Butcher, Baker, Pastry-Maker Mafia - Dogged

[Espeonage]

Andy, the flavour involves time travel and that makes me very sad. Or [REDACTED] was shit which I refuse to believe because you an awesome baker.

So therefore,

Vote: Shadow Dancer

Why did you refuse to be arbitrary?

This was the shortest rvs ever.

[Espeonage]

Why did you make a random vote when rvs has already ended?

[Espeonage]

Because Shadow Dancer is scum.

In other news Andy reminds me why I love him.

[Espeonage]

So therefore,

Vote: Shadow Dancer

Why did you refuse to be arbitrary?
This was the shortest rvs ever.

Interressant...

Was it your vote or mine which ended, according to you, the RVS?

Either idc either way.

[Espeonage]

You have seen flashwagons. YOu know they happen <.<
Look at the playerlist for a moment.

If there was every going to be a playerlist to go, "you now what, lets lynch this guy, like right now" it would be this one.

[Espeonage]

but guys i don't think toogooloodles is that scummy
what about seraphim, could we lynch him instead?

No, seraphims part of the class of 09/10. He has to stay for a couple of days. Didn't you read the rules.

[Espeonage]

Kise, I swear to Christ. Don't make me vote you.

Unfortunately I'm having similar feelings.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Gollum

Miller claims aren't scummy in and of themselves, and millers seem to be in vogue atm.

[Espeonage]

@Nika: Do you have a filling or a topping?

[Espeonage]

UT, your keenness for day 1 to be over is showing, and not in the good way.

[Espeonage]

UT, your keenness for day 1 to be over is showing, and not in the good way.

mmm no at this point I found a scum and want to lynch it

The unfortunate issue is that you really haven't.

[Espeonage]

Stocks gifs get you no points. That's just being lazy.

[Espeonage]

I'd rather just annoy you in to being less close minded.

It's ok, we'll get there.

[Espeonage]

one of zor's games I think.

i <3 u ut

[Espeonage]

Because gollum is scum.

[Espeonage]

The second one.

[Espeonage]

I feel like the conviction for the read is unfounded with how toog reacted to the wagon and I feel that you should be advocating other wagons for the time being. Especially considering how this playerlist gains and handles wagon momentum means that if a precedent for blocs is set early it will be detrimental to the game later.

If some of the more charismatic players are scum and we go down the path of lynching based on momentum, town is gonna lose quickly.

[Espeonage]

Imma catch up soon.

[Espeonage]

i am posting from my ps as i lack computer access for idk how long shouldnt be more than a couple of days. will catch up when i can

[Espeonage]

Here, behind, reck is scum because 1 post smells bad and that is how you catch reck scum. More later.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Shaft

Reck is scum too.

[Espeonage]

That's just plain wrong gamma.
3/3/11 is pretty balanced numbers wise. Second scumteam generally hurts scum collectively in balance.

[Espeonage]

Considering that 2/2/9 is generally balanced, tell me how adding 6 town players is justified.

I don't know if you are spinning shit because you want to spin shit or spinning shit to throw people off all game, either way, it's bad man.

[Espeonage]

Reck, how did you manage to abate my issues with you and then resurface them in the space of less than a minute's worth of reading.

Gamma is totes scum though.

Also, what if there is only one scum team?

[Espeonage]

Like, if you read the rules, it can be interpreted that you could have moldy and burnt in the same team.

Vote: Gamma

I like this.

[Espeonage]

That's how they get you man.

[Espeonage]

Why you need to say it's a serious vote?

[Espeonage]

like honestly

is it that difficult to have a discussion about what the scumteam likely is without people (hint:people is espeonage) going DURR YOUR THEORY IS WRONG YOU MUST BE SCUMZ.

I'll actually post player-related content later in the game day I promise.

You being wrong has very little as to why it makes you scum.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Shaft

[Espeonage]

nope

[Espeonage]

nope

[Espeonage]

Unlike the previous two, I don't know the answer to that one.

[Espeonage]

Because he's scum and I am awesome at picking scum.

[Espeonage]

Idk man, like his line just before with me was all kinds of wonked. He might be scum.

Reck has been giving me hibbiegibbies tho.

[Espeonage]

Couple if weird things he posted. Nothing but the odd weird post that sets me off. But I am generally very tight with Reck and don't like letting him live long in to games. It's like a respect thing.

[Espeonage]

He scum

[Espeonage]

He scum

oh ye, that makes perfect sense

Finally someone sees the worth of my reasoning, thank you.

[Espeonage]

Idk man, like his line just before with me was all kinds of wonked. He might be scum.

Reck has been giving me hibbiegibbies tho.

yeah man trying to figure out wtf you're thinking when you haven't provided any insight ever is tooootally scummy, you got me.

Well trying really hard to get a read on me when I'm not budging could go either way so I'm wary. If it's any consolation, people's reactions to me at the moment are a goldmine for reads. If I can be a rogue element for a day or two I can play back in to the game.

I'm only read a little under half the thread.

[Espeonage]

Hey reck, feel like data-searching for me to see when I'm accurate with you?

[Espeonage]

I kinda just want to see blood flow.

Not really that fussed where it come from for the moment.

[Espeonage]

I have no reads.

Someone please tell me why Kise is being wagoned

Because I think he's scum and I am a wonderful brilliant flawless scumhunter.

Town has to win this game btw, if only for flavour reasons.

[Espeonage]

I'll have you know I am lurking this game on purpose.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Nika

Your argument lines have been nagging at me all game, and yeah, I'm cool with your lynch.

[Espeonage]

Intent to hammer.

[Espeonage]

The idea that letting Jesters win is a bad idea is dumb.

Unvote, Vote: Shaft

[Espeonage]

And I just remembered the no Jesters rule, ah wells.

[Espeonage]

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

[Espeonage]

#notallteemos

FUCK UP AND GET OUT. TEEMO NEEDS DEATH. HE'S JUST A SHIT QUINN.

[Espeonage]

He's at L-4. Live a little.

[Espeonage]

plz stop piling votes on me thx!

Vote: Reck

L-1

[Espeonage]

unvote

votes are made to be used bro.

[Espeonage]

Mod: Is a moldy doctor a doctor that is moldy or a doctor that only works on mold?

[Espeonage]

Can we lynch gamma?

I don't have a reason to, but can we do it?

[Espeonage]

@esp-were you one of the people saying the same thing about nik

cause really now

i'm not obvtown but i think it's pretty clear that im likely town for how i've been scumhunting here

nah I wasn't

[Espeonage]

Will people get mad if I hammer?

I think Reck is town though.

[Espeonage]

See the stickler for me is the targets.

As a cop, optimal play is to investigate someone that is able to carry a town if they get an innocent while also being difficult to read. I don't think the targets fit the bill.

[Espeonage]

Something just popped into my head... if Nikanor is scum, then he'd probably know about the multiball and different faction types and moldy versus burnt flavoring, which would make a D1 miller claim a really easy thing to do in order to float by most of the game. Hmmmm.

It also hardly makes sense for their to be a miller for one type of scum and not for another type of scum IMO

This post also doesn't fit the claim.

[Espeonage]

"The

'mafia' faction(s)

is(are) comprised of modified baked goods and pastries which are either Moldy or Burnt."

uhhhh ??? ^

pedit: ah ok

This one too.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Reck

It's done, sue me.

[Espeonage]

The fact that Reck was being a dick with the gifs that I hadn't seen previously but saw while looking through his iso for his stance on the dicussions about the rules to do with factions might have made the hammer fall quicker.

[Espeonage]

[Espeonage]

Vote: Gamma

The post hammer distancing was real.

[Espeonage]

Oh it should be noted that Reck's mafia flavour points to a moldy only mafia.

[Espeonage]

It should be noted that I have a reason for my posting style and it is on purpose. And that is all I will say on it for now.

[Espeonage]

Gamma and Kali are my top picks for scum right now.

[Espeonage]

Yeah they do.

[Espeonage]

Why?

Because I says so. I was right about reck on day 1.

[Espeonage]

I have a theory that Eaten is SK.

[Espeonage]

You know I haven't read any of this game.

[Espeonage]

Dram, how do you get "there's a few missing kills" and there's no burnt mafia?

Served Flambe certainly looks consistent with burnt.

#vig

[Espeonage]

Lynch lycnh lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch wooo

BLOOD BLOOD BLOOOOOOOOOOOD

[Espeonage]

I have a theory that people with Rhizo filling will become treestumps when they die, as Rhizo means roots.

[Espeonage]

I'll be honest, I'm finding it hard to engage with this game right now. I tend to play by my gut a lot and I don't have anything to go on, and the leads I had were completely wrong (thought shaft was scum and reckoner was town).

This is why we lynch Gamma.

Would you vote with me if I said I had a cop guilty on him? I don't, but would you?

[Espeonage]

wat if its insider knowledges

I have no reason for thinking gamma is scum tbh. But I didn't for Reck either until the day he got lynched and I called that day 1 too. Shaft was the exception to the listen to Esp rule.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: TF

The mix up of scum qt knowledge is strong with this one.

[Espeonage]

Well it totes wasn't a guilty.

[Espeonage]

Using my awesome deduction skills I have decided that reading the scum pt was the best way to find scum.

And in it Seraphim said NS was lynch bait.

Now I respect this game as much as the next person, but if my scum buddies are going to play ez mode, I don't see why I shouldn't make it harder.

[Espeonage]

owait

[Espeonage]

I'm sorry Reck.

Well fuck it,

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

It's basically over now.

[Espeonage]

Well Titus, I just messed up big time, threw myself under the bus with Seraphim.

[Espeonage]

You guys are supposed to be lynching Seraphim.

[Espeonage]

I gotta go for like 10 mins. I'll brb.

[Espeonage]

If I say I'm not scum will you believe me?

[Espeonage]

Until Death Do Us Part

Ok, it was a bad gambit. pls wait for mod.

[Espeonage]

tbh, that was like hella derp. I totes would have just been modkilled if I was telling the truth.

Espe is a dum dum.

Hope there is a doc.

[Espeonage]

btw, in terms of reactions to it, I think that Seraphim, TF and Gamma look the worst, in that order.

[Espeonage]

Ser looks worst just because he made an "incredulous post" first which points to wanting to make it seem less credible instead of me just being derp as hell.

[Espeonage]

I totes would have just been modkilled if I was telling the truth.

Main reason I didn't believe you.

Well until the mod actually came in, you guys wouldn't have known.

Andy, can you disregard my action? Or is it too late for that?

[Espeonage]

Andy, can you disregard my action? Or is it too late for that?

probs should bold it.

[Espeonage]

Hey it happens to the best of us. We've already had one modkill this game.

NS, what do you think of the reactions to the slip?

[Espeonage]

Hey gamma, what do you think of Seraphim's reaction based on that it was a pretty see through gambit?

[Espeonage]

If it helps gamma, I'm not town. So any reasons you have for pegging me as town are probably stupid and shouldn't be noted.

[Espeonage]

Thoughts on the theory that Kalimar is scum because of Reck's fakelcaim?

[Espeonage]

What about Titus buddying?

[Espeonage]

with me or am i forgetting someone?

if with me i'd give it a very slight town points but given that it's with me i'm kinda biased to that I think

Nah to me.

[Espeonage]

y'know what.

Titus and Seph both scums.

[Espeonage]

What the fuck, you said you are not town again ater being revealed as town?

ssssh


sssshhhhh

it'll be okay

How strong is your grip on this?

Espy is just pissing me off with his nonsense.

Dats how u get the scums to slip up

[Espeonage]

Basically the real question I have is why Sera did what he did in reaction to my posts. He goes wtf and then votes.

Town Sera knows it isn't true, he goes, why are you doing this even if you are scum you know it's not true and it puts a target on your head too. That makes no sense.

