Hunger Games II [GAME OVER]

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Hey hey remember we are quick lynching blawb first! VOTE: blawb

This is RVs and he made a controversial move. Is that not the point of rvs? To find players making weird moves and question them for it?

VOTE: Hermie

He feels very overexplainy.

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Hey hey remember we are quick lynching blawb first! VOTE: blawb

This is RVs and he made a controversial move. Is that not the point of rvs? To find players making weird moves and question them for it?

VOTE: Hermie

He feels very overexplainy.

wait what?

how exactly are these post over explainy?

UNVOTE:

Post 8 is repeating what people were saying pregame, as if he feels the need to remind us in order to avoid backlash.

41, he's surprised that he got backlash for an rvs vote and whining about it because he's afraid he's caught scum. As newbscum, it adds up just fine.

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Do you honestly think that me as a newer player would stick his neck out on the first day of day1?

This supports my case, because Hermie was doing his best NOT to stick his neck out and he came under the gun anyway.

Note, he's squirming.

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So only 4 pages.

Slackers

Hermie reads like foot in mouth newb to me.
Hi ckd, your comment made me smile, I think your wrong.
Half of me hopes you are town, the other hopes your scum and you'll shot me.
Personally I find your actions null.
Dunnstrall: why the vote on Hermie?
I like blarb post 77 on creeps.
Scum reading twistedted post 78. That's pretty reachy shit.
Creeps/blawb interaction is confusing. I feel like I stepped in the middle of a conversation and I'm missing things.

Vote: twistedted

Spell my name right or shorten it to Ted.

[TwiszTed]

Just for the fun of it? Cause I really would like an answer back from 1 shot. He appears rather uncooperative tho.


Could be curious is chainsawing me to take any small amount of pressure off him. Or white knighting him for some town cred. Or just reaction testing me. Anything is possible.

But I like my vote on 1 shot rn.

could be.

because I as scum, I like sticking my neck out for my scum partners this early in the game. I mean it doesnt matter that I have been playing this game for years. I like to throw all fucking good experience out the window and just try getting the 1 vote "pressure" off my partner who appears to be new. thats how I play this game as scum.

makes sense.

LOL.


want to try something else?


let me help you.


"CKD is probably scum because he KNOWS 1 shot is town. he is just banking that a stupid ass wagon develops on him and 1 shot flips town, making him appear town for protecting town"


that would be a better angle.


either way, I dont think you believe that I am chainsawing shit.

I dont. I think you are doing a reaction test on whomever you think it would be good to do a reaction test on. If I thought you were scum I'd vote you.


And I know this will get called buddying but idgaf cause it's the truth.

I think if you are scum twist is scum. Too obviously a bus

Sweet, help me bus my buddy first though.

1:1 trade is pro-town.

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Twist is pulling a move I do alot. I like someone's wagon but I don't want to appear to sheep so I go thru and find some little thing to grab on to and call that my reason for voting them. The problem is that it's NAI.

The problem with your theory is that it's wrong.

I voted you ignorant of the fact you had a wagon building. I was posting as I caught up.

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Hermie why so much AtE this early? You barely have any votes on you.

Classic newbscum squirming.

Duh.

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The thing is we can do something about it. We can quick hammer you.



@sickofit I'm done defending. If you guys wanna lynch me go for it. I will attempt to give some advice before i die.

oh my gosh this ^
if someone can tell me why this isnt scum ill literally bring you food.

Post 91 isn't scummy.

If you need me to explain why, my explanation will be accompanied with a vote.

[TwiszTed]

VOTE: TwiszTed

Thank you for spelling my name right.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7878590
link where i voted no lynch D1 as scum my first game

why is hermie scum, think I missed your case.

If Hermie is scum, I'm bussing. It's the only reason my case is vote-worthy.

So lynch him toDay and me toMorrow when he flips red.

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VOTE: TwiszTed

Thank you for spelling my name right.

Jester perhaps?

I think a vig shot is better suited

Brother please, I'd be town as fuck right now if I was Jester.

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VOTE: TwiszTed

Thank you for spelling my name right.

Jester perhaps?

I think a vig shot is better suited

Brother please, I'd be town as fuck right now if I was Jester.

So you're town then.

But if your town play is like that then it is equal to scum play so I think a vig shot is still well justified

So long as you get my alignment right first, idgaf if I'm vigged for the good of town.

I just don't want to be derp-vigged on stupid grounds.

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And lastly I got a green role pm.

Town is blue

VOTE: Dunnstral

[TwiszTed]

VOTE: TwiszTed

Thank you for spelling my name right.

I copied and pasted

thoughts on my vote though?

2 of them.

1) it's on town.
2) idgaf

[TwiszTed]

I think twist is either scum or jester. I still think a vig shot is a great idea and make sure we don't lose D1.

Call me a VI all you want, but drop the dumb shit.

[TwiszTed]

lol this scumslip

Where?

Dunnstral doesn't know the color of a town role pm.

Ergo, he's scum.

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lol this scumslip

Where?

Dunnstral doesn't know the color of a town role pm.

Ergo, he's scum.

Oh forgot about that.

VOTE: Dunnastreil

Lol.

VOTE: Creeps20

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A soft on page six...

[TwiszTed]

A soft on page six...

Nope. You won't know this role at all

That's irrelevant. You just painted a big ass target on your head, you clown.

UNVOTE:

[TwiszTed]

My role pm is blue and I'm town

Oh dear God, what have we done...

[TwiszTed]

Creeps loves to claim.......


Twiszted I read you as bad Hester play like it or not. And bad jester play is what scum likes to try right?

