You could be anyone II - Game Over

Ankamius · Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:17 am

In post 4577, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 4570, Ankamius wrote:
In post 0, jasonT1981 wrote:
Living PlayersRachMarie

StrangerCoug

Kise (replaces Majiffy)

Ankamius (replaces Mom)

TheWayItEnds

Garmr

TiphaineDeath

Nachomamma8 (replaces pirate mollie)

Kthxbye

Reads yay~

Kise was cleared of being the SK by HI.

Ankamius · Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:34 am

Rach: What do you know about recent events?

Ankamius · Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:34 pm

In post 4697, Kthxbye wrote:Oh, and TD wasn't offed by the SK, which means there's a good possibility that he's in the neighborhood and the SK is enjoying being town read by the rest of the hood.

FTR, this makes no sense. If this was the case, then the best way to keep this going as much as possible is to eliminate any chances of the status quo being altered, so TD would be even more likely to be shot.

Ankamius · Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:17 pm

I want TD's reads and for Rach to do anything whatsoever.

Ankamius · Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:12 am

In post 4714, StrangerCoug wrote:On a change of subject, will everybody who would rather lynch Kthxbye over Rachmarie explain why, please?

Sure.

1. Hostile Intent's reveal as FBI Agent. I go into it here. The abridged version is that Kthx looks significantly worse from it and Rach looks slightly better.
2. Kthxbye's insistence that there is another mafia alive immediately in the game and pressuring the idea for a significant amount of time afterwards, combined with him posting stuff like this.
3. I know enough about d3x and Kthx's dynamic to trust d3x's read on kthx.
4. Kthxbye has been independently scummy for a while now.

Ankamius · Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:18 pm

I am legitimately confused as to how you think I'm the most possible person to be mafia if they still exist. Do you think my slot and Nero were trying to bus each other the entire game?

Ankamius · Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:16 pm

@Mod: V/LA until December 25th

I'll still be able to post, but this work week is only halfway done and it has already taken a toll on me. If I suddenly just don't post for a couple days, this is why.

Ankamius · Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:34 pm

I don't remember if I had any reasoning for TWIE being town other than neighborhood reads. Lemme look back.

Ankamius · Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:39 pm

Ok, the only reason I'm not reading TWIE as the SK is because of his response to the Hostile Intent claim. He literally went against the flow of most of the town right after Hostile Intent outed as FBI Agent and came right out saying that the claim is the only thing about him that's town.

That's ballsy for an SK to do when the biggest threat to them is in danger of being lynched.

Ankamius · Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:41 pm

Dance with me Nacho.

What do you feel about both that reasoning and how easily this wagon sprung up?

Ankamius · Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:51 am

Garmr, that's the perfect play for a scum to make, not SK. He was already almost locked into his stance that HI is scum of some kind, so it wouldn't have been weird at all for him to keep himself on the wagon. That makes the play he made gain very little if it succeeds and it can completely screw him over if it fails. I see it being a pretty awful gamble to attempt.

Ankamius · Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:26 pm

VOTE: StrangerCoug

Not really sure why you voted TWIE then, but w/e. I'll look to see if this is relevant to anything tomorrow when I'm not working.

Ankamius · Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:34 pm

That checks out.

Ankamius · Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:14 am

So.

SK has neighborizer instead of investigation-immune or bulletproof... or they have a combination of the two because ________.

That's why TD is not SK.

Ankamius · Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:21 pm

TWIE's town.

Kthxbye or StrangerCoug. That's my lynch pool today.

Ankamius · Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:22 pm

If both are town, then the SK is probably RachMarie. I don't remember any reason for her being town other than Kise's reasoning, which I think is the weakest out of all the cases for everyone not in those two being town.

Ankamius · Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:18 pm

UNVOTE: StrangerCoug
VOTE: Kthxbye

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:14 am

Everyone on the neighborhood: Read on TWIE please.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:15 am

I'm most likely to vote RachMarie or SC today.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:17 am

Nah actually, Rach can be town for the same reason Nacho is town. Prob SC then.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:30 am

I think it's dead null until a couple days have passed without a kill. I'm not convinced that Kise had the opportunity to send in an action yet.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:37 am

Ok, that makes sense.

It makes TWIE look worse, but I still want info from the neighborhood.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:37 am

4873: ?

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:35 pm

In post 4878, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4875, Ankamius wrote:4873: ?

what do you want me to clarify?

Nothing. I looked at it again just now and I understand what you mean this time.

I'm fine with lynching TWIE now.

PEdit: wat

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:37 pm

Night 2: I am Innocent
Night 4: Josh_B
Night 6: PeregrineV

Ankamius · Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:17 pm

Nacho can you go into more detail RE: SC?

Ankamius · Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:32 am

StrangerCoug who do you think is the last SK?

Ankamius · Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:33 am

RachMarie > Garmr > Nachomamm8

That's my list.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:12 am

Garmr, SC is town. Unvote.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:25 pm

Because TWIE flipped SK without any positive modifiers. Even if the even-night SK was given a boon to compensate for the inferior nights to kill, it would be a bulletproof and not investigation-immunity.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:51 pm

In post 4933, Garmr wrote:
In post 4932, Ankamius wrote:Because TWIE flipped SK without any positive modifiers. Even if the even-night SK was given a boon to compensate for the inferior nights to kill, it would be a bulletproof and not investigation-immunity.

Even twie admitted that sk probably wouldn't be picked up by the town cop and most the cop immunity never really appears on the sk end lol but the cops results.

TWIE saying that without knowing for sure means pretty much nothing.

Ankamius · Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:35 am

PeregrineV specifically said that the results are Guilty/Not Guilty.

Ankamius · Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:43 am

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ankamius · Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:14 am

There's no point in having different cop result flavors if it's going to be misleading in the first place.

Ankamius · Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:00 am

I think that's completely and utterly ridiculous, but I'll just drop it and call SC town for how he engaged me on this point.

Happy?

Ankamius · Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:20 am

So I took a look at the early day 2 stuff and this is what I got from it:

RachMarie: Scum. This post is the primary reason. The early speculation about one kill = one team, followed by that post where she tries to pressure the FBI Agent while simultaneously posturing for the inevitable double-flip night 2, followed by coming to the immediate conclusion of 2 scumteams + SK in response to TD makes this whole thing reek.

Everyone else was dead null. SC had the same type of reveal-nothing gameplay that he's had for most of the game, Garmr was completely absent, and pirate mollie indicated nothing about it at all (which I would bet she's competent enough as the other SK to hide).

Ankamius · Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:36 am

FTR I find it really weird that Nacho didn't know the results PV claimed he got too.

Ankamius · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:34 am

uhhhhhh ok

Can you reveal your thoughts anyway?

Ankamius · Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:49 am

Zzz

VOTE: RachMarie

Ankamius · Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:52 am

Oh right forgot about this.

In post 4974, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4971, Ankamius wrote:FTR I find it really weird that Nacho didn't know the results PV claimed he got too.

?

The type of results. I find it bizarre that you wouldn't check for that before making your post responding to my claim that SC is conftown.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:04 am

A lot of my case is that the reasoning for you being town is weaker than everyone else's (especially now that we know there last SK made only half the kills we're thought it did), but the point against you from the start of D2 exists.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:07 am

Also why do you think the last SK has been very active?

Ankamius · Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:44 am

That's not a very strong argument. You don't have to be specifically active in the game in order to be able to put in a kill attempt every night.

That's the type of argument you make when your conclusions are already at there and you need to be more sure that you're correct.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:34 am

In post 4989, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4978, Ankamius wrote:Oh right forgot about this.

In post 4974, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4971, Ankamius wrote:FTR I find it really weird that Nacho didn't know the results PV claimed he got too.

?

The type of results. I find it bizarre that you wouldn't check for that before making your post responding to my claim that SC is conftown.

I didn't check because I'm about 90% on cops not picking up on the SK and how the investigations are worded didn't really factor into my end conclusion.

Why don't they, exactly?

Ankamius · Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:02 pm

Nope, there's only an even-night SK left.

Ankamius · Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:45 am

My god is it really Garmr?

Ankamius · Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:59 am

Like Rach towntells so much but her thought processes and motivations reek no matter what I look at. If we're going to have to use both lynches we have, I can't suggest leaving Rach because there's no way I will ever have a strong read either way again.

Ankamius · Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:20 am

I'm way too disengaged from this game because nothing makes any sense anymore.

If Garmr's not SK, I'm just going to be mad that Rach got away with it.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:07 pm

In post 5027, RachMarie wrote:Nacho

Why do you feel so strongly about Ank? I had a fairly strong town read on his pred, Mom.

Nope. Don't try to pull this.

VOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: RachMarie

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:16 pm

In post 3486, RachMarie wrote:
feeling pretty good about Ank he can go in my town pile
He also brings up a good point for those who say Mollie is the SK lynch her with fire, At this stage in a large game, having the double deaths works against the scum. Why look so hard for the SK? He or she may be antitown, but so far has done a lot to help with finding scum. If we get all the maf lynched or they get NKed by the SK, that helps town at this point, later we can catch the SK.

House you are off base but that is ok you keep thinking I am scum whilst I think you are, sooner or later we will know who is right Though why would you as town soft defend someone you think is scum, I have no clue on?

Anyone else you think is scum, or maybe some town reads?

This explanation is a lot more detailed than anything she ever put on Mom (literally nothing but "I think Mom is town" and "I disagree with you on HI") which indicates to me that it would stick out in her mind a lot more than anything Mom ever did, putting aside the fact that I replaced in day 2.

Add on that half the Mom-case is basically irrelevant and the rest can just as easily apply to an SK that's trying to scumhunt and you have a scum whiteknight in progress.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:16 pm

Oh hey, I'm lynched.

Good luck in LyLo. Don't forget to kill Rach with fire.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:16 pm

SC if you're town, that vote was complete garbage.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:17 pm

Oh I'm not lynched, I thought Nacho was voting me.

Forget I said anything.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:18 pm

But no seriously, the Mom angle makes no sense and I don't get why she would try to go that angle as town.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Towntells as in "why would anti-town do this", not towntells as in "this makes it impossible for them to be anti-town".

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:22 pm

In post 5051, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5049, Ankamius wrote:But no seriously, the Mom angle makes no sense and I don't get why she would try to go that angle as town.

Why would she take it as scum?
I still don't get the thing where you voted her for asking why I was scumreading you.

That wasn't the part I was objecting to. I was objecting to using Mom's ISO as the reason and not mine.

Taking a roundabout way to go about defending me makes it a lot harder to fight against or object to while still getting towncred when I flip town.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:23 pm

In post 5053, Nachomamma8 wrote:More specifically, "why would last SK ever do this" type of towntells I pointed out that Rach dropped at the end of yesterday.

Why would TWIE completely go back on a scumread on the FBI Agent the moment he claims?

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:29 pm

The point is that trying to figure out things based on actions and reactions has never worked for me this game so far.

I can't really imagine anyone being that afraid if you have their back either.

Ankamius · Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:36 pm

In post 5060, Nachomamma8 wrote:If you're not hunting by actions and reactions, then what are you hunting by exactly?

I hunt by the why, not the what.

In post 5061, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4999, RachMarie wrote:SC is not mafia based on cop clear, but that does not mean he is not SK.

Ank replaced Mom hmmm going to take another look at Mom.

Garmr I am not sure about you there are things that make me think you are the other SK but some of the things make me think you could be town. I need to take another look at you.

This is Rach's post before she started her readthrough yesterday. Her wagon was at 2/3 needed. Your wagon was at 1. Garmr's wagon was at 1. The two players voting her were you and Garmr. She has no defined stances except for a townread on me (and I didn't have a wagon on me, so pretty much complete freedom to vote whatever wagon she wants), and there is less than a day until deadline, meaning expectation is that people will compromise. Instead of voting a you wagon or a garmr wagon (thus killing someone suspicious of her AND getting 1 of two required mislynches), she voted SC who had no votes on him and wasn't voting her. Lack of fear because I was protecting her doesn't explain that, especially since I hadn't really vocally come out in her defense at that point.

I don't think that's as big of a towntell as you say it is. StrangerCoug makes the most sense as a target if you think about it as disinterested scum who thinks they're probably screwed but wants the path of least resistance if they manage to survive that day phase.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:48 am

Meaning that she's less likely to get pressure back from it. Garmr definitely will retaliate and at that point I was unpredictable enough that she can't really be sure with me.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:51 am

Because lessening a scumread by buddying is a thing. Also more likely to get pressured into a situation where she can't retaliate very well.

SC has been calm and consistent about his reads.

Ankamius · Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:26 pm

Does anyone else have anything to say?

Ankamius · Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:34 pm

I'm so mad that I had the last two scums in my sights for a couple day phases each... then completely missed TWIE... then only got my head out of my ass after I broke down and stopped thinking.

I still think that RachMarie's post about defending me using the Mom ISO was a slip. Something was very wrong with that post.