i noticed you said "you never sheep anyone because no one ever sheeps you" but i also can't remember a time when you ever sheeped me on the forum. if you can quote me the time, you have my vote for the day but not my voice. if you can't, i expect your vote but not your voice.


Nacho, I want your help to not be lonely like MoS and explain that to FFery.

What do you mean by quote the time? It is an idiom I am not familiar with.

In post 1492, Titus wrote:Mastina, are you claiming vt because you're lonely? *bats eyelashes*

In post 1585, Titus wrote:
In post 1532, Venmar wrote:
In post 1506, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1504, zMuffinMan wrote:Tbh I think you're a scum goon with a VT role pm capitalising on the sample role PMs to act like you have no clue that scum know what a VT PM looks like when we both know that's not true
I would preface this with "if you seriously believe that, then", but I already know you do, so I can skip the formality and just say it:
Fuck you.
Legitimately, seriously.
Fuck you.

And there is nothing more to say on it than that.

To be fair, your crumbs were and are super strange. It's almost as if they were crumbs within crumbs, they crumbing something themselves. Makes it hard to believe.


That's the essence my crumbs.

In post 2077, Titus wrote:@Nacho, What if I am lonely?

In post 3332, Titus wrote:I am not sure. I am the kid of an employee. No real suggestion as to whether or not I hate my parents.

In post 3541, Titus wrote:I am a lonely mason. I have been looking for my partner. I crumbed it to Nacho and Molla given they were at the meet.

In post 3542, Titus wrote:I visited Muffin bc Nacho and Molla made it clear they were not my mason buddies if I have one.

In post 3574, Titus wrote:
In post 3573, Catbug wrote:Yeah I don't care about your flavor.

It doesn't matter anyway. You said you targeted muffin with some.. mason... thing... and MattP says you targeted him with a kill.

And muffin is dead.



I was looking to see if Muffin was my mason buddy. I do not get how that wasn't clear or how you are dense.

Scum happened to kill muffin. Muffin was pretty obviously town.
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Post Post #5891 (isolation #239) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:16 pm

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Did you crumb anything Beast?
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Post Post #5893 (isolation #240) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:22 pm

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Well, that doesn't help.

Did you really miss ALL those crumbs from Titus? Did you never realize she had the same role as you until she claimed it?
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Post Post #5921 (isolation #241) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:57 am

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In post 5915, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:i dont believe he's THAT stupid

Well... he did kill his scum partner in the first night of X-Men...
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Post Post #5924 (isolation #242) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:01 am

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In post 5920, mastin2 wrote:
In post 5918, Catbug wrote:that is bad logic.
No, it's not.

There's only two scenarios.
Beast is town, and Titus somehow knew beast's flavor D1. (There are multiple ways this could have happened. Among them being? Titus claimed the role D1, but didn't claim the flavor until D2, meaning it's possible she didn't know it D1 even though she may have known and/or guessed the role was in the game D1. Needless to say, there are a ton of probable--not just possible, actual probable, likely things that could happen--scenarios where beast is town and Titus knows his role.) In which case, we do
not
lynch beast. The beast wagon is something scum will love to eat up.

Or beast is scum, claiming Titus's flavor. Beast is therefore likely a GOON (same as her), not a mafia power role, and the mafia power roles are elsewhere. In which case, there is a VERY high chance that the claim being made is one that is meant to serve as a distraction. Who would it serve as a distraction from? Oh, yeah. The guy who just lost two or three votes on him, Cephrir. Who most likely is very much a scum power role.

Beast is either town or a sacrificial lamb. I refuse to believe that he is scum and anything other than that.

What are you arguing exactly? Your conclusion is that he's either town or scum, which is pretty :igmeou: . But you seem to be implying that even if he's scum you wouldn't want to lynch him because he'd just be a sacrifice to protect a partner and so you'd rather look for the partner?
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Post Post #5926 (isolation #243) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:03 am

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In post 5922, mastin2 wrote:(Really, it's not that hard.
If given the choice between lynching someone who is near-certain scum and has no way of proving their role...
...Compared to someone you simply believe is scum that if NOT scum HAS a way of proving their role...
You lynch the former, not the latter.

If beast is town, he can prove it. So lynching him is a Very Bad Idea.)

Which one is beast?? My guess would be the first one, but that wouldn't match your line of thought...
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Post Post #5933 (isolation #244) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:14 am

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You're arguing Beast could be scum and if so he's being offered to us on a silver platter. Why the fuck would we not lynch him? Oh, because he's protecting big boss Ceph, so we should lynch Ceph instead. Wait, but Beast is also more likely to be town, so yeah, lets just lynch Ceph all the same, because he's obvscum.... Does this make any sense to you?
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Post Post #5958 (isolation #245) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:01 am

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In post 5955, mastin2 wrote:
Plus, FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY.
EVEN ASSUMING BEAST WAS UNAWARE OF TITUS'S CLAIM AS SCUM, WHERE'S HIS SCUM MOTIVE?


He claimed because we're massclaiming! That's the motive!
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Post Post #5977 (isolation #246) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:53 am

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In post 5968, mastin2 wrote:
In post 5958, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 5955, mastin2 wrote:
Plus, FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY.
EVEN ASSUMING BEAST WAS UNAWARE OF TITUS'S CLAIM AS SCUM, WHERE'S HIS SCUM MOTIVE?

He claimed because we're massclaiming! That's the motive!
Where's his scum motivation in claiming THAT role.

Now, assuming you have an answer to that, explain how Titus had a scum motive for using THAT role as well, with them as scumbuddies.

Because there is no fucking scenario that isn't convoluted and contrived as HELL where beast is unaware of Titus's claim and uses it himself. All require BIG FUCKING HUGE leaps in logic that people are ignoring.