VOTE: TwizTed

I'm proud of my jester play, so enjoy wallowing in your ignorance.

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Jester is a very uncommon role

Not all that uncommon in large themes.

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What role do you guys think I claimed? Seriously I don't know


Can someone answer this?

Just shush and drop it.

The role PM's are themed like the tribute colors. That's obvious now.

[TwiszTed]

Here's a nugget for folks...

I'm anti-Queue. I win when they're all dead.

[TwiszTed]

Jester is a very uncommon role

Not all that uncommon in large themes.

So why'd you vote me when I said town was blue?

Keep reading...

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So was your vote a reaction test?

No, I just didn't realize at first that the role PM's were likely as themed the game.

I voted you because your role pm was a different color than mine.

[TwiszTed]

Some investigative role is what you were going for

Oh.

So essentially I accidentally fake soft-claimed

Yeah, kinda. But it's not something that means much in retrospect.

Shame on you for claiming vanilla, though.

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Plus..having a fucked up spelling of a username, then getting repeatedly pissy when people fuck it up? Thats gonna get old quick.

Call me Ted, easy fix.

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Why are you arguing with someone who agrees with your scum read?

Because all reads are not created equal, even when they coincide with mine.

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VOTE: Blawb

Seriously though, let's do this.

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Oh snap, so vanilla townies ARE all green???

[TwiszTed]

Have you explained this? I can't recall anything Blawb related from you.

-Bulba

I explained it pregame, agreeing with camn.

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lol this scumslip

Where?

Dunnstral doesn't know the color of a town role pm.

Ergo, he's scum.

Oh forgot about that.

VOTE: Dunnastreil

Lol.

VOTE: Creeps20

My role PM has a few different colors. Including both green and red.

Yeah it is a tad complicated

Scumclaim is scumclaim.

VOTE: Creeps20

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lol this scumslip

Where?

Dunnstral doesn't know the color of a town role pm.

Ergo, he's scum.

Oh forgot about that.

VOTE: Dunnastreil

Lol.

VOTE: Creeps20

My role PM has a few different colors. Including both green and red.

Yeah it is a tad complicated

Scumclaim is scumclaim.

VOTE: Creeps20

The reason I say that is because he denied being a PR.

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A soft on page six...

Nope. You won't know this role at all

That's irrelevant. You just painted a big ass target on your head, you clown.

What role do you guys think I claimed? Seriously I don't know

UNVOTE:

My role isn't even a PR!

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Hi camn!

Can you give me your thoughts on ckd.
I think I feel too paranoid to read him well.

Cam's radar is fucked right now. I would wait for her head to get screwed on straight before relying on her reads.

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I think camn is a scumbutt this game.

She completely spaced me posting my anti-Queue agenda before the town win con was made public, and I can't see her doing that as town.

I has a sad.

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Oh snap, so vanilla townies ARE all green???

So do you believe Dunn?
Since you're voting else where for basically the same reason.

2 things.

1) I've only got one vote.
2) Creep is more likely to have slipped in his ignorance than a veteran.

Actually three.

3) Blue is used elsewhere to describe town the way green is here, hence my hesitation to jump on Dunn first. Creeps having both scum and town colors in his role pm but denying being a PR doesn't add up in the slightest.

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I don't think now's the time for non-serious votes.

I'd seriously be okay with that hydra reading rope.

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I don't think now's the time for non-serious votes.

I'd seriously be okay with that hydra eating rope.

EBWOP

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Why would it make you sad to have a scum read?

Because you're deadly to scum when you're town.

However, I don't see you being nk tonight and I already know the reason.

[TwiszTed]

And superficially scummy is scummy! Especially now!

Damn. You ARE scum.

This is depressing.

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P-edit: Okay, I really need some explanation on the Blawb thing.

I'm not a fan of nonmembers in games. It's not like it's especially hard to join... unless there's a compelling reason behind their anonymity.

If there is, I don't trust that player as a person, regardless of my read on them.

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kill this

I'd lynch you before Hermie. He's being wagoned for the same reason I am, but the easy answer is often the wrong one.

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Again Ted.. why would that be depressing?
You trying to dangle your disappointment as some sort of carrot for me is suspect as fuck.

I love it when I find scum. If I had a real HARD scumread on page 10, I would be thrilled... Not 'depressed' or 'has a dad's, like you claim.
Except the truth is- you don't. Any of it. You don't have a scumread, cuz it's fake. You aren't sad, cuz it's fake. So give up! Tell us who your partners are.

I'm dangling nothing for you. I'm talking to town when I say those things.

The only reason my vote isn't already on you is because dat scumslip to. Once Creeps is dealt with, we'll dance.

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@Ted: I strongly disagree with the idea of pursuing a policy lynch at this stage.

-Bulba

My vote is not a policy lynch, I think Creeps is scum.

What da dilly, yo?

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FTR, I'd get behind a creeps lynch though.

If you want it on the record, make it official with a vote.

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Ted. you didn't answer as to why said quoted post wasn't scummy.
Please do explain your thoughts.

Anger can be either town or scum.
Fear can either be town or scum.
Frustration, in most cases, comes from town.

Scum can be frustrated during an argument but that's not the same kind of general frustration that Hermie was oozing all over the place.

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Scumreads:

Creeps - slip
camn - too dumb for town!camn
Sickofit - pushing the easy wagon

[TwiszTed]

Ok. But would town post that content?

That's not the question that needs asked our answered.

The relevant question is, does scum stand to gain anything from that content?

