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what the heck? i've posted, like, 8 million reads. i was just making fun of him.In post 3266, MathBlade wrote:
Look Cephrir can avoid posting reads again instead changes words of Kuroi's thoughts.In post 2905, Cephrir wrote:In post 2903, KuroiXHF wrote:I am actually scum, and the other leading wagons are too. Look over here, wouldn't you rather go for a nice tasty lurker lynch?
So do you have reads? Or are you opportunistic scum with Titus as one of my hypothesis earlier?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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It might be. I'm not sure.In post 3327, Luna Fox wrote:Thing is im townreading WT because that felt like town frustration, and i dont like voting ppl im townreading.
VOTE: WT because I'm hopping back to the biggest wagon.
Someone please deal with Kuroi tonight because I cannot take another day of him shitting up the thread and also he's scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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since apparently my reads don't count unless i put them in a list, here you go. i might be forgetting things but off the top of my head this is about where im at.In post 3353, Cephrir wrote:
what the heck? i've posted, like, 8 million reads. i was just making fun of him.In post 3266, MathBlade wrote:
Look Cephrir can avoid posting reads again instead changes words of Kuroi's thoughts.In post 2905, Cephrir wrote:In post 2903, KuroiXHF wrote:I am actually scum, and the other leading wagons are too. Look over here, wouldn't you rather go for a nice tasty lurker lynch?
So do you have reads? Or are you opportunistic scum with Titus as one of my hypothesis earlier?
{Heartless, Math, Luna, Expedience, Molla}
{Titus, dram, Salt, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, LLD, rb, Toog}
{Almost, Storm, copper, No Retreat, TWIE, DGB}
{KC, Nosferatu, WT, dave, Wake, Franky}
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I am skimming.
Expedience is town because a lot of his posts show genuine emotion. Some of his thought processes are batty in a way that reminds me of way back when Titus was new and I townread her successfully for moonlogic. I think he really believes what he's saying. It IS multiball but he's also taken a lot of unpopular actions he didn't need to take that could have gotten him lynched.In post 3415, Almost50 wrote:
Expedience & Wake please. Same as above, por favor.In post 3360, Cephrir wrote:{Heartless, Math, Luna, Expedience, Molla}
{Titus, dram, Salt, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, LLD, rb, Toog}
{Almost, Storm, copper, No Retreat, TWIE, DGB}
{KC, Nosferatu, WT, dave, Wake, Franky}
{Kuroi}
Wake is scum because of posts Cane + Able made in the first 40 pages or so that I had issues with, as well as RAM's argument re: him missing a claim by his biggest scumread, iirc? I'm pretty sure there was something else but I cannot be fucked to find it right now.
VOTE: Kuroi
I should probably stop just trying to end the day now that it looks like we may actually get a lynch this century. This is scum and I want it out of my life."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it makes me so happy that i am not going to be the only person bitching about thisIn post 3490, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Its a tool with random result, it has no efficiency ."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Scum have fakeclaims.In post 3688, Titus wrote:Yeah, FA's town.
I mean I don't disagree but if you're basing this on her win condition that's a big jump."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Can confirm, and he was pretty obvious scum tooIn post 3739, RAM wrote:
Define unbearable? I believe the only people in this game who have seen me as scum(unless you count my 3p play in Saga Frontier as scum) are Heartless and Cephrir. Oh, and the Sir Cakez head of Salt Squad.In post 3738, copper223 wrote:In the latest games I've played cerb is unbearable (and more importantly town the last time), is he like this as scum as well?
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i mean i guess he could have made up the doctor partIn post 3830, Luna Fox wrote:P-Edit: Are you sure?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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yes good idea let's run up 10 different players with this policy and make sure they know we won't lynch them if they claim a PRIn post 3848, Wake1 wrote:
He could be lying, but if he isn't, a huge game like this, there's no way he won't be sorted out eventually.In post 3845, Titus wrote:Wouldn't a fake claim be easier to see though?
A PR claim like Doctor shouldn't be lynched Day 1. We have subsequent Days to lynch him if there's good reason for it."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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How do you know dram had a PT??????In post 4048, Almost50 wrote:
If you don't know that then YOU ARE TOWN. Titus & Molla didn't know either (No PT) so they were definitely TOWN. dram had a PT, but that works more like a neighbourhood in normal games because his win con supports both human factions flipped (and any others that didn't flip yet).In post 3941, Wake1 wrote:It doesn't tell me who is WITH me or AGAINST me.
