Cyberpunk Mafia [Game Over!]

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Catdog

Hi UTL/Hip!

[Aeronaut]

Can you sign your posts?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Bluebloodedtoffee
Blue toffee is disgusting

Blue toffee is great stfu

But let's get serious here.
I'm immune to drugs/poison, so...
it's likely that there's a poisoner in the setup.

I've asked the mod if there's a difference between drugs and poison, waiting to hear back on that.

Not at all, Yosarian. By claiming my Drug/Poison immunity (mod confirmed that they will not tell me if Drugs/Poisons are separate things), I accomplish a few things:
1. Town now knows there are, very likely, Drugs and/or Poisons in play.
2. If Drugs aren't the same as poisons, anyone with a drug effect knows not to use it on me (in the case of a positive effect, which is the case for most drugs in cyberpunk settings).
3. Poisoners will target players that aren't me, which allows any protective roles to target outside of me as well.

The 'worth' of my role (immunity to Drugs and Poison) isn't really that high, because if there is a Poison kill, the chances of it landing on me are fairly slim anyway.
This isn't like claiming bulletproof, homie.

Hmm.... yea, but scum poisoners could have potentially targeted you and then wasted your shot. So, in that regard, it is a bit like claiming BP on page 2.

I don't really know how to read that, but I don't really see myself doing that as scum before it was necessary, so I'm inclined to read it as town.

[Aeronaut]

Titus, what's wrong with pushing wagons? Also, please show me where DS says anything about "Pre-emptive backpedaling"

[Aeronaut]

Maybe drugs make you ascetic or give you superpowers.

Although, that does make you suspicious... Maybe YOU'RE the poisoner!

I agree that this post is pretty shit though; He's just throwing that possibility out there without committing to it, like he's half joking.

[Aeronaut]

1. You might want to fix your syntax a tad...
2. I'm not sure I like it either. But until Titus/ABR (hopefully the prior) posts, my vote sticks. I honestly want ABR out of the game, mostly because I have yet to see a game where he doesn't fill it with ridiculous amounts of noise. Titus does as well, so, unless I see a change, that slot is a major liability to town.

Oh wait, nevermind. You weren't saying the same thing I was. Either way. I don't like his preemptive back-pedaling.

It's literally the next post after the posts I quoted Aero. Are you not reading the game?

There's nothing wrong with pushing wagons. There's something wrong with pushing

policy

wagons when you have alleged scumreads in the thread.

Oh, I thought it was in the ones you quoted. My bad~

Yea I agree with you there. I usually think policy lynches are pretty scummy in general, but like DS has also been moaning about how much he's gonna hate your hydra in this game for at least two weeks now. So I'm less inclined to believe that this is him covering up anything for now

[Aeronaut]

@Catdog; I know it's really annoying to sign, but i'm going to go insane if I have to try to figure out which one of you is posting at the time; literally just a --H or a --UTL would be fine. Otherwise I'm going to have serious problems reading you

[Aeronaut]

Can we have a VC?

P-edit: Well, townread by me.

BTW have we played together before Varsoon? I feel like you're one of those people I've always sort of wanted to play a game with.

[Aeronaut]

I think this is a good opportunity to mention I don't know anything about the flavor. I just joined for the mod and playerlist.

[Aeronaut]

I joined because UTL told me to I think

[Aeronaut]

Oh, no it was because Cheetory was going to play and then he BACKED OUT >:(

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: BBT

Hey BBT, it's been three pages and you're not ruthlessly pushing a wagon for the sake of wagon pushing yet. What's that about?

[Aeronaut]

Maybe drugs make you ascetic or give you superpowers.

Although, that does make you suspicious... Maybe YOU'RE the poisoner!

I agree that this post is pretty shit though; He's just throwing that possibility out there without committing to it, like he's half joking.

Christ, I mean, I get there's what's-his-face's law and all, but are you guys seriously that oblivious that you can't tell I wasn't actually throwing shade on Varsoon... I literally said that sentence, with exaggerated formatting, and no context whatsoever.

Yea, but it just seems weird and awkward to me. Like you're putting the idea into our heads without actually committing to it.

Yep, I'm the poisoner trying to throw shade on my counter. Lynch me because the all-mighty Titus commands you to! DO IT!

You're thinking of RC.

[Aeronaut]

She's not even voting you.

I addressed her because she was the first to realize that I might ACTUALLY be joking. Honestly, my angst isn't at her, but her post made me think it. I'm glad that she's actually seeing beyond Titus' shitty reasoning to vote me.

Who?

I'm done making any sort of retort here. Just stop being stupid, y'all.

Do you have any reads as of now, besides "Titus and ABR should be PLed!"

[Aeronaut]

is ABR's entire job in this hydra to post flavor ?

[Aeronaut]

I wish I knew the flavor so I could play too

[Aeronaut]

I can guarantee my wagon is scum driven and this isn't including the scum known as CatDog.

Get your head in the game and start engaging the people on your wagon that you think are the 'scum' driving it.
All you're doing right now is OMGUS whining.

Yea, Varsoon is town as fuck

[Aeronaut]

Beeboy what are you talking about?

[Aeronaut]

I meant you, Aero. Brian screwed with my head by saying "she". But i was talking about you and your post.

Also, Aero, it's day 4. I won't have any sort of logical reads for at least 3 IRL days, or probably another 10-15 pages.

I'm not complaining about ABR only posting flavor. It's perfectly fine by me.

Answer the question you must have some idea as to what is going on right now.

I have 0 reads in the slightest. To say otherwise would be to lie, and lynch all liars, as you know good and well.

PEdit: There are no facts here that we know of. Get off your soap box.

So are you just going to sit around all day complaining how you're bored and stuff? no thx

Not at all, Yosarian. By claiming my Drug/Poison immunity (mod confirmed that they will not tell me if Drugs/Poisons are separate things), I accomplish a few things:
1. Town now knows there are, very likely, Drugs and/or Poisons in play.
2. If Drugs aren't the same as poisons, anyone with a drug effect knows not to use it on me (in the case of a positive effect, which is the case for most drugs in cyberpunk settings).
3. Poisoners will target players that aren't me, which allows any protective roles to target outside of me as well.

The 'worth' of my role (immunity to Drugs and Poison) isn't really that high, because if there is a Poison kill, the chances of it landing on me are fairly slim anyway.
This isn't like claiming bulletproof, homie.

But Its exactly like that. and now its useless. how do you know there is a protective role about the effect. this seems fishy . and in other hand it seems your the poisoner and you are trying to see if you can get any clues that there is protective against you out there or not.

I don't like your claim

~Rylai

Yea, but does it make a lot of sense from a scum perspective? Like it doesn't

not

make sense, but it also doesn't really

make sense

... does that make sense?

Basically the way it was presented makes me lean more town than scum, there.

varsoon claimed his role right away in UNIMUM too

not sure if thats something to consider

As town or scum?

