Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Vote: I am not I am not Varsoon

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Everyone knows only scum use puns, titus.

TSO has found two scum on page two, what a god.

That seems odd, considering that the scale of the game has been obvious for so long. Why did you only just realise that now?

I saw the size of the vote count.

There's a giant playerlist in the very first post. There's also a votecount in post #4. You managed to miss both of these lengthy posts?

Leaning scum since Dwlee vote is for something not indicative of alignment at all.

VOTE: Dwelee99

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Everyone knows only scum use puns, titus.

TSO has found two scum on page two, what a god.

That seems odd, considering that the scale of the game has been obvious for so long. Why did you only just realise that now?

I saw the size of the vote count.

There's a giant playerlist in the very first post. There's also a votecount in post #4. You managed to miss both of these lengthy posts?

Leaning scum since Dwlee vote is for something not indicative of alignment at all.

VOTE: Dwelee99

Your post seems to be seeking approval from others which is what I dislike.

It was a rhetorical question you are over thinking it.

It didn't appear as one to me.

Titus are you agreeing with TSO's reasons for voting Dwlee?

I wonder if titus has a post restriction or if they're doing this for their own amusement.

Why not put a vote on one of those people then?

Yup.

Varsoon why the caps spam?

You think your RVS vote on Suzune will go more places then someone who you think has rigid posts?

Dwlee is super awkward, especially 105 and 113, but I'm not sure if it's his playstyle or legitimate scumminess.
The GF crumb stuff needs to go away though, that would be absurd.

Then I'll put a vote down.
VOTE: Dwlee
Going to bed. Please don't explode the thread too much.

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Titus I appreciate the effort but oh my god this thread is going to be hard to read if you keep quoting all of your old quotes.

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I will now be Titus' translator.

In #371, Titus provided a picture of a hand to an ear, the universal sign for "listen".
She then posted a picture of dice. i.e. rolling dice ---> roll
She posted a picture of a no sign with a raised hammer in the background. The no sign obviously means "Stop". The hammer is raised. If let go, gravity will cause it to careen toward the earth or whatever stops it. Meaning that it will "drop".

So the complete message is "Listen. Stop, drop, and roll."

Clearly, Titus must have spotted a fire. This is the fire that should be put under the collective arses of the people not voting Dwlee to get them to do something useful. Like giving intent to hammer.

Thanks, Titus.

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"I'm a sexy dinosaur! Rawr!"
~Claptrap

Day 1, Vote Count #4:

(0)

Varsoon

(0)

Rob13

(0)

Starbuck

(0)

Aafter

(0)

beeboy

(0)

YT2980

(2)

I_Am_Not_Varsoon -- BRantz, PeregrineV

(1)

T S O -- CooLDoG

(0)

PeregrineV

(10)

Dwlee99 -- Titus, Varsoon, Elyse, Suzune, beeboy, T S O, Rob13, SirCakez, grapes, wgeurts

(0)

Suzune

(0)

BRantz

(0)

CooLDoG

(0)

Flubbernugget

(2)

Venmar -- I_Am_Not_Varsoon, popsofctown

(1)

grapes -- Dwlee99

(0)

wgeurts

(0)

Almost50

(0)

Titus

(1)

Nero Cain -- Venmar

(0)

Elyse

(0)

popsofctown

(0)

pisskop

(1)

SirCakez -- Nero Cain

Not Voting:

Starbuck, Aafter, Flubbernugget, Almost50, pisskop, YT2980

With 24 votes available, it takes 13 votes to hammer.

Day 1 Will End on Wednesday, February 24th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-02-24 20:00:00)

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That's Lowell's avatar, isn't it? But he's not in this game so if Titus wants him to post that makes no sense.

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Titus if you have a post restriction to post in pictures post a cat meme as your next post.

This is pretty fucking stupid.

{T S O, Titus, Cakez} is a town bloc that I'm really comfortable with.

Doesn't Titus think Cakez is scum buddies with DW?