It's pretty obvious this is either true or a mod given fakeclaim and everyone suggesting it's neither can fuck off.In post 4113, Salt Squad wrote:
If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.In post 4104, Luna Fox wrote:Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.
Come on Luna
That makes a lot of sense to me from a game design standpointIn post 4225, Luna Fox wrote:Unvote
If the redirect happened, it means we are for certain there's a Wulden spy in the hood.
I'm beginning to wonder if the whole idea behind this game is to teach the town a lesson about loose lips
which i approve of wholeheartedly
NoIn post 4286, Almost50 wrote:
And another Scum Claim! I thought you were UNDEAD like dram was!!!!In post 4030, Stormblade wrote:No, those are both true. I can't be a serial killer considering you already know I'm either with you or I'm a spy for another faction. Namely, the Wulden faction.
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You are woefully, woefully incorrect. But, the fact that you still don't get it is a pretty good indication that the mod should just fucking tell us what is and isn't town instead of pretending it's obvious and we're stupid.In post 4314, Toogeloo wrote:Kuroi's PM:dram's PM:
These two players are obviously scum due to the REDACTED - FACTIONAL portion of their PM. The redacted information is almost assuredly factional chat and/or team buddies. Titus and Molla didn't have any such redaction, and both were Humans, so they are almost assuredly town flips. Multi-town game doesn't necessarily indicate that the towns are against each other, even though there flavor might suggest it.
In post 4312, Expedience wrote: Individual also seems to mean not knowing exactly what your win condition is.
I invite anyone who is "individual x" but doesn't have a wincon of "you win when all threats to the individual x faction have been eliminated" to claim this.NO ONE SHOULD ANSWER THIS.
My theory is that Kuroi incorrectly believed himself to be scum.In post 4326, Toogeloo wrote:Kuroi is definitely scum for more than just the Redacted - Factional portion of his role pm too. Don't forget he claimed Human Doctor before he was lynched.
If you think dram is definitely not town, why isn't LLD, someone who claims to have the same win condition as him, on your lynch list?In post 4335, rb wrote:
Yeah I said that before. We can lynch A50 if you want.In post 4334, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Almost50 sounds like he's some kind of non-Wulden scum BTW
Fact is the 5 people I mentioned need to die.
POSSIBLY not Luna though as I review it. Dram is definitely not town though, I don't think their WinCon is compatible with Titus or Molla's faction.
Someone do correct me if I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure that it would be mod confirmable that the two compatible wincons here are Titus/Molla."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You.In post 4376, MathBlade wrote:
When I get caught up the rest of the way tonight I will start asking specific questions I just want to make one message very goddamn clear:
Keep it in your pants!!!!
I like you."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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here's a thought.In post 4389, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:all I know is that kuroi was a race detector individual vampire with a recruit function and SS is very likely with them
if race = alignment, would race cops and faction cops even be distinct things? what would be the point of that? ergo, it's possible for LLD to be town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL Xs ARE TOWN JFCIn post 4429, rb wrote:Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I think maybe we should just lynch SS. We sorta find a scum either way, and I think the case of them having not really just been guiltied is low as hell.In post 4462, Luna Fox wrote:
Yeah... which doesnt help me in the slightest, dam me and my not reading >.<In post 4458, Cephrir wrote:That makes a lot of sense to me from a game design standpoint
I think i should just operate as a VT instead of potentially giving more info to scum, and instead claim that im said Faction Cop.
If the redirect happened, it guarantees there's scum in the hood considering i had already claimed this in there early thinking by mistake it was a Masonry.
If the redirect didnt happen SS is scum lying and i just made myself an even bigger target ^_^;;"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Jesus.In post 4463, Nosferatu wrote:Ooh ooh! I have one! Cephrir is a nosferatu!
What part of outing all the information in the game is difficult for you people?
I'm a fucking individual nosferatu with the same win condition LLD claimed and that's why I believe her."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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has mastin answered a straightforward question about who is town yet? she's not about to start.
the thing is, though, either you believe SS, LLD and I have all just claimed scum, or you have a brain. those are the options. i don't have access to a fakeclaim, therefore i am town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I think it would be interesting to see if anyone changed their tune about that.In post 4479, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.
Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.
Did you happen to get culled overnight?
Assuming you mean culted and not culled, no, I'm not human anyways so that's impossible right? Unless the Cult-Cult is special.
If you meant culled then wtf is that."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I'm not saying I'm mod confirmed townIn post 4481, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I beleive you guys claimed something and trying to tell us that its modconfirmed town which is not which make me think you guys are probably scum and this is a mindgame shitshow
I'm saying I'm not claiming scum
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yeah but luna appears to have a faction (not race) guilty on himIn post 4489, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:he claimed individual what are you talking about?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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How is it unreliable?In post 4491, Salt Squad wrote:Luna literally claimed cop to the scum and has the most unreliable guilty on me ever fucking seen.
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if we needed fakeclaims we would have them, though, so our roles must be safe to claim.In post 4492, rb wrote:
Because I had no idea about the wording of your WinCon.In post 4479, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.
Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.
Did you happen to get culled overnight?
The way it's worded isn't the same as Titus/BBMolla at all. Which are the two factions I'm going to say I'm 100% sure are Town. Your WinCon and the [REDACTED] part mean that I have no reason to think that your interest = my interests. You might not be cult or scum necessarily, but you're not the Town I thought was Town. There's nothing that doesn't add up, it legit just looks like you and your buddies in your PT fucked up because you thought you were Town when you actually weren't."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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there are probably more race cops out there who have the brains to sit on their results and/or got human resultsIn post 4519, rb wrote:All I'm going to say is that I find it almost unfuckingbelievable that this could happen:
- 2 faction cops check 2 independent people
- both faction cops return highly suspicious races (nosferatu/wulden)
- both players then claim Individual town-aligned
And that in all four of these players, there's NOT A SINGLE scum/cult.
I mean it's POSSIBLE but holy shit is that unlikely."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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grossIn post 4545, Salt Squad wrote:Luna pls you got redirected like this is really unfair that you won't let me conf myself as town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Yes, fuck the clear contradiction, let's lynch something else for shits and giggs.In post 4553, rb wrote:I'd rather just not lynch SS (someone I'm townreading) on the basis of a claim that's likely bullshit. That's dumb.
Cephrir/LLD claims have more scum/cult likelihood than those. Unless I've just missed something entirely, I think Salt is town and I want them to be a part of the superhappyfuntimes.
Does anyone else not read this awful ATE and not want to run off to find a vessel in which to pukeIn post 4555, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8143235#p8143235]post 4554[/url], beeboy wrote:Do all you have some kind of vendetta against me or something? Luna's result was obviously messed with."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it annoys me when people present their POV like fact.In post 4558, Salt Squad wrote:No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it's not, i was responding to a post in which you threw shit at me/LLD and figured you were expressing a desire to lynch usIn post 4565, rb wrote: How is lynching WT for shits and giggs? Oh, right: you were one of the people pushing Kuroi's wagon over WT and you also happen to be Nosferatu - the enemy of a number of human factions in this game.
crazy, right?
WT is scum too but we should lynch the scum right in front of our faces first"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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lynching a cultist isn't GREAT but at least we'd find out that's what the cult is.In post 4571, Tim wrote:1) isolationist could be cult-cult and Salt joked that he wanted to be recruited before, so maybe cult obliged."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You'll come back tomorrow and something will have gone wrong with it.In post 4579, Salt Squad wrote:
No I can literally conf myself as town.In post 4578, Cephrir wrote:the constant one day refrain just makes me think you have a powerful one-shot ability
I have the same ability you're claiming. I just don't believe you. And I can see about a thousand ways it can not go through."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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alsoIn post 4587, davesaz wrote:If you're scum and you successfully recruit, your target becomes scum with you and says you're town.
