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Well look at it from another angle sk knew he was fbi agent just imagine how good a sk would look if he opposed the fbi agents lynch It's also possible he noticed titus soft claims and knew titus would say something to get the lynch through. The excuse his using through is he knew who doctor was and sk would kill dr. I proved it's possible sk would want dr alive plus if he was ballsy enough to keep fbi agent alive he would easily have enough courage to keep dr alive.
There's nothing actually pointing out otherwise that he isn't a ballsy sk.-
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In post 4804, RachMarie wrote:Another question I have is what is the difference between a tailor and a framer? Can we fully trust the reads that the FBI agent made for those who are not the SK?
Tailor makes scum look town and a framer makes town look scum. Mafia would use a tailor on themselves and not anyone else if you were starting to think that. The last ones a difficult question but I would look at if do you trust his reads completely and do the still hold merit. The only thing we get 100% off the fbi is kise isn't sk.-
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In post 4807, RachMarie wrote:Thanks ok so basically Titus shot herself in the foot completely ok I was not sure have not had much experience playing with either tailor or framer.
So then yeah that clears Kise for SK pretty well then
Moving along
Titus was planning for the cop to investigate her judging by the reaction with house. But it backfired because the cop investigated someone else instead.-
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In post 4820, RachMarie wrote:Wait a minute when did you claim vengeful townie Kise I missed that?
Rach will you be here tomorrow?
Also the claim
In post 4727, Kise wrote:
Shhh
since I'm dying next,claiming vengeful townie.This + bomb + cop + doc + sk make me think scum have some kind of bulletproof role. I'm fine voting Garmr as I still think he's a good shot for scum. If I had to rank SK choices:
kthx-twie-sc-tip-ank-nacho-rm
This is based on the kill choices. Rach can't be caught up enough to mafia hunt the way the SK was. Those are kills I'd make if I had a good, concentrated idea of who was scummy / likely to flip maf. I stuck Tip in the middle because my last large normal had a neighborizing SK, so never rule that plot twist out.
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In post 4822, RachMarie wrote:Yes I will be here tomorrow (Tues Dec 30th)
Thanks for the quote I totally missed that one when I was reading up
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In post 4824, RachMarie wrote:Garmr
before I answer that since Mollie replaced out and Nacho replaced in, has that changed your opinion of that slot? You were pretty gung ho about Mollie being an SK.
Tbh if mollie took the time to sit down and talk to me at the start like nacho did I might of considered her town. But all she did was shout avoided the points I made and scream how i'm sk/mafia, Then I saw that kills start lining up in ways that benefited her. When she quit through that's when I started getting doubts. Also the fact that nacho talked out some of my points helped reassure me that the slot was probably town.
@nacho watch where going to get a no lynch because of that. Sc is still sk.
In post 4836, Kise wrote:
You came in the thread and summarized things. From there, you offered no suspicions or suggestions. I asked wassup to know what you wanna do today, and it looks like you answered it just now. I'm personally not feeling a kthx or Rach lynch. Garmr is no saint but he's someone I found scummy due to interaction with Nero & Pine, so he's not an SK read but I'd lynch him over Rach & kthx.
Nacho what do I do with my vote and my weapon?
Yep you'll understand end game I baited pine through and my actions lead nero to speak out more. Most importantly I'm town.-
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In post 4846, Kise wrote:I don't see Ank as a lynchee amongst the rest of you. Shooting him over anyone else basically means (for example) there's 3 people still lynchable instead of 2 people.
Kise I don't really know to much how vengeful townie works but don't you have to get lynched to actually kill something.-
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In post 4848, Kise wrote:I die I get to kill. It's not like an easymode bomb, I have to choose.
Interesting then town is pretty powerful.-
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If mollie didn't rage quit they would fit her perfectly. I don't know who else they would fit through.-
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In post 4897, TheWayItEnds wrote:Does getting a scum read on me after I started going on you for asking me to kill the doctor REALLY count?
I would argue that it doesnt.
I was first to scum read you day 1. I only backed off because mollie told me I was spamming the page. Since then I never called you town for your actions I ruled you out for poe at one stage yesterday but that changed pretty fast.-
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In post 4898, Nachomamma8 wrote:We have two lynches to catch final scum.
Garmr
RachMarie
Ank
TWIE
Nacho
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TD is confirmed town via neighborizer, pretty much: giving one SK neighborizer over the other one arbitrarily is dumb, and making one bulletproof while the other one not would be pretty fucked up.