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VOTE: SirCakez

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No meme this time, titus?

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Going to bed.
P-Edit: What the hell Titus why is Beeboy town?

Beeboy, your vote on Varsoon is a joke. Keeping it there only gives scum a reason to push you.

The only reason scum would push my vote is if it was on one of there scum buddies so I must have my vote in the right place!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

Let's be honest he is prob town.

After being fake hammered and fake vigged all while 12 people had the opportunity to actually hammer him he has done nothing scummy as a reaction. I also thought his reaction to being vigged was incredibly towny. Plus none of the claims against him are that great and I am getting bored of watching people pressure him and nothing be accomplished as a result.

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How is that indicative of scum TSO?

^ probably town

VOTE: pisskop

Absolutely no reason to make the entrance post you did as town.

Forgetting is different from not remembering when specifically asked if you've ever encountered a very specific situation before. I could buy that he didn't remember the previous reaction test dayvig when it happened here. I can't buy that he wouldn't remember when specifically asked by T S O.

Elyse scum-reading me for *reasons* after I say I'm getting weird vibes from her is pretty neat.

My townreads so far in no order:
SirCakez
Titus
T S O (protective roles should be on him tonight)
NotNot (weak one here, but it's there)
Cooldog
Pops (also kinda weak)
PeregrineV

Also, YT, the fuck are you on about? You're ignoring entirely the reasons why Dwlee is about to be lynched. Just reading your post, you'd think he was being wagoned for no reason or because of a bad early claim, not because he reacted in a weird way and then was found to be lying on something pretty important. Have you read up entirely?

That reads list from grapes is super town, by the way.

Mind giving your reason on Varsoon and Venmar? Varsoon has given me a few weird vibes. Not something I'd really call scummy, just a bit "unnatural". It might just be the caps being weird to read.

{T S O, Titus, Cakez} is a town bloc that I'm really comfortable with.

No one listens to the shit dead townies say. Nevver seen anyonwle go back and check it. It was a rhetorical question.

I routinely look at a dead townie's readslist. I don't necessarily give any more weight to their reads than anyone else's, but I use it in analyzing motivations for why people may have been on the wagon, etc.

So yes, if you're by some miracle town, you should post one. But you're not, so not sure why I wasted my time writing this.

I will now be Titus' translator.

In #371, Titus provided a picture of a hand to an ear, the universal sign for "listen".
She then posted a picture of dice. i.e. rolling dice ---> roll
She posted a picture of a no sign with a raised hammer in the background. The no sign obviously means "Stop". The hammer is raised. If let go, gravity will cause it to careen toward the earth or whatever stops it. Meaning that it will "drop".

So the complete message is "Listen. Stop, drop, and roll."

Clearly, Titus must have spotted a fire. This is the fire that should be put under the collective arses of the people not voting Dwlee to get them to do something useful. Like giving intent to hammer.

Thanks, Titus.

In a Large Theme, multiball is probably more common than not, I suspect. Especially a >21 player Large Theme.

And if you're trying to derail a wagon, at least offer up an alternative.

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They were saying you were good at analyzing wagons, b
Right titus?

pedit I was just starting to like you :/

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They were saying you were good at analyzing wagons, b
Right titus?

pedit I was just starting to like you :/

So I am bad at analyzing wagons? Or a totally different idea?

[Titus]

You want me to unvote Dwlee?

You didnt follow through
she doesnt like itlpip

The last is kinda confusing

You're quoting random shit and then posting images that make no sense. I've got nothing out of the me-wall, Titus. Anyone know what she's saying?

Well Rob the first one I think is asking you to clarify your current thoughts on Sircakes.


The second picture is asking you to clarify your reads on the person with that dog profile picture.

My understanding of the 3rd one is she simply thinks you are wrong.

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My thought process on how Dwlee forgot* Like what is your stance on Dwlee?