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I was already suspicious of Creep but after reading the last few pages and seeing his response about his PM having red and green, i am 90% sure he is easily scummy. I mean, come on, 148 and 153.

VOTE: Creep

Plus he has no avatar.

That's a point against him, too.

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Jin you are weirding me out.

But not enough for me to be bothered about your vote.

Carry on.

[TwiszTed]

I'm getting drunk now until this election is over. The real one. Not the game.

FTR, I'd get behind a creeps lynch though.

If you want it on the record, make it official with a vote.

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@Ted: I strongly disagree with the idea of pursuing a policy lynch at this stage.

-Bulba

My vote is not a policy lynch, I think Creeps is scum.

What da dilly, yo?

I'm talking about Blawb.

-Bulba

I'm not voting Blawb. Why are you trying to dredge that back up?

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VOTE: Blawb

Seriously though, let's do this.

lol this scumslip

Where?

Dunnstral doesn't know the color of a town role pm.

Ergo, he's scum.

Oh forgot about that.

VOTE: Dunnastreil

Lol.

VOTE: Creeps20

My role PM has a few different colors. Including both green and red.

Yeah it is a tad complicated

Scumclaim is scumclaim.

VOTE: Creeps20

My Blawb vote lasted six posts.

If anything, I'd have expected you to miss the Blawb vote over the Creeps vote.

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L-1

No.

L-3

[TwiszTed]

Sigh. The oldest gambit in the book, foiled by a newb once again.

I don't care about a transparent gambit.

I want votes on Creeps.

I want a

real

L-1.

[TwiszTed]

Taking Creep out of the picture, do you think Dunn is lying?

I don't think he's being entirely forthcoming.

But I can also see why it'd be anti-town for him to do so.

[TwiszTed]

And can you explain further where blue is used else where to describe town?

Other sites with different meta.

TeamLiquid, for example.

[TwiszTed]

Are we actually doing this? I mean I'd sure sheep that. He was being rather pissy earlier and his role sounded quite strange.

Just say baaaaaa and vote.

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We need an explanation from Creeps, he's made a mistake either way and I want to know how exactly.

A vote will help that happen.

Gimme my L-1. Please.

[TwiszTed]

Why are you pushing?

Playing towards my wincon.

Why aren't you?

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And you are trying to tell us that the scum wouldn't know the name of their own faction?

Why would scum give out the name of their faction when it's not public knowledge, camn?

What does scum gain from outing that information and limiting their ability to fakeclaim?

Explain this.

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Why are you pushing?

Playing towards my wincon.

Why aren't you?

Why aren't I what?

Pushing, of course.

I can't know whether you're playing towards your wincon or not.

[TwiszTed]

I should really start paying more attention to setup information. I was toying with the idea of multiball.

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Why would scum give out the name of their faction when it's not public knowledge, camn?

Queue Agents

[TwiszTed]

What am I supposed to do with that

Ketchup.

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You already did, but I wasn't gonna throw away the pic after going to the trouble of finding it, lol.

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<snip>

-Bulba

What's your read of SickOfIt?

[TwiszTed]

Bulba, be a dawg and join the Creeps wagon for great justice.

[TwiszTed]

Well, the town reads I was starting to get have collapsed in on themselves.

Please clarify.

[TwiszTed]

You keep dodging my questions and being overly aggressive, and it's making me doubt my townread on you.

-Bulba

Time out, what questions?

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Oh, you were bent over my PH vote.

Get over it. That's just my go to position if I don't have a scumread I want to push.

I'm not much of a follower. If I'm not pushing something I believe in, I'll push something else I believe in.

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I think Sickofit also wants a response from you.

-Bulba

Check again, I responded to his question.

[TwiszTed]

I'm recent now, silly.

Because the Ted wagon is horrible. I was assuming you weren't recent because you were sheeping farside. But since you are, I really want to know how you can seriously think Ted is scum. That was genuine confusion.

Have you explained this? I can't recall anything Blawb related from you.

-Bulba

I explained it pregame, agreeing with camn.

I don't think now's the time for non-serious votes.

See, bulbs? Scummier by the post.

Maybe superficially. But I'm having problems seeing scum motivation coming from that slot.

I'm also shocked at how low that Hermie wagon is.

Unvote
Vote Hermie

-Bulba

You unvoted creeps here and jumped on Hermie, a wagon that's not going anywhere.

Why do you insist on remaining on a dead wagon instead of being productive on one of your scumreads?

[TwiszTed]

Also, why were you defending me with the reasoning that my acuminata was superficial... but pushing Hermie, whose scumminess is even more superficial than my own?

[TwiszTed]

Also, why were you defending me with the reasoning that my scumminess was superficial... but pushing Hermie, whose scumminess is even more superficial than my own?

Lol, EBWOP

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I'm not seeing Hermie as being superficially scummy. This isn't based on a knee jerk response. There's something artificial with the way he's approaching this game, and that's coming through some of his posts.

He's a newb, paranoid of eating the d1 lynch.

His behavior looks pretty natural for that.

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That's not what I'm seeing.

-Bulba

Show me.

Let me see through your eyes, because I'm sick of SickOfIt's hamfisted fumbling.

[TwiszTed]

Why do I feel like I should know who ckd is?

[TwiszTed]

So, apparently there are two messengers.

Just got a message saying that, and something else that was meant for me alone.

[TwiszTed]

If those messengers can find each other, and if both happen to be town... that'd be an interesting quasi-masonry.

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I got the same message

Was the other part of your message regarding a number?

[TwiszTed]

I think we got the same message overall.

[TwiszTed]

That was my roundabout way of saying that I think you're putting information into the thread which is useful for scum and not that useful for town at the moment.