I don't think those kills make sense from Rach-SK. A large part of me feels Rach is town.
SC's interaction with investigative immunity re: Garmr don't really make sense as a push because he would know it wasn't true if he was SK. It felt like a push with a considerable amount of truth in it.
Garmr's much less town now that genuine SK suspicions aren't a good marker for someone being town.
I still hold Ank suspicions at the back of my mind.
We have three lynches actually due to odd-even night mechanics. Also who says investigation immunity isn't true it doesn't even have to be on the sk side (aka cop might not get them as a result) or they even told about it.
Also now that the night kills that you said didn't make sense for mollie are gone that puts you right back in there for sk. Because I can see Mollie doing that dick move with two sks.-
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In post 4906, Nachomamma8 wrote:mollie would have shot you if she was the sk
Who says she would of, she gained more for me being alive as the conflict she just couldn't handle the stress.
look at the two shots she did make first shot was when me and mollie were on good terms second shot (joshb) was when me and mollie were on shaky terms but she thought she could maybe lynch me then she quit. the third shot was in your territory. Things didn't blow out of hand till it was twies shot.-
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In post 4911, Nachomamma8 wrote:exactly
she hated you so much as a result of the game that she blacklisted you and refused to play with you
mollie would have shot you if she was sk
Things didn't blow out of hand till it was twies shot that's the point she might of thought that I would shoot her because sks seem to under the impression that I'm sk to. Also if sk could die I could of just shot mollie earlier as well because I was pissed with her disgusting behavior as well. You know how badly I actually wanted to kill her the only way i could do that is through lynching.-
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In post 4929, Ankamius wrote:Garmr, SC is town. Unvote.
Tell me why he is town.-
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In post 4932, Ankamius wrote:Because TWIE flipped SK without any positive modifiers. Even if the even-night SK was given a boon to compensate for the inferior nights to kill, it would be a bulletproof and not investigation-immunity.
Even twie admitted that sk probably wouldn't be picked up by the town cop and most the cop immunity never really appears on the sk end lol but the cops results.-
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In post 4935, Ankamius wrote:In post 4933, Garmr wrote:In post 4932, Ankamius wrote:Because TWIE flipped SK without any positive modifiers. Even if the even-night SK was given a boon to compensate for the inferior nights to kill, it would be a bulletproof and not investigation-immunity.
Even twie admitted that sk probably wouldn't be picked up by the town cop and most the cop immunity never really appears on the sk end lol but the cops results.
TWIE saying that without knowing for sure means pretty much nothing.
the same applies to your argument as well. So that's why I'm treating it as it never existed and judging sc on what he has done.-
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In post 4938, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 4937, Garmr wrote:If me and strange somehow get to mylo I will vote him straight off the bat and since I'm your scum read it may be better to lynch me now so you can lynch sc in mylo.
Garmr, the way you're posting, you're probably not even going toGETto MYLO.
and we could of had a extra lynch if we lynched twie when we had a chance and people didn't lynch ktnx instead.-
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In post 4940, StrangerCoug wrote:And you plan to take another away from us from your crap attempt at an SK slip that's even worse than my attempt. No, thank you.
I don't want to lose to you if your sk.
The lynches are between me and strange today otherwise with both of us not voting anyone else it's no lynch.-
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In post 4942, StrangerCoug wrote:If you don't want to lose to me if I'm an SK, then come up with something that isn't a complete and utter fraud.
You couldn't come up with anything on me so take your own advice.-
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In post 4944, StrangerCoug wrote:I have. You never actually refuted my WIFOM case against you, and the person whose alleged WIFOM you said you were responding to has now flipped scum. Your #4926 also smells worse than a public restroom that hasn't been cleaned in three years. Where the hell do you get that kind of post, anyway?
and as others have pointed out all your points were bad that's why you were nearly lynched two days ago.-
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In post 4946, StrangerCoug wrote:And two of those have now changed their minds and think I'm town.
That doesn't mean they thought your points were any good.-
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In post 4948, StrangerCoug wrote:It does mean you have to do a better job of convincing people I'm the other SK.
I had trouble convincing this lot that twie (except nacho and kise) was a possible sk.-
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In post 4950, StrangerCoug wrote:OK, and? That says very little about me.
That means hope.-
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In post 4959, Ankamius wrote:There's no point in having different cop result flavors if it's going to be misleading in the first place.
