Food Fight Mafia - WHO OWNS THE SCHOOL???

[Yamahako]

Fling Peas at Tarhalindur

Take THAT!

[Yamahako]

Fish for this Skruffs!

Fling Pea at Skruffs

[Yamahako]

Yama, any reason?

Foolinc, you have a multiple of multiple items?
I don't understand the reasoning behind your soup retribution.

Hmm.

I told you why, you were fishing.

[Yamahako]

wait, since unofficial votes aren't real, can we cast TWO?

If so,

Unofficial Vote: Battle Mage and Gorrad

. Both you are very against each other, so I only think one is the scum. I won't throw anything yet, because it may be a waste.

Force Peas in Skitzers eyes

[Yamahako]

Both you are very against each other, so I only think one is the scum.

Obviously, this is an exaggerated oversimplification.

Is this condemnation or a defense?

flings peas at Aimee

[Yamahako]

Guys, stop throwing food NOW.

In case you hadn't noticed (I hadn't until just now), DGB's comments in the signup threads make it pretty clear that this game has a permavote mechanic. Unless I am very much mistaken, not only can we not take back thrown food,

thrown food is not removed at night

. In other words, Skruffs will have at least 10% damage on him FOR THE REST OF THE GAME.

The next person to disregard this warning is helping the scum and needs to die. Understood?

I think this goes against the spirit of the game, and I refuse to go along with it. Any attempt to "lead" the town toward lynches in this manner seems scummy to me.

Flick Peas at Tarhalindur

.

Its the same as taking notes and noticing the scummy things people say and keeping a count of how scummy you think someone is. You've got your mini-foods to show FoS's, and for full on Votes you've got your big food. If someone is tossing their big food around, mayhaps they would be suspicious - but it would take 100 (I'm guessing) small foods to lynch someone. 100 FOS's is a lot.

[Yamahako]

I don't care about the "spirit of the game". I want the town to win the game, and as far as I can tell, playing in what you claim is the "spirit of the game" is a ticket to a easy scum victory.

Bah, what's the fun of a

food fight mafia

, if you are going to ignore the mechanics. Enjoying the game > winning or losing imo. Though that doesn't mean I don't want town to win.

Given what I know, I believe that if we use our food in order to show minor suspicions, then there is a strong possibility that we will either be forced to lynch a player that we don't want to lynch due to a shortage of food (or find ourselves unable to lynch at all) or unwittingly lynch a player with a low lynch threshold. Either one of these outcomes is bad for the town.

Well, you've already shown that what you know has been historically wrong in this game so far. I couldn't imagine running out of food for a day. I may have been foolish in assuming everyone has 100 of their minor food item (and thus the idea of not being able to complete a lynch was lunacy), but at least SOME people have 100 of a food item (me) and even at the least amount of "damage" that might be enough to kill someone (or my weak food has no power...).

Your belief that we should show suspicions by throwing food is noteworthy. Your decision to attack me simply because I do not share your views is a scumtell, as is the tone in which you do so.

I didn't attack you simply because you do not share my views, I attacked you because I think what you're doing is scummy. I said as much in my response. I think its scummy because you're trying to lead the town to act in a specific way that isn't necessarily in their favor. You are basically trying to "control" the game, with the unofficial vote counts and ultimatums. This type of behavior says scum to me in this instance.

As of yet I haven't actually noticed any real effect from my food though, and you see as likely a person to test it out on:

Flick peas at Tarhalindur

Spoon catapult peas at Tarhalindur

Wet Willy a pea into Tarhalindur's ear

Force peas up Tarhalindur's nose

Grenade toss peas at Tarhalindur

Testing > Assumptions. More fun too

[Yamahako]

Smashes a bottle of 7-up over Yamahako's head

I have a reason, and you still break out the big food? Interesting...

[Yamahako]

Smashes a bottle of 7-up over Yamahako's head

I have a reason, and you still break out the big food? Interesting...

It's more about you assaulting someone viciously with the only reasoning being you "testing".

Did you not read the REST of the post?

[Yamahako]

I think its interesting how I've only thrown one item without an explination. And I'm getting a lot of flak. But people feel its ok that others are tossing big food at me without an

actual

reason and no one seems to mind. And the statement JDodge said was that he'd throw his soda at the next person who threw food without a reason - I gave a reason.

I choose not to participate in voting in any form. It's too "Convenient" and reminds me of the Huggle Alliance in the Lights Out game from a while back. Too easy for scum to latch on to a band wagon and then everyone pelts food. Way too easy to hide in that noise.

I don't think we'll reach a real dynamic with this game until we've got people in the 50's or 60's in the meter. Until then food thrown is largely cosmetic. People are trying too hard to look town with their cautious play - and its OBVIOUS. It's easy for Scum to try and get the town on their side.

It's a far superior strategy for people to throw food when they see people acting suspiciously. There will be more accountability for the food that's thrown, and people can't hide behind "Town Approved Bandwagons."

Just everyone take note at who's looking for an excuse to toss food at someone who is outspoken... most of them will be scum.

[Yamahako]

My peas apparently do nothing :-/

[Yamahako]

EBWDP - no I have no reason to believe that I'm more sensitive than others.

[Yamahako]

EBWADP - scratch that, I just re-read my role name, maybe there is a reason.

[Yamahako]

I think the votes are self explainable.

Think

what you may have done which would have caused me to vote you. Clearly, this is not as hard as playing shogi.

I actually can't say. Nor would i say even if i did know, because that would allow you to throw suspicion around without doing any of the work yourself. So please, drop the lazy gene, and tell us what you're thinking.

Good Posting!

[Yamahako]

Yama, did you throw any food that you didn't have?

Nope. I have 100 peas. They are just incredibly weak, or they do nothing.

