BM's Mystery Mafia!! GAME OVER???

[somestrangeflea]

Original Roll String: 1d17

1 17-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

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^First post!

Vote: Oman

You try to argue with dice.

[somestrangeflea]

Remember, 10 votes required to lynch.

Is this, in fact, correct. If so we must have a double voter.

Uh...
18/2=9
9+1 = 10

10 votes is a majority of 18 players.

[somestrangeflea]

OK...
Oman speculated on the setup...
JDodge voted Oman for fishing...
GodOfWine voted JDodge for... I don't know. The posts seem to make out that JDodge was fishing, but I think it's a possible misinterpretation/miswording...

In conclusion... uh...

Unvote, Vote: JDodge

.

I would like some sort of clarification from GoW though...

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Somestrangeflea- Most scummy to me so far. Voted JDodge directly after Jordan did and he didn't look like he had good logic behind it. I get the feeling he's trying to blend in, which I don't like.

Apologies. I normally attempt to start games with an early bandwagon, whether it has a base or not, to attempt to get information. At that point, JDodge seemed to be an ideal target, so I voted him. Since the wagon has slowed, I will now

Unvote

.

[somestrangeflea]

I'm willing to accept that GoW may've made a joke in his post that backfired. I'll be watching him more closely though, just to see if there are any other possible "mass misinterpretations"...

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How do you explain his vote ?

What? I'm supposed to be able to explain other people's votes now? Come on!

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I was thinking you might attribute his reason for voting JDodge to something you've already done or thought of doing, the way your random mind works I wouldn't be surprised of this.

What is your gut feeling on GoW ? Scum ? Town ? Which one...

Gut feeling for everyone starts off Town and then slowly degrades into Scum.

My GoW gut hasn't degraded enough for me to say that I think he's scummy.

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Ah, so show us your scumlist, if that's not too much to ask.

You simulposted this with 3 people, I think...

Who is this aimed at?

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I don't have a scumlist.
I never suspected Oman of fishing in the first place, I've explained my wagonvote on JDodge, I've said that I accept GoW's explanation for his post, and nothing else has really happened so far!

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So you think everyone is town, am I right ?

No, I don't think everyone is Town, that's just stupid. I think that everyone is Town

ie

. Well, actually, I don't anymore...

-This

Gut feeling for everyone starts off Town and then slowly degrades into Scum.

What's wrong with that?

-AND this

I don't have a scumlist.

Yeah, dragging quotes out of context is fun isn't it...?

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No, I don't think everyone is Town, that's just stupid. I think that everyone is Town

ie

.

Explain the difference. I think you are splitting hairs.

Town = Aligned with the majority of players in the game.
Townie = Behaving in a Town way.

-This

Gut feeling for everyone starts off Town and then slowly degrades into Scum.

What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that that is a recipe for disaster. In this game, I think it's better to consider everyone scum or neutral. Thinking that everyone is town is how people fly under the radar for so long. All you have to do is not slip up.

By that logic, if no-one slips up, then everyone is scum/neutral.

-AND this

I don't have a scumlist.

Yeah, dragging quotes out of context is fun isn't it...?

How was I dragging that out of context? This is the whole quote:

I don't have a scumlist.
I never suspected Oman of fishing in the first place, I've explained my wagonvote on JDodge, I've said that I accept GoW's explanation for his post, and nothing else has really happened so far!

What about that quote adds to the context. The bottom line is you were saying you don't find anyone scummy at the moment. If that's the case, maybe you aren't looking hard enough.[/quote]
Yeah. I explained that anyone I could place on my scumlist had found thier way off of it. Quoting just the first line makes it look as though I randomly dropped that line into conversation.

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BAH! bobbyplumps poor quoting skills have broken my post! This is sabotage!

What's with the "not anymore" comment, flea ? Who do you find scummy now ?

N9V is slowly sliding onto my scumlist... His last post seemed a tad tetchy...

Note to self, telling truth equals scum. Lying has more chances of being town. WTF. How does that work. Your attacking me because I didn't fully reread the thread, then go over what happened? THis doesn't make sence other than crap logic.

In other news, WTF is a question, and should be succeeded by a question mark. =P

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I call BS! You said you don't think everyone is Townie BEFORE (post 131) N9V made that post that you find scummy (Post 138).