I think the bit useful to scum but not town was hedged.

Town needs to know there's more than one messenger.

[TwiszTed]

Is there any conclusion to be drawn from this? How do you feel that you got the same messages? Does it give you any information?

The fact there's more than one messenger is useful information to have.

If multiple people are getting messages, we know not to assume they're all from the same person (unless, perhaps, they're identical of course).

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I'm a bit surprised that Dunn would have had that conversation with you.

Ditto, I wasn't fishing for confirmation. I just wanted it to be known there were two messengers according to my message.

About the rest, I agree... which is why I hedged the other but.

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I'm not stopping him.

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Doesn't matter if it reduces likelihood of me being messenger as I suspect I'll be nightkilled anyways

I actually kind of doubt you will be NK'ed n1 because you're too obvious a target, which means there's a good chance you'll be protected.

Don't be so nihilistic.

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Ted, what do you think of the wpeed of the creeps wagon, right after the hermie wagon got some steam?

A fair amount of that was my handiwork, so I'm pretty okay with it.

[TwiszTed]

Ted moves up to town

What? Why?

[TwiszTed]

VOTE: SickOfIt1138

Between his shit push on Hermie and his latest crap, he comes across as bad scum.

[TwiszTed]

tell me what you want from me and ill be happy to give it.

I want scum hunting from you.

I want thought before action from you.

I want productive behavior from you.

[TwiszTed]

tell me what you want from me and ill be happy to give it.

I want scum hunting from you.

lol, you think i'm not scumhunting?
you will hear my reads when i'm ready to bring them to light.

No. I really don't. Hermie is the definition of low-hanging fruit and you are hanging on to him with both fists.

[TwiszTed]

I want thought before action from you.

you think no thought before action comes from scum?

I think you're feigning ignorance, and I don't give a rat's ass who you got your eye on because it's blind as hell.

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btw, i havnt seen post 91 come from town. ever. Sometimes the low hanging fruit is the most ripe.

This kind of dumbassery is why I scumread you.

Town threaten to quicklynch all the time.

Town give up defending themselves all the time.

You have yet to point out one single bit of scum motivation from Hermie. You are just bashing on him for being socially awkward, and people like that deserve what they dish out in return

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I want thought before action from you.

you think no thought before action comes from scum?

I think you're feigning ignorance, and I don't give a rat's ass who you got your eye on because it's blind as hell.

I think you contradicted yourself. you said you want me to put thought into my posts but not your implying that i am and just faking it. Make up your mind please.

No, I was responding to your pretentious IGMEOY smiley.

See? You're blind as shit.

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@ creep

s

^ this was the post i was referring to.

The difference is that I said you didn't look great for town. Not that you were scum jut not very townie.

See this semantics argument?

That's the kind of shit that has my murder bone twitching.

Stop it.

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@ creep

s

^ this was the post i was referring to.

The difference is that I said you didn't look great for town. Not that you were scum jut not very townie.

See this semantics argument?

That's the kind of shit that has my murder bone twitching.

Stop it.

I am still waiting for a reads list

Try holding your breath.

I gave my scumreads already. That's what you get until I decide otherwise.

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Scumreads:

Creeps - slip

camn - too dumb for town!camn
Sickofit - pushing the easy wagon

[TwiszTed]

twiszted, im not the only one pushing the Hermie wagon. Time to step out of your tunnel.

I'm well aware of it, and I'm interacting with Bulba on his push.

Time for you to get glasses.

[TwiszTed]

That's not what I'm seeing.

-Bulba

Show me.

Let me see through your eyes, because I'm sick of SickOfIt's hamfisted fumbling.

[TwiszTed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=28313


Thought it might be of general interest. The hydras 3 heads are noguy5, TheRealGin(name on ms is TheRealGin_and_Tonic or something close), and brandonpj21(no ms acct). All of these players orginate from the supercell forums.

And how do you know all this?

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I needed another person's view on the towniest person here. And I got it. Thanks.

There is obvious scum motivation in looking for the towniest person, but I can't think of one single town motivated agenda for it.

Enlighten me.

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I have flipped to town wading tedz.

First farside, and now you?

Why do YOU townread me?

Geez, a guy can't even maintain a stable of ho's around here.

[TwiszTed]

Don't ever call me that again.

Sorry for treading on your sensitivities.

Why do YOU townread me?

[TwiszTed]

I needed another person's view on the towniest person here. And I got it. Thanks.

There is obvious scum motivation in looking for the towniest person, but I can't think of one single town motivated agenda for it.

Enlighten me.

This is actually quite interesting given your earlier defense of Hermie.

Tell me, once you have an opinion, do you marry it?

[TwiszTed]

Thanks to my latest and greatest messenger gift, I have reason to once again

VOTE: Creeps

Our other mystery person has green and blue in their role pm, but no red. I'm inclined to believe we have one of each and creeps is the scum messenger.

[TwiszTed]

See, this is the problem I have with you.
You just aren't giving a standing answer. Scum normally like to give a half hearted answer to keep their options open.

I don't care that you don't like me yammering about power roles.

[TwiszTed]

See, this is the problem I have with you.
You just aren't giving a standing answer. Scum normally like to give a half hearted answer to keep their options open.

I don't care that you don't like me not yammering about power roles.

EBWOP

[TwiszTed]

I needed another person's view on the towniest person here. And I got it. Thanks.

There is obvious scum motivation in looking for the towniest person, but I can't think of one single town motivated agenda for it.

Enlighten me.

This is actually quite interesting given your earlier defense of Hermie.

