Katsuki's Madness Prequel II - Game Over

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/confirm

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I thought Panzer was being ironic because this playerlist is so awesome. Whatever.

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Vote Spiff

LLD, I'd agree if we were getting vote counts from the Mod.

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i cant tell you how fuckin happy i am abt this

This sounds sincere LOL

I've only ever seen him outside of mafia, but isn't kanye pretty much always sincere?

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I trust that hunch. I don't have it myself, but I trust yours.

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/confirm!

Hi kanye! Hi spyrex! hi kmd!
Hi everyone!
This is exciting.

Hi. Don't kill me lol

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Hmm. Very similar reaction to when I brought that up in that game. (For everyone else, camn was town there)

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Ira, didn't you just play with DGB? Or were you already dead when she replaced in and didn't keep following? Also, you're kind of right. That was never meant to be a reaction "test" or anything. It just felt so similar I had to go back and check and I realized it's almost exactly the same.

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Were you faking your hunch, the Fate thing, or both?

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Ira, didn't you just play with DGB? Or were you already dead when she replaced in and didn't keep following? Also, you're kind of right. That was never meant to be a reaction "test" or anything. It just felt so similar I had to go back and check and I realized it's almost exactly the same.

That's actually why I unvoted, because I remembered that she just tunneled a lurker the whole time, and I couldn't understand it and thought she was scum-aligned for it.

I'm right that you're scum-aligned? Saying that I'm partially right is basically just conceding, which makes me think more that you're scum-aligned.

Did you have the intention in mind of comparing camn's response to the other game you played with him when you made the first post, 47?

Did you actually read my post? You're right that it wasn't a reaction test. Like I said already, no, I didn't intend to compare. I noticed similarities after camn posted.

Kanye, why is spiff town?

Spiff, you were being serious about policy lynching hiplop?

Farside, this is the most real you'll ever see me because the playerlist is so cool. Even if I was scum, I wouldn't have to be fake.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=65890
^That's the only time I've seen Ira. He was town. Didn't stand out to me early in the game, but I feel like I remember him getting wagoned even before scum faked a guilty on him. Problem here is I see what the people voting him see. He's weirdly overreactive and stretching like crazy which I don't remember from that game. He's said a couple of things that make me think town though and I don't think we've had enough of a Day 1 to develop reads though so unless he becomes over the top obvscum, I won't be placing him at L-1 soon.

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V/LA until Sunday night

Noted.

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kmd are you scum?

No.

Some people seem like they've never played with DGB. She's pretty much herself so far.

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Vote hiplop

V/LA until friday

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I'm back from V/LA. Only managed to stay awake for 6 hours yesterday lol. hopefully today I'll catch up on this game.

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Can someone tell me why dramonic is getting votes when there's a claimed guilty?

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Seriously?

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Wow...

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What?

Back in my day, that would never be a serious arguement. Maybe from the person being lynched, but that's it.

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Can someone tell me why dramonic is getting votes when there's a claimed guilty?

Because he is scum.

Can you tell me why you are actively lurking this game?

Busy. Shouldn't have joined.

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What?

Back in my day, that would never be a serious arguement. Maybe from the person being lynched, but that's it.

Lurking as scum was much easier too, poor kmd.

It was always dumb as an intentional strategy. I never tried it, personally.

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Figures this starts right when I go back to work.

V/LA until Saturday

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when kmd next posts (some time around christmas perhaps), it'd be cool if he could clarify whether or not he was voteless d1

I wasn't.

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Gonna throw out there that I think DGB as scum would have claimed an innocent today. That combined with agreeing that she shouldn't be in LYLO makes me think she is town.

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Is there actually a case on dramonic somewhere?

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Catching up as much as I can

Thoughts and questions on Day 1 stuff I missed:
Spiff, what didn't you like about hiplop and dramonic's interaction? How do you feel about dramonic's side of things knowing that hiplop was town?

Ira, you said dramonic wouldn't policy lynch you as town. How many games have the two of you played together? It's entirely possible that he decided after that game that you should be policy lynched in future games. I do like that point to an extent though.
^As I read Ira's posts, I believe that he believes dramonic is scum. So Ira is a town read for me.

If dramonic is town, I can see Spiff and Spy's votes being scum looking for an easy mislynch. That wagon had two dead town + DGB/Ira who I am townreading + Spy/spiff. I'm also townreading Muffin and I like his point about Spy only giving a few reads that weren't controversial.