I am hardly trying to wagon cat dog since it was a jokes wagon. Diamond not wanting to participate is scummy not me being scummy for pointing it out.
What else makes me scum Rylai?

So if Diamond is scummy, why are you not voting him? You're on Dwlee right now?

[Aeronaut]

Beeboy ... who is the scum on your wagon?

R&L - Why the show of saying your vote on ABR/Titus is RVS when we've moved out of RVS?

R&L are just smoking something and don't understand any of my posts.

To be honest, I don't really understand any of your posts either.

Anxiety is null-scum

Also - I sort of feel like an idiot, but who is Anxiety? Is that someone in the game? Everyone else seems to know that person but me and I'm really confused.

[Aeronaut]

This conversation is ridiculous. Bee, stop being overly defensive. It's a large game. 4 votes isn't shit.

Brian, Rylai, Varsoon, drop it. It's not getting anywhere except making you all look scum.

Ugh. See DS is here telling everyone to drop their conversations and to stop their line of thought. I've never played with him before, but all he's done so far is tell other people why they should stop talking. I feel like every post of his is fanning the flames.

I haven't the faintest idea how you play, Varsoon. And I don't really care. All I know is that this pushing is ridiculous, and at least one of you are scum. I don't hold any ridiculous ideas and say that all 3 of you are scum, but at least 1 of you is.

Like, why is at least one of them scum? And didn't you just tell me literally like a page ago that you don't usually get reads this early? Now you're here creating false dichotomys and telling us which group of people scum is in. This makes zero sense.

[Aeronaut]

I guess it's technically not a dichotomy, maybe a trichotomy? because it's three?

[Aeronaut]

Because at the root of every terrible push, there is an opportunistic scum.

Yea.
VOTE: DS

I believe I just went into it.

Brian wanted to lynch them because he didn't like their reaction to Titus' push on me.
Varsoon wanted to lynch them because he reacted poorly to the votes on him.
You wanted to because reasons that I still haven't found.

Regardless, none of those reasons are good reasons to start a wagon.

PEdit: Nah. I'd love to point you to my scum games (MGSV and SaGa, if you care), but I'm playing a new meta regardless of my role. So I bet that's useless.

That's... An equally terrible lynch.

PEdit: Yeah, go away Titus. Nobody needs you here right now. You'll just add to the noise.

Same with these two posts. Fanning the flames of other people's squabbles, but like he's not really doing much but stifling the conversation with posts like this.

That's... An equally terrible lynch.

PEdit: Yeah, go away Titus. Nobody needs you here right now. You'll just add to the noise.

This sort of post will get me to just push to lynch you for policy reasons. I would prefer if ABR and Titus weren't posting roleplay style, but I am not cool with anyone telling someone else to shut up.

Saying stuff like "Nobody needs you here right now." right at the start of the game when discussion is exactly what we need, and such discussion is almost always super valuable later in the game ... that's not cool. Stahp it.

This post pinged pretty really town-ish for me.

VOTE: badgirls

Terrible scum theatre w/ her and DS, I think.

She felt strained and lacked conviction. This is not the titus I am used to as town, and is eerily reminscient of Mafiaception titus. She was super defensive, but not in a way that she actually felt like she was in danger.

I really, really think this slot is scum.

I find it really hard to read titus, but yea she's been sort of strange so far. I don't know what it's indicative of yet, though :/.

[Aeronaut]

Dwlee might be scum. He is very different than usual

Can you elaborate on this?

Don't even try to act like it's for some cause.

It's because you think that it's the best way to play mafia.

This is the most convoluted contradiction you could ever dream up.

Are you serious?

Bad

Since you don't even try to understand, what I'm trying to say is that you act like a bully for fun. You don't give a crap if it helps new players play better, or if you win games. You play this way because you get a kick out of pushing everyone around.

PEdit: Aero, I have said this every game I've ever played in. RVS is my least favorite part of the game, without a doubt. I will do whatever I damn well please during that time, and if it's complain, then deal with it. You will see me do something else later. And I'm actually starting to do stuff now. Actually read before you complain about my complaints.

Here's DS, still just saying things that have nothing to do with roles, alignments, scum, or town.

Aero, hip said, "scum game for vars".

Hmm.

To be honest, Varsoon seems really town in my mind right now. That's mostly on a gut-basis right now, but that is definitely something to keep in mind.

I mean just that--I feel as though what you said is actually the truth of the matter. Others have stated they feel differently and I am disagreeing with them.

Can I trust you to lead us to a lynch on scum, though?
Having just modded SAGA, I'm pretty familiar with your approach as town, but I'm not really familiar with your scum approach.
So bear with me.

From the one game i've played with scum-ABR, he was pretty underwhelming. I feel like ABR is much more of a town-force than a scum one; in that game, he was barely a presence, whereas here I feel like he's taking a more active role.

@Aeronaut: 4nxi3ty is a player in this game. Number 12 on the player list. Pretty solid mod, from what I can recall.

oooooooooh Ok. I see why people are just saying Anxiety

[Aeronaut]

Catdog, Varsoon and Drixx all look relatively town-minded to me. I'm getting weird feelings from the Titus/ABR hydra in general, but idk with that right now.

[Aeronaut]

From the one game i've played with scum-ABR, he was pretty underwhelming. I feel like ABR is much more of a town-force than a scum one; in that game, he was barely a presence, whereas here I feel like he's taking a more active role.

That was one of my better scum games...

I was doing great until you tried to neighborize me two nights in a row and realized I was an ascetic.

Well, yea, we can chalk me lynching you that game less to me being any sort of skillful, and more because of the setup sort of screwing you.

You and Frozen won anyway, so it's whatevs

[Aeronaut]

I'm still bitter tbh

[Aeronaut]

DS I find it hard to believe you missed my entire case on you.

Also, what happened to that group of three people that you were positive there was at least one scum in? You're abandoning that for a lurker now?

[Aeronaut]

Wow, Ok catching up

[Aeronaut]

On an unrelated note, catdog's suspicions so far feel a little off. Can't really explain why but they feel weird.

Can you try to elaborate on this / put it into words somehow? I've never played a full game with either of them, but I've been town reading them and would like some other input.

Not gonna have time for this today.

Tomorrow.

It's tomorrow. Where are you?

Actually I kinda liked the flavourposting.

Can't decide what to make of ABR/Titus speaking for Yos2 and DGB like that. So I clearly cannot trust the wine in front of

them

, etc.

Varsoon looks town. So does Drixx. I don't see the basis for anyone townreading R&L.

Can't decide if DS being caustic is alignment indicative.

Also,

VOTE: Dwlee

I actually don't really like how there were a lot of reads and opinion in this post, all except for Dwlee who you voted for. This looks like a jump to me.

DS why you read beeboy as town?

beeboy why you read DS as town?