For that argument to be valid, two things have to be true:

1. I have to have no other reasoning to be suspicious of N9V.
2. I have no suspicion in anyone else.

Now, because only one of them is true (Number 2), then your argument is false. However, because one of them is true, it does mean that I can see why you would think I was scummy because of it. I'll admit, that last post was incredibly broken, but, since I do actually have a point on N9V before I made that post, it's not actually scummy...

He seems to be chasing Oman down far too heavily in post 107.

It's quite obvious how many people there are. Look at the frount page before you post about how many people there are. It really makes you look like you are role-fishing.

No, you were fishing.

Sounds like fishing to me.

No, you were fishing. Stop trying to hide that with your mistake of seeing only 16.

I really don't think that there was any need to bring up the same point

that

much. It looked like filler, IMO.

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Whoops, forgot to

Unvote, Vote somestarngeflea

You were already voting for me! BM just ma- ahem...

BM got the votecount completely correct. Your initial vote was probably ignored because you didn't put any content or reasoning into it.

WE LOVE YOU BM!

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Oh, I see what really happened now...

MY BEAUTIFUL SLIGHTLY HUMOUROUS POST IS RUINED! =(

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Whoops, forgot to

Unvote, Vote somestarngeflea

You were already voting for me! BM just ma- ahem...

BM got the votecount completely correct. Your initial vote was probably ignored because you didn't put any content or reasoning into it.

WE LOVE YOU BM!

Actually N9V's initial vote was ignored because he forgot to Unvote, as i think he realised. Its the same reason i won't be recognising Nelly's vote on N9V.
However, your appreciation of excellent modding is gladly accepted.

Yes I quickly realised that the moment after making the post.

I don't feel good about it! =D

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For that argument to be valid, two things have to be true:

1. I have to have no other reasoning to be suspicious of N9V.
2. I have no suspicion in anyone else.


Now, because only one of them is true (Number 2), then your argument is false

I, this time will call BS. I don't understand AT ALL why there has to be no other reasoning to be suspicious of N9V. The problem was that you said (along the lines of) "I think everyone is [town alligned]...well not anymore" and then when confronted claimed the "not anymore" was N9V. My question now to you is this: Who ELSE do you think is not town alligned?

I'm going to clarify what the problem was...

My initial broken argument was that I said that I was suspicious of N9V in one post (Post A), then N9V posted (Post B), and then I used that post as a point of suspicion (Post C). In C, I said that A caused B, even though B occured after A, which makes no sense.
However, the numbered points were to demonstrate something. If both of those were true, meaning I had no other reason to suspect N9V

and

I had no other suspects, then I would have been guilty of a stupidly large logical fallacy. However, because one of them was true, in that case, the second point, then I did have other reasoning to be suspicious of N9V because of his actions in an earlier post (Post X). Now, since X occurred before A, A now makes sense. C is an awful post though.

I'm sorry I had to clarify that in such a messy way but I felt it necessary.

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F) SSF is mafia fishing for power roles and Nelly created a powerful point to draw attention away from that. >.>

How does this point (which I have no how you reached), relate to the topic of "the options as to why NV9 may consider JDodge indisputably town"?

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Seems our torrid pace has slowed. I'm doing this ONLY to force conversation. I think N9V looks scummy, but still think Flea looks scummier.

Unvote
Vote: N9V

Maybe lynch -3 will get him talking.

Yeah, you're right... No posts in 36 minutes really puts us at risk of a deadline...

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Unvote, vote bobbyplump

I don't like his recent voting. Very suspicious.

Incredibly.

Vote: bobby

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I personally like Booby's move. It forces the suspected to talk.

And it looks like your hopping a bandwagon again without really citing any reasons. I hate this sort of play and I've seen it from you before this game.

My first metagame! I feel so warm and fuzzy! Next thing you know I'll have a playstyle![/joke 1]

Lol, "booby"[/joke 2]

Indeed, I do have a meta for bandwagoning, but I thought that bobby's reasoning that he was bandwagoning to move discussion along was a little far-fetched, IMHO.[/serious business]

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I leave the thread for half an hour and this happens.

I can honestly say I wasn't expecting that!

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Uhm,

Unvote

, I guess...

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I'm torn, personally.