Tell me, once you have an opinion, do you marry it?

Yeah that's not gonna save you.

I'll be over here pretending I give a shit about this garbage push on me if you need something.

If the lynch does go through, whoever is pushing it has a lot to answer for when I flip.

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UNVOTE: ckd
VOTE: Creeps

My partner is making an analysis of ckd's posts because he thinks cld is scum, but I'm still thinking creeps.

Anyways.
Creeps is undoubtably sending messages. However, I believe he is the only one sending any messages.
I mean, who do we know to be sending messages? Creeps? It would not surprise me if creeps sent the message saying there was two to fake himself a partner that must be "killed". Think what he could have done if he had us convinced. Say he found out who his partner was and make us kill them! It'd be a one-time thing, for sure, unless he could convince us his information was faulty.

We have receieved two messages. A 341 with "there are two" and one flat out saying he was creeps. I don't see where he's pulling this "partner" from but I'm calling bullshit on it.

-N

So you're saying creeps cc'ed himself.

Brilliant analysis, Sherlock.

[TwiszTed]

Only guilty people have to answer for something.

Precisely.

[TwiszTed]

UNVOTE: ckd
VOTE: Creeps

My partner is making an analysis of ckd's posts because he thinks cld is scum, but I'm still thinking creeps.

Anyways.
Creeps is undoubtably sending messages. However, I believe he is the only one sending any messages.
I mean, who do we know to be sending messages? Creeps? It would not surprise me if creeps sent the message saying there was two to fake himself a partner that must be "killed". Think what he could have done if he had us convinced. Say he found out who his partner was and make us kill them! It'd be a one-time thing, for sure, unless he could convince us his information was faulty.

We have receieved two messages. A 341 with "there are two" and one flat out saying he was creeps. I don't see where he's pulling this "partner" from but I'm calling bullshit on it.

-N

So you're saying creeps cc'ed himself.

Brilliant analysis, Sherlock.

Okay, you're the second person to have said this. Where did I say he counterclaimed himself?

The second manipulator contradicted Creeps.

Ergo, they are likely both not of the same alignment.

Ergo, counterclaimed.

According to your theory, creeps is both manipulators.

Ergo, he cc'ed himself.

[TwiszTed]

VOTE: camn

Town camn would have destroyed the suspicions on Creeps a while back because she's boss like that.

This camn isn't even trying.

[TwiszTed]

Why are more people not calling shenanigans on camn's utter uselessness?

[TwiszTed]

Because I already stated that the other manipulater is likely mafia. And will reveal his identity to his mafia friends

That would be stupid because it would unnecessarily expose them by pushing them or into the limelight.

The other messenger could lie about their identity... Unless they confirmed in thread after the message by posting something from their account that matches up to the private message.

[TwiszTed]

The other messenger could lie about their identity... Unless they confirmed in thread after the message by posting something from their account that matches up to the private message.

OKAY..jesus guys such push back, I must be going down the right path.

so, the other guy reveals their identity and they provides a word.

after both people confirm they got the message.

the manipulator makes a post using the word.

I wasn't pushing back, I was troubleshooting.

[TwiszTed]

If the manipulator already reveals themself in the message, why they need to say the word/phrase?

Confirmation, otherwise the name could be a lie.

[TwiszTed]

If neither flip scum, I'm going to be going after CKD like a rabid pit bull.

Otherwise, I agree with the plan.

[TwiszTed]

If neither flip scum, I'm going to be going after CKD like a rabid pit bull.

Otherwise, I agree with the plan.

OMG...

it seems like both think the other is scum, I can go back an check but one said it was indicated to them to look out for the others.

I'm not scumreading you, but you have to admit that it would be a powerful scum play to use two town PR's against each other to lynch both.

I hope you're on the right track, but you can't ignore the possibility.

[TwiszTed]

Did you vote not even considering this?

Nope.

[TwiszTed]

If this is the case, would scum!camn not opt to try or at least appear to BE trying as to not draw suspicion? Am I mistaken in assuming this?

Why should she bother, if she's not playing with people that are familiar with her?

[TwiszTed]

If neither flip scum, I'm going to be going after CKD like a rabid pit bull.

Otherwise, I agree with the plan.

paraphrasing (dont know if the dont quote the mod rule applies here)

one message - (multiple people can manipulate. dont know the other's alignment,

they are trying to kill the rest of us

)

one message - (from creeps, I think my partner is framing me, also knowledge the other guy can read this)

one message - (from creep, part of his PM

warned him about manipulators

told him he can only hope the other manipulator is on his side)


to me, this sounds like creeps and the other guy (if the there is an other guy) think each other is scum

That's how I seem to remember it.

[TwiszTed]

If neither flip scum, I'm going to be going after CKD like a rabid pit bull.

Otherwise, I agree with the plan.

OMG...

it seems like both think the other is scum, I can go back an check but one said it was indicated to them to look out for the others.

I'm not scumreading you, but you have to admit that it would be a powerful scum play to use two town PR's against each other to lynch both.

I hope you're on the right track, but you can't ignore the possibility.

I am not the one pitting them against each other. THEY (or at least creeps) has indicated the other is scum

It's already been established that Creeps is no master at the game.

I'm not objecting to what's proposed, but at the same time you should be aware of the blowback if you're wrong.

[TwiszTed]

CKD, if you're so certain you're right, why the static about what I'm saying?

[TwiszTed]

If this is the case, would scum!camn not opt to try or at least appear to BE trying as to not draw suspicion? Am I mistaken in assuming this?

Why should she bother, if she's not playing with people that are familiar with her?