Scum Sera goes, I know he's lying, but no one else does except my buddies, I need to make sure he gets lynched, distance myself from what he said and then I'm fine after he's gone.

You tell me what mentality Sera had.

[Espeonage]

thats not very nice titus

That's just saying you do not obvtown. Hell the only obvtown atm to me makes zero sense.

hi

[Espeonage]

try again you put in too much punctuation

[Espeonage]

I'm aware Espy is town.
So is the majority of the players.
Doesn't make them magically RELIABLE.
I get that his suspicion is genuine, but

espy

.

I think mastin did a thing once where she said I have among the most accurate gut on site.

[Espeonage]

Although my gut read is gamma.

[Espeonage]

my main issue with the sera wagon is that it has espy and tn on it.

Dram just obvtowned. I don't see scum pissing off the IC while most everyone is lost.

You have obviously never played with Dram and I in the same game together. He did nothing that moved him anywhere from null.

[Espeonage]

You already hammered Titus

[Espeonage]

Titus is being a dumb again.

[Espeonage]

Okay, so.

Just tell me who to vote and I'll show up and do it.

dram. Or tn. No way both of them are town.

do you have any reason for thinking dram is scum aside from him voting you?

Have you considered the timing of dram's sudden burst of activity and how it coincides with my claim as vig? He's been more or less lurking all game, and he chooses now of all times to suddenly push me heavily? I'd put tn and dram together as scum actually, using the cover of the IC to push a bullshit wagon.

Good luck with whatever shit you've got going, NS. Sorry to see you leave

Dram does this regardless of alignment.

[Espeonage]

Sera, truth be told. You claim reeks of being SK tbh.

[Espeonage]

Because I'm awesome and didn't let one happen.

[Espeonage]

Maybe because apathy has never been alignment indicative.

[Espeonage]

There's really not.

[Espeonage]

I say I'm going to do stuff without having the intension of ever doing at as both alignments.

[Espeonage]

tbh the reluctance for sera and the lazy tn counterwagon leads me to believe that if tn were to flip scum it would point even more heavily to sera scum

[Espeonage]

and super dopey

[Espeonage]

tn totes aint scum.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Gamma

This happens today. There is absolutely no reason why gamma shouldn't have been killed last night over dram.

I am not going to move my vote for the entirety of the game until Gamma is dead. He is scum and trying to get credit from bussing. He looked weird after Reck got hammered and it's the kind of self destruct that Reck does to try and get him teammates clear. I've seen this shit happen before and there is no way I am letting it happen again.

[Espeonage]

Gamma is going to win this game if he doesn't get lynched today. I am literally the only resistance he is going to have for the rest of the game and if he doesn't get lynched today the game is just over.

[Espeonage]

Purely maths it is still best to lynch gamma.

The fact that he is so town in everyone but my eyes and that I AM SO FUCKING SURE OF THIS means that even if he is town, which he isn't, he should be lynched today because we have one more mislynch left and he is going to rip any lylo to shreds if he is alive.

Gamma dies today.

[Espeonage]

I am the only fucking person anyone can trust right now, and I say we lynch Gamma.

So we are fucking lynching Gamma.

[Espeonage]

The fact of the matter is that with who is left alive in this game, I can not in good conscience let you stay alive for the simple reason that if you are scum and you don't get lynched today, the game is over.

[Espeonage]

I popcorn Gamma first.

[Espeonage]

I'd buy the inventor.

#fillingsandtoppings

[Espeonage]

I should probs talk about how I am reading everyone right now.

Yakko - town
TN - town
TF - Town
Gamma - Scum
Titus - mebbe scum
PV - null
Kal - mebbe scum

[Espeonage]

Titus being dumb is generally a scumtell. :/

[Espeonage]

This is very important question.

The inventions that you have been given are they toppings or fillings, I think I know already but I just want to check because it changes things.

[Espeonage]

tn is 100% town for reasons. I feel like a detective.

[Espeonage]

Ok time to set aside stuff and look objectively at the game.

I am town.
tn is town.
One of PV and Gamma is scum because reasons (actually kind of complex but I think I'm right here)
I did some reading of key points, I think Titus is scum. (relational and weird titus quirks mostly)
So poe says the rest are town.

Unvote, Vote: Titus

I want this.

[Espeonage]

If I was ok with doing that I probably would have done it already.

[Espeonage]

Ok so it's mainly to do with the fact that I am still alive and that Gamma was pretty hard on PV for a while.

We know that Gamma isn't the inventor and we know if that they aren't scum together, Gamma wouldn't have bussed on PV at that stage of the game given the way wagons were forming and pushing through.

So we deduce they can't be scum together.

Now I am alive. PV knows that he probably has the only protection, however he can't kill me or the inventor would come down on him like a cop on a scum result.
So he's not clear.

Gamma is either on song or scum, I trust Gamma's grip on this game if he is town, that means that PV is either scum and Gamma isn't or PV isn't scum and Gamma is.

And that kind of logic never usually works but I feel like at this point in the game I need to either trust or get rid of Gamma.

[Espeonage]

I'm not really going to give any reasoning behind the tn read but he is defs town.

[Espeonage]

And I have Titus tells and it is recent but she did her major one so she is scum.

[Espeonage]

I honestly doubt Yakko is scum here.

[Espeonage]

The tn vote earlier seems like dumb town rather than scum.

[Espeonage]

And what would the relevancy be? That they're the same? Because that isn't relevant.

If someone did something as scum in a sample size of 1, (and this is being generous, there are many many self aware players out there) then it doesn't matter in the slightest.

You got anything better?

[Espeonage]

:/

Ok, I like Gamma's case, it seems ok.

I'm going to scratch my tn read, I think it was based on some dodgy logic. Still probs town tho.

I have issues with the clearing of Titus without knowing what Reck's actual role was.

PVs self case for town makes me feel iffy but looks solid, however he is good enough to set it up.

Kali idek but I'm going to chuck him in town.

Gamma can be town until tomorrow.

Yakko might be scum, but if he is he could be being bussed. Tempted to hammer to see what happens.

TF is probs town.

[Espeonage]

I would like to see Yakko claim.

[Espeonage]

:/

Fuck

Intent to hammer.

[Espeonage]

Yakko claim

[Espeonage]

You have claimed the 1 shot RB, but do you have a role other than that?

[Espeonage]

Vote: Yakko

[Espeonage]

K so I'm not dead.

[Espeonage]

btw, almost certainly lylo right now. Extra death is fucked.

[Espeonage]

Who was the one shot vig?

[Espeonage]

Shut. Did you kill someone last night?

[Espeonage]

that's fair.

[Espeonage]

EVERYONE IN YOUR NEXT POST

You will say either:
1. I did not kill anyone last night.
2. I did kill someone last night, it was (Gamma/PV).
3. I did not kill anyone last night but I am probably responsible for (Gamma/PV)'s death because <insert reason here>.

After everyone has posted this. I will determine a claim order and we will have a massclaim.

[Espeonage]

Also, don't anyone fucking dare not do this shit. If you do not do what I asking and you are town then town deserves to lose for having you on side.

[Espeonage]

I'm actually mad at the fact that I'm not dead because it evidently means scum don't give a shit about my day play. Which is pretty shit after I caught Sera out of nowhere.

[Espeonage]

I'm sorry Gamma btw. I think you understood my paranoia, and I did manage to set it aside. I am sorry though. Hopefully we can have victory hugs postgame.

[Espeonage]

What the fuck kind of scumteam leaves a confirmed town in lylo? Like seriously. Am I that shit of a player to you? Do you have a rolecop and know there's a protective role?

[Espeonage]

Thank you kali.

Btw, I think PV was probably a JOAT of some kind. I looked up funnel cake and nothing immediately springs to mind. Doesn't look like something that would grant toppings, however I didn't think he was the inventor anyway.

[Espeonage]

ah, ok nvm that then.

[Espeonage]

I have a hunch on what's happening with the NKs but I'm not 100% sold on it. I'll reveal my thoughts once everyone has responded.

[Espeonage]

Waiting on TF and tn.

[Espeonage]

So she had two actions?

[Espeonage]

Kali, can you please answer the question I posted.

[Espeonage]

The one about are you responsible for a death?

Now, @TF: Why did you target tn so many times in a row?

[Espeonage]

Titus unvote, IT IS LYLO. You do not vote until we're ready. So fucking unvote.

[Espeonage]

Unovte Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Unvote Titus

[Espeonage]

Ok see the issue is that town has to lynch scum today.

If it is 2/2/1 and SK gets lynched.
2/2 in to night is lose.

If Scum gets lynched 2/1/1 deoending on how the kills fall, it either becomes kingmaker, town win, sk win or scum win.

I would rather take the chance to win.

[Espeonage]

Can the inventor claim please.

[Espeonage]

Look at how much power town has.

12/4/1 with a bunch of town power makes a hell of a lot more sense than 13/3/1 with a bunch of power. Look at the shit town has. There are definitely 2 groupscum left.

[Espeonage]

Titus shut up.

[Espeonage]

Ok it's potentially viable that Yakko was given the roleblock night 2 and the slot held on to it.

[Espeonage]

Titus, we don't know what Reck's power did, stop acting like you do.

[Espeonage]

^^ Baseless conclusion. The scum have a framer, a roleblocker plus whatever Seph was and an SK. It makes sense that the town is ewually powerful.

Jailkeep
IC
Cop
Doctor
Tracker

Possible

Why would TF never be blocked if we are doen to one scum? He proved when he tracked Reck he had good instincts.

You are not answering the various questions I have posted but merely restating your story.

Roleblocker was town.

[Espeonage]

You don't.

I'm not listening.

Yes actually.

[Espeonage]

Rolecop for one.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Titus

Is the game over?

[Espeonage]

The silence and lack of Woo we won makes me happy that Titus is probably scum.

[Espeonage]

Woooo, game not over.

[Espeonage]

Like if I live through the night for lulz I am going to be so pleased.

Why the fuck wasn't I killed last night.

You're all making me think that I must be universally seen as a bad player.

I'm not sure how your wincons play out, but unless you guys know how the shit goes down in an SK/Maf 2 player endgame, you should probably be trying to kill each other over the town players in case it's an auto lose. If one of you shoots town and the other shoots opposite, the one that shot opposite wins no matter what. If you both shoot the same town, it goes to kingmaker.

Now if I was one of you two, I'd be trying for the middle option. You've got a 50% chance of shooting your opposite, and they have a 50% chance of shooting the unknown town ensuring your wincon.

If only one of you goes for the kingmaker route, well, that's game. And not in the person who wanted kingmaker's favour.

[Espeonage]

Hey, if you're telling the truth, we get a hell of a day tomorrow.

But hey, if SK believes you and is wrong, that's the game over for him/her.

[Espeonage]

Because by lying, you give your scum partner the chance because they won't get shot by the SK.

[Espeonage]

How you know there isn't shenanigans?

I could see a town fakeclaimed here.

And I know you well enough to know that if you do have a partner still alive, you would be trying to make everyone think you didn't regardless.

[Espeonage]

Hey look if Kali is SK then I'll eat my hat.

I actually have a theory on shenanigans.

[Espeonage]

I'm also going to let everyone know that I messaged Andy at the start of the day with predictions and so far I am correct.

[Espeonage]

I want to be in lylo tomorrow, catch the last non town and revel in catching four scum and winning a game that town was otherwise failing.

Like who the fuck tracks the same person for 3 nights after getting no result EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[Espeonage]

Thank you for running the game.

I wasn't really sure how to best use my role, so I kinda improved and tried to create as much confusion as I could to get some shit going. It let me hammer Reck without fear of retribution and I think I did all right with catching Sera out of nowhere. I'm glad of that.

SK was powerful but that doesn't take away from the fact that TF didn't get lynched the entire game so kudos for winning. Scum played really well too and got hella unlucky.