This is the biggest reason why we CAN'T just vote in this game. We leave ourselves too open to some potential highly damaging food from Mafia - and we will have no idea what it does. Without testing out our food - we will have no idea if we are close to lynch, or have exhausted our food reserves so that we CAN'T lynch.

We NEED to be throwing food.

Throw 10 Peas at Tarhalindur

Again, this is just testing and will bring Tar up to 16 peas. Please feel free to overreact in an dumb way. I'm testing on Tar again because I still find him scummy, but the purpose of the test is not to kill him right now.

[Yamahako]

My food does fit my character role

[Yamahako]

^good posting.

when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of YOU and I.

U and ME...

[Yamahako]

something Yama said made me think. This may seem like fishing but I want to ask if we should think about discussing it.

Yama said that the food in his lunch box doesn't match his role. Neither does mine.

Really? I'm pretty sure I said:

My food does fit my character role

[Yamahako]

Sir Tornado, I'd like to give you some help if I could.

Does anyone even get what

BM-sans

is trying to say here?

San is a Japanese title similar to "Mister" or "Misses". Sans is a french word meaning without. They do sound similar, but they aren't the same thing.

For more helpful information regarding Japanese titles, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_titles

In either case, you need to defend your positions with reasoning. Anything less is scummy.

BM, it seems like you aren't thinking enough before you post some of your posts are contradictory and semi-confusing. Just a heads up.

[Yamahako]

Jester is ridiculous in this setup. Seriously, that is a ludicrous accusation in a setup where you

cannot

undo votes, and considering what my soda bottle did to Yama, I'd say they'd need very little help to kill themselves.

Good posting!

[Yamahako]

What is it with EVERY game I'm in people thinking there's a jester?

[Yamahako]

Throw 15 peas at Sir T

[Yamahako]

Throw 15 peas at Sir T

Now you're just asking for it.

I'm going to be gone until Tuesday, with potential, but sporadically I may be able to post more.

if JDodge was more covered in food, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing...

He's looking way too hard for a reason to implicate someone.

for the slower members of the group, look at the last vote count...

[Yamahako]

I feel that Yamahako has been throwing way too much food for comfort.

I figuring on a normal person, peas and M&Ms will do the same damage, so in that case

Pelt Yamahako with a M&M

Another person who is looking to justify throwing food without actually paying attention to the state of the game.

16 peas to Tar with no effect says something different.

[Yamahako]

Yamahako is contradicting himself so much it's ridiculous. Looking at Post 224, he cautions against exhausting our food reserves but then says we need to throw our foods. He says we would be leaving ourselves open to Mafia, yet damaging random people isn't leaving us open to mafia?

Throw 50 peas at Shadow Lurker

That's for misrepresentation and not paying attention. Perhaps you'll do both less now.

[Yamahako]

If you notice I tried to throw "peas" four times at someone.

I was just doing 15 and 50 because I'm lazy... I'm not sure how the mod is handling them...

but... and I'll emphasize to make everything quite clear...

since not a single pea I have thrown has EVER done any damage

I figured it didn't matter...

100 peas that all do zero damage are super fun... wheee

And yeah, they are real :-/

[Yamahako]

Is it possible that some kids could have "immunities" to some food. Like say for instance, you are the fat kid(I know, sad stereotype) and all desserts thrown at you do not do any damage...something like that?

I know this to be true. I'm anorexic, I think that's why the foods thrown at me did extra damage.

[Yamahako]

YAmahako, why would peas be considered anorexia food? They are actually fairly high carb, which makes them a no-no in anorexia land. Celery and saltines are what I would expect from an anorexic.

Why are you still saying the peas are real when they, apparently, are not?

Not to give out too much info but, I actually do have saltines. I say that I'm anorexic because that is my role. I don't know much about peas in general.

My lunch box contains 100 peas, they exist for throwing - but apparently they do no damage.

[Yamahako]

I now feel that Yama is lying. Anorexic and 100 peas that do no damage? That does not seem plausible.

Ninja Throwing Star a Saltine at Skitzer

I can prove myself. Besides, the few things that hit me got me near 40 already which says anorexic to me...

[Yamahako]

I just thought it unlikely that all you had were peas...but I guess I was proven wrong...

I said I had other stuff...

[Yamahako]

@Mod

Do our foods gain effectiveness as the number of players decreases?

[Yamahako]

mod: does food gain strength during the day as well, since each piece of food becomes 'more' of the total of remaining food?

Great question, yamahako, except that you just became a huge liability later on in the game when your peas become more damaging...

well up from zero is nice, but my saltine did crap for damage, and I'm down to 2 things left that I don't want to waste now :-/

I would think I would be a bigger liability if my peas did 0 damage, because then I coudln't help with the lynch...

[Yamahako]

My Role PM says anorexic - I'm making a conjeture that me being anorexic makes me take more damage from food

[Yamahako]

Throw a Pea at BM

Bah. BM, you are not consistant in how you play. You're either a genius and plan it that way, or you're a spaz and can't help it.

Either way I can't read you. The pea is just to keep you in check. You seem like a slippery scum to me.

Skitzer I

do

need to make a conjecture. My role PM

doesn't

say that being anorexic does anything to me. It just says I

am

anorexic. This is a fruitless discussion at this point anyway, it will be confirmed when I die and I'm nervous about 3 items taking me to nearly 40% today. No more, no less.

[Yamahako]

@MOD

I'm sorry to be asking you so many mechanic questions, but...
What would happen if 2 people were close to lynch, and someone threw food in the same post at both of them that took them over the lynching mark?

Same question, but what if it was different people over multiple posts?

[Yamahako]

I'd estimate -ignoring sensetivity for a moment- that we have about 350~ power worth of weapons left. I'd also guess we have about 600 power total.

If we take that logic a bit further, each of us has the capability of dealing about 25 points of damage if we unload all of our food. -on average-

Just some things I figured out.

