I guess i am indeed stronger than a race cop.
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Weren't you saying before:In post 5406, Salt Squad wrote:Lynching me today is incredibly horrible town play.In post 5218, Salt Squad wrote:I am starting to think I actually am the best lynch since the LLD wagon is crap and LLD can confirm herself the same way I can confirm myself tonight.
I am going to be on a computer in 1.5 hours where I can explain my reads and point to you guys who to lynch because you guys aren't lynching outside Luna's neighbourhood until the scum in there gets lynched because my town flip basically confirms scum in that hood and don't listen to anything that says otherwise.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I know i have a big heart and possibly a weakness for AtE.In post 5409, Salt Squad wrote:Luna don't do this to me.
But the matter of fact is that you're claiming something different from the result i obtained.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Also i almost missed this (thanks A50 for quoting it).In post 5154, RAM wrote:Why didn't you investigate your own PT Luna?
The main reason is i was worried that if i scanned inside, i'd be tampered with with more likelyhood, and now that i think about i did state i was scanning outside the hood, since i was worried about a redirect i figured that everyone could benefit from the info in exchange to not scanning inside.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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EBWODP.
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Nah she misinterpreted the win condition.In post 5419, Cephrir wrote:I'm not a hundred percent sure you're right... do we have confirmation here? Because like I don't know how big my faction is but if you're correct and it's just me or me+1 then I might as well quit now.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I got a result that SS is in the Isolationist Faction.In post 5439, No Retreat wrote:I swore I thought SS was in Luna's hood...
I had a meta town read on LLD since I think she's lurky as fuck as town. I don't see why a independent wulden faction couldn't exist.
What did Luna get?
I have confirmation from the mod that this result doesnt equal "Individual Vampires Faction" that SS is claiming.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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The role i did, in fact i claimed it in the hood at the start of the pregame.In post 5441, No Retreat wrote:Luna did you claim your role prior to night 1 or before night 1 ended?
I never said who i was targeting to i did say i'd target someone outside of the hood to prevent any scum if any to try to stop me with a RB or kill.
There's also Klingoncelt, who claimed Watcher (post night) and even knowing i was claimed Faction Cop decided to not watch me.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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There's also the thing that this is the first faction i hear that is not based off a Nation or a Race.
I mean you have the East something empire, the Northern whatchamacallit tribes, the Invidual Vampires, the Undead Risen Slaves.
All of these include one of these things, but not the faction i got (and my ability shows that "No Result" is an option, so no that doesnt mean a roleblock)~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Well you did say that he's done this "I want 1 more day" thingamajig as scum before.In post 5454, Stormblade wrote:Well, SS is an alright lynch. I think there's a good shot of him being truthful that he's a vampire but I also think the risk that he's cult or something is very really and that's dangerous af to let live.
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Oh another thing.
Dont forget the fact that i scanned the N/L of someone in my hood since there was a mass claim of those in there.
I got a result that matched what they claimed.
So you gotta add in the chances of scum in there redirecting me + hitting someone with the same N/L, since redirect would redirect me both to the same target.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I dont remember saying that, and even if i did, this isnt true.In post 5459, Salt Squad wrote:You told me everyone in your hood shares the same nation/location~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I already confirmed with the mod that this isn't the case.In post 5460, No Retreat wrote:Didn't someone say that Independent would give an isolationist result?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I'm just debating the likelyhood of redirect and to boot on a target that shares a N/L with who i was scanning.In post 5470, Salt Squad wrote:
There is only so much I can do to prove you wrong here and you have to believe me because Klingon is scummy af.In post 5468, Luna Fox wrote:And even if you assume that everyone in the hood shares N/L i never said my free action was going inside the hood.
P-Edit: Mostly yes, but all of them no.
Bus driver changes a lot of things and i dont know how i didnt realize that.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Are you even reading my posts?In post 5473, Stormblade wrote:
Unlikely, as I nation copped SS and they said their nation is what I got.In post 5472, Luna Fox wrote:
I'm just debating the likelyhood of redirect and to boot on a target that shares a N/L with who i was scanning.In post 5470, Salt Squad wrote:
There is only so much I can do to prove you wrong here and you have to believe me because Klingon is scummy af.In post 5468, Luna Fox wrote:And even if you assume that everyone in the hood shares N/L i never said my free action was going inside the hood.
P-Edit: Mostly yes, but all of them no.
Bus driver changes a lot of things and i dont know how i didnt realize that.
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I didnt Location/Nation cop YOU, i used different targets, if i got redirected both of my scans would have been redirected to the same person.In post 5478, Salt Squad wrote:Wait what location did your cop yield it is literally a 0% chance depending on your answer.
Which means that i had to be very unlucky, to have been redirected to someone with the same nation as whoever i was scanning.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I didIn post 5483, Salt Squad wrote:
If you did mention on targeting outside in your PT I won't blame you for lynching me here anymore tbh.In post 5481, Luna Fox wrote:Ok, and redirect is also very unlikely to hit someone with the same nation as someone in my hood considering i mentioned targeting outside.
So im now on a 95% sure you're actually the result i got.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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read the hood, i put the info there, you can make your own decission.In post 5480, Stormblade wrote:Uh, what makes you say that?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Maybe i should make a summary:
@everyone:
Salt Squad got targeted by me, returning Isolationist Faction. They are refusing being part of this faction.
I got mod confirmation that a scan on Kuroi would yield "Individual Vampires Faction"
We had a mass claim of nation/location on the hood.
My Nation/Location scan returned what my target claimed.
I claimed to be targeting outside of the hood, while in reality my faction cop was outside and the nation/location cop was inside.
Salt Squad got also targeted by Stormblade (as they claim) and also got a correct check, meaning the likelyhood of bus drive is really small.
With all this information the likelyhood of Redirection becomes smaller while not unlikely.
Im willing to go with Occam's Razor and say that i got that Faction, because that's their actual Faction.
But everyone is free to make their own informed decission based on this information.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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It's not an assumption it's stated on the mechanics post!In post 5494, RAM wrote:Luna, you're making a pretty major assumption. You're assuming that any redirection would effect ALL actions you take. No reason at all why a redirect couldn't be limited to role only, rather than the check and role. I mean there's no reason to think it isn't everything either, but the fact that you got the proper result on Stormblade doesn't have any relation to the likelihood of your check on SS being accurate.
And every game where a player targets 2 ppl redirects affect both actions.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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SS play = giving up after realizing spinning the redirect possibility is impossible.In post 5494, RAM wrote:Really, I think people should judge based on SS' actual play~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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You're scum, there's a guilty on you.In post 5500, RAM wrote:Ya but why would he ever hang his defense on "spinning the redirect possibility? Seriously, someone make me understand why they feel that's a reasonable response from scum given that nobody has a firm grasp on what factions and win conditions are town?
What's more likely
"OK IM SCUM, BYE, LYNCH ME"
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I'm not saying that town couldnt be saying that, because duh.
But saying scum wouldn't is a really big jump in logic, he pursued the redirect possibility with tooth and nail until after all the info was out and it was impossible for the redirect to have happened he gave up, then started to bring up framer.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Would you have believed it after all the flips we've seen?In post 5505, RAM wrote:Like, if he's scum, and he KNOWS the town can't even figure out whether or not their own slots are town, why wouldn't he just say yes, I'm this faction, and it's a town faction??~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In post 5447, Luna Fox wrote:There's also the thing that this is the first faction i hear that is not based off a Nation or a Race.
I mean you have the East something empire, the Northern whatchamacallit tribes, the Invidual Vampires, the Undead Risen Slaves.
All of these include one of these things, but not the faction i got (and my ability shows that "No Result" is an option, so no that doesnt mean a roleblock)~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean, as i said, most factions have something in common and they all have been town.
This faction name doesnt have any commonality, from which i assume it can literally contain anything, which means it's more than likely the major scum faction or the cult.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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^In post 5515, Almost50 wrote:
Mate, you keep repeating this over and over and over again, so let me try to simplify the matter for you:In post 5463, Salt Squad wrote:So I have a 1-shot ability that converts someone to an individual vampire (all non humans have this) thus would mean the person I converted can confirm me or at the very least you lynch me tomorrow and I confirm the person I converted.
There are people in this game who believe you're scum. There are others who believe you are town. And there are some who don't know.
For you to be given a chance to convert someone means:
those ho believe you are town will still believe it. Those who believe you are scum will believe you AND your convert are scum still. Those who don't know will have TWO instead of one person to still be confused about.
The issue isn't whether you can convert someone or not. The issue is whether you are town or not.
For you to keep repeating yourself is hurtful. And for you to keep NOT reading the thread and going on with wrong assumptions that have been explicitly corrected and/or asking questions that have already been answered more than once doesn't help at all. You're not scum hunting. You're just concerned about your own survival for just another day (or NIGHT to be more precise). THAT is suspicious all and in itself.
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Welcome to the world of figuring stuff out.In post 5531, Cephrir wrote:@Stormblade: I can confirm that my win condition is word for word identical to dram's but for some stupid reason I can't get confirmation that he counts towards my win condition's "survive" aspect which frankly pisses me off a lot.
Tho i'd think yes anyway.
Which means that you'd also be part of the surviving aspect for us.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I've been there.In post 5534, Cephrir wrote:i guess ill assume that but i'm kinda thinking about replacing out on the grounds that this isn't mafia if i don't know what my fucking objective is.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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you're making it as if im inventing a result on you.
It's not a fake guilty but a framed one if a redirector's involved.
A fake guilty is if i actually have no actual guilty and im making it up.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Are you guys ignoring me or what.
SS is rejecting the result on him, this implies the result could be bad for him and he's lying. It's also possible i got redirected... albeit very low, but if i did then the 95% chance the culprit is in my hood, you guys need to take a stance on these 2 already.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I claimed that someone in my hood had a faction cop result of Isolationist on SS.In post 5557, MathBlade wrote:Luna question -- I can't look it up easily because phone posting. When was the first post (just the day is fine) that you claimed faction cop? Was it d2 with the result or did you claim/crumb before that?
I didn't say it was me specifically just in case.
Later i claimed that the faction cop was Strong Willed, but he saw through my fake claim so the reaction test failed.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I didnt crumb my role before, but i did claim in the hood in the pregame.
So if anyone would have known my exact role it would be there.
I also claimed that i was targeting outside of the hood, while i only used the faction cop outside of the hood and th- eh i think you better read this instead: 5488~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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You just want everything given to you instead of doing the leg work?In post 5559, Wake1 wrote:
So......In post 5555, mastin2 wrote:In post 5548, Wake1 wrote:Could you please confirm that the four flips we've had so far aren't Scum?<<< No, I cannot. This is where your own role PM, and the mechanics post, comes into play. The informed minority in this game is scum. The uninformed majority in this game is town. This, I can say, because it is universal to any mafia game. How it manifests is given in the mechanics post. >>>
...we don't have confirmation on the flips being Town or Scum.
Do we... How can I trust my role PM when you say it's ambiguous?
I have not one concrete thing to work with. I don't know who my enemies are and I don't know who Town or Scum are.
Throw me a bone here. Please. I don't know how I'm supposed to solve this if I don't have at least a tiny, concrete thing to work with.
Fine i'll do the leg work for you
All 4 flips were town
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We know there is at least a global scum group, we dont know their name, but it's highly likely this Isolationist faction result i found.In post 5563, Wake1 wrote:Mastin, does any player know if their objective is to destroy a certain group?
I can't play this game if I'm not given anything to solve it.
Like seriously, just because you gotta use your head a bit more in this game to figure things out.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Look at their win condition.In post 5568, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?
Look at the mechanics post.
Even if they are all dead, even if they are from different factions, as long as their threats are eliminated they win.
That sounds Town in my book.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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If you're complaining that you dont know what the threats to you are.
At the very least we know there is a global threat, as stated in the mechanics post they win when they are 50% of the living.
No one has flipped with a win condition like that.
So at the very least we dont have a global scum flipped.
I made another assesment in that all the flips we've seen so far have either a nation or a race included in the faction name.
This doesnt occur with the Isolationist result i got on SS.
This makes me think they are a mix with members that can be literally anything, and can be literally anywhere.
That looks more like a scum faction?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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To try to eliminate the possibility of redirection from reactionsIn post 5575, MathBlade wrote:@Luna -- Why fake claim strong willed at all?
Read the post where i revealed myself. I was planning on just working as a VT because i didnt want to give more info to scum by them abusing me as a way to get results with redirection, since at the time, i was buying SS's reaction.In post 5575, MathBlade wrote:And why identify it as yourself later?
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here.In post 5575, MathBlade wrote:It is mainly all the information being shared and likely if there is a Wulden in there then some of it may not be accurate. Why add to this confusion?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Oh hey that's a good point.In post 5577, Almost50 wrote:
Hold on a second! How do you KNOW "isolationist" = GUILTY??In post 5551, Salt Squad wrote:You claimed a guilty on me.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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If you really want to replace out because you cant figure out the game go ahead, i dont blame you, this game is pretty hard to figure out, i however am having fun trying to figure it out, and mastin put effort into making this, and im not letting that effort go to waste.
But being here complaining that you dont know what anything means, and not listening to the people actually trying to make sense of the game isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere.
P-Edit: This is directed at the people that feel like replacing out because "it isnt a game of mafia".~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Yes, im aware, i have that same wincon too, i also dont know when or how this triggers, i have no idea what i need to do to win or who the threats to this are.In post 5582, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:and dram is not like anyone else. as far as I'm now this wincon will be triggered at some point of the game when an event "new human treaty" triggers.
What i do know is that if you have a role PM similar to those other 3 flipped as you claim you should have even less confusion than me, and im not complaining.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean sorry if i sounded mean.
It's just kinda starting to annoy me that 90% of the posts in here is "omg i dont know what to do, i dont know who i need to kill" instead of actual scumhunting.
I already have given you guys an starting point.
I have an Isolationist faction result on beeboy who's denying that they are that faction.
I already made inferences that suggest this may be the global scum faction we've been looking for.
However, there's a low but possible chance i got redirected, if this is true, there's scum in my hood.
This is enough for you to make an informed decission on how to go from here.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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It'd be if i knew who my allies are.
But as it stands not even anyone in my hood is guaranteed to be my ally.
And i have unknown allies outside of it (like Ceph if what he claims is true).~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I already figured that out XDIn post 5623, Cephrir wrote:i'm town.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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