LLD looks town to me.

Got through Page 15.

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Ok

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But he doesn't do a whole lot as town either...

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I didn't say he was "too easy". I'm just saying voting for poor play makes no sense. You aren't giving any good reason why he is scum. Like what about his play is more likely scum than town and why?

And no, I haven't read games I didn't play. Keeping up with the ones I'm in is hard enough. If I had time to read those games, it would be better spent finishing my read of this one instead. But I've been in quite a few games with dramonic so I have a feel for his play and his play as you describe it is something I've seen from him as town as well. Seeing him as a top 3 poster would be new for me. That's true. But it's also true that he's been pretty absent as town multiple times. It's not as simple as "he's active as town and lurks as scum". Your read isn't in depth at all.

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KMD's post at the very top of this page really pings me

The questions are pretty useless and make me think he just wants to look like he's doing something productive with his catch up

It's outdated, sure. But picking up where I left off will help me grasp the game better.

So I know this contradicts my reads, but dramonic's 797 reads like scum who knows spiff is town. Someone help. (Scum's mind wouldn't be "shattered"). Spiff acting like dramonic is being ignored is pretty bad though.

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Some more notes and stuff on Day 1:
I see camn agreeing with Fate's Spy suspicion (maybe? she said he's "acting weird") but she wanted to wait until Day 2 to pressure him. She didn't live to see Day 2. Then Farside was the N2 kill and she's got Spy listed as a scum read. Might be a coincidence, but I don't usually believe in those.

Spring asked me what was similar about camn's reaction to my post compared to another game. It was the tone. The feel of the post. The way she says I'm off the list but still jokes about it. I dunno, it's hard to explain, but it just made me flash back to that game. Also you said I took back the town read. I don't remember doing that. And my expressing a meta town read on Ira in 161 wasn't really fencesitty. It was mostly me acknowledging that it's not a ridiculously solid read. I even said it wasn't likely to change though.

Day 2:
I reeeeeallllly don't like Spiff's immediate reaction to DGB's guilty result being "assuming it's real...". Like why question it right away? It feels like he knew hiplop was town. He also didn't vote hiplop in that stretch of posts.

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Execute: LLD

^this happened

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So Ira didn't understand my point. Not surprised.

Vote Spiff

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So Ira didn't understand my point. Not surprised.

Vote Spiff

What?

Maybe you just phrased it wrong... I think I understand.

You missed my point entirely

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Spring I'm not done with Day 2. What does farside have to do with spiff's post about DGB?

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Spring I'm not done with Day 2

ill give someone 10:1 odds that kmd never catches up on the game

any takers

I won't take that bet.

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I'd rather not lynch the cop

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Some more Day 2 thoughts:
Spring calling LLD scum because of her role is BS.

Muffin, why would Spy having more info than the rest of us about vote counts and shenanigans make him scum? I know you said it's an either or kind of situation but I don't get the part where he could be scum because of it.
^Actually that was kind of answered but it's still weird to me.

I'm actually liking Spy a little more now.

DGB having dumb psychic flavor makes perfect sense for an insane cop.

People wondered about whether my Spiff vote Day 1 was supposed to count or not. Spring asked me to clarify and my only answer is that I don't have any extra info on that

Mod, are the Day 1 vote counts correct? I voted Spiff but it never appeared

I like Ira's posting for the most part in this stretch of the game, but the way he questions DGB's result kind of feels like scum who knew hiplop was town. As I read a little more, I see hiplop made the same point.

Fate, you said there was scum in hiplop/spiff. Why is your vote not on spiff today?

Beginning of Day 3:
Dgb, you opened the day sheeping spiff. Why spiff specifically?

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This game
Fyi this should all make insane cop very clearly not make sense ps vote dgb

Why

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Spy, what if I were to tell you that traditional roles exist in this game and it's not all centered around votes?

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Not vig. I'm confirmable though (role, not alignment) and definitely a traditional role that has nothing to do with votes.

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Well that answers that.

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I don't think LLD is scum but I didn't think DGB was either so meh. I still kinda think Spiff is

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Not vig. I'm confirmable though (role, not alignment) and definitely a traditional role that has nothing to do with votes.

by the way, if we aren't mass-claiming, i want to talk about this

because this claim of something that's both "confirmable" and a traditional role was brought up as a reason to think dgb was telling the truth yesterday

because a large part of at least spyrex's reason for thinking dgb was scum was that her role didn't fit in the setup

Actually, it was brought up as a reason to think Spy's point made no sense. My role had nothing to do with my town read on DGB. I stand by that claim of having a traditional, confirmable, role though.