Throw a Pea at Skruffs

[Yamahako]

Tar posited that the permavotes carry over from day to day. Yama didn't like what Tar's warning against throwing any food did to the spirit of the game, and added that Tar was trying to lead the town to a lynch. I don't understand how. Yama, clarify plz? Any road, the mod shot down this speculation.

By controlling the means for an "approved lynch model" and opposing anyone not willing to go along with it - Tar was asserting himself as town in a way that would most benefit the scum. It's not so much the lead to a lynch (which is the eventual goal of every day), but the manner in which it was being done that I objected to. I most likely phrased it poorly.

Good post by the way...

I think the BM and Skruffs thing is just out of hand - and I think they are both town to be honest. The only person who I am 99% sure about is Skitzer... his last post is horribly scummy - and he's used the same scum logic before today.

Throw the rest of my peas at Skitzer

Jai alai throws a saltine at Skitzer

[Yamahako]

SKitzer can still be sent home - there's plenty of damage left...

Throw Cup of Hot Coffee at Skitzer

See?

[Yamahako]

The buhbuhbam avatar was to insult FlameAxe in another game, who made fun of it.
I've wanted this one for a while now, anyways. It fits. You wouldn't understand being German.

No, you're right, i've never been a big fan of the Germans, though im not sure what that has to do with your avatar.

I see what you did there...

[Yamahako]

I haven't claimed a role yet?
Okay, you apparently did make up your role, if you A) think you are vanilla if you have bad behavior notes and B) think that there is me for claim other than name, ability, and win condition, things you have balked at claiming because.. Hmmmm. Why would someone stall in claiming until they had someone else to base their role off of, which, admit it, you waited to do.



I'm trying to see you swing?you obviously missed the point of that statement, which was that you are an obnoxious, ignorant twit who seems to enjoy lynching power roles as town or scum. I have been attacking you? Yeah, I guess the food I threw at you was entirely unprovoked, and becase you were obvobv cleared townie and thus above suspicion. How do you do that eyeroll smiley? I want to do that right now.


You've been fishing about bad behavior notes, and then tried to pin it on me when I fed you misinformation about it.
You fished for information about powerroles, then claimed one, then also said you were vanilla.


You stated someone was a jester and shouldn't be lynched, then accused me of being his partner when I asked why you would assume jester over scum, and then ignored them and targetted me the rest of the day. When someone questions why people are throwing food at me and ignoring you, he's suddenly my scumbuddy - blatnt threatening anyone who gets in the way of you.


Now you are trying to kill a player with claimed abilities, sayong that I ham trying to see you swing. Hmm. What about the players I started looking at after you claimed; jdodge notably. Have you? No. Have you been trying to see me swing on a nonreason? Yes.

Did you ridicule me for being angry at your heavy handed extortion with your theat of a cream pie - a food item referenced In the game itself (or at least one of my pms)? Yes, you did.
But what did you do when someone fake threw a fake ox? You pretended to take it seriously, soething you had previously said was moronic of me to do.

In short, you've been useless all day, and I don't know why you have been singlemindedly trying to get my lynched all day, but, popularity contest aside, you are either a lyncher, jester,or godfather, with a badly claimed role. I am guessing lyncher, because you seem to not have considered anything other than getting me lynched, regardless of anything else in the game. But that desn't fit in with your jeater spiel on sir tornado, so I'll guess either one or the other.


In short, you may seem to hate me, but everything you've attacked me with, YOU are guilty of. I don't think it's my playstyle you have a problem with at all.





I think it's yours.

All of this... and the only thing I can think of is... that's just BM :-/ If it wouldn't hurt my games - I'd lynch him every time he acts like this (he doesn't ALWAYS do this... but its a null tell).

Skitzer is a far better choice

[Yamahako]

If anyone expresses any indication that they think any of bm's arguments make any sense and/or are base on the game, I'll respond to them, because I'm pretty sure it's just still goading me into being pissed off at him, which honestly, doesn't do anything but give him some snickers.

Ok. Ima translate this as: "I can't find a decent response to the points made against me, so i'll just lurk until deadline."

again, i'm not sure if you are talking in a deliberately obtuse way in order to antagonise, or whether there is some secret code that i'm missing here.

I'm not sure when tomorrow the deadline is, but if i'm killed, make damn sure you kill Skruffs tomorrow.

BM

I don't see how you can complain about his "ignoring your points" when he's responded to all of them - which is in turn you ignoring his points. And additionally you not responding to serious questions that he has about how you claimed (Again you ignoring his points).

You're a broken record right now, and the tune sucks.

[Yamahako]

Oh yeah, and everyone should be throwing more things at SKitzer

[Yamahako]

Did you even bother to glance at post 709?
I responded to what seems to be his entire case against me. Now, in typical BM fashion, i'm going to post frequently in an attempt to invoke a response.

Why did you condemn Skruffs saying that you thought that Adults were scum?

[Yamahako]

Is Skruffs food-worthy ?

Smoosh a pea in ABR's hair

I think you're food worthy.

[Yamahako]

I still can't hurt anyone

[Yamahako]

im here and i care, its just the fighting between you two just keeps going and going, and with not much else happening, theres not much to comment on. i still think the battle is pretty silly and most likely between two townies

You seem level-headed, who do you propose we dump our lunches on ?

Why hasn't this kid been sent home yet?

Throw 25 peas at ABR

[Yamahako]

D) both me and bm could be townies, but bm has no clue what he's talking about in regards to alignment, role, abilities, behavior notes, and win conditions.

I'm inclined to believe this one.

BM, I have a request. Pretend Skruffs isn't in the game, and give support *any* support to another lynch candidate. There isn't just one scum in this game - and even if Skruffs is (which I believe he isn't) there are more avenues to research.

This argument between Skruffs and BM has been seriously dangerous for the town. It's allowed other people to act scummy without recrimination. It's created a huge distraction to ACTUAL scum hunting. It's led to the claiming of the cop unreasonably early. It's completely stopped the throwing of food (bad, IMO). It's gotten us dangerously close to deadline TWICE, with no actual lynch we decided upon under a real town consensus the first time.

We have 10 days. With no cop counterclaim, no one is going to actually kill BM. With no reasonable argument against him, no one is going to actually kill Skruffs. Let's look for other good candidates - like ABR for example.

Skruffs- you forgot options F: You both are scum and are making a master plan to create dissention to avoid lynches while keeping the town disorganized.

[Yamahako]

This is frigging ridiculous. I officially hate this game atm.
I'm going to lurk for a while unless Skruffs is willing to put himself forward in the way he suggested earlier.

BM

Your case against Skruffs is not compelling. You haven't convinced enough people that what you think is true. Just drop it for no and do something constructive. Maybe that will help you like the game better. Having a tantrum, and rehashing the same ineffectual points will do nothing.

[Yamahako]

Machine Gun Fire 74 Peas at ABR

Dump Hot Coffee on ABR's head

Ninja Star 3 Saltines into ABR's eyes

[Yamahako]

Oh yeah, Milk causing extreme flatulence would be more a sign of Lactose intollerance rather than being fat specifically

So I don't believe the counter claim, even if it can be tested

[Yamahako]

You're momma

The Fonz is your mother? I'm so confused

[Yamahako]

I have food. I don't know why Shadowlurker didnt throw any.

The throwing of my food will come, I have no doubt.

Hint: Not all of us have the same amount of food to play with. I am, sadly, not in possession of 100 tiny peas to throw around.

Considering they appear to do 0 damage... I don't have that much food either

[Yamahako]

Note: the peas didn't do anything yesterday.
Today they might do visible damage, and tomorrow they most likely do even more. Damage is based on weight*percentage, or some formula to that. As players are eliminated, percentage will go up.

I threw a pea at someone today that had no damage, next "vote count" the person had recieved no other source of damage and did not have any damage shown.

I'm not saying they will never do damage - just at this point- they haven't.

[Yamahako]

hurl plate of spaghetti and meatballs at Fonz

toss 4 fistfulls of chopped onions at Fonz

. Gross, onions!

Fonz is saying the right things of late, but I still believe that either he or ABR is scum, and that it's not ABR.

I wish I still had food. But I guess using it all on your scum mate wasn't that bad a plan.

[Yamahako]

I believe that Battle Mage and Skruffs are members of the same mafia - purposefully arguing to distract the town.

[Yamahako]

Ok, BM, I did what you reccomended. I waited a while and reread. Now, honestly, with you clarifying the BB note rules with DGB, as well as a cop clearing both you and Skruffs, I'm willing to believe a lot more that you both are town. ABR, now that Fonz is dead and telling the truth, would you care to elaborate on your claim? The ferocity with which you attacked him, as well as your counterclaim, makes you top of my list now.

Also, it looks like we have two scumgroups (soup and admins), as well as an SK. The SK gave the head injury, the soup boiled then bashed (makes sense that they would kill Fonz. Human flesh is a strange ingrediant.), and the admins fired then expelled. The SK N1 must have failed to get through.

Chuck single gummy bear at ABR.

I'll throw more soon, but I want to see their damage today. Also, on similar lines, maybe the reason for the 100 peas is that, once he's dead, the amount of food will drop dramatically and the rest of the food will do more damage. Just a thought.

I was clearly only following Tar because he looked like he knew wtf he was doing.

Tar made you do it? No thought for yourself?

[Yamahako]

Yet again you dodge and a personal attack.. man... your fun to poke aren't you?

Slaps Flameaxe in the face with a Fruit Rollup

Now... perhaps you will kindly explain your post 1332 and now your 1349 posts using words, explanations, and perhaps descriptions instead of not doing anythign at all...

Now let me ask you this: Are those food throwings REALLY justified? You are getting pissy because I hurt your wittle feewings? I'm sorry, but grow a pair. I justified what I was saying with a number, and 4 digit number that should be completely obvious, BUT NOOOOOO. Figure it out, it might just be the first step to discovering that brain in your head and how it is used.

Why make personal attacks? What good does it do anyone in the game?

[Yamahako]

Yet again you dodge and a personal attack.. man... your fun to poke aren't you?

Slaps Flameaxe in the face with a Fruit Rollup

Now... perhaps you will kindly explain your post 1332 and now your 1349 posts using words, explanations, and perhaps descriptions instead of not doing anythign at all...

Now let me ask you this: Are those food throwings REALLY justified? You are getting pissy because I hurt your wittle feewings? I'm sorry, but grow a pair. I justified what I was saying with a number, and 4 digit number that should be completely obvious, BUT NOOOOOO. Figure it out, it might just be the first step to discovering that brain in your head and how it is used.

Why make personal attacks? What good does it do anyone in the game?

Why does it matter?

Because it interrupts my enjoyment of the game. So if there's no dicernable benefit, its better if it doesn't happen.

[Yamahako]

So in other words, it just gives you something to comment on without actually doing anything, gotcha.

I'm doing stuff, waiting for the next "vote count" to add more comments though.

[Yamahako]

So in other words, it just gives you something to comment on without actually doing anything, gotcha.

I'm doing stuff, waiting for the next "vote count" to add more comments though.

You are arguing personal attacks, which is completely useless to this game.

Well, being a player in the game, commenting on things that aren't helpful to the game (like personal attacks and offensive language) isn't useles to me.

And not all progress each person makes in the game is shown in the thread. What are you accomlishing that is forwarding the game? How is chiding me about expressing my distaste of personal attacks in the game useful to the game?

...just curious.

[Yamahako]

Throw 100 peas at ABR

[Yamahako]

Don't anyone throw food at ABR until the next "vote count" please.

ABR is linked with scum from yesterday. His post history is terrible. Actively lurking is an incredibly accurate description.

[Yamahako]

And if so... why? And why not throw food at him jsut yet exactly?

I'm testing something

[Yamahako]

Mod

Can we get a "vote count" to see where we are before the deadline? Pretty please!

Sorry to be a bother!

[Yamahako]

Speaking of masons getting innocents... a-yup, I got another innocent (Yamahako, for what it's worth) last night. Given what Korlash is now saying, I'm pretty sure I'm Naive at this point.

Obviously I think you got the right result - but I'm wondering how many people HAVEN'T been investigated yet..

Is there a list?

[Yamahako]

Throw 100 peas at Tar

I'm not getting a good vibe about you. Your condemnation of Skruffs has nothing concrete. You theory sounds more like "in the know" than the theory Skruffs had (which you said implicated him).

I'm gonna look back for corellations between you and ABR.

[Yamahako]

I can only assume they'll never deal damage

I guess only have 3 items I can fire at people that will deal damage.

[Yamahako]

I'll post a response sometime today

[Yamahako]

1.) Skitzer was overly defensive, and was constantly saying he thought I was guilty - but didn't want to waste food - yet he basically never used any food. ABR hasn't actually commented on the game with his own thoughts. The entire time he was questioning what other people thought he should do.
2.) ABR (who has been replaced) is almost definetly scum. Skitzer may just be lazy. ABR has links to a, now, known scum.
3.) They basically stopped posting, I was intending to try and do a PBPA on ABR, but I was a Day late (night started earlier than I thought it would). Things have been unpredictable and hectic for me making it more difficult for me to post regularly.
4.) ABR, Tar, and Skitzer. Tar would give us the most information, ABR would be more of a sure thing.
5.) Because I figured if they were actually town they would comment on other things. Their argument left the realm of standard bickering and entered the absurd shortly before that post. It seemed more like a calculated measure that would insure one person was thought of as town Early on. I'd wager if they actually are in a mafia they are paired with Tar-scum which would balanced that many "cops" nicely.

how about you comment on the game yourself rather than continually ask questions and complain about lurkers? If you commit to statments I bet you'll get more participation - if that's your real goal (as opposed to just appearing town.) IGMEOY.

I'll do my best to get my ABR (now replaced) case up - but if you just view all his posts it should be obviously. Actively lurking is nearly always bad in my experience.

[Yamahako]

Throw 2 Saltines at Tar

Throw Cup of Hot Coffee at Tar

I think out of him and ABR - both being equal - Tar's death gives us the most information about who remaining scum might be.

I don't find the Gorrad case that compelling - because posting about the same set-up and theories regarding it isn't necessarily scummy on its own.

[Yamahako]

I'm here

[Yamahako]

I think what

monsieur

Battle Mage means is that cops of varying sanities weakens the power of cops considerably; having a godfather role weakens them even more.

^this. If sane cops arent getting totally accurate results, what decent mod would screw with them even MORE?
I cant see Godfathers and insane cops in this game.

BM

Assuming they arent lying (which is a BIG assumption at this point). They are either Naive or lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it).

No one has ever gotten a guilty, so they aren't insane or paranoid.

[Yamahako]

I don't mind claiming since I've practically done so already:
I am Karina A. Carpenteria an anorexic

[Yamahako]

oh and I like a BM, or Tar death today. I think those will be the most telling to give us townies the best chance

[Yamahako]

No offense intended holy, but please be as fast as you can.

As I said, I'd be for a Tar or BM lynch today. They would be the most telling and hopefully allow us to discern who is and isn't mafia. They both have some holes in their story and there's reason to be suspicious of them.

I'd like everyone to weigh in on those two as soon as possible.

We can't afford to have another day where mafia get off scott free with no day kill for information :-/

[Yamahako]

No offense intended holy, but please be as fast as you can.

As I said, I'd be for a Tar or BM lynch today. They would be the most telling and hopefully allow us to discern who is and isn't mafia. They both have some holes in their story and there's reason to be suspicious of them.

I'd like everyone to weigh in on those two as soon as possible.

We can't afford to have another day where mafia get off scott free with no day kill for information :-/

so of the remaining players, you'd be most inclined to lynch the claimed doc and his confirmed innocent. Tell me, why do you not think any of the players could be scum? I do get the impression you are taking the easy option here.

BM

Well first of all, Tar isn't a claimed doc, unless I'm really misreading things, he's a claimed cop of uncertain sanity that's part of a mason group of questionable alignment. The other members of his group seem suspicious of him.

And second of all you are by no means a CONFIRMED innocent. You're a claimed vanilla, with a role name (not a person name) and an ability (BB notes). A Claimed cop of questionable alignment, and questionable sanity got an innocent on you - in a game where we have confirmed at least 1 godfather on a mafia team, and there are confirmed 2 mafia teams in the game.

And third of all - me saying that either you are Tar would be the most telling lynch (and I have placed quite a few reasons to question either of your towniness as well) does NOT imply "

not think any of the players could be scum?" That's a drastically invalid statement.

[Yamahako]

tosses a plutonium sushi roll at Yamahako
tosses a cream cheese and spagetti sushi roll at Yamahako

Not really impressed with the dualism there, no, not me.

Want to weigh in why? Or are you just looking for any excuse to let loose your food? What about my alleged "dualism" leads you to believe I'm scum?

[Yamahako]

Cicero's arguments against you hold, as do your attempts to point the game at "out" players rather than looking at any of the other 7 players.

In a game with as much lurking going on - but you think I should focus on people that aren't posting?

And Cicero? The mafia member? His arguments hold? Interesting.

He said he thought me and Gorgon were mafia, and now you're saying the same thing. Even more interesting.

[Yamahako]

Im merely pointing out to you that choosing to vote me BASED ON the confirmed innocent is a totally illogical argument. You pushing this as a reason to lynch is scummy. End of.

BM

Would you like to point out where I said my choosing to vote for you was based on the confirmed innocent? I said you had holes in your story, and that lynching you would give a lot of information for the town.

You trying to claim you're a "confirmed innocent" is scummy. You trying to claim that having BB notes is a vanilla role is scummy. Your continued insistance at Skruffs being mafia while using copious amounts of craplogic is scummy.

Someone having an innocent on you is a non-tell given the source of the investigation and the proven existance of godfather's in the game.

[Yamahako]

Wrong again i'm afraid. The godfather argument is not adding up, because mathematically, assuming that Tar is a sane cop, as you are when making this point, i am statistically less likely to be scum than ANY other player, given that we almost certainly have several goons remaining aswell.

I am

NOT

assuming Tar is a sane cop. I have pointed out that its questionable wether or not he is town or scum - given the nature of the cop mason group, as well as expressed doubt of the entire mason group's sanity. In

addition

to that, I have mentioned that the possibility of another mafia godfather exists. These are not exclusive, but concurrent sets of chance that you could be scum. That even

if

the masons are sane and town, you could still be scum. But given the fact that I doubt their sanity and alignment, it's even

more

likely that you are scum.

Granted, Tar is by no means confirmed town, and i can see a strong case for lynching him today. But get ideas of insanity out of your head. A game with GODFATHERS does not feature cops of varying sanities. I cant think of why any mod would fuck with the game to THAT extent.

BM

Insane cops =/= naive cops which is what I think we have. In addition to a potential mafia member in the mason/cop group. Godfathers could be balancing out a mafia cop (might be two of these) role, and we could have 2 of the mason group as mafia members, though I think that's less likely. When we have a minimum total of 5 cops and 1/2 cops I think that the mod isn't so likely to need to be sparing with different cop roles.

And all I really wanted was some discussion on you and Tar - what is the strong case you see on him? We need to get some discussion started and you two are the most likely to generate that discussion.

[Yamahako]

Insane cops =/= naive cops which is what I think we have.

it still renders godfathers obsolete. this is not Bastard Mod.

cicero - simmered gently, George W. Grounded Admin Scum Godfather

Kinda strange to be dead since my PM clearly tells me I have nightkill immunity.

So bah. Go admin scum.

There are other reasons to have a godfather. A Mafia-cop that's sane ALSO gives additional reasons for the Godfather's investigation immunity.

In addition to a potential mafia member in the mason/cop group. Godfathers could be balancing out a mafia cop (might be two of these) role, and we could have 2 of the mason group as mafia members, though I think that's less likely.

these are not examples of cops with different sanities.

Good observation? I'm talking about potential naive cops in the mason group in *addition* to potential mafia cops in the mason group. And besides, if we HAVE mafia cops, their sanity doesn't matter anyway.

When we have a minimum total of 5 cops and 1/2 cops I think that the mod isn't so likely to need to be sparing with different cop roles.

wtf?

Do you

ever

pay attention to your games or what people say? We had a soup-scum cop, and we had a admin-scum cop, and we have a 3 person mason group that all claim to be cops.

And all I really wanted was some discussion on you and Tar - what is the strong case you see on him? We need to get some discussion started and you two are the most likely to generate that discussion.

I'll respond to this later. Meantime, prods on lurkers are probably a good idea.

BM

I await with eager anticipation.

[Yamahako]

Yama, what info exactly will it give the town if BM is lynched?

Also, how is BM claiming that BB notes =/= power role scummy?

BM has had a lot of people comment on his play for good or ill. Depending on how he comes up (town or scum) it will be possible to find patterns in play that will illuminate tells for the mafia.

He claimed vanilla before he claimed BB notes. That in itself is scummy. The fact that he has an adult name is a non-tell I supposed, but it makes me suspicious none-the-less.

[Yamahako]

Yama, what info exactly will it give the town if BM is lynched?

Also, how is BM claiming that BB notes =/= power role scummy?

He claimed vanilla before he claimed BB notes. That in itself is scummy.

Lol so are you saying that i DON'T have BB notes? Because i think giving me a chance to prove that would be a good idea.
In the case that i didnt have BB notes, what would be my incentive for claiming them, in the knowledge that they were (as far as we knew at the time) neither inherently scummy nor protown?
Otherwise, i dont really see what you're getting at here. Yama you are very good at making points, but seem to fall short when it comes to actually backing them up!

I'm not saying you don't have BB notes. I'm saying that claiming vanilla - then claiming to have an ability is scummy. It's a lie at worst, a backtrack at best. It's basically a scum move. I guess I don't back up my points well in your opinion because the things I say just seem obvious enough (to me) for a 10 year old to pick up intuitively. Maybe that's the wrong approach - I'll try to be more blunt:

You said one thing, then you said something that was in direct contradiction to it. That's scummy. Your defense to that contradiction was invalid and unconvincing to me, which was additionally scummy. The fact that you do or don't have BB notes is irrelevant to this argument.

The fact that he has an adult name is a non-tell I supposed, but it makes me suspicious none-the-less.

Here is something i thought i should emphasise, as it highlights my view of you nicely. You see something which when you think about it, you know isnt a scumtell, yet you are tunnel-visioned to the extent that you MAKE IT INTO A SCUMTELL. I suppose its pretty much what i did with Skruffs (and vice versa), so i cant criticise you for it. Just be objective when you analyse things k?

BM

Pointing out that you're doing it > refusing to acknowledge it (as you were doing before). But that one minor point doesn't invalidate my others. And it may be relevant regardless. The blunt version:

I'm pointing out a potential flaw in my case because I recognize it as a potential flaw. It may turn out to be a valid point, which is why I mention it. I mention the fact it is a flaw because I don't want people using that reasoning as a way to invalidate my case.

[Yamahako]

We've got a deadline here in <48 hours. As it stands, I plan on hitting Tar before the deadline is up. Barring any further discussion about keeping him alive. I think we need to crack this thing about the mason/cops open. BM isn't a bad lead, but I think Tar is better.

[Yamahako]

another day with no lynch? /sigh

Throw 100 peas, 2 Saltines, and 1 Cup of Hot Coffee on Tar

If all of the scum are lurking and townies are killing each other I'm gonna be upset

[Yamahako]

rofl. i guess we ARE dealing with lurker-scum
Surprising about Tar, but i think it clears up alot of unanswered questions. Korlash and Yama are almost certainly town.

Good night too. It looks like we were dealing with an SK as the culprit of the 'bash in the head' kills. Seems that he was killed by the soup scum, whilst he managed to kill an Admin goon aswell.

At this point, i think its wise to suspect we only have 1 scum left - a soup godfather. Its possible that we have an additional goon for each side, but i'd rather not consider this a possibility atm lol!

Anyway, i'm going to get round to a reread of the more quiet players at some point soon.

BM

I agree with almost all of this.

We have 2 soup scum left most likely. One of whom may be a godfather. With Tar's investigations less questionable I'd like to hear from the last surviving mason. I also think we should have a mass claim at this point - we aren't out of the woods yet.

[Yamahako]

Korlash: what am I suggesting? Maybe that the time has past for hiding results? Your results, Kudasai.

That said -- I'm happy to roll a bunch of dice to determine full claim order. Re Korlash's results, I think the town would benefit most from those being part of his claim, rather than first -or- last, given whenever the dice say he claims, no?

I support this format. I'd rather BM do the rolling though.

[Yamahako]

I claimed a while ago... <.< Ok someone claimed for me and ruined the fun... But still...

Mochiron desu -- but you'd been holding back your results. I remember your claiming them, though; fair enough.

And several other people are mostly claimed -- but one of the balancing factors of this game is that "claimed" doesn't mean you're fully claimed unless you say it does.

I'd rather have dice be generated on the site -- which are more or less unfakable. Ie (doesn't count for anything):

Original Roll String: 2d6 (STATIC)

2 6-Sided Dice: (4, 3) = 7

Just generate d7, d6, d5, etc, ignoring picks of already claimed people (and reducing the pool each time someone's taken out). Dunno why people don't want me doing this, but I'll happily let someone else generate 6 random numbers.

This is fine to me - I didn't know you could do that really.

[Yamahako]

I claimed before - but here it is again

I am Karina A. Carpenteria, an anorexic. I am with the students.

My lunchbox contains 100 peas, 2 saltines, and a cup of hot coffe.

[Yamahako]

are saltines and peanuts something an anorexic would be expected to eat?

BM

I don't have peanuts - I have peas - like green peas

[Yamahako]

Should have read, "

C'est idiot

to imagine why it was included in the main part of my role PM if I did not always have it."

And yes, if I told you that in the past two weeks I have lost my job, nearly broken up with my fiance, and discovered I can no longer afford the rent for where I am living and am currently scrambling to find a new apartment before my finances run dry, you would consider it an appeal to emotion. And apparently, wanting a little bit of privacy and not posting details of my personal life online are considered "holding out".

Please, don't set up questions where no matter what I answer you can reply, "That's scummy". It doesn't get us anywhere.

In no way am I saying this to be mean to you. And in no way is this related to this game's health.

Screw this game and take the time you need to get your life in order. This is of such a small, infinitesimal importance that coming back on this site to post in a game should be one of the last things in your mind to remember to do. You should never have to make excuses like you just did for not participating in a game. You should just dump this game, and site likely, for the time being and do everything you can and spend every moment you can getting things back on track.

My advice is probably worth the price you just paid me for it - but I needed to say it. Apologies for interrupting the game.

[Yamahako]

they cant ALL be safeclaims, otherwise they arent especially safe. lol
but it is fair to say that some could be.

i dont understand why DGB would only warn SOME posts. :$

Even when this was pointed out, she hasnt fixed them. If Hermit isnt scum, i'm calling Bastard Mod.

BM

I agree with the scum assessment. Let's not be hasty though -and finish the mass claim - just in case.

[Yamahako]

I could have sworn I'd seen a post warning someone with a post restriction this game - but I just went back and couldn't find it. Am I crazy?

[Yamahako]

What about my role name made me second guess? It was the "an anorexic" part. It's listed right next to my role name. I didn't think anything of it when I first read my pm because there wasn't any rules related reasoning behind it.

Tar claimed anorexic, and I think I said I was dubious of the claim, but then again we ended up with two "fat kids" to take that however you like.

And about faking my food? I've been trying really hard to see if it did anything the whole game. Last round it did a lot. If you want I'll prove it on you... however how monumentally stupid of me would it be to claim food that would implicate me in a "soup scum" mafia - unless you're claiming that I'm admin scum. Because by saying my food is both soup like AND I'm lying about it, then I'd have to be Admin Scum wouldn't I?

My suspicion of Tar was directly tied to the belief among the 3 member mason/cop group that one of them was mafia. Tar was the most scummy. What does his death tell me? That his investigations were likely genuine. There's no mention of sanity in his role at death, however, so I can't make 100% claims to the veracity of his investigations. But it told us SOMETHING. ABR was just incredibly scummy- and pointing it out isn't.

Actually, a lot of your case against me is just restating what I've had to say with the implication that it is scummy. Taken out of context of the conversation - and especially not quoting it so the exact text can be seen in conjunction with your rebuttal (?) doesn't really do much to support your supposed case.

But you claim I'm the soup scum mafia godfather. Bravo in the most contradictory evidence to use in order to come up with a conclusion ever.

[Yamahako]

Well if Your keeping up with my thinking.. I would "vote" for yama at this point...

That WIFOM thing you just said made me think for a bit... I don't see how you "have" to be Admin scum... As for claiming food that implicates you... duh... if your lying about your claim you will have to tell some form of truth to support it. So by using the real food you have scoped down you hoped to be able to prove you really wee who you claimed to be. I would be willing to bet you have some kind of... can/bag of peas, a box/pack of crackers... and I could see Coffee.. I mean Godfathers need to drink it right?

Well thats my position...

I'm NOT admin scum (I'm not soup scum either). I'm a student. However, he's claiming that I'm lying about the food I have. In order to lie about the food I have, I couldn't possibly be soup scum. What kind of idiot would claim foods associated with soup if they knew they were in a mafia with such a flavor? If I were soup scum, I'd have claimed some other kind of food and been careful to not have only my food happen between vote counts (so that it was hidden). I've been extremely careful to do the opposite in order to prove my food. Look at yesterday for more proof. THe only way I'd LIE about having peas and saltines is if I were part of the Admin mafia, having had no knowledge of a soup scum group. However, the case against me assumes that Tar's investigations are accurate, and additionally assumes I am a godfather. While I don't necessarily believe that the balance would have 5 sane cops in this game (which makes me suspicious of Korlash), there's a problem with me being a Godfather. There's already a dead Admin scum Godfather.

The case is full of holes. It more looks like a desparate attack of a mafia member who's been found out. The rest of the case is additionally weak when you actually look at the points he's been making. The things he's implying are scum tells are actually non-tells that anyone could be making.

[Yamahako]

Also, here are the only two instances I found of PR failure warnings:

viewtopic.php?p=857483#857483
viewtopic.php?p=857725#857725

Note that both are directed at Yosip (Now TheHermit). I think this pretty much proves that TheHermit at least has a real PR.

Thanks for finding those Gorgon. I reread all of DGB's Posts and couldn't find them.

[Yamahako]

While I don't necessarily believe that the balance would have 5 sane cops in this game (which makes me suspicious of Korlash), there's a problem with me being a Godfather.

Suspicious? I thought it was already established the mason cops were untrustworthy in the sanity department. Whats with the casting doubt on me all of a sudden? hmmmm? Is it... i don't know... cause I'm pushing this? hmm? Talk scum! Talk!!!!!!

This case to too contrived. You say you're innocent, and that's fine - then we can't (in my opinion) trust the investigations. However you seemed sure that me and Battle Mage were clear earlier today since there were multiple investigations that came up innocent on us. That's a contradiction.

Gorgon seems to think I'm lying about my food - but seems to believe that the investigations on me are correct - but I'm the god father. Well I can only be the godfather of the soup-scum mafia - but then why would I be lying about my food while still maintaining them as soup ingrediants if I knew what mafia I was in?

I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned this already - as I assumed I would be quick lynched when I read it myself - but the night kill was from Pea Soup. I don't know if the soup scum get to decide things like that - but I'm pretty sure it was engineered to implicate me.

I'm not casting doubt on you specifically Korlash - I just am not convinced we can trust you AND your investigations. It makes me suspicious that all the innocents actually came back innocent so far - so there's no precedence for thinking we should ignore the results - and in my case there's a good reason for me to stand behind - but I

haven't

because I don't trust them. As a townie I'm not looking out for my interests I'm looking out for the group.

[Yamahako]

The case is full of holes. It more looks like a desparate attack of a mafia member who's been found out.

Wait, you're accusing Korlash of being scum? 0.o

FoS: Yama

Battle Mage, please don't do your typical thing and read more carefully, that was not directed at Korlash.

Korlash, I can see how those phrases could be considered contradictory, except that you took it out of context.

"I don't necessarily believe that the balance would have 5 sane cops in this game (which makes me suspicious of Korlash), "

and

"I'm not casting doubt on you specifically Korlash - I just am not convinced we can trust you AND your investigations."

are not direct contradictions, in fact I think they quite clearly explain my point.

And besides, where were you "pushing" this line of reasoning? I brought up my point before you went and attacked me. Though you are insinuating that I'm OMGUS'ing with my statement. However its you that seems on the defense about my statements.

"Suspicious? I thought it was already established the mason cops were untrustworthy in the sanity department. Whats with the casting doubt on me all of a sudden? hmmmm? Is it... i don't know... cause I'm pushing this? hmm? Talk scum! Talk!!!!!!"

Especially after saying I was pretty much cleared earlier today... do you not trust your own investigations? If so why say that I and BM shouldn't be lynched? If you don't trust your own investigations why would it be weird that *I* would be suspicious of them?

[Yamahako]

Has Everyone Claimed?

Korlash - I want to know what your food is. I've been trying to a while - but I can't think of a single townie reason to keep it a secret.

[Yamahako]

What kind of kid brings a microwaveable diet lunch to school :-/ What kids have ACCESS to a microwave...

Both you and your predacessor have thrown that item Korlash. Perhaps that's the reason you don't want to advertise your food?

[Yamahako]

Holy and Korlash are no. 1 and 2 on my list. Please remember this tomorrow (if there is a tomorrow).

Holy's claim is the most suspect. I can't find a way that her "title" could be associated with a role in this game. The only other Vanilla we've had - had Vanilla in their title (first townie killed). Since my "ability" seems to be taking extra damage from food - I'd assume that she's faking her title to try and fit in, but from a design standpoint, I can't come up with a logical correlation between "Sweetheart Kid" and any actual role or school position. It also doesn't have any correlation with her food.

Nope, I never went to a high school with microwaves - but its been ten years since I've been in a high school - so I'll accept that they might be in there now. That's why I'm not going for Korlash.

Hopefully there's only 5 total scum and we just need the last one - so there's some room for error. Korlash, if you are indeed town please investigate Holy tonight.

Fling 100 peas at Holy

Ninja Star 2 Saltines into Holy's throat

Pour Cup of Hot Coffee down Holy's pants

[Yamahako]

I'd like to see if that does anything before throwing any of my food.

BM

I definitely don't want to rush you - but deadline is tomorrow.

[Yamahako]

Make sure, town, that you don't let me die in vain.