~Rylai

I read a solid 0 people as town. Sorry there.

Also, Muffin, nothing is alignment indicative for me. Read Machina (town), MGSV Mafia (scum), and SaGa Frontier Mafia (third party) for comparison. Each of those I acted roughly the same, with only *slight* changes.

However, most of them were a result of the playerlist or similar, and less my alignment. SaGa was a result of my hatred towards a certain unnamed person in the playerlist upon actually playing with them.

I'm kind of satisfied with this post

UNVOTE:

Dwlee are you townreading DS based on nothing?

~Rylai

Really? You're satisfied with "Nothing I do is alignment indicative!" as a response?

VOTE: badgirls

You might as well place your vote there because I'm on your bandwagon until the end. I'm impervious to soft pushes, I eat scum like you for breakfast.

Bad

See... now I'm starting to feel weird about ABR now. I've seen him push people

so hard

, but his whole response to Dlwee is luke-warm.

Also, it's silly to be saying your vote will stay in the same place until the end, especially when you're in a hydra that contradicts itself every other post.

Yo hiplop read my fucking posts please and thank you. C:

I did read your posts, that's why I'm asking. Your "reasons" are weak, in fact it feels like you're just making things up to actually have reads (like you just did with beeboy).

Wow I don't have super strong reasons on page fucking 13 WOW!

Dwlee got way too serious and overdefensive too soon. Not his usual troll start. Yos, this is scum. You do your thing but I'm calling it now.

Bad

You don't fucking know me. Fuck off

Oh wow, this aggression literally makes zero sense in context with the rest of his posts.

At this point, Bebop's reaction to that whole thing seemed town to me. Dwlee is acting really strange, but I haven't decided if it's genuine-strange or fabricated-strange. The wagon seems like a really easy mislynch wagon to me right now, here on ~page 13, so i'm not feeling it. I might take a meta dive on Dwlee actually, because I feel like i've played a game with him and it may clear some things up for me.

[Aeronaut]

I thought about how you can be lynch bait sometimes it is just I can't find a single reason to town read you this game.

I can't even blame you cause you gotta lynch town to win, right, beeboy?

PEW PEWPEW PEW

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
BBT
BrianSkies
Varsoon
Muffin
Yosarian

BIZARRE

BadGirls
beeboy
Maxous
Aeronaut
Rylai & Lina
DWlee99

SCUM

Catdog
DSentinel

Does bizarre = null?

Something interesting to me is that you have Varsoon as town, but then you complain about him scum reading you for being inactive which happened before this post.
Also, you have BBT as town, who has posted three times, and I'm pretty sure all of those posts were "I'll catch up soon, I promise!" posts.

Finally, why catdog scum?

I'd like DGB to get into the game, actually. Diamond has a point, although I don't know if DGB's lurking is indicative of a passive rolecard or a scum rolecard, y'know?
Regardless, I'd like more confidence on that slot.

PEDIT:
@DGB: Can you explain your reads a little more? Why the scumread on DS and Catdog?

Is DGB's lurking-tell such a commonly known fact that three people are throwing shade for it? People leaving their respective

actual scum reads

for a lurker is beyond comprehension.

There is this really cool button, beeboy. If you look to the right of my name in my posts you will see Post and a number, right next to that is this button that says "ISO". Click it.

This kind of BS is really not helping Dwlee's case, either.

Diamond doesn't want to bus Dwlee but needs to call him scum to get credit for the lynch later. We're going to hit him hard as well.

Bad

Ah, that's a tactical mis-step on my part.

You see, I don't like bussing, so when I'm not on a scum wagon, then it really makes me seem like I'm a scum buddy. And since I'm not really voting with anyone this game, I suppose that I'll run into that sort of problem. But still. Your reasoning is bad and you should feel bad.

Oh look, it's Self-Meta!!!

DGB ur read on dwlee99

gogogogoogo.

I am super convinced of DS scum but UTL is convinced of dwlee99 scum. Shes more sure than me so we went with dwlee.

Varsoon seems to be trying to edge his influence to sway convo away from DS, minor discredit

pedit: dgb beeboy votes us every game like that >_>

Ok, @UTL
Is your read on Dwlee mostly gut? I'm honestly much more convinced that he's just being lynchbait, but why are you so adamant, here?

CatDog I do not, just because you are trying to hide we are scum buddies doesn't mean you need to lie :C

What is this post in context to

@DGB: You don't see DS' vote as coming off of meta experience from SaGa Frontier Mafia, where you were generally lurky as scum?

The game just started... I had a Dr's appointment downtown at 10... then the bank... then pick up some glass... then grocery shopping... then I had a art exhibit at the library to set up.

DS is scum.

Then stop making excuses for yourself and actually start playing. My vote will not move until I see satisfactory work on your side.

holy fuck
didn't you spend like ten pages telling everyone that you have zero reads and don't plan on doing anything useful for a good majority of day 1?

A lot of you kids play with smartphones and hand held devices... I have a huge desktop only. When I am on the go, I am completely offline.

I don't care if you can't post all the time. Make your posts here count, though. You have almost 10 posts (I'm too lazy to look right now), and yet none of them have any sort of scumhunting. Just a read list with no context at all, and then you bitching about my scumread on you.

Dude, you have >60 posts and all that's been said is like DGB IS SCUM BECAUSE HE'S LURKING ZOMG

[Aeronaut]

i'm gonna switch my vote to Muffin.

unvote, vote: Muffin

Actually I kinda liked the flavourposting.

Can't decide what to make of ABR/Titus speaking for Yos2 and DGB like that. So I clearly cannot trust the wine in front of

them

, etc.

Varsoon looks town. So does Drixx. I don't see the basis for anyone townreading R&L.

Can't decide if DS being caustic is alignment indicative.

Also,

VOTE: Dwlee

The more I think about this post, the less I like it.
He's not engaging with anybody here, - least of all his scumread - in fact it looks as if he is going out of his way not to and is trying to just give a few reads and sit on the sidelines of the game.
He hasn't said anything regarding Dwlee, he just plopped down the vote and sat back while others do the dirty work for him.

Yea, I thought I was the only one that saw this, but Muffin seems to be jumping onto that wagon without making too much of a show of it. It's like 1) he's hopping on Dwlee, and 2) He's trying to look busier than he is.

Actually I kinda liked the flavourposting.

Can't decide what to make of ABR/Titus speaking for Yos2 and DGB like that. So I clearly cannot trust the wine in front of

them

, etc.

Varsoon looks town. So does Drixx. I don't see the basis for anyone townreading R&L.

Can't decide if DS being caustic is alignment indicative.

Also,

VOTE: Dwlee

some questions:

1 - Whats your read on Yos ? (the dgb thing lurking wifom)
2 - why is drixx town?
3 - why is Dwlee scum?