I don't see the point in massclaiming, but I tend to be more stubborn than most people with that.

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I still say spiff is scum and LLD is town

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Prod dodge

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I dunno, I'm kind townreading that whole wagon. If Spiff is town, I guess I'd say Fate from his wagon by poe.

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There definitely could be strong powers that scum could kill and it could be players that they otherwise wouldn't.

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I mean we could have like an investigative with just one living innoncent result or even like a tracker or watcher who just hasn't gotten useful info. Just a couple of examples. And I'm not in any way softing that that's me or denying it. Just throwing it out there as an example.

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Vote Spiff

Thought I did that already. twice, actually. My last post apparently never posted. It was mostly about how spiff is still scum and muffin wanting to massclaim and lynch the strongest claims is BS.

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V/LA

Had a baby on the 5th on surgery on my eyes on the 6th. I don't think I need to be away from my phone for long and I can even come on and read short posts now, but I'm not reading walls or multiple pages because my eyes need rest and my daughter (and my almost 2 year old son) needs attention.

Once I come back, I have plenty of time to commit. No work until the 28th! I didn't put a date on the V/LA because I simply don't know but I wouldn't expect more than a couple of days

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Is there really no one willing to lynch spiff?

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Does anyone care to actually interact with me? I am right here...

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Let's get input from a few more people before I do that.

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It's not "awesome" at all. It's traditional and confirmable. Also far from a "cop role".

I'm a roleblocker. N1, I asked Kat if I was allowed to submit "no action" and was told I should just self-target. We went back and forth on whether that's allowed and I was actually never 100% sure on which way Kat decided. N2, I said I wanted to go the same way with it and N3 same thing. I view roleblocker as negative utility early in a game because you get in the way of power roles. The last time I had roleblocker as a role as town, I targeted a VT claim N1 and stuck with that strategy. That was basically my logic here. Stay out of the way until late in the game.

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Also just realized your "hinting" comment probably refers to my massclaim discussion with muffin. I thought I was very clear that I WASN'T hinting by mentioning those types of roles. Only using them as an example.

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It's not, but that wasn't the arguement I was making when I said it. My point was that Spy's point could be proven wrong with my role. But he caught scum for the wrong reason so I can't really complain now lol

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Muffin, I get ignored when I give a read and the only point anyone has given on my wagon is that I was wrong about DGB.

i mean, your primary scum read seems to be spiffeh but the only stuff you've really said about him is with regards to his d2 posts about dgb's claim

I actually think that's a really strong point. Do you disagree?

i could see a town roleblocker thinking they didn't want to get in the way of power roles. but there's a number of people who'd already claimed their roles before the end of yesterday and you apparently still chose not to use it last night. why?

Did I miss a claim that was either VT, passive, or negative utility? If I did, that's my mistake.

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Seel the biggest problem is I'm townreading Ira and am cool with him vote blocking, townreading LLD and missed that she was one shot (my bad), thought Spy had some kind of weird voodoo stuff that I didn't want to get in the way of if he was town. What did Fate claim? I don't remember Fate claiming.

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Spiff scum. LLD town. Ira town. Dramonic town. You and Fate conflicted. Spring not sure.

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Ira still looks similar to his town meta. The only thing still bugging me about him is the way he seemed to already know hiplop was town earlier. I wouldn't be shocked to be wrong about this read, but nothing everyone suggests is scummy about him is any different than his town meta.

Let me ask this. Why would scum me sit on my Spiff vote rather than give some "you guys suck but this close to deadline it's all I can do" post and vote LLD? Unless you think LLD and I are both scum but I don't think most people are really pushing that at all.

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LLD hasn't shown any intention of voting me either, so that same arguement applies for those voting LLD.

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No clue. Only played with Ira once. That's why it's a weak read.

No one wants to listen on spiff. That's not my fault.

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Spring, are there more scum killing than town power roles acting?

Also, no one is cleared by me until only one scum remains.

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Spring, all a kill would tell us is that someone didn't kill, not that they are town.

Spiff, I'm already lynched.

Final guess for scum is Spiff/Spring. Spring might be getting confused if scum power roles can't act and kill in the same night and the same scum has been killing all game because the only have one goon. I feel like it's pretty much common sense that a kill happening with a RB doesn't clear the blocked person.