Idk what's their motive to claim that particular role, but the fact is they did. We're disscussing the scenario where Beast was unaware that Titus had claimed it. If this role is one of the provided fake claims it is entirely plausible that unaware beast would claim it, and we know that because the only flipped scum claimed that same role.
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Post Post #5980 (isolation #247) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:00 pm

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In post 5969, mastin2 wrote:
In post 5959, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 5956, mastin2 wrote:I'll die before I let him be lynched.
Thankfully you don't have to be on beast's lynch to actually get him lynched. We can work something out about you being lynched afterwards though.
WHEN (and I DO SAY WHEN, NOT IF!) beast flips town, you guys owe me.

YOU.
ALL.
FUCKING.
OWE
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Me.


We do not owe you anything. This is not about you being right or wrong; this is not about us listening to you or ignoring you. This is about beast's claim, which we are currently discussing.
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Post Post #5981 (isolation #248) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:04 pm

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Mastin, a vote on a scum partner is not necessarily a bus...
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Post Post #6024 (isolation #249) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:17 am

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In post 6007, TheWayItEnds wrote:No.

The sabocheck will only see Digital Sabotages.


Digital sabotages = sabotages made on digital abilities. No? It doesn't make sense for there to be a night sabotage action that affects only digital abilities. It is clear in the first page that the scum have only one sabotage during the day. Sabotage is not a role, it's a mechanic. A night sabotage would have to be a role, or scum would be able to kill+sabotage+use an ability on the same night, it seems too much. It would just be messy and confusing to have a night sabotage. It goes against what is know about the mechanics of the game for no reason. This is why we have roleblocks and ascetics in the game. It achieves the same results as the sabotaging and it doesn't go against the known mechanics of the game.
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Post Post #6025 (isolation #250) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:19 am

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It also seems odd for there to be a digital sabotage but not a non-digital sabotage.
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Post Post #6026 (isolation #251) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:23 am

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The only thing that's making me consider this multiple sabotage theory is the brooms, as they can clear sabotages done during the same night it is used.
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Post Post #6030 (isolation #252) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:33 am

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I didn't notice that about Desp's role.

I guess what I'm finding weirder in all this is how Way is claiming that his abilities target digitally sabotaged abilities and not sabotaged digital abilities. They're basically the same thing, only that the first implies there is a digital sabotage while the second fits with the regular sabotage that we've been told about.

Pedit:

I'm not sure. The only thing I know is that there's got to be at least one scum in that group. In fact I'd say one of mastin and Ceph is scum, beast just got caught in the middle and could go either way.
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Post Post #6065 (isolation #253) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:18 am

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In post 6031, Catbug wrote:I wanna know what you think about them individually. Like what comes to mind for each.

I just told you, I'm not sure and I couldn't just briefly explain my thoughts on them individually. I'll try to do that later.

In post 6032, mastin2 wrote:
In post 5996, Toogeloo wrote:"beast can't be that stupid, and scum have access to certain abilities that were able to get his role exactly on day 1, and they were planning on claiming masons with him when the other mason is probably in play somewhere, and they couldn't actually confirm themselves because they aren't really masons."
Or, far more simply,
Scum knew his ability was in the game, but not who it belonged to. Titus, KNOWING SHE WAS CONFSCUM AND GOING TO GET LYNCHED (you are conveniently ignoring this quite important fact; scum claiming role info is SCUM claiming role info), fished.

Nobody is ignoring anything. You're just twisting facts to fit your arguments. Titus was only confscum after Matt revealed his result. She claimed what she had been blatantly crumbing since the start of the game. I doubt she was planning on becoming confscum and that she planned her claim with that in mind. And why would she not claim it? Or why would she claim anything else?

In post 6033, mastin2 wrote:
It's a self-targeting GLOBAL action. As in, I get a list of every (digital? Don't remember off the top of my head) action taken during a night (but not who was targeted), similar to TWIE's ability of globally seeing every player targeted but not by what action.

I used it N2.
You know.
The night there was doubt about pidgey's ability being real.

Fuck yes they're going to sabotage an ability that can CONFIRM PIDGEY'S ABILITY AS EXISTING, and thus making him conftown.

So, your role usage and its presumed sabotage was all about Pidgey? I can't even describe what I think about this, but I just can't believe that you'd use it with confirming Pidgey's role as your primary reason. Mostly because I don't think there was that much doubt about Pidgey's claim. Then, that role could possibly confirm more than just Pidgey, who was already pretty town. Yet, you're saying scum sabotaged you because they didn't want Pidgey to become conftown, which is even weirder than you claiming to use the role to confirm Pidgey. If they did sabotage you, it wouldn't be to prevent Pidgey from becoming conftown, but to hide their own actions and prevent other town players' roles from becoming confirmable, Pidgey's role not being confirmed would be collateral. Because I also don't think they'd have been able to go through with a Pidgey mislynch on day 3.
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Post Post #6066 (isolation #254) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:23 am

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Do we have a list of the failed abilities for each night?
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Post Post #6067 (isolation #255) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:40 am

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In post 6043, TheWayItEnds wrote:
The day sabotage is non digital.

The night sabotage is digital.

That makes sense to me.

I thought the day sabotage worked on both types.


Waitwaitwaitwait.

Lets look at the Sabotage part in the rules:
In post 1, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Sabotaging

In this game, there will be a large number of town Jack of all Trades roles with 1-shot abilities. The mafia team will have a list of all 1-shot abilities available to the town and this list will be updated continuously as abilities are used and players die.
The mafia will have
a factional "Sabotage"
ability that they may use every
Day
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The sabotage action will target one of the abilities on their list of known town abilities. When the targeted ability is used, it will be roleblocked as a result of being sabotaged.
There will be other individual (non-factional) actions that can sabotage abilities in various ways.

There is only one factional sabotage ability and it is a day action. BUT there are roles which can sabotage abilities aswell. These are roles, not a second factional sabotage. There's nothing that says the factional sabotage can't target digital abilities, in fact it says it can, since every 1-shot ability (digital or not) is in the list of abilities which can be sabotaged.

OK, so it is possible, that there's a digital saboteur in the scum team, someone who can sabotage digital abilities during the night. There could also be a second individual saboteur who can only target non-digital abilities. It's not just possible, the post confirms there ARE more sabotages.
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Post Post #6070 (isolation #256) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:54 am

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What's the difference?
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Post Post #6072 (isolation #257) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:59 am

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I wouldn't expect them to be unlimited. It functions like an ability, it's not factional.
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Post Post #6085 (isolation #258) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:45 pm

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In post 6083, mastin2 wrote:
Swear to god, it's moments like this where I feel like I'm literally the only fucking person who is actually bothering to think and is actually fucking reading the game while doing so.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x1000
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Post Post #6102 (isolation #259) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:49 am

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We're in the middle of massclaiming. You can claim.
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Post Post #6133 (isolation #260) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:15 am

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Hi, welcome, claim please! We've been waiting ages for your slot to claim. (We're massclaiming).
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Post Post #6220 (isolation #261) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:58 am

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Catbug, I got my broom on night 1
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Post Post #6345 (isolation #262) » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:03 pm

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VOTE: CEPHRIR
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Post Post #6357 (isolation #263) » Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:18 pm

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In post 6350, Cephrir wrote:Pretty sure I died to a mod error.

Uh, you died because you got lynched... because you're scum....
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Post Post #6409 (isolation #264) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:54 pm

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In post 6395, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Nope. Claimed 3x mastin. We're security guard. Hit bbmolla with bg last night and all out now.

Dont care if you lynch us. We were supposed to die last night. We'll be voting snowstorm.

ETL, please stop disappointing. You're better than this.
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Post Post #6410 (isolation #265) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:59 pm

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In post 6399, mastin2 wrote:
Protecting Molla was NOT a town action.

But was it a scum action?

In post 6404, mastin2 wrote:
In post 6401, BBmolla wrote:Why not?
Hmm...how about because we have a metric ton of ACTUAL CONFIRMED TOWN to protect? Like the now-dead BROseidon?

BRO was not conftown. I was actually very paranoid of him.
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Post Post #6411 (isolation #266) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:00 pm

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In post 6355, Cephrir wrote:By the way, there's a third party in the game. Make of that what you will.

Thoughts about this?
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Post Post #6420 (isolation #267) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:18 pm

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ETL, ISO me. Look no further than my second post. Don't freak out when you hear a soft whisper behind you saying "I told you."
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Post Post #6425 (isolation #268) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:30 pm

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In post 6424, Antihero wrote:
In post 6423, beastcharizard wrote:I think ETL is saying SS is scum based off of what Cephrir flipped.


i don't know

is ap really into matchy-matchy-poo-poo role symmetry?

beastcharizard wrote:SS says they are town since they voted HD on their second post.


well that's just fucking stupid

Whatevs. I caught scum in my second post.
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Post Post #6428 (isolation #269) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:53 pm

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If you're actually considering me for scum it's the brick which should smash into your head and not the other way around.
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Post Post #6479 (isolation #270) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:33 pm

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Prod-dodge.

I still don't think Catbug is scum.
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Post Post #6601 (isolation #271) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:16 am

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I'll try to tackle this game tonight. I re-read Ceph's ISO after the flip and took some notes about possible partners, but I lost them and I need to do it again. I still remember that I thought 22 was still more likely to be town and that I wanted to take a look at Vezok, beast and displaced.
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Post Post #6603 (isolation #272) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:08 am

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In post 6600, ika wrote:
VC somethingcatbug (2) - , cirtus, toog
syndrom (3) - anti,
snow (1) - catbug
vez (1) - mastin2, syndrom, BB,


Not Voting (these people): , TWIE, Sangres, vez, beastcharizard, BBmolla, notscience, snow, sarng,

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Deadline in (expired on 2014-11-14 20:00:00).

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Mod Notes:
:dead:

Would it be too much to ask for a proper vote count?
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Post Post #6605 (isolation #273) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:43 am

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Thanks.
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Post Post #6614 (isolation #274) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:39 pm

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In post 6601, SnowStorm wrote:I'll try to tackle this game
tonight
sometime tomorrow
. I re-read Ceph's ISO after the flip and took some notes about possible partners, but I lost them and I need to do it again. I still remember that I thought 22 was still more likely to be town and that I wanted to take a look at Vezok, beast and displaced.


Fixed.
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Post Post #6709 (isolation #275) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:25 am

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In post 5944, BBmolla wrote::|

I'm a Biomedical Engineer, AKA a Disabler. It says that someone anti-town knows I exist and is trying to find the information I have on the company's new project so I should remain hidden

Hence not wanting to claim


Is this your full claim?

What's a disabler?

It says that someone anti-town knows I exist and is trying to find the information I have on the company's new project so I should remain hidden

What does this effectively mean?
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Post Post #6716 (isolation #276) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:54 am

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In post 6712, BBmolla wrote:
In post 6709, SnowStorm wrote:What's a disabler?

Opposite of an enabler. As long as I'm alive I'm disabling something.


Ah, ok. So what are you disabling?



I don't want to lynch beast.
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Post Post #6718 (isolation #277) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:28 pm

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You or BB, possibly Vezok. Why? After ISO'ing Titus and HD/Cephrir, I think these are the players who are most likely to be partnered with them.
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Post Post #6721 (isolation #278) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:28 pm

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Why did you have to quote that? I'm TRYING to maintain a town read on mastin.
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Post Post #6726 (isolation #279) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:30 pm

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In post 6723, BBmolla wrote:
In post 6716, SnowStorm wrote:Ah, ok. So what are you disabling?

Don't know, it doesn't exactly say.


You weren't under suspicion. Your claim is beneficial to an anti-town player/scum and we have no way of confirming it. It gave us no information and made you and town more vulnerable. Why did you claim? Why didn't you just claim VT?
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Post Post #6728 (isolation #280) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:43 pm

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I love your proactive town attitude.
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Post Post #6730 (isolation #281) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:45 pm

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You're clearly not trying hard enough.
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Post Post #6743 (isolation #282) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:37 am

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In post 6738, BBmolla wrote:
In post 6726, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6723, BBmolla wrote:
In post 6716, SnowStorm wrote:Ah, ok. So what are you disabling?

Don't know, it doesn't exactly say.


You weren't under suspicion. Your claim is beneficial to an anti-town player/scum and we have no way of confirming it. It gave us no information and made you and town more vulnerable. Why did you claim? Why didn't you just claim VT?

I claimed cause we were doing a mass claim

I should have claimed VT, it didn't even cross my mind tbh, I've always been about telling the truth about my roles but in this case... I'm pretty dumb


I don't buy it. I don't buy any of this. I don't believe you don't know what you're disabling or who you are disabling, IF you really are disabling something. I don't believe you never thought about how or what you'd claim. Your role also gave you a little more info on scum or a possible third faction and you've done nothing with it. Your claim, as it is, just does not make sense to me.
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Post Post #6759 (isolation #283) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:37 am

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In post 6755, Toogeloo wrote:
His claim should be completely disregarded and he should be judged on his play.


In that case,

VOTE: BB
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Post Post #6764 (isolation #284) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:47 am

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She voted displaced/manfredd at some point.
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Post Post #6768 (isolation #285) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:53 am

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In post 6765, sangres wrote:but reading through displaced's iso,
I feel like that's townposting.


I don't get that feeling.
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Post Post #6771 (isolation #286) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:06 am

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I find this particularly interesting:
In post 4026, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VC 3.4beastcharizard (4) - BBmolla, mastin2, Vezokpiraka, Cephrir
Cephrir (2) - Snowstorm, Desperado

Venmar (2) - catbug, sangres
mastin2 (2) - beastcharizard, 22

Toogeloo (1) - BROseidon

Not Voting (6): Iecerint, fourtrouble, Toogeloo, Venmar, displaced, Fluff Central

In post 4029, displaced wrote:
In post 3876, mastin2 wrote:tl;dr, if Ceph is scum, then I'm declaring him to be one of the last scum to be caught, and will not focus on him at all. He's dropped from 98% town to 95% town, which is...still pretty dang town.


All I got from that wall was "I refuse to bus Cephrir"

In post 4030, displaced wrote:Basically Catbug's #3989 is bang on the money.

I'd lynch Mastin or Cephrir right now I think

VOTE: mastin


With equal scum reads on Cephrir and mastin, he chose to vote mastin.

The Ceph scum read comes a little out of nowhere and it gave him a reason to vote mastin. It doesn't feel like a genuine scum read.
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Post Post #6772 (isolation #287) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:08 am

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In post 6770, sangres wrote:
In post 6768, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6765, sangres wrote:but reading through displaced's iso,
I feel like that's townposting.


I don't get that feeling.


so you think the scumteam thought titus had a snowball's chance of evading the lynch on day 2?


No, but it didn't hurt to try, especially knowing they had a mod mistake to take the blame for them.
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Post Post #6773 (isolation #288) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:10 am

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In fact, I think displaced's claim was more of an attempt to get a Pidgey mislynch (day 2 or 3) than an attempt to save Titus. Titus lynch was inevitable.
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Post Post #6776 (isolation #289) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:25 am

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The wagon progression on displaced throughout day 1 is also interesting.

Early on, it reached 7 votes, none from Titus or Cephrir.
In post 1801, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VC 1.3222 (1) - Riddleton
Human Destroyer (1) Desperado
Snowstorm (1) - pidgey
Toogeloo (1) - Aronis
Catbug (1) - zMuffinMan
MattP(1) - beastcharizard
vezokpiraka (2) - Fluff Central,
Titus

manfredd (7) - Snowstorm, mastin2, Toogeloo, BROseidon, Iecerint, 22, BBMolla

Venmar (1) - MattP
Sangres (2) - Venmar, mastin2
Riddleton (1) - Sangres
Aronis (2) -
Cephrir
, Catbug

Not Voting (2): manfredd, vezokpiraka

Titus and Cephrir both on the counterwagon to displaced's.
In post 1908, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VC 1.3322 (1) - Riddleton
Human Destroyer (1) Desperado
Snowstorm (1) - pidgey
Toogeloo (1) - Aronis
Catbug (1) - zMuffinMan
MattP(1) - beastcharizard
vezokpiraka (3) - Fluff Central,
Titus, Cephrir

manfredd (6) - Snowstorm, mastin2, Toogeloo, BROseidon, Iecerint, BBMolla

Venmar (1) - MattP
Sangres (2) - Venmar, mastin2
Riddleton (1) - Sangres
Aronis (1) - Catbug
Desperado (1) - 22

Not Voting (2): manfredd, vezokpiraka

Cephrir joined Riddleton wagon. At this point it's bigger than manfredd's.
In post 2375, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VC 1.3622 (1) - Riddleton
Toogeloo (1) - Aronis
MattP(1) - beastcharizard
vezokpiraka (2) - Fluff Central,
Titus

manfredd (4) - Snowstorm, Toogeloo, Iecerint, BBMolla

Venmar (1) - MattP
Catbug (1) - Venmar
Riddleton (6) - Sangres, zMuffinMan, BROseidon,
Cephrir
, vezokpiraka, 22
Aronis (3) - Desperado, mastin2, pidgey

Not Voting (2): manfredd, Catbug

Cephrir joined Pidgey wagon. Manfredd wagon down to two votes.
In post 2875, AngryPidgeon wrote:
VC 1.4622 (1) - AA9
MattP(1) - beastcharizard
vezokpiraka (2) - Fluff Central,
Titus

Venmar (1) - MattP
Catbug (1) - Venmar
AA9 (4) - zMuffinMan, FourTrouble, Desperado, Iecerint
pidgey (8) - Catbug, Toogeloo, BBMolla, Snowstorm,
Cephrir
, vezokpiraka, BROseidon, 22
Snowstorm (1) - pidgey
manfredd (2) - sangres, mastin2

Not Voting (1): manfredd

Titus and Cephrir join manfredd wagon. Worth noting that manfredd made two posts after replacing in and never came back. It was an empty slot. At the point of Titus vote manfredd's wagon consisted of Sangres, mastin and Muffin, three strong influential slots.
In post 3220, Titus wrote:Ok. The wagons need to start collapsing. If your wagon has 2or less, move. We got a day people.

VOTE: manfredd

The time for pushing is over. Pick the best from manfredd, Pidgey, Catbug.

In post 3271, Cephrir wrote:Because it's 24 hours to deadline, scumbutt.

VOTE: manfredd

displaced takes back his slot.
In post 3291, AngryPidgeon wrote:
displaced has graciously said he'll take his (manfredd) slot back so assuming he is still willing, the slot is now his again.

Pidgey and displaced are tied with 6 votes each. Titus and Ceph still in the displaced wagon.
In post 3300, ika wrote:
VC 1.5122 (1) - AA9
vezokpiraka (1) - Fluff Central
Venmar (1) - MattP
Catbug (2) - Venmar, 22
AA9 (1) - FourTrouble
pidgey (6) - Toogeloo, BBMolla, vezokpiraka, BROseidon, Catbug, Desperado
displaced (6) - sangres, mastin2, zMuffinMan, Titus, Iecerint, Cephrir

Titus (1) - beastcharizard
Cephrir (1) - Snowstorm
Toogeloo (1) - pidgey

Not Voting (1): displaced
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Titus switches to Pidgey.
In post 3315, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pidgey

Fuck the game. Sheeping my biggest tiwnread.

Cephrir played hard but eventally switched to AA9.
In post 3392, Cephrir wrote:Happier with my vote than I was before.

In post 3397, Cephrir wrote:Right now there are four wagons (you, AA9, displaced, pidgey) and a million vanity votes. No matter how you slice it, that is going to have to change.

Pidgey's ATE is making me feel like he could actually town. Yes, that is me noting something is ATE and still being swayed by it. Meh. You are not actually a viable wagon, and not particularly a suspect of mine except via crappy POE.
AA9 could actually be scum because Riddleton was scum and she only did exactly enough to make her wagon fall apart, and is my preference for moving if I can't get displaced, but I'm gonna sit here for a few more hours.

In post 3401, Cephrir wrote:That works too

VOTE: AA9


What does this all mean: They voted manfredd when the slot was empty, when it wasn't the main wagon and when there were three strong (presumably) town slots voting him. Bussing was more beneficial to them than protecting a widely suspected empty slot. Titus switched away right after displaced replaced back in and Cephrir switched a while later. Even though Cephrir appeared to want a displaced lynch he never seemed very interested in pushing it and it didn't take much for him to switch to AA9. Their votes feel like distancing/bussing votes and not attempts to get a mislynch. They avoid every opportunity they had to push for his lynch.
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Post Post #6777 (isolation #290) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:29 am

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In post 6775, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 6772, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6770, sangres wrote:
In post 6768, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6765, sangres wrote:but reading through displaced's iso,
I feel like that's townposting.


I don't get that feeling.


so you think the scumteam thought titus had a snowball's chance of evading the lynch on day 2?


No, but it didn't hurt to try, especially knowing they had a mod mistake to take the blame for them.

In post 6773, SnowStorm wrote:In fact, I think displaced's claim was more of an attempt to get a Pidgey mislynch (day 2 or 3) than an attempt to save Titus. Titus lynch was inevitable.


These posts make little to no sense.

Just so you're aware.

I am aware of that, but I think you can still see my point, which does make sense.
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Post Post #6783 (isolation #291) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:13 am

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In post 6778, TheWayItEnds wrote:Well I mean not really.

Scum know Titus's lynch is inevitable. Scum-displaced has a result which contradicts town-Pidgey's claim. Scum-displaced loses nothing by claiming and pointing out the contradiction. Best case scenario, Pidgey gets lynched instead of Titus, worst case, Titus is still lynched but they have something to push Pidgey's mislynch the next day. One thing he was sure, he was saying the truth about his night result and thus he knew it couldn't be used against him.


[quote="In post 6778I think your 4030 point is probably the best thing you've written so far.

But to me it looks like hes pretty clearly scum reading both mastin and ceph in 4029.[/quote]
Yeah, he's clearly calling them both scum. What I'm saying is that he's using a scum read on Ceph to scum read mastin and vote her. It feels like he knew Ceph was scum and was pushing a scum read on mastin by association.
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Post Post #6786 (isolation #292) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:27 am

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VOTE: TWIE
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Post Post #6809 (isolation #293) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:49 pm

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In post 6798, TheWayItEnds wrote:Just to clarify.

You think that town-displaced.

With a result that differs from town-pidgeys claim.

Does what in that situation?


The same, probably. Anyway, I'm not arguing you're scum because of that, I'm arguing displaced's claim doesn't make you town.
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Post Post #6833 (isolation #294) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:48 am

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In post 6826, sangres wrote:compared to other late-replacements he's done more, though. compare his level of involvement to syndrome and madcitrus.

That doesn't make him town. It's not even a valid comparison since you don't know syndrome's or citrus's alignments.
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Post Post #6835 (isolation #295) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:00 pm

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In post 6834, sangres wrote:
In post 6833, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6826, sangres wrote:compared to other late-replacements he's done more, though. compare his level of involvement to syndrome and madcitrus.

That doesn't make him town. It's not even a valid comparison since you don't know syndrome's or citrus's alignments.


I think you've missed some of the context of this convo or something.


Like what?
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Post Post #6854 (isolation #296) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:56 am

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Come on people, time to lynch TWIE.
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Post Post #6868 (isolation #297) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:23 am

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In post 6867, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:no you will die.

LOL?
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Post Post #6869 (isolation #298) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:24 am

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Oh wait, you mean by lynch, not by NK, right?
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Post Post #6874 (isolation #299) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:32 am

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In post 6871, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 6869, SnowStorm wrote:Oh wait, you mean by lynch, not by NK, right?

what did
you
think i meant?


Honestly, I don't know, you've had some pretty bad reads this game.
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Post Post #6877 (isolation #300) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:04 pm

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VOTE: Vezok.


>:[
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Post Post #6879 (isolation #301) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:16 pm

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Please, don't do that, Toog.

I agree that the game is not much fun when it feels abandoned by the mods and half of its players, but hang on a little longer.
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Post Post #6886 (isolation #302) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:05 pm

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There's never been a more exciting game in mafiascum history.
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Post Post #6887 (isolation #303) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:10 pm

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Oh and look Vezok flipped town! :O quite the plot twist.
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Post Post #6890 (isolation #304) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:12 pm

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VOTE: TWIE


NS, who did you expect to see killed?

pedit: I don't think it got toxic, just neglected.
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Post Post #6907 (isolation #305) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:24 pm

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In post 6905, sangres wrote:If I was broomed I'd like to know it. Right now will be fine.


You weren't.
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Post Post #6914 (isolation #306) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:27 pm

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sangres wrote:
In post 6907, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6905, sangres wrote:If I was broomed I'd like to know it. Right now will be fine.


You weren't.


what kind of brooms are yours again?

It was a digital one.
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Post Post #6919 (isolation #307) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:30 pm

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In post 6918, TheWayItEnds wrote:Really I just want to hear from syndrome

How did his role work again?
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Post Post #6930 (isolation #308) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:44 pm

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We are NOT lynching Beast. Not today, (probably) not ever.

Today should be one of BB and TWIE.
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Post Post #6935 (isolation #309) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:52 pm

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In post 6933, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 6930, SnowStorm wrote:We are NOT lynching Beast. Not today, (probably) not ever.


And why is that?


Because he's most likely town, based on interactions with the flipped scum, his play and his position in the game.
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Post Post #6936 (isolation #310) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:55 pm

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In post 6931, BBmolla wrote:
In post 6930, SnowStorm wrote:We are NOT lynching Beast. Not today, (probably) not ever.

Today should be one of BB and TWIE.

Maybe if you call me town, scum will nightkill me

A man can always dream


I think we already tried that. :/
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Post Post #6946 (isolation #311) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:01 pm

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In post 6938, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 6935, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 6933, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 6930, SnowStorm wrote:We are NOT lynching Beast. Not today, (probably) not ever.


And why is that?


Because he's most likely town, based on interactions with the flipped scum, his play and his position in the game.


You saying this, while arguing that Displaced's play was scummy is absolutely fucking hilarious I just want you to know.


Thank you for your biased and self-serving unjustified opinion.
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Post Post #6953 (isolation #312) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:09 pm

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In post 6947, TheWayItEnds wrote:Thank you for continuing to entertain me with your "AP gave scum a global watch" theory.

I don't even care.
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Post Post #6970 (isolation #313) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:53 pm

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In post 6969, notscience wrote:Ffery I'm pretty sure this game is a loss

It will be, a loss to scum!
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Post Post #6972 (isolation #314) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:27 pm

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Town will only lose this game if it choses to.
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Post Post #6976 (isolation #315) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:31 pm

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TWIE, what action did you take last night?
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Post Post #6978 (isolation #316) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:37 pm

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In post 6976, SnowStorm wrote:TWIE, what action did you take last night?
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Post Post #7017 (isolation #317) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:33 am

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In post 6980, Toogeloo wrote:Snow, what's beast's position in the game that leads you to believe he is Town?

If you are also suggesting he must be town because of interactions with Cephrir, it should be noted they were both the only two candidates for lynch that day, so they would have obviously been bussing each other.


He's been in the line of fire since day 1 and for no good reasons until his claim. And yeah, I do think his interactions with Titus and Cephrir's slot make him more likely to be town, not necessarily the ones from that day, but the ones from day 1 made me pretty confident in my beast town read.


VOTE: BBMolla
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Post Post #7019 (isolation #318) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:03 am

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In post 7018, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 7017, SnowStorm wrote:He's been in the line of fire since day 1 and for no good reasons until his claim.
But he hasn't been in the line of fire from scum, it's always town that eventually gets bored of pursuing him.

Nope, that's wrong. He was pushed by Titus, Human Destroyer and Ceph. As for unflipped pushers, BB and TWIE, my two biggest scum reads, have pushed him. Even if I'm wrong about both of them, it would be wrong to say he's always been pushed by town.
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Post Post #7021 (isolation #319) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:50 am

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In post 7020, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 7010, mastin2 wrote:

TWIE:
Can I have a list of your night actions, again? Every night, just for a refresher.


I would rather not.

Why?
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Post Post #7023 (isolation #320) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:11 am

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Shouldn't they already know which abilities you used? I've assumed that every 1-shot that has been used is taken out of their list. So even if you get swept (which you shouldn't), they'll know which abilities you still have unused.
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Post Post #7025 (isolation #321) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:22 am

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The mafia team will have a list of all 1-shot abilities available to the town and this list will be updated continuously as abilities are used and players die.

This is what's in the rules. I think they know when a sabotaged ability has been used.
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Post Post #7030 (isolation #322) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:17 am

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So, TWIE... You can reveal now.
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Post Post #7032 (isolation #323) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:12 am

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In post 7031, TheWayItEnds wrote:My n4 track failed.

I didnt action last night.


Why did you use the track? Who did you target? Why did you not preform an action last night?
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Post Post #7036 (isolation #324) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:24 pm

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I don't think it is reliable to base our reads in roles, not in this game.
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Post Post #7062 (isolation #325) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:42 am

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Beast, what are your reads?

I'd also like Mastin's neighbor to claim.
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Post Post #7071 (isolation #326) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:42 am

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TWIE, Beast, vote BB.
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Post Post #7078 (isolation #327) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:18 am

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In post 7076, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 7071, SnowStorm wrote:TWIE, Beast, vote BB.


vote TWIE and tomorrow we can lynch Molla.


@Snowstorm:

What leads you to believe I am incompotent? Like give me an example.