I'm currently finding it incredibly difficult to decide whether or not to vote for ~N9V~, whose recent disappearance has done nothing to improve my suspicions on him, or ABR, who, despite how scummy bobby was being, we have to scrutinize simply for being "the guy who killed the Cop on Day 1".

I shall likely reach some form of a decision soon. In other news...

No, I'm not going to claim, because nobody would believe me. But, the one thing that can hold off my death, is, well...I killed bobby.

This post is forever to be considered as the definition of irony.

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=(

I'm waiting for ~N9V~, to be honest. We have had many questions for him for some time, and I would love an answer, since he himself can give them...

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Vote: ~N9V~

The fact that he has said nothing since replacing in seems bizarre to say the least.

With 4 days till deadline, ~N9V~ really needs to say some words.

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Of course I'm totally wrong if I'm incorrect about planning this in advance. Does anyone know if it is possible that BM has done this spontaneously? New players?

Hmm. The replacement thread mentioned that 4 of the replacements would be guaranteed to be in the game within a few weeks, so it's far from spontaneous.

A few notes:
1. Only

3

new players have joined. This means that, if I understand correctly, there will be another player joining us.
2. Whilst players entering the game as a

concept

is far from spontaneous, the

timing

may be...

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In before prod!

Could someone give a "real" case against Oman? The only arguments we have right now look more like excuses.

I agree. TBH, I haven't seen anything particularly scummy on the part of Oman. Then again, I suck... =(

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unvote, vote: tcs

fos: tcs
tcs is scum

unbold

This post is full of wrong. :\

I agree with the above post and have hence decided to quote it.

(AKA Keffed...)

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Vote: Oman

I agree with the wagon on Oman, and hence I have decided to join it.

In other words...

BFT!

(Bandwagonned for Truth, obvobv...)

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Just a quick thought. I'm Jesus, GoW (assuming town) is King Arthur, and Bobbie was Michael Jordan. Maybe we're great men and women throughout time?

Yeah.

We all remember the great and wonderful change brought about by

a piece of brocolli

, don't we?

[somestrangeflea]

I need a bit of clarification here...

Mod: Is it actually possible for us to lynch again today, or is the deadline extension purely for "discussing this revelation", as you said?

[somestrangeflea]

So, by my count, deadline hits on the 21st, correct?

I really don't think we'll get a full majority before then, so we're probably gonna have to prepare for another no-lynch.

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: CES

Less than 1.5 hours till deadline, IICC...

[somestrangeflea]

So, let me get this straight, we won't find out Oman's actual alignment until the start of Day 6, correct?

Suck...

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: Setael

~N9V~'s replacement now has an acceptable wagon. This pleases me somewhat.

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Please give me an argument against Setael that's not just a quote of another argument. That condition is just pre-emptive.

Setael:

• is ~N9V~.

Yeah.

[somestrangeflea]

In the event that we are facing a no-lynch closer to deadline, I will switch to Fritz to prevent it...

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: Fritzler

2 votes in 24 hours

seems

doable...

[somestrangeflea]

I don't like the fact that SSF did nothnig really but jump on wagons.

I don't like the fact that we've had to lynch using mindless bandwagons for the last 2 days, but you don't hear me bitchin'...

[somestrangeflea]

1. Setael. Because ~N9V~ is ~N9V~
2. MoS. Because "Because I said so", isn't valid, I think...

[somestrangeflea]

Just look at your sig. 40% scum. It's not scummy to take that into consideration.

It is, because it's a meaningless number.

It's not as though BM actually read it and thought "Oh, well MoS has been scum 39% of the time, I'll make him a ______". That's mod interference, and it shouldn't be a part of the game.

[somestrangeflea]

Lastly, 'ih is always scum' came around for a reason. Some people tend to 'pull' certain roles more than others.

Care to explain, please?

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How did "IH is always scum" come around, and what do you mean by "some people 'pull' certain more roles than others"?

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, just asking for clarification.

[somestrangeflea]

Apologies for recent inactivity. It's been a frantic weekend, and I'm going on an away for a few days. No idea how active I can be when I'm gone, but I'll be back on Friday.

If I need to be replaced, so be it...

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Uhm, would 3 days after Oman's death not be Night 5, which hasn't passed yet?