~Rylai

Additionaly, Muffin completely blanked these questions asking him to detail a few reads[/quote]
Hadn't seen this though. This is a solid posting by Max, and really not solid posting by Muffin.

I'm not liking DS' push on DGB. DGB feels like obvtown to me and I'm not understanding their push.

Dwlee99: I actually like some of your posts, but can you explain your badgirls vote? From where I sit it just looks like bad OMGUS on your part.

It came from titus' earlier case on DS which was pretty crappy and then when abr scum read me for disagreeing with their reads it set that scum read to the top.

Why is DGB obvtown for you?

I'm not liking DS' push on DGB. DGB feels like obvtown to me and I'm not understanding their push.

Dwlee99: I actually like some of your posts, but can you explain your badgirls vote? From where I sit it just looks like bad OMGUS on your part.

It came from titus' earlier case on DS which was pretty crappy and then when abr scum read me for disagreeing with their reads it set that scum read to the top.

Read my case on her in SaGa Frontier. That explains why I am so dead-set on her as scum.

She has yet to do anything except give a readlist with absolutely no context, and that is a scumtell for her, 100%. SaGa Frontier she did it, and was scum. I think it was Survivor Mafia, she did it and was scum (check my reason in SaGa Frontier. I can't remember which game it was). Guild of Dungeoneering she was incredibly active, and was town.

Can you actually post that case here? You keep referring to it, but I really don't want to go searching through your ISO in a game I wasn't in

them talking about other stuff ^

You're wasting your time trying to convince this scum that I'm town... he already knows that

This is the DGB that ABR was raving about. Decisive and plugged in. Can you take a moment and re-evaluate DS and make sure? My read on him is that he's just irritated. I made a note to watch and see if that changed. At the moment he looks like someone who had a bad day. What are you seeing that makes you so sure that's scum?

See, that's the reason I see him as scum; it feels more to me like pretending to be irritated. He was completely nonchalant/lax through the first ~10 or so pages, and now he's trying to awkwardly transition into having thoughts and reads and reactions and it looks really odd to me.

P-edit: I have like one more page to do and then I'll get back to that DS

[Aeronaut]

Subliminal messages, brah. I think DGB is trying to do a new strategy.

MIND CONTROL, MAN

Don't drink the water! They put chemicals in it to make blatant scum people (like DGB) seem town, and town people (like moi) seem scum.

DON'T LOOK! IT'S HYPNOTISM!

NOT THE HYPNOTOAD!

Reading these two posts I think he realized his position was no longer tenable, but like a good little scum, he's trying to remain "consistent" and doesn't know how to backpedal elegantly. He's switching to humor... he was almost able to maneuver out of his fake read... then had misgivings about looking bad for it and continued to pretend he's as sure as a daycop result.

Yea. this is about what i've been feeling too. It's like he is trying to fit in

really

hard and it's just not working.

Well his assertion that you didn't bring content when you jumped into the game is just flat wrong. If he was actually reading you and had just decided you were scum for being inactive, then it should have been no sweat off his back to go "my bad... people are allowed to be busy" or something. DGB is right I think.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Yea, similar to what Yos did IIRC. DS clinging to this read as hard as possible when there's no real basis for it is just really gross.

nah I'm fine her main focus being you since your her strongest scum and she is yours

Don't you call this town on town... DS is scum.

VOTE: DS

Sick OMGUS, girl.

Wow, I don't think i've had anyone complain about OMGUS since my last newbie game.

And even then, it wasn't this forced.

Dwlee is still scum I don't like this counter wagon at all.

Dwlee was a counter to DS I think.

Spoiler:

Titus steps up from her barseat at the particularly loud individual ruining her time at the bar. Little did people know she was stone cold sober, but just not feeling well. Yet, she was annoyed at DS's continual attempts at showmanship and tearing down anyone who ever

dared

to actually begin scumhunting. No, their opinions were "bad" or not real "reasons". Not even her ear plugs were enough to stop the arrogant hypocrisy from the man known as DiamondSentinel. There was a mission going on, but Titus as just fed up.

Getting up from the table, Titus uses her physical adept powers to nerve strike DS. This might paralyze him, but then again that mouth who knows. She grabs his microphone briefly.

"Ok, let's actually talk about this DS guy for a second. His ISO is utter control the game garbage. He's not scumhunting at all but flooding the thread with useless things set to demoralize and diminish anyone who does contribute without taking any hard positions."

*points to 52* "This is where I first highlight DS throwing shade on players like Varsoon while still pushing ABR/Titus for spamming policy lynch. He currently has the second most posts in the game. Only beeboy has more, yet DS has been taking a hard stance defending both Dwlee and Beeboy without taking the position they are hard town. I'll support this conclusion as we go through his ISO."

*points to 75* "DS insults that anyone who agrees with me is because I commanded them to do so in a very authoritative manner, rather than using their own independent thought. It's a common manipulation tactic. Diminish the support by calling the supporters mindless."

*points at 77* "Again, he's now trying to claim that I voted him for "joking". Au contraire, I believe that DS was fully serious in his attempt to throw shade on Varsoon there. Of course if it's DS joking then his scummy behavior can be dismissed."

*points at 87* "DS is essentially saying don't mind me posting and spamming the thread a lot, it's not going to get me reads for another day or so. ABR only posting flavor is fine by him. Yet, the content ABR pushes later is a problem."

*points at 95-99-101* "DS is stubbornly refusing to give anything resembling a read saying he won't "pretend". In 101, he's using self-meta to prop himself up. DS's objective here isn't to develop reads, but to play to his own ego and grand stand."

*points at 103* "DS is spamming and trying to buddy ABR over the flavor."

*points at 112* "DS is buddying the fuck out of Rylai and Lina or spamming."

*points at 118* "DS claims he's doing a new routine right after saying that you can trust he's town due to his own reliance of self-meta in 101. If he's changing his playstyle, the self-meta vouch is worthless. 118 is more about disarming critics than actually proceeding to play the game."

*points at 124* "DS pushes forward attempting to say Dwlee is bad but not necessarily taking a position on him as town or scum. Suggesting a Dwlee policy lynch, yet DS doesn't move his vote. Number of people DS wants to policy lynch or "look scummy without taking a position": US, DS. You should keep a running tally.

*points at 144* "Holy corporate scumminess. Beeboy shouldn't be freaking out about 4 votes on a large theme. It's no big deal. Everyone who started this wagon is also scummy for pushing it. Beeboy, Rylai, Varsoon, and Brian all 'look like scum', but he refuses to state which ones and why. DS is just attacking content as a whole. There's a huge difference between feeling people are unjustly picked on and just defending people because they are noobs. Here, DS is defending Beeboy solely because he's a noob, yet attacking Beeboy at the same time. Just yuck. People who DS wants to policy lynch or "look scummy": BadGirls, Beeboy, Brian Skies, Rylai, and Varsoon."

*points at 150* "I'm going to doubtcast all three people on the Beeboy wagon, state at least one is scum but never make any effort to understand Varsoon's playstyle to see if he actually IS scum on the wagon. DS has zero interest in investigating his assertions at all."

*points at 156* "DS throws a vote on Brian Skies, saying his reasons are shit. This is a control play. No one appointed DS as arbiter of what reasons are valid or invalid. DS is stating Brian's opinions are shit as if it's a matter of fact when he chided Beeboy for their not being facts in the thread in 95. It's more classic double speak from DS and oh shit I have to at least pretend to sort this shit out."

*points at 159* "At the root of every terrible push there's opportunistic scum." This is a policy buzzword that makes people feel good but not always true. It also supposes that a) DS can determine alone which wagons are terrible as well b) that opportunistic scum is exactly who he says in 156.

*points at 163* "Here's why everyone voting Beeboy has shitty reasons. Note: DS still hasn't said Beeboy is town, just that Beeboy's wagon is shit. DS can hop on Beeboy once a magical compelling reason appears or he can say I never got on for shitty reasons. This allows him to prevent taking an opinion on Beeboy entirely.

*points at 166* "DS is talking about the Beeboy push being terrible, not about Brian being scum. He's not talking about his reads but rather talking about acceptable and unacceptable methods of scumhunting, as if he's the sole arbiter. Many players scumhunt differently. One mans reasons are another man's shit."

*points at 169-170* "DS tells me to shut up, while totally unaware that I still was not speaking and hadn't been for awhile. He's stating that all I do is add to the noise. Bah. Again, he's trying to position himself as his being the only loud voice with credibility. He's trying to apologize for the posts being too abrasive when it's the sentiment he should apologize for. It's classic political apology. You don't apologize for the sentiment but for the terrible words used to say it."

*points at 172* "DS is saying that he has a bunch of null reads but for the players who all got together and tried to push a wagon. Yet, he's balls to the wall defending his null reads. It makes me think there's a STRONG possiblity that this is a white knight for credibility. DS wants the Beeboy lynch to go through for the town credit he'd gain. I'm holding off going all the way there yet, but DS has to get something from his self-aggrandizing behavior. It's pretty certain not to catch scum."

*points at 177* "DS again calls me useless and interrupting his train of thought whiteknighting the Dwlee or Beeboy wagons (even though it wasn't me posting {here's a hint, I'm the goodie two shoes}. He also says Drixx's push is terrible. People who DS wants to policy lynch or "look scummy" or just terrible: BadGirls, Beeboy, Brian Skies, Rylai, Varsoon and Drixx."

*points at 180* "DS is unnecessarily antagonistic towards BS when he says that DS doesn't know what his reasons are."

*points at 184* "DS says he's ripe with Boyish attitude. Spam useless posting."

*points at 189* "DS attacks ABR for being a bully generally, again attempting to establish himself as the most important man in the room rather than scumhunting."

*points at 198* "DS supposes we are town. He's saying why does ABR care so much about winning as town. That's one thing ABR and I have in common is we both play to win. I just have personal boundaries that he doesn't. For the record, ABR hasn't been a bully once this game, which is why I didn't interrupt when he was pressuring for reactions on Beeboy and Dwlee. Not once and I'm sensitive to that. DS then proceeds to tell ABR to 'calm the fuck down'. Yeah, you don't get to tell this hydra what to do."

*points at 201* "DS is now claiming he's "starting to do" things. Well, why not actually take firm positions on the wagons in the game... oh wait that's not going to happe."

*points at 241* "DS thinks he can tell me what to do. Hahaha. He's going to tell me what to do. If I had a problem with anything ABR's posted, I'd say so. He attacks all the reasoning on the Dwlee wagon at the moment. Dwlee has eight posts and I cannot remember a one. Ok, so DS is wanting Dwlee to get time to enter the game but then... he votes DGB for lurking. Holy inconsistent positions Batman. People who DS wants to policy lynch or "look scummy" or just terrible: BadGirls, Beeboy, Brian Skies, Rylai, Varsoon, Drixx and DGB."

*points at 246* "DGB lurking is a scumtell according to DS. It's less than 4 days into the game. DS is desperate to create a counterpush. Why? Is he afraid any wagon but one he suggests threatens his cred?

*points at 254* "DS talks about noise making while every single post of his can be characterized as noise. He has more posts than our hydra and has zero solid reads to show for it. Again, he's beating the policy lynch drum on us when he believes he has a scumtell on DGB."

*points at 261* "DS calls Dwlee terrible but makes no attempt to ascertain whether or not Dwlee is terrible town or scum. If a player is terrible early, it's ok to wagon them to form an opinion on them. I just tend to be able (usually) to sort the newer class. Wagons to sort aren't inherently evil. DS is resisting any sort of attempt by the player base to form opinions on Dwlee and Beeboy which is much worse than the possibility of mislynching them. We can move on and have information from it."

*points at 263-265-267* "DS finally stakes a position is that Dwlee is too stupid to be scum. If DS feels this is accurate, calling town stupid doesn't exactly foster town cohesion at all. If you think someone is town, you help them.

*points at 290* "DS retracts is Dwlee is town position by stating he has zero players as town. He's also talking about how much he hates players and nothing is alignment indicative. Again, if nothing's alignment indicative the response is to be the change or to shut up. Not to spam the thread with your proclamations that nothing is legit."

*points at 315* "DS again attempts to diminish the credibility of players who look to be scumhunting. Rylai gets called a "teenage girl" (as if that's supposed to be an insult, but it isn't). Dwlee and BadGirls are bad but not staking a position. He wants both our hydra and Dwlee to get pressure. (Did he not realize Dwlee has already had a pressure wagon and Dwlee didn't start throwing around shit?) Yet, at the same time he bolds DGB committed a scum tell. That's three separate people DS wants voted at the same time. Let's get real here, DS wants a policy lynch on anyone BUT DS."

*points at 334* "DS gives more self-meta."

*points at 340* "DS says OMG DGB arrived and didn't give an epic wall post. Lynch immediately."

*points at 358 - 373* "DS is pushing this tell bullshit non-stop while ATEing about something in the water. Again, the implication is that if it's not what DS wants, it's crazy/worthless/invalid."

*points at 377* "DS says he was joking at Rylai's expense."

*points at 386 - 403* "More trying to say DGB's posts are worthless to gin up support for a policy lynch on DGB."

*points at 404* "DS calling Drixx unreasonable for voting him and basically implying he's the only smart one in the thread. It's more about the perception that DS is smart than actual attempts to persuade."

*points at 406* "DS calls DGB's posts worthless again in a sorry not sorry manner and asks Drixx to reassess."

*points at 409* "DS says 'I can't get my way and insult my way through the game, just lynch me. I don't want to play a game where I can't insult people to get what I want.'"

*points at 411* "DS yelling about DGB obvscum again."

*points at 413* "DS attacks me saying that I'm trying to mold him into a mini him trying to discredit my vote."

*points at 414* "DS again says like he's the professor and grading our work for anyone to produce a "valid" reason to scumread DS. Yet, DS thinks the only valid opinions are the ones that does what he wants. He has no problem reaching out to me to get me to "control my hydra partner" but also then saying our play is shit and we should be policy lynched.


The too long didn't listen verson. DS isn't driving this game forward at all. He's not scumhunting. He's not enquiring or letting others enquire about why they feel the way they do.

We should totally lynch DS."


Titus drops the microphone and looks at DS's collapsed unconscious body on the floor. Her nausea getting the better of her, she accidentally vomits on him.

"Well that's an accurate reflection of what I think of Diamond's scumminess this game."

Titus then freshens up in the bathroom before taking her seat back at the bar.

"Much better." Titus smiles.

There are literally millions of better ways you could have formatted this.

Listen to Tammy and re-evaluate your reads or you will make a very compelling lynch today. If you don't want to play, replace out. It's as simple as that. Everybody has bad games and games they don't have fun, we won't hold it against you. It's superior to giving up and asking to be lynched.

Bad

I read this and was like "Wow wtf why is Titus over her threatening people", and then I realized it was ABR, and it made way more sense.

I meant you, Aero. Brian screwed with my head by saying "she". But i was talking about you and your post.

Also, Aero, it's day 4. I won't have any sort of logical reads for at least 3 IRL days, or probably another 10-15 pages.

I'm not complaining about ABR only posting flavor. It's perfectly fine by me.

Is DiamondSentinel an alt?

Great catchup post!

hey

Hi!

[Aeronaut]

Aero...

Posts about me: (yes, I'm vain)
1. Yes, that's incriminating self-meta. I admitted that it would be something I'd do. TOTALLY HELPFUL. Anyways, read the mafia chat of MGSV mafia.
2. iirc, I only said that I had zero reads, until the DGB thing. I never said I wouldn't do anything. The closest I said, I think, was that I would see nobody as being on my side.
3. Eh, it's my only read right now. Why would I not pursue it?

1. :/
2. That's not true though! Please look at Post 150 where you said that there HAD to be scum between three people, none of which were DGB
3. I don't get how in 19 pages into a game, you have one read. And that read isn't even good, like it's based on lurking.

Their aggressive playstyle and tone of their posts feels really townie, aero.

Ok. So it's a gut thing.

What is this post in context to

pedit: dgb beeboy votes us every game like that >_>

Oh alright. I must have missed that.

On an unrelated note, catdog's suspicions so far feel a little off. Can't really explain why but they feel weird.

Can you try to elaborate on this / put it into words somehow? I've never played a full game with either of them, but I've been town reading them and would like some other input.

Eh. BadGirls (Titus, specifically) made a solid case against DS in this post:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7706703

Alright, I need to take a better look at this.

DS's response, IHMO, looked pretty bad to me, and in any case was pretty hostile and angry at being called out like that.

Yep, I'm the poisoner trying to throw shade on my counter. Lynch me because the all-mighty Titus commands you to! DO IT!

I'm glad that she's actually seeing beyond Titus' shitty reasoning to vote me.

Anyway, that's a seperate point. The really weird thing was that Catdog saw this and made this statement:

VOTE: badgirls

Terrible scum theatre w/ her and DS, I think.

She felt strained and lacked conviction. This is not the titus I am used to as town, and is eerily reminscient of Mafiaception titus. She was super defensive, but not in a way that she actually felt like she was in danger.

I really, really think this slot is scum.

I really dislike that post. He sees person A attack person B, sees person B get pissed and lash out at person A, and then just calls that "scum theatre"? Just seems like a weird and bizzare conclusion to leap to.

Yea, I remember being super confused by that post, because it's such a strange conclusion to be coming to on like page 8./

I feel like I've been falling victim to confbias on that slot, so I really need to take a second look there.

The rest of Catdog's voting history isn't great, either. Joined the mindless page 1 banwagon, which is meh. Jumped from badgirls to DS briefly, which, ok, but IMHO it just draws attention to how bad the badgirls vote was in the first place (I guess this was still based on that weird theory that Badgirls and DS are somehow scum together? Or something?) Then bails on that wagon very quickly to vote Dwlee99 instead, for weak to no reasons. Pushes the Dwlee wagon hard for a while, mostly just with repetition. Calls DS scum again, but keeps his vote on Dwlee instead.

Catdog's posts just feel off. I mean, not as far off as DS's posts, but still off.

Not to mention that catdog weirdly left the DS wagon for captain lynchbait as soon as it started picking up steam.

[Aeronaut]

It is day one, early. We are trying to find something that will stick. In all honesty, I thought UTL moved our vote to DS. We are both players who like moving our vote around as a primary tool for scumhunting. You can consult eihter persons meta for that if you want

This could be a pretty decent reason for that, though. It's a bit hard to keep your vote straight in a hydra, as I learned really fast when I was hydraing with Wgeurts

[Aeronaut]

Dwlee was a counter to DS I think.

What makes you say this?
I think DS is worse but too many people stopped \/oting Dwlee without him actually doing anything and I don't like how he is losing attention for nothing.

Because the DS wagon came before the Dwlee one. And the Dwlee one was mostly made up of naked and semi-naked votes.

DGB has a pretty well-known tell that, the more material she puts out, the more likely she's town.

DGB made her first post in the game yesterday, and since then, has posted 25 times. Most of which were game related and looked like classic DGB-style scumhunting to me.

Maybe you don't like that she's going after *you* here, that would be understandable, but there's no way you can say she's not putting out a lot of material right now.

See, that's thing that is so strange to me; DS is the last person who should be scum reading someone for not having content in their posts, especially after literally bragging to the rest of us how he doesn't formulate reads and won't even really try for a long while into the game.

DGB has a pretty well-known tell that, the more material she puts out, the more likely she's town.

DGB made her first post in the game yesterday, and since then, has posted 25 times. Most of which were game related and looked like classic DGB-style scumhunting to me.

Maybe you don't like that she's going after *you* here, that would be understandable, but there's no way you can say she's not putting out a lot of material right now.

I thought scumhunting typically entailed looking for scum outside of 1 single person.

Didn't you tell me like ten seconds ago that DGB is your "one and only scumread"?

[Aeronaut]

I think i'm finally caught up; but jeeze that took ages. I'm going to try to keep up better so that I don't have to make a page worth of catchup posting.

[Aeronaut]

I thought scumhunting typically entailed looking for scum outside of 1 single person.

Finding one good suspect and hammering away at them until they either manage to change your mind or don't can absolutely be an effective scumhunting tactic. You only have to find 1 scum a day, after all.

And it's weird that you would say otherwise; how many suspects do you have today?

Only 1. So now you're holding me at a double standard. Great.

Maybe you should start listening to people who think my frustration is genuine. They might just be right...

And I don't care if you don't want to answer it, if you don't, then you're playing poorly, ABR. Answer the fucking question.

Oh, this'd probably be a good time to mention that I exaggerated my push on DGB to ridiculous lengths to get a nice readlist. Tsk tsk

You didn't honestly think I'd be that stupid, did you?

[Aeronaut]

Those two posts... especially in conjunction with each other are 100% scum postings.

[Aeronaut]

Also, you put muffin down at the bottom of your readslist, as your only full scumread; that's fine, but you're still voting Dwlee, who's still grouped in with DGB, who you just said was all just a reaction test.

P-edit: hi

[Aeronaut]

I'd honestly be down for lynching muffin. I'm like very sure of myself that DS is scum, here, though, especially after "oh all that stuff I said? Reaction test." That's just, none of that is true.

Vars, I get that snarky is virtually useless, but tbh if we're going to base it on a dream you had i'm not really feeling that lynch.

[Aeronaut]

You didnt even answer my question, aero.

What question?

[Aeronaut]

fair

[Aeronaut]

Do you still think dwlee is scum ABR?

[Aeronaut]

backish; been busy with school and whatnot but I may as well try to get back into this while there's still day to be had.

Has anyone played with town snarky before?

[Aeronaut]

Actually, BBT's ISO is absolutely really next to nothing. I saw he had posted and got all excited, and then saw how low information his posts are and was pretty disappointing.

Town BBT is someone worth sheeping. This is not town BBT.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Aeronaut]

Feeling bad vibes on Muffin, BBT, maybe Snarky, possibly still DS, but I really just need to sit down and look at him more thoroughly maybe tonight/tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

You could keep doing nothing or you could work with me.

What are your main reads right now?

[Aeronaut]

Not gonna have time for this today.

Tomorrow.

I'll start reading this tonight.

I'm planning on catching up with this today.

Struggle to keep up with larges man. I've read bits and pieces here and there but nothing much. Will get a handle on this today.

I've read 15 pages.

Hoping to get it all done tonight.

Read up to page 20, can't read anymore tonight.

Will read the rest tomorrow.

Will catch up on the last 10 pages or so in a few hours time.

Gimme some time. I'll make this priority tonight.

:/

[Aeronaut]

;/ you literally just joined another game with me

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Snowman

[Aeronaut]

I've only read to the end of page 28, got pre-occupied.

Here is where I am at currently;

Town reads; Varsoon, Brian, Aero, Maxous, Anxiety.

Null; BG, Diamond, CatDog, Yos, DGB, Muffin and Tammy.

Scum reads (S>W); Drixx, Dwlee, SS, R&L, Bee.

If you could eventually provide reasoning on these things, then that'd be good.

Especially on Drixx, who is apparently your strongest scumread, yet you're voting for Catdog whose apparently null for you.

{Tammy, Rylai and Lina, BadGirls, Varsoon}
{Brian Skies, 4nxi3ty, Muffin, Aeronaut}
{Snarky Snowman, PeregrineV, Catdog, BlueBloodedToffee}
{Maxous, DrippingGoofball}
{Dwlee99, DiamondSentinel}

Why is muffin so high up and DGB so low?
And what are your thoughts on snarky?

Scum reads (S>W); Drixx, Dwlee, SS, R&L, Bee.

You're probably bus'ing two buddies because you're in trouble.

{Tammy, Rylai and Lina, BadGirls, Varsoon}
{Brian Skies, 4nxi3ty, Muffin, Aeronaut}
{Snarky Snowman, PeregrineV, Catdog, BlueBloodedToffee}
{Maxous, DrippingGoofball}
{Dwlee99, DiamondSentinel}

I gather you don't consider lurking a scumtell. Is it because they are your buddies? BBT is throwing you under the bus.

Eh, these pre-flip associatives are really making me feel queasy.

This might make me seem like a godfather, but I would like a cop to take a look at me tonight. Just so that you guys can leave me the heck alone.

You'd be right, this makes you look like a godfather.

[Aeronaut]

let me get a readlist out first :/

At this point this is a delay tactic.

We don't care for your fake read list, scum.

We want your claim.

This is basically just saying that you're completely discounting the possibility that I'm town.

I'm a bodyguard, I don't want to claim anymore because the wagon is pretty worthless.

:/ if you're telling the truth, you should have claimed that when people asked for your claim.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry guys. I'm going to try to get back into this game tonight and tomorrow. Have a lot on my plate :p

[Aeronaut]

Bah, in theory no night kills are nice, but they really do nothing to help me round out my reads :/. Also, I dreamed yosarion died and I woke up thinking the game started while I was drunk and was rethinking some of my suspicions.

My first thought when I saw the hammer, other than frustration cuz really, was that dgb was probably town from it. She garnered a bit of suspicion yesterday and would have known she was hammering town and I'm not sure she damages her credibility that terribly on day one with how the day was going. I'm not a fan of the hammer or the reasoning, but I'm just not sure it comes from scum her in this playlist because I'm just not sure she would expect to get away with it, and I don't think she'd do something likely to harm her team like that as scum on the first day. I still don't like the way she omgused me or tried to reaction test me when I mentioned being uncertain of her. I expected the omgus or a stronger focus on me for mentioning it, but I thought a town her would give a different reaction, not exactly sure what though as it's been a long time since I expressed suspicion of her in a game, just different I guess. And I also thi this is so far away from my scum game that the omgus even felt a bit weird, but who knows.

This is my basic feeling of DGB as of where I'm caught up to [~page 40]. I can't say I really know DGB's game very well, but I don't feel like scum would be that forward about that hammer.

VOTE: DS

Worst opening \/ote

Also I am not forgetting about you Dwlee.

somewhere I missed the point where I was supposed to care.

This post basically sums out DS this game in 11 words.

Anyway in case that's a vig kill varsoon gave you and you're threatening me with it:

The reason I'm inclined to believe diamond sentinel and his vt claim is because if his belief that his flavor was a trump card. I'm also a vt, but my flavor is arcade junkie, not wage slave, and when I got my role pm I also thought it was a sort of trump card that I'd be able to identify a real vt with. When I saw ds claim vt but without the flavor I was going to ask him if he played pac man or something to see how he'd respond. So, vts all probably have different flavor, and I'm just not sure a mod provided fake flavor claim would give him that same feeling of trump belief.

So, if that is a vig kill, go for it. I'll still flip town, and the town should probably inquire into why varsoon gave it to them and why after showing no suspicion on me before they used it on me.

At first, I was a bit surprised by this VT claim, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense from scum. I think Tammy mentions later that she does this often, though; can anyone confirm that that's played with her a bunch?

Never talk to me here Titus, always in the PT. I want our slot to be consistent, on message, and always aligned. What happened in your hydra in saga was inexcusable. This won't happen with our hydra. I'm putting this out there so that everybody knows, in case they expect us to argue in-thread. We won't, because it makes the entire slot look weak. We can't have that.

Bad

Why are you even talking to titus in the public thread, then? That boggles me.

[Aeronaut]

My preferred lynch today going into it is probably diamond because dgb is town which makes ds look like shit.

I really don't understand this reasoning; Do you know DGB is town? Why are you ruling out that DS is just being bad-town this game? This is a really bizarre pre-flip associative to make.

My preferred lynch today going into it is probably diamond because dgb is town which makes ds look like shit.

When was the last time you EVER got a scum with a lynch?

Because I've never seen you be right. You need to shut the fuck up and listen to people who actually know how to play the game because you're never right.

See, I feel like it's been 42 pages and I've yet to say to myself "wow, that's a solid point that DS is making right now!", so I feel like you can't really be telling people they aren't playing the game.

Let's work together; tell me who's you top scumread, and your top townread. Why? I want to know where you're at.

Hey. It's more BS from BS. *Yawn*.

Nice discredit.

Oh hey. It's even MORE BS from BS. It's like a trend all game long.

Noting that Drixx is responding to Brian with sarcastic remarks instead of like, a response. I honestly don't know about Drixx's play today.

Bleh, late to the party. Didn't get a daystart message . Thoughts to follow, in the order they occur to me.

This looks really shit to me.

Peregrine, I like playing with you but ffs stop lurking and either play or replace out

And again, throwing shade on Pere.

Uh oh. Scum!beeboy was informed by their scum buddies that I was not to be lynched anymore.

Sorry but this doesn't work on me.
VOTE: DS

heh hoo

i think the fact that you voted DS means it did

BTW, muffin, when you said scum were avoiding bussing DS who did you suspect of doing that?

At the time most of my townreads were on the DS wagon with the exception of CatDog who continues to just scum it up like it's going out of style. Meanwhile guys like Brian Skies and Beeboy who I still hesitate to sort into a town pile seemed content to sit around on lynchbait like dwlee.

Brian let's lynch DS now and Drixx later if he continues to be scummy.

I'm down for DS or Drixx, I think.

Sadly I think DS might be just town playing poorly. If it's amenable to you, I'd prefer that you jump onto Drixx for now. I might be open to it later but right now I am against a DS wagon because reasons.[/quote]
See, in this post, you talk about how Catdog is "scumming it up like it's going out of style", but then want to vote Drixx, without real explanation. Why? Are you just choosing from the choices that Varsoon gave?

[Aeronaut]

Oh my god, I'm so fucking far behind

Sorry guys, I totally have been swamped. I feel like if I replace, the replacement isn't gonna read 80 pages, so I'm going to attempt to catch up.


Is there a reason we haven't lynched Muffin yet? I remember wanting him and Catdog to eat rope.

[Aeronaut]

Do you think Varsoon is just sitting at a computer somewhere waiting to click "submit" at all times

[Aeronaut]

oh wow. Prod received.

thirteen days... I may have forgotten i was in this game.

[Aeronaut]

I'll take a quick skim. What do I need to know?

[Aeronaut]

Why is Catdog scum, people voting him?

[Aeronaut]

Why is Catdog scum, people voting him?

He was caught in a lie yesterday. He claimed "tracker/watcher" under pressure back on day 2, but has never been able to confirm it, and is pretty clearly lying about the whole thing.

What's the DL rn?

[Aeronaut]

Ok, we have twelve days. It doesn't need to take that time, but I'd prefer you don't hammer before I've had to chance to look at it myself, which I'm doing right now.

Because you're right, I'd rather not be shitty-flaky-guy this game.

[Aeronaut]

Catdog, (I'm talking to hip, right?)

What was your original reasoning for voting DGB right off the bat?

[Aeronaut]

Can you answer my question.

[Aeronaut]

Hip, this makes 0% sense and you know it.

You voted for DGB, then you said you had done that because you had a guilty on DGB. But like... that's so much different than having watched Drixx, seen DGB

visit

, and assuming that he did that action.

But you're right about it being a lead. However, in these posts, you treat your "result" as if it were an honest-to-goodness "DGB is not town" result.

That is the weird thing. Dwlee has an apparent innocent on DGB?

Which is why we're less inclined to like, go full guns a blazing. Something weird happened OR DGB is scum

dwlee, did you get a result saying dgb is "town" or like "not mafia" or what?

we need specifics here

I feel like if you'd simply watched Drixx like you said, the town approach here would have been to assume that Dwlee was telling the truth, and that DGB simply had a town-visiting role, but the way you approached it was as if your result directly contradicted Dwlee's, which a visit of Drixx does not.

[Aeronaut]

tbh, yea.

This looks a lot like scum flailing to me. I'm fine with this if Rylai is. Then I can also use the night to catch up.

[Aeronaut]

A game day that was 2 days long?

Why was catdog quicklynched like that?

VOTE: PerV

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2. That play was nothing short of scum flailing. He was the one at fault there, not any of us.

eh. I feel like you going to lengths to justify that lynch is really sketch.

We've both played with each other's scum game, on the same team. Let's look at what I did vs. what I'm doing.

Me: Caused chaos, played hecticaly, had inconsistencies.
Me now: Trying to unite town, overall confident, etc.

You then: Lurked, didn't read, only showed up to cast shitty votes.
You now: Lurking, aren't reading, only casting terrible votes.

See again, you're sort of just telling us how good you are for town for like the hundredth time.

Has anyone had the chance to consider what catdog thought about yos?

Did you get a result last night?

No.

Who did you target?

uhm none of your business?

You are claiming an innocent on DGB, have claimed roleblocked and no result for 3 other nights.

It has been 4 nights and you are not dead.

It is all of our business.

I'm not saying unless a majority of players tell me I should.

You should.

[Aeronaut]

The "shame on you" attitude for that lynch from Perv is pretty indicative of scum imo.

Same with DS; both are largely distancing themselves from that.

[Aeronaut]

Dwlee could be scum too, especially if he's claiming that many "no results" in a row. I'd feel better about DS or Perv, though.

[Aeronaut]

Oh shit, I forgot BBT was in the game

[Aeronaut]

O hai mark

[Aeronaut]

Would rather a DS lynch myself

[Aeronaut]

are you? how

[Aeronaut]

I won't replace just because like, there's apparently already a bunch of replacements to this game.

I have an interview today but I'll try to read some after.

[Aeronaut]

Read at least what happened today. Beeboy looks pretty good.

VOTE: Beeboy

[Aeronaut]

Would also go Dwlee or DS.

[Aeronaut]

Wow I really lost my footing this game :/

I think I can still maybe redeem myself idk

[Aeronaut]

YAS

[Aeronaut]

Yea, I'm going to say I had 0% to do with this win. I got really distracted with rl stuff. Great job Dwlee!