I'd vote TWIE, but BB has more votes (I think). So, vote BB.

I don't understand why you're asking me that.
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Post Post #7080 (isolation #328) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:10 pm

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That's a really bad case.
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Post Post #7107 (isolation #329) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:35 pm

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Ok, Mastin actually raised some good points on Aronis/Citrus, but I still have problems lynching him.

First, he claimed miller, so his flip can be misleading and misused.

Second... Cephrir going after Aronis out of policy was one of the things that contributed to my scum read on him, I really didn't like it. And when Aronis replaced out his words were "I had and have no desire to play with Cephrir.", Cephrir lol'ed and changed his vote to Riddleton. I find it really odd for a scum player to replace out because a partner is pushing him like that and for Cephrir to keep pushing him knowing Aronis didn't like it (I assume he'd have told him so in the PT before deciding on replacing out). Either that or he lied about his reason to replace out and made a distancing move out of it, which I think would be unethical.
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Post Post #7124 (isolation #330) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:22 am

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I was going to rant how these were the 48 longest hours of my life, then I remembered Beast flipped town and all the joy I felt when I saw it.

TWIE's death sucks though.
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Post Post #7126 (isolation #331) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:44 am

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In post 7125, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 7124, SnowStorm wrote:I was going to rant how these were the 48 longest hours of my life, then I remembered Beast flipped scum and all the joy I felt when I saw it.

TWIE's death sucks though.

uh..... beast was scum.

Yes, that's what I said. :shifty:
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Post Post #7127 (isolation #332) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:46 am

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Catbug, have you used all of your one-shots?
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Post Post #7150 (isolation #333) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:38 pm

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Go on...
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Post Post #7212 (isolation #334) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:57 pm

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In post 7208, mastin2 wrote:
But while we're on the subject...that feeling of giving up, which I know I'm feeling and I'm seeing in a lot of others basically is making it to the point where I'd seriously consider asking the mod to just end the game on a draw, mutually-agreed-upon to end the game which is making everyone miserable.

HELL NO.
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Post Post #7213 (isolation #335) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:01 pm

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ISO'ing vote counts in this game is the TERRIBLIEST thing ever.
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Post Post #7214 (isolation #336) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:28 pm

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I think I could get behind a syndrome lynch.
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Post Post #7216 (isolation #337) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:58 pm

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No I need to be sure!
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Post Post #7241 (isolation #338) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:22 pm

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We can lynch both of them!
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Post Post #7298 (isolation #339) » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:55 am

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VOTE: Mad Citrus.


Idk what I'm doing. Lets just hope he flips scum. lol.
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Post Post #7307 (isolation #340) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:12 am

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In post 7299, sangres wrote:
In post 7298, SnowStorm wrote:
VOTE: Mad Citrus.


Idk what I'm doing. Lets just hope he flips scum. lol.


I swear this is one of the scummiest things I've ever seen you post. :(


I thought millers always flipped scum. :?
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Post Post #7323 (isolation #341) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:07 pm

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In post 7310, Catbug wrote:
In post 7307, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 7299, sangres wrote:
In post 7298, SnowStorm wrote:
VOTE: Mad Citrus.


Idk what I'm doing. Lets just hope he flips scum. lol.


I swear this is one of the scummiest things I've ever seen you post. :(


I thought millers always flipped scum. :?

oh but this....

1) why the awkward "lol."?

2) Why do you think the reason sangres thinks this is scummy is because "millers always flip scum"?

3) Why did you decide on citrus?


1) I thought he was going to flip scum and that supposedly you all did too. So it was a joke.

2) I thought she found it scummy because she didn't know I thought he could flip town. So from her point of view I cans see how my post was awkward or scummy even.

3) The lynch was already decided when I voted, but the reason why I didn't fight his lynch was, again, that I thought he'd flip scum and that everyone else thought it too.
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Post Post #7337 (isolation #342) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:45 pm

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Prod-dodge. Not that there are any prods to dodge but eh. I really need to give this game some thought.
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Post Post #7338 (isolation #343) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:48 pm

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In post 7325, sangres wrote:Because we're VIs.

Is this really why you think you haven't been NK'ed yet?
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Post Post #7368 (isolation #344) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:00 pm

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I kind of really want to lynch mastin.
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Post Post #7380 (isolation #345) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:50 am

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Vote: BB.
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Post Post #7386 (isolation #346) » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:03 am

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:|

I'm leaning towards one of syndrome/mastin.
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Post Post #7390 (isolation #347) » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:28 am

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That's a scum claim, right?
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Post Post #7392 (isolation #348) » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:37 am

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VOTE: Catbug.
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Post Post #7393 (isolation #349) » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:41 am

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In post 7388, sangres wrote:Like get that shit out of your head now.
What do you think of catbug's townread on BBMolla?

:oops:
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Post Post #7409 (isolation #350) » Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:58 am

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Merry Christmas!
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Post Post #7423 (isolation #351) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:18 am

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:facepalm:

I hate ETL for self-voting. That lynch was unnecessary and we could have won then or be on our way to win now if ETL had just put in a little less effort into getting herself lynched. Ultimately, I also hate myself for not trusting my own reads, my strongest town read the whole game, but I just couldn't defend someone who gave up like that.
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Post Post #7429 (isolation #352) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:27 pm

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Syndrome, who did your slot target every night? Explain your targets please.
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Post Post #7440 (isolation #353) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:27 am

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In post 7431, mastin2 wrote:Correction: the Snow post was victim-blaming, and now owning up to responsibility for the lynch. Same basic idea, though. Something that town
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do, but mostly don't. (It's just disrespectful, selfish, and frankly, arrogant.) And is far more frequently employed by scum to justify them having been on the mislynch--trying to avoid blame.


I couldn't have not made that post. I had to say it and I disagree with you.

It's also totally not a post I would have made as scum, but that's secondary.
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Post Post #7441 (isolation #354) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:28 am

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I am also leaning towards syndrome.
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Post Post #7457 (isolation #355) » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:55 am

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In post 7453, sangres wrote:I"m awaiting that post from syndrome.