Flavour is flavour and as already brought up independent to each mod. You could have this slot smells fishy or anything as long as it indicates a guilty or not guilty clearly.
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In post 4961, Ankamius wrote:I think that's completely and utterly ridiculous, but I'll just drop it and call SC town for how he engaged me on this point.
Happy?
No you forget that he was pushing me with no real case to why I was sk and everyone was telling you that but you refused to listen. If sc didn't react that way it would of backfired on him so it's null.-
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In post 4964, RachMarie wrote:Ok guys in my experience, cops get guilty and not guilty. I have not played with FBIs much, but I would presume it would be similar wording. Are ya all thinking the cop could have gotten a guilty read on Way dude and that is why the cop was NKed? Cause that is kinda WIFOMY. I figure it was like Mafia and Masons which I was in a while back, the cop could only get a guilty on mafia, and the seer a guilty on werewolves. That was a really strange game, I was town but my neighbor was a werewolf.
I can get the link iffen you want it.
So we all got that out our system I propose a idea and a experiment of sorts. Instead of making a case of why everyone else is sk lets make a case on why we are not sk.
Then at the end of the game we can all look back at the sks story and compare it to the others and maybe learn something.
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In post 4966, StrangerCoug wrote:We can start with you, since you're the one making that proposal.
Just wanted to be polite but sure.
1.This is light but my reaction to the fbi agent. I didn't want to lynch him but I didn't believe he was fbi either.
2.There was no benefit for me for pushing for a sk hunt that early only minuses. If I was sk why would I want to out that there being two sks so early in the game by lynching one and increasing the number of days town had.
3.I have risked my neck for my beliefs by doing gambits that could have me lynched(the dr call on kise to manipulate votes, Calling hider for josh B a strong town read)
4.Kills go against my interests (Josh b was close to me and the sk that's alive killed josh B, I had no intreast in killing a lurker like IAI.)
@Ank I got something for you to consider I just found it let me format it.-
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Yeh I thought mollie weird process's day 5 were coming from even night sk who didn't consider there was another sk. Because she was trying to describe 1 shot vigs and aj getting extra kills. But it could also come from town as well.
If you glance over it you have things that point to her being even night vig because it would require knowledge to make that guess town didn't have at time, then things that contradict it. It just such a mess it's hard to read.-
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In post 4985, RachMarie wrote:I modded an 9AP game, when you have an even and and odd they cannot switch over. Which means the even SK had to be active enough to make a NK every even night.
Hence why I think the remaining SK was active.
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In post 5005, Nachomamma8 wrote:Optimal play is to no lynch today and then power lynch Ank tomorrow, then Garmr in 3p if game isn't over but I'm pretty sure it will be over by then.
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In post 5019, Nachomamma8 wrote:If I can get Rach and SC to lynch him after you die, I can.
that's not going to happen because rach is smart enough to see that sc is the real scum here and you and rank are ruining this game by not voting him.-
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yep of course anything to save town no matter how dirty I must be.-
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In post 5031, Nachomamma8 wrote:You'd do better by town with more thinking and less strongarming. Strongarming alienates, thinking brings you closer to a sensible resolution.
I have thought it through and nothing in anks iso indicates sk. Mollie basically eliminated her self form odd/even type sk situations and rach marie is a lot more town than strange cougar.-
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In post 5034, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 5033, Garmr wrote:nothing in anks iso indicates sk.
What about Mom's?
Do you have any specific things that make you think either are town, or is it just a lack of things that are SK indicative that make you think town?
Lack of. Compared to strange cougar who seems a lot scummier.
In post 5035, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 5025, Ankamius wrote:I'm way too disengaged from this game because nothing makes any sense anymore.
If Garmr's not SK, I'm just going to be mad that Rach got away with it.
To me, there's clear motivation to set you up as the lynch today because SC isn't going to get lynched and it's going to be hard to attempt to lynch Rach through me. The fact that Ank is setting up a you-lynch now while seemingly expecting the townflip and simultaneously taking a lynch after the fact seems pretty SK-ish to me. I understand a mindset that finds someone wanting to chain lynch multiple players because they don't know for sure which the last one is, but this is worded like "I really think it's Garmr but maybe it's Rach" which seems strange to me.
Yeh i could see that he thinks i'm town I kinda got that impression because this seemed really faked.
In post 5011, Ankamius wrote:My god is it really Garmr?
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