You're here. That was the assumption I was under.

Anybody can read meta, but most don't.

Read her town games. She's not Ranger... but she's Rangeresque.

[TwiszTed]

If anyone can link to another town game of camn's where she's been completely passive as she is here, I'll drop my scumread on her.

Until that happens, she needs rope.

[TwiszTed]

If anyone can link to another town game of camn's where she's been completely passive as she is here, I'll drop my scumread on her.

Until that happens, she needs rope.

How is your meta scumread more powerful than your transition on Hermie which is supposedly based on actual play?

I think you need rope.

When camn flips scum, I'm coming for you next.

[TwiszTed]

Actually, why wait?

VOTE: Underachievers

[TwiszTed]

They don't even correlate with HIS supposed mentality. His thought processes are not natural. They appear sporadic and not consistent.

You're white knighting the shit out of camn, but can't point to a single town game of hers where she's been as useless as tits on a boar hog the way she is in this game.

You are the one being disingenuous. If camn IS town, you only know because she isn't on your team.

[TwiszTed]

What was the message about 341 about?

[TwiszTed]

I really want Blawb dead.

[TwiszTed]

What was the message about 341 about?

IT WAS TO BACK MY CLAIM.

Like I said when I claimed.

Anyways I have to type this out as the I am on mobile

"A message has been left...

Sorry whoever else is here.
I didn't trust you, so I took the liberty of activating early.
Please don't identify yourself here... There may be maf reading and they want us all dead

"

So, you backed your claim with a post number that was part of an ability that somebody else activated.

Uhhhhhh. Do I have that right?

[TwiszTed]

UNVOTE: creeps


Twiszted wants alot of people dead right now... Blawb underachievers and camn. Camn is the only one I see any reason to vote atm.

TBF, I've wanted Blawb dead since pregame.

[TwiszTed]

UNVOTE: creeps


Twiszted wants alot of people dead right now... Blawb underachievers and camn. Camn is the only one I see any reason to vote atm.

Why don't you see a reason to vote TwiszTed?

- Zach

Because he isn't scum. Duh.

[TwiszTed]

UNVOTE: creeps


Twiszted wants alot of people dead right now... Blawb underachievers and camn. Camn is the only one I see any reason to vote atm.

Why don't you see a reason to vote TwiszTed?

- Zach

Because he isn't scum. Duh.

But you're voting The Underachievers. They aren't scum.

Why would town wk useless camn instead of pressure her to contribute?

[TwiszTed]

...they're not going to claim wise guy. Just know

If they don't claim, it's because they are scum trying to get town lynched.

So, we don't lynch creeps unless the mystery manipulator outs.

If the hidden manipulator was town, they'd out because 1:1 ratio is pro-town.

Ergo, creeps is town.

[TwiszTed]

I was gonna sheep your camn read TwizTed but one of her posts led me to this.

That doesn't exonerate her. camn is a theorycrafter and talented scum hunter. No way does she post such a passive question and not contribute to the manipulator dilemma town.

If you want to vote Blawb, God bless, but don't think that crap post from camn makes her town.

[TwiszTed]

I was gonna sheep your camn read TwizTed but one of her posts led me to this.

That doesn't exonerate her. camn is a theorycrafter and talented scum hunter. No way does she post such a passive question and not contribute to the manipulator dilemma town.

If you want to vote Blawb, God bless, but don't think that crap post from camn makes her town.

I wasn't exonerating her. I considered this to be more important at this time.

Now I need a place to park a vote and cam needs to be more active. Win/win

VOTE: camn

Just so long as we're clear.


VOTE: Hermie

Why are you appeasing me? I don't react well to appeasement.

[TwiszTed]

I was gonna sheep your camn read TwizTed but one of her posts led me to this.

That doesn't exonerate her. camn is a theorycrafter and talented scum hunter. No way does she post such a passive question and not contribute to the manipulator dilemma town.

If you want to vote Blawb, God bless, but don't think that crap post from camn makes her town.

I wasn't exonerating her. I considered this to be more important at this time.

Now I need a place to park a vote and cam needs to be more active. Win/win

VOTE: camn

Just so long as we're clear.


VOTE: Hermie

Why are you appeasing me? I don't react well to appeasement.

I'm not appeasing you. I need a place to park my vote. Camn needs to be more active. You only happen to be the one who says camn meta would generally require more activity then this. I might add it is somewhat of a scum move to push on an inactive.

You don't even know why she's voteworthy. Happy with my vote.

My push on camn has nothing to do with her activity level.

[TwiszTed]

If you guys lynch me that's your mistake. But I'm not getting bullied into a claim after I've explained how you guys are pushing things that don't make sense.

I'm at l-2 by my count for no good reason

I'm fond of hammers. They're my favorite hand tool.

Just saying.

[TwiszTed]

Sorry Dunn. I must have to do something with my personality or something because I can't convince anyone anything worth shit.

I think you're town though. You just can't read me for shit.

[TwiszTed]

If you guys lynch me that's your mistake. But I'm not getting bullied into a claim after I've explained how you guys are pushing things that don't make sense.

I'm at l-2 by my count for no good reason

I'm fond of hammers. They're my favorite hand tool.

Just saying.

Then do it

Would be a nice 180 from you

I can't, silly.

[TwiszTed]

Just a reminder that creature's done nothing to game solve

What are your other reads?

Even if you don't claim, you can spend this time being productive.

[TwiszTed]

I hope that's the case.




You know I get the feeling that calling everyone hardheaded jackasses tomorrow after Dunn flips just isn't going to be as satisfying.

No admonition for me softing a desire to hammer your townread?

Interesting.

[TwiszTed]

I can't use noisy birds again. However he can't use events tomorrow. But I can. And plan too most definitely

Assuming you live through the night.

[TwiszTed]

I hope that's the case.




You know I get the feeling that calling everyone hardheaded jackasses tomorrow after Dunn flips just isn't going to be as satisfying.

No admonition for me softing a desire to hammer your townread?

Interesting.

Our vote is already on you.

I believe the admonition is at its highest level. I can do nothing more physically.

So if you want me dead, why do you hope you can't read me worth a shit?

[TwiszTed]

@Twisz well I should have doc on me

What if the doctor is scumreading you?

What if we have a bodyguard instead of a doctor, and they would rather not eat a bullet for such a controversial player even if you are town, because you might get lynched anyway, making their sacrifice meaningless?

[TwiszTed]

Hey Ted. I see your posts.

I chuckled.

[TwiszTed]

Ted - Don't burden-of-proficiency me right now. I have been drowning my sorrows and not really mafia-ing. Plus this game if f-ing confusing with this back-channel communication and all.

Great, now I feel like an asshole.

I'm sorry, camn. I was unaware.

[TwiszTed]

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce to you... camn!

[TwiszTed]

If we have a vig, I think Creeps would make an excellent target.

[TwiszTed]

Actually...

VOTE: Creeps

This needs to swing. If he's able to use Tsunami, let's get it out of the way so we can lynch him tomorrow.

[TwiszTed]

And look, Ted.. I had a hard week. And this weekend I am busy af too.. so don't get used to it.

I'm just happy to see the camn I expected to see.

I get that things are things. I just hadn't seen anything from you at all, which was disconcerting.

I'm good, now!

[TwiszTed]

@Ted - I don't think another power can be used today.

A perfect opportunity to lynch creeps, then.

[TwiszTed]

-wants to hammer dunn because ???

That's a mischaracterization.

I like to hammer. Period.

[TwiszTed]

i dont se this thought progression being natural

There's why you can't read me. You assume I post my honest thoughts all the time. So, of course you think they're wonky.

Leave it to better scum hunters to read me. You don't have the chops.

[TwiszTed]

Also, I got a message with the remaining ability names and what they can do.

I need input on whether I should share that list or keep it out of the game thread.

[TwiszTed]

As town you shouldn't be hiding any of yout honest thoughts. That's obstructing the game (unless you pull of a gambit which you aren't)

I'm obviously clear enough to most. Maybe the problem is you.

[TwiszTed]

And please, don't even start like this. The argument 'my play transcends your ability to understand things, I'm vastly superior to and you are therefore not allowed to read me' is the most bullshit argument I have EVER heard.

Another misrep. I never made any statements in regards to my skill. Only yours.

[TwiszTed]

I really don't understand why people aren't voting you.

It's against their wincon. Duh.

[TwiszTed]

I'm pretty sure this answers your question.

Actually it doesn't, because what I'm asking has nothing to do with my role.

[TwiszTed]

So if you are at L-1 you will hammer just because you like to hammer, period?

It's not outside the realm of possibility.

Depends on the circumstances.

[TwiszTed]

I really want Blawb dead.

Pretty sure you didn't explain this? Your only defense is pre-game?

BTW. Spare Dunn at least I think I finish re-reading the thread. I haven't finish reading the thread.

It annoyed me that he said something that I was thinking.

It was a personality post, not a read post.

[TwiszTed]

Also, I got a message with the remaining ability names and what they can do.

I need input on whether I should share that list or keep it out of the game thread.

didnt creeps already do this in game?

Names, yes. But I don't think he stated what they do.

[TwiszTed]

Basically, if creeps is scum, mafia already knows what the abilities do anyway.

If he's not, I'd be informing scum.

I believe creeps is mafia, but it would be better to lynch him first and remove all doubt.

[TwiszTed]

It depends on what you think I guess. If you think that scum already know, you can share it. I think it's possible that both (or more) are town. You've already let it be known that you have the information, which might have been useful to keep secret.

@ckd - I thought you were talking about countering creeps.

If scum have the info, town should as well.

[TwiszTed]

Also, I got a message with the remaining ability names and what they can do.

I need input on whether I should share that list or keep it out of the game thread.

didnt creeps already do this in game?

Names, yes. But I don't think he stated what they do.

Didn't he give like a vague explanation of what they did over a few posts?

-Fenix

I don't recall any such explanations.

[TwiszTed]

He doesn't necessarily feel maf to me but he does feel scum. Third party maybe? This game would likely have an sk right?

If I was sk, I'd live in your null reads.

You know why I look questionable? Because I don't care.

If you want to find scum, stop looking at what they look like and start looking at what they actually do.

[TwiszTed]

It depends on what you think I guess. If you think that scum already know, you can share it. I think it's possible that both (or more) are town. You've already let it be known that you have the information, which might have been useful to keep secret.

@ckd - I thought you were talking about countering creeps.

If scum have the info, town should as well.

I don't mind.

Then why haven't you already posted it?

[TwiszTed]

It depends on what you think I guess. If you think that scum already know, you can share it. I think it's possible that both (or more) are town. You've already let it be known that you have the information, which might have been useful to keep secret.

@ckd - I thought you were talking about countering creeps.

If scum have the info, town should as well.

I don't mind.

Then why haven't you already posted it?

If you're town and think the other manipulator is scum, it would make sense that you'd have already shared the info.

But you didn't, did you? Because you're scum and it's against your wincon to inform town.