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Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

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Titus - I understand that you cannot post complex thoughts with your PR, but I don't understand your resistance to the Dwlee wagon. The majority of my reads are coloured by people's thoughts on that.

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There's no shame in confessing. That constant nauseating feeling in your stomach? That was guilt. You'll feel a lot better now.

I can't blame you for not wasting your time posting a fake readslist that we're going to dismiss with your scumflip anyway.

Peregrine seems to be flat-out ignoring him, CoolDog is voting NotNot for his name although he's still calling Dwlee scum, Almost is being anally penetrated by the fence he's sitting on... hurry the fuck up.

I haven't seen a single detractor of this wagon attempt to engage the points that drive it, except perhaps Venmar. Peregrine, if you have an issue with the reasoning being used, then say it. Otherwise, stop sniping from the gutter.

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VOTE: Dwelee

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Titus - if Dwlee flips town, who would you push tomorrow?

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Peregrine - his defense of Dwlee was very awkward, he didn't offer up an alternative wagon then started flailing and

dropping random votes on

strong town like

TSO.

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Peregrine - his defense of Dwlee was very awkward, he didn't offer up an alternative wagon then started flailing and

dropping random vote

on strong town like

TSO.

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VOTE: Pops

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VOTE: Dwelee

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VOTE: Dwelee

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Repeating that you forgot isn't going to get you anywhere, Dwlee. That argument has been thoroughly debunked. Equally, attempting to tell us that you forget where items are in your kitchen won't garner you any support.

Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

Also to people saying I reacted calmly to that dayvig gambit, I was scum that game.

THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS.

Unless being scum somehow affects your memory, I'd say it's completely and utterly irrelevant.

Titus - I understand that you cannot post complex thoughts with your PR, but I don't understand your resistance to the Dwlee wagon. The majority of my reads are coloured by people's thoughts on that.

There's no shame in confessing. That constant nauseating feeling in your stomach? That was guilt. You'll feel a lot better now.

I can't blame you for not wasting your time posting a fake readslist that we're going to dismiss with your scumflip anyway.

Peregrine seems to be flat-out ignoring him, CoolDog is voting NotNot for his name although he's still calling Dwlee scum, Almost is being anally penetrated by the fence he's sitting on... hurry the fuck up.

I haven't seen a single detractor of this wagon attempt to engage the points that drive it, except perhaps Venmar. Peregrine, if you have an issue with the reasoning being used, then say it. Otherwise, stop sniping from the gutter.

Read this post. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7651954

Tell me what you see.

Ton of surface-level commentary. He's bad or he's scum, but he is helping me with Dwlee, so leaning the former right now.

However this post i want to see.

Here.

If nothing else, it will be fodder for my beeboy read later on. I'm kind of split on him atm. I don't like his reads, especially the recent one on T S O, and I thought he was scummy when failing to adjust his read on Dwlee when new information was coming out. But then he did adjust, and it kind of seems like he just wasn't understanding what I was saying (which, admittedly, probably wasn't helped by the pure rage of one thousand suns). If I had to throw him on a side at the moment, I'd probably throw him on misguided town over opportunistic scum.

I struggle to see why scum would push TSO instead of just NKing him when most of the playerlist is hard town-reading him.

By the way,

@TSO

, you comfortable with adding grapes to the town bloc? He's pretty legit.

This is a good post. I agree with where you're at with both grapes and beeboy; I no longer think beeboy was scum, I don't think beeboy-scum would have came down from his scumread like that.

How do you think it would look for them to defuse the wagon after having jumped on it so fast? I don't see an easy way for -say- 4 scum players to part ways with that wagon now.

Yeah that's a good point. All eyes are on rob and tso imo if Dwlee flips town.

Do you have an argument against the points I'm making re: Dwlee-scum?

You scum claimed. Eat rope.

Yeah, Elyse. You scumclaimed. Eat rope gurl.

This is a good case. I haven't seen a single player in the game make any sort of decent counterargument to it. The only way for Dwlee to be town in this scenario is if he lied consecutively because he's lazy as fuck and just wanted towncred. It's either that, or he's scum.

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Titus why do you keep making votes, then go back to Dwlee later?

Good question. I hope there's an explanation in one of the posts I have yet to read.

[Titus]

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
SirCakez

Townish:
I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon
T S O
Dwlee99
Varsoon
CooLDoG

Nulltown:
Nero Cain
PeregrineV
popsofctown
Flubbernugget
Venmar
BRantz

Null:
Starbuck
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Almost50
pisskop

Nullscum:
beeboy
Aafter

Scumish:
Rob13

Scum:
YT2980

Update.

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
SirCakez
T S O

Townish:
Varsoon
I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon
PeregrineV
CooLDoG
Nero Cain

Nulltown:
Venmar
popsofctown
BRantz
Flubbernugget

Null:
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Starbuck
pisskop

Nullscum:
Almost50
beeboy
Rob13

Scumish:
Aafter

Scum:
YT2980
Dwlee99

Caught up btw.

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
T S O
SirCakez

Townish:
Varsoon
Venmar
PeregrineV
wgeurts
BRantz

Nulltown:
CooLDoG
popsofctown
Flubbernugget

Null:
pisskop
Nero Cain
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Starbuck

Nullscum:
beeboy
Rob13

Scumish:
Almost50

Scum:
YT2980
Aafter
Dwlee99

squeeps
some minor changes

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
T S O
SirCakez
Titus
PeregrineV
Varsoon

Townish:
Venmar
BRantz
CooLDoG
Flubbernugget

Nulltown:
wgeurts
popsofctown
Rob13

Null:
Nero Cain
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Starbuck

Nullscum:
pisskop
beeboy

Scumish:
YT2980
Almost50

Scum:
Aafter
Dwlee99

[Titus]

Would it be evil to rrplace out?

Now I could vote JUST you for bringing that up.

DWlee, we now have a finished game together and you didn't strike me there as the "pain in the neck" you are being here. You have been mostly logical there. Granted, you were never under serious pressure, but still.. I'm not sure pressure should make you an entirely different person.

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Titus what's wrong with those readslists from Grapes? I don't see anything.

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Flubber, this has been argued exhaustively. If you have questions after you're done catching up, let me know, but I went over this extensively. The main points are:

- Dwlee wasn't under pressure. The reaction tell was over and

he had been town-read by many people

for it when he was calmly asked about past instances of fake vigs in his games. Your premise is false.

- He talked in a previous game as if he was extremely familiar with what a gambit was. While I could maybe buy that a one-off occurrence in another game could be forgotten, I can't buy that you go from "completely familiar" to "not at all familiar" in the space of just two months.

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When an event happens, it is human nature to recall similar past events.

You don't get fooled by a gambit for a second time and then think "wow, totally unique event!", especially when asked directly about it. You think, "Darn, that's gotten me twice in a row." This wasn't a trick question on a test or something.

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Fine I will stop posting. This is gonba be difficult..

Flubber use multiquote for fucks sake

I am only selfhammering once starbuck gets here

^ That is, prodded

I wasnt a pain in the neck over there because I wasnt being tumelled by everyone in the game for having a bad memory. ^-^

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If you want to vote someone for contradicting themselves I suggest Elyse. (sorry titus ;-;)

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Wait. I just iso'd rob and one glaring thing jumps out at me.

356 is extremely hypocritical

Especially when considering that you made post 297

Vote: rob

for lining up lynches, yet pouncing on others for what you presume to be the same. And for being so eager to move into the night phase, plus the fact that you've been pouncing all over dwlee when you clearly couldn't remember that earlier post made by yourself... Hmm.

eww

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No more posts from me though titus will get mad.

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I had fun. I wanted to test a new strategy. Sorry to those of you who I annoyed with my fake post restriction.

Thanks for hosting.

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I basically barely was able to construct a sentence. Died N1.