Same...

In post 7456, sangres wrote:
In post 1077, SnowStorm wrote:
Unvote: Human Destroyer


He can be town.

AngryPidgeon wrote:
Riddleton (5) - Sangres, mastin2, 22, Titus, Toogeloo

Why are these people voting for a guy who only has 4 posts and is v/la? To rephrase that, why are five of my townreads wasting their votes on this?

Why did this unvote happen?

I wanted to give him a second chance. I didn't want to get in a tunnel on someone I had never played with so soon in the game.
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Post Post #7463 (isolation #356) » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:10 am

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In post 7462, sangres wrote:
That wasn't worded like you were giving him a second chance, though: it was worded like you started to see signals of him being town and backed off a bit as a result. Is that interpretation wrong?

It's not wrong. I thought his reaction to my push wasn't indicative of scum as I could see it coming from town. So instead of pushing further, I decided to back off and give him another chance.
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Post Post #7469 (isolation #357) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:57 am

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Yeah, I really don't see us not lynching Syndrome, so lets just do it?

(Please mastin, don't be the crazy scum genius I have suspected you to be).
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Post Post #7470 (isolation #358) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:12 am

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Before voting, I had this post I saved up, because I was waiting for syndrome's post and his explanation for his targets. But it's not happening and reading this makes me feel more confident in a Syndrome lynch.

I'd love to have been right about mastin being scum and win the game with her lynch, but I think it's syndrome.

He shouldn't be alive if he's town. He hasn't used his role optimally either, not even remotely. The first three target claims have them using their role as a vig, taking advantage of the slot's early town reputation to explain why they didn't protect Muffin, Matt and Desp. I could buy them not protecting Muffin or Desp, but Matt was an obvious NK target after Titus's flip, they should have protected him, even if there was a small chance they could both die, the chance of Matt being NK was always higher.

Now in the later game we have sangres, the conftown and obvious protection target, and scum who refuse to target syndrome and them. It doesn't make sense. If they thought syndrome has been targetting sangres every night, which we have no reason to believe is the case, why would they not target syndrome? Sure they'd be taking out a possible mislynch, but they'd also be eliminating the healer threat that's been protecting sangres and so they could have killed them instead of notsci, who could be taking syndrome's place as a possible mislynch.

After BRO's death, syndrome was asked why he did not protect him. His answer:
In post 6519, syndromeofatown wrote:Not protecting BRO. Yeah I didn't protect him. what do you want me to do about it? Protecting him would have been stupid anyway since scum could just kill me for the easy two for one. So yeah I didn't protect him. Did you not think about that? Why don't you fucking think for a fuckinbg second instead of pushing bullshit cases?

This is oddly defensive. The logical answer would be that he chose to protect Sangres instead. And if he thought scum would target him for a double kill, why didn't he try to draw it and take out a suspect or one of the scum with him? The next night he didn't even use his role.

And this night, seeing as his kill was so unlikely and that scum have avoided sangres why didn't he target a wildcard like me, notsci or mastin? Someone who'd fit the scum's weird NK choices.


Main point, 22 chose to use the vig aspect of the role instead of protecting conftown Matt. Second point, this role could have been used much better. He claimed to not use it one night even.


Counter-point: His lack of interest in his role and the game in general makes me paranoid. I'd expect the last scum to be more active in MyLo. They're so close to victory that not posting is throwing away the game. Though I guess this works both ways, and because of his absence, hypo-scum-mastin doesn't even need to be that active to get a town mislynch. But I always think town are more likely to be defeatist and give up than scum. Otherwise he could have just scum-claimed. I'd also expect the Catbug lynch to give scum some hopes of winning and I think it's obvious scum had that hope at the beginning of today. So why is he not playing? Why is he throwing away the game for his whole team?! Because whichever team he is on IS going to lose. I hate him right now and I want to lynch him. But I'll be really pissed if he flips town. This is as bad or worse than Catbug's self-vote.
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Post Post #7472 (isolation #359) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:46 am

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In post 7471, mastin2 wrote:
In post 7469, SnowStorm wrote:(Please mastin, don't be the crazy scum genius I have suspected you to be).
I
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However, I'm not a
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If I wanted to win this game as scum, I would have done it ages ago.


Here am I getting paranoid over your crazy scum potential and you say you'd be even better. You've been doing this the whole game and it drives me crazy! I mean, are you trying to make me even more paranoid?
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Post Post #7475 (isolation #360) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:57 am

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VOTE: Syndrome.
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Post Post #7497 (isolation #361) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:25 pm

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Oh thank God it's over!

In post 7485, ika wrote:
ok again im going to personally apologize for my lack of modding near endgame.

RL has taken a toll on me as of late and this game kinda took a lot out of me due to replacments and AP flaking also.

Im thanksful for all who stayed with me duing it and that this is very unlike me in normal. I plan on taking a break from many modding games and laying back for a bit after everything else settles

AP can realsed the dead/scum QT if he diesires

Sure you could have done better, but you're not the one who needs to apologize. Thanks for keeping this going.
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Post Post #7523 (isolation #362) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:11 pm

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In post 7513, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 7491, TheWayItEnds wrote:B. I cannot believe you guys lynched Catbug.

It was the right move.


It wasn't. Your lynch was unnecessary and I wish I had time to think about the game then and to fight against lynching you.
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Post Post #7534 (isolation #363) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:35 pm

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Fourtrouble/Madcitrus was another lynch that shouldn't have happened, and which I would have fought against if I knew millers didn't flip scum... :facepalm:

Hey I want a share of the Cephrir lynch fame. If my town reads had listened to me instead of hard defending him when I caught him day 1 and when I pushed him day 2, I wouldn't have second guessed my read on him later on and we would have lynched him earlier. :P
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Post Post #7537 (isolation #364) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:41 pm

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Looking back I think most of our mislynches were pretty dumb and could have been avoided with just a little more effort.

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