[TwiszTed]

It depends on what you think I guess. If you think that scum already know, you can share it. I think it's possible that both (or more) are town. You've already let it be known that you have the information, which might have been useful to keep secret.

@ckd - I thought you were talking about countering creeps.

If scum have the info, town should as well.

I don't mind.

Then why haven't you already posted it?

If you're town and think the other manipulator is scum, it would make sense that you'd have already shared the info.

But you didn't, did you? Because you're scum and it's against your wincon to inform town.

In that case why reveal the names?

The names are not actually informative. It's something scum can share to appear to be providing information without actually doing so.

[TwiszTed]

Because I don't want more people to know and thus reducing the risk of scum knowing. As you can tell this role is extremely complicated over all to explain properly. I run the numbers. I know the chances. It is roughly 50/50 that scum already know. While it was almost certain in my mind that this was the case I don't think revealing is a good idea. I was using it to allow a scumslip

I don't believe you.

You were sold on the other manipulator being scum (without even trying to read them), so by your mindset SCUM ALREADY KNEW.

You need to swing.

[TwiszTed]

Actually I have an idea.

Ted.

If you truly know them then tell me what poison fog does

Until it's decided whether I reveal or not, all I will say is the action has no effect on the day and unlike other events does not affect votes.

It is an action triggered during the day to work the following night.

If that doesn't tell you that I know what it is, too bad.

[TwiszTed]

Okay other game manipulator. Do me a favour and explain why you sent the abilities too twist Ted. In a PM please

Why not in your neighborhood?

[TwiszTed]

Why didn't you all in the neighborhood, for that matter?

[TwiszTed]

Ask*

[TwiszTed]

You still could have asked there.

You are desperate to appear town at this point.

[TwiszTed]

What's the hurry?

What can having that info in the next 5 minutes do that can't be done if you get it tomorrow?

[TwiszTed]

Also, there is still a delay on waiting for the mod via pm.

[TwiszTed]

Do you scumread me, creeps?

[TwiszTed]

Creeps has already let it be known that he would use an ability to save his own skin if given the chance.

If we're going to lynch him, today is the best day to do so, in order to save that ability for the town manipulator to use.

[TwiszTed]

Do you scumread me, creeps?

Yup. I think I know your role now.
VOTE: TwiszTed

Do share.

Thrall me with your acumen.

[TwiszTed]

Creeps has already let it be known that he would use an ability to save his own skin if given the chance.

If we're going to lynch him, today is the best day to do so, in order to save that ability for the town manipulator to use.

Oh sure we will let the scum manipulator live eh?

You're still alive, aren't you?

[TwiszTed]

According to Creeps, I'm scum and the other manipulator is scum, and the scum manipulator told scum me to offer to provide information to town that town!creeps was withholding.

Man, we must be terrible scum!

[TwiszTed]

Remember part of my claim? I said "scum will try to get me killed".

If scum wanted you killed, they DO have a night kill, I'm sure.

You said that to dodge a lynch, simple as.

[TwiszTed]

Do you scumread me, creeps?

Yup. I think I know your role now.
VOTE: TwiszTed

Do share.

Thrall me with your acumen.

Your the other game manipulator.

Lol.

Nope!

[TwiszTed]

Do you scumread me, creeps?

Yup. I think I know your role now.
VOTE: TwiszTed

Do share.

Thrall me with your acumen.

Your the other game manipulator.

Lol.

Nope!

Give me one piece of information to prove this. All your posts add-up

That's disingenuous. You can't prove a negative.

How does one prove they aren't something when they can't do what that thing can do?

Reach moar.

[TwiszTed]

Remember part of my claim? I said "scum will try to get me killed".

If scum wanted you killed, they DO have a night kill, I'm sure.

You said that to dodge a lynch, simple as.

If town wanted me to live they

do

have a doc

And that would be your excuse for not being nightkilled?

How long do you think that would hold up when other townies kept dying at night?

[TwiszTed]

Oh I have proof alright. Comin' right up

This should be entertaining.

[TwiszTed]

Note that Creeps is so convinced that I'm not only scum, but the other manipulator... But he's still not outing the abilities.

If I'm scum, he has admitted that I know the abilities, so he has zero reason to withhold the information from town.

Yet he's still not providing it.

Scum (to him) is more willing to inform town than he is.

This is adorable.

[TwiszTed]

Another juicy tidbit:

Vote manipulators are unavailable in MyLo/LyLo.

[TwiszTed]

I'm the other manipulator's ally.

They townread me, albeit for a reason i find dubious yet sincere, and shared the abilities with me because scum already has the information.

I came to town to ask whether to share it publicly because as sold as I am on Creeps scum, nothing is certain without a flip.

[TwiszTed]

This is an excellent start. This would save scum the chance to NK me. As I said before scum want me killed

Because town would never want a player they're scumreading or otherwise view to be a detriment to town to be vigged, amirite?

[TwiszTed]

See his desperation to kill me?

I always push my scumreads.

[TwiszTed]

How come it is him? Out of everyone him.

Not a reason to lynch someone.

[TwiszTed]

Other things which I couldn't be bothered quote but I remember.

He says there is a delay for each message. He would only know this if he is one himself. Yes this is one of the worst options.

You won't quote it because I was referring to PM's and EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE IS A DELAY.

[TwiszTed]

In addition he is scummy in general.

If that's the case, it shouldn't be hard to make a case on me that doesn't rely on this bogus assumption.

[TwiszTed]

Also he said 'neighbourhood'.

2 player neighborhoods are a thing. Did you yourself not quote from said neighborhood?