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we don't know it contains scum unless salt flips town, which they most likely will notIn post 4610, rb wrote:Apart from WT I'm starting to just want to lynch all of the hood until we find the scum because I'm tired of this game revolving around this stupid hood. Fuck the hood."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"In post 4633, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shitIn post 4630, Luna Fox wrote:rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.
we don't know what the shit is that,
if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as well"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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mine has a line about being disgusted by the important vampires/nosferatu attempting to subjugate humans/treating them poorlyIn post 4653, Luna Fox wrote:
Actually now that you mention it, my flavor does say i long for coexistence.In post 4651, Cephrir wrote:i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes""I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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it's almost as though probably half the town has itIn post 4718, rb wrote:Then again we're assuming a lot about how many people would share your WinCon....would it be likely that there'd be this many with your WinCon?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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and what do you think happens when their scumbuddy later flips isolationist?In post 4780, RAM wrote:SS's reaction just doesn't make sense. Just envision how this all plays out with SS!scum just rolling with the isolationist result. He goes yeah, I'm isolationist, so what? She says what's that factions win con? He says remove all threats. She says oh. okay."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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The reason the result of isolationist makes salt scum is because they are denying being one.In post 4847, rb wrote:I've come to the conclusion that Luna's faction cop result is not fucked with, Salt Squad really is 'isolationist' - but isolationist doesn't mean scum/cult.
Read about the Individual Vampires - they're outcasts. Read about Kuroi's character Hans Pohl - he's an outcast. They're allisolated and individualand hold no particular allegiance to anyone. The 'Individual' factions are somewhat a neutral ground that win with a few different other WinCons. Also, 'isolationism' in political terms is commonly acccepted as meaning that you keep other people's business out of yours and you try to do the best with what you can (roughly speaking).
This all sounds very consistent with the flavour for Individual Vampires/Humans and I'm starting to really think that we've simply been reading isolationist wrong. Luna's result wasn't fucked with - Salt Squad IS an isolationist - but isolationist isn't the cult/scum indicator we thought it was."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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The thought of someone being scum because they make too much sense makes me want to punch a wall. I know this game is full of stupid but let's not encourage them thanks.
Expedience makes a good point.... in 4911 now that I've been ninjad 627484 times."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I don't know how it's even possible to guess at this without seeing the cult win condition.In post 4966, rb wrote:I could be wrong here ofc, but there was an exchange between Ceph/Luna that made me feel like their apparent WinCons were anti-scum but not anti-cult.
I would not characterize rb's play as fence sitting. If anything his opinions have been stronger at times than they've had any right or reason to be. Maybe he's not given a clear read in a few circumstances, but how is it scummy to not be certain sometimes? This is only a concern if fence sitting is a dominant theme, which it's not been.In post 5037, copper223 wrote:@RB
The accusation is clear, I think you are scum aligned cause:
- You have been fence sitting on your accusations/probes giving yourself an out in case it went wrong and pushing the wrong things.
- you are trying to disrupt every attempt to start solving the setup based on the information we have by claiming it's impossible to do (using faulty logic) and by accusing the players trying to of slipping (I have never seen such a slip in a real game from a non newbie, the rest of us understand you can post your thoughts in the scum PT about that if you want to, so that's likely another attempt to shut that line of research down cause you likely have something to lose if we figure it out).
"Pushing the wrong things" is an empty phrase when we have so few flips.
You're ridiculous. I'm SURE the game is designed to punish us for lynching based solely on race (see, again: we have like 3 claimed race checkers right now and there could be more -- this game does not have four-plus full cops)In post 5061, copper223 wrote:Only undead are allowed in our PT (per mastin guarantee), so at most since the Wulden are partially undead after their transformation from Lyncans we have Wulden mole(s).
It makes very little sense for there to be more than 1 Wulden mole both balance-wise and based on how the players have behaved, let's even assume 2 to cover lunatic fringe cases, that still means there are 3 undead (of the same race, one of which is mod confirmed post flip to be the same as me) with the same faction wincon, that's enough to believe the other undead races (Nosferatu and Wulden) also have PT's and shared win-cons, so claiming to be of that race is a bigger scum-tell than everything I have read about WT.
And we don't have any way of knowing for certain that Nosferatu and Wulden are scum factions. It seems like a possibility, but nothing more. We now pretty much know that one of the scum groups is named Isolationist, which... could be anything, could it not? Maybe it's a group of humans and lycans who want to secede from the Union. I don't claim to know that. What I do know is that if you want to find out you should be voting Salt Squad. I don't usually make arguments like this, but the fact there is a wagon on LLD and not Salt Squad does not make me feel very good about her chances of flipping scum.
I'm really not liking your posts these last few pages, again. :/
Can you stop being scum?In post 5075, DrippingGoofball wrote:Can we get more LLD votes?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener