Death Note Mafia (Game Over!)

[JasonWazza]

So ank, you have to claim today.

[JasonWazza]

[JasonWazza]

Well we didn't know where one of them was.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Wisdom

Bro/Basic hammers.

Ank needs to claim before the hammer.

I will be holding my shot tonight.

[JasonWazza]

I mean i can always shoot the one we don't lynch assuming that the other is scum.

[JasonWazza]

I can't be killed by scum.

[JasonWazza]

(Almost Chara couldn't have died Night 1)

[JasonWazza]

Lets get votes on wisdom, Basic/Bro hammer.

And can we all just agree to speed this up?

[JasonWazza]

Come on guys, this is easy, just vote wisdom.

This shouldn't be taking so long.

[JasonWazza]

*sigh* you were both here, and yet wisdom still managed a hammer.

[JasonWazza]

4 members of a primary mafia, 1 member of a secondary mafia.

[JasonWazza]

Also when were you cleared?

I thought Wisdom "cleared" you

[JasonWazza]

Ank is town

Ank isn't confirmed and is trying to bs a confirm.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Ankamius

[JasonWazza]

You believe Mew is town when there is 1 secondary mafia member?

Lol.

[JasonWazza]

In fact, that implies that either Mew is scum, or with Mew being town, he lied about his weak modifier.

[JasonWazza]

Votes on Ank, i shoot Mew.

Lets go.

[JasonWazza]

Again so this is clear.

There is 1 Secondary Mafia member flipped.

This means that logically there is at least 1 more Mafia member.

Basic is an Actual clear.

Your argument that your cleared by Mew doesn't make sense, because at least 1 more mafia member exists, and it's basically confirmed to not be me.

[JasonWazza]

You're the last secondary mafia member. The FBI Agent that primary mafia has was designed to sniff out the secondary mafia as it is effectively a 2-man SK team.

This is fucking mint, it's a 3 man secondary team and it's you and mew yeah?

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Wisdom

Bro/Basic hammers.

Ank needs to claim before the hammer.

I will be holding my shot tonight.

Hello reading, it's nice to meet you

[JasonWazza]

This is fucking weak Ank, even for you.

[JasonWazza]

@Ryuk assuming someone with a deathnote dies to a self hammer, what happens to their deathnote?

[JasonWazza]

I mean my flavour is already on the table.

And i don't think flavor helps us here.

Your cleared.

And if either Mew or Ank are scum, they have fake claims.

Ank is clearly scum claiming with his attempt at trying to lynch me.

[JasonWazza]

I'm not cleared.

I can't be Secondary scum by any stretch of the mind.

Meaning that one of you and Ank are Secondary Mafia, Minimum.

[JasonWazza]

Also as a point, the town members are at a point where they kind of just have to trust me, as i'm the only shot for the town to win.

Fact is in no realm am i secondary mafia, meaning there is no real use for lynching me right now.

Hell even Ank is trying to bullshit his way past the fact that i'm not secondary mafia with the whole "the FBI agent was detecting secondary mafia."

[JasonWazza]

I wanted to work with the other scum team but fuck that shit now. Wisdom is scum on the other team.

Give us some other reads about this other scum team youre talking about. In fact, give us any information you can share

I have two buddies so the other team is probs like Wisdom, Basic and Synik. Now way is the FBI claim legit and Basic was hard defending so prob a bud and Wisdom got pissed when I sorta kinda slipped that it was MB.

Hey basic.

Mew and Ank are scum.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: No Lynch

[JasonWazza]

Good to see town will still win, even though town fucked it up by following Wisdom the whole fucking game.

Cause Ank, you have no way to kill me with the deathnote, and i have a gun to shoot you guys.

[JasonWazza]

Oh and if either of you scum bags want's to self vote to end this early, that would be great.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: No Lynch
VOTE: Mewtaph

[JasonWazza]

Also scum don't end game here because you don't have the majority.

Even numbers don't cut it in games like these.

[JasonWazza]

Also. You say town members plural in 5342.

Also at this, i checked Nero's ISO after i made this post, and i knew what i was looking for.

[JasonWazza]

Ruining what?

[JasonWazza]

No lynching isn't town's best shot.

[JasonWazza]

Yep keep pretending your town Ank.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like im going around in circles, hour by hour. Why didnt mafia kill me? Jasons frustrations for the most part to me have felt townie but the past 2days have been like a rage in the least fun way imaginable.

Also towards my annoyance, i'm annoyed because i have had this game solved for so long, and even now you are doing nothing with scum right in front of you.

I called Wisdom out really fucking early, i shot Hark who was obviously scum.

But no don't fucking listen to your vig that you guys made shoot town multiple days in a row cause you decided to listen to a fucking scum bag.

[JasonWazza]

Basic read this and then vote Mew.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Win_Condition

[JasonWazza]

The issue is this, if i'm not town aligned, and town members lynch me, town loses.

Because if i'm not town vig, i am a Serial Killer, but that still leaves the issue of at least 1 more scum exists, and brings the issue of a kill from ank/Mew.

[JasonWazza]

Fact is the only Reason Ank suggested that i'm Secondary Mafia and that is what the FBI agent detected was so that he could try and force a lynch on me for him and Mew to win.

[JasonWazza]

I was entertaining the thought of both Jason + Ank being non town aligned, but that would essentially mean that town cannot win no matter what, so I'm going to discard that line of thought.

Also this is scum forgeting that he has a claim that makes Ank confirmed Town.

[JasonWazza]

This is Ank trying to avoid the fact that his scum partner fucked up.

[JasonWazza]

Any reason we shouldn't lynch Jason today?

Any reason we shouldn't lynch Jason today?

Here's a fun idea.

You're the last secondary mafia member. The FBI Agent that primary mafia has was designed to sniff out the secondary mafia as it is effectively a 2-man SK team.

The reason you didn't kill anyone last night is because you somehow got a death note and used that to kill Bro instead so it wouldn't be obvious you're the last anti-town player alive.

Did I figure you out?

This wasn't you trying to strongarm a lynch on me and failing at all.

[JasonWazza]

Options that result in a town win in any scenario that can possibly exist.

No Lynch: Town win occurs if I am Town Vig ONLY, as a death note kill still exists and drops this to a 2 man game regardless.
Lynching Mew: Town win occurs if i am a Town Vig, as i will shoot Ank leaving me and basic.
Lynching Ank: Town win occurs if i am a Town Vig only, as i shoot Mew.
Lynching Jason: Town win occurs if i am secondary Mafia/SK and BOTH Mew and Ank are town.

Fact is if town wants to win, we either trust me, or we lynch me.

And there is no logic to lynching me as i am basically confirmed not to be a secondary Mafia member, as much as Ank wants to say i am.

[JasonWazza]

Ank you got any other scenarios that end in a town win that i haven't thought of?

[JasonWazza]

3 is impossible.

No it's not at all.

Because again, the scum win condition doesn't have to be majority, and likely isn't because multiball.

And yet again, Mew is forgeting that he has a clear on Ank according to what he has said.

[JasonWazza]

scratch that, Ank stop buddying me plz.
yes, game doesn't end here. all this means is that there are 1-2 anti town left and 3 is impossible.
basically, the thought here is that its 4-2 with ank/jason as the last nero partner.
vig or no vig

Ank, what do you think about me immediately hammering myself if you throw a vote my way? Your move.

In fact, not lynching this is scum.

[JasonWazza]

"I'm a weak deathnote cop, me investigating someone doesn't clear them"

[JasonWazza]

3-1 is still possible because antitown!Jason actually wants to shoot scum yesterday (Hark)

Town!Jason wanted to shoot scum, but was leashed by the town who was following scum.

[JasonWazza]

For what its worth, I invested Jason last night and it pulled up with no DN.

This is full on proof that Mew is scum.

He has claimed WEAK Deathnote cop.

According to him, all 3 other members of the town are innocent.

[JasonWazza]

And P.S. Mew, according to you, assuming you lied about your Weak modifier.

This means Ank is scum, as he wrote in the death note last night.

[JasonWazza]

I love when scum out each other.

[JasonWazza]

^ Doesn't even understand how the Weak modifier works and is trying to bullshit around it.

[JasonWazza]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Weak

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player.

Mew is a lying scumbag.

[JasonWazza]

Seriously Mew, next time you fake claim something, look up what it actually means.

[JasonWazza]

Now i know your full of shit.

[JasonWazza]

But again, in your eyes, Ank is scum, as Bro was killed with the deathnote last night, and i don't have a DN, and Basic is cleared.

VOTE ANK NOW.

[JasonWazza]

"For fuck's sakes! Fine!" With a huff, BROseidon grabbed the trash bag and walked outside. As he put it into the bin, he clutched his heart.

This is a bullet shot.

Seriously go look at all my kills, all my kills are obviously by bullets.

[JasonWazza]

The first line is sarcasm.

And you just said i don't have a death note, and he is dying by a heart attack, meaning Ank killed him via the death note.

[JasonWazza]

Here is links to all my kills.

Night 1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8378096
Night 2: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8408643 (This is Gamma dying for Misa)
Night 3: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8433468
Night 4: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8457975
Night 5: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8477686

Note all of mine are the ones with bullet holes in them, though Iraon only has wounds it's safe to assume bullet holes.

[JasonWazza]

The only way Mewtaph can be 100% truthful is if BROseidon is a kill that was not made last night. This would mean that Jason is SK and the rest of us are town.

Bro wasn't a delayed kill.

Wisdom died during his 3rd day, so couldn't have aligned a third kill, and both the masons were kill 1/2

[JasonWazza]

I like how i have to reiterate the basics of what has happened this game constantly.

P-EDIT: Basic was cleared by the eyes of a mason, you were "cleared" by the "eyes" of Wisdom.

[JasonWazza]

The only way Mewtaph can be 100% truthful is if BROseidon is a kill that was not made last night. This would mean that Jason is SK and the rest of us are town.

Bro wasn't a delayed kill.

Wisdom died during his 3rd day, so couldn't have aligned a third kill, and both the masons were kill 1/2

Then Mewtaph is lying.

Easy.

Then vote Mew, Easy.

[JasonWazza]

I'll unvote and wait for Basic to decide who he want's lynched since he is the clear.

You 2 crossvote.

UNVOTE: Mewtaph

[JasonWazza]

No fact is if Mew believes what he is saying, you are scum.

If you are town, then you have to think that Mew is scum.

[JasonWazza]

I mean i just assume your gonna say something stupid to protect your scum buddy.

[JasonWazza]

Thing is i believe that as a modifier, i don't believe you have that modifier because you said nothing sooner about it.

[JasonWazza]

Oh yeah you just didn't explain that the multiple times i had said you were bsing your role.

[JasonWazza]

Basic as a note, my preference is to lynch Ank, take it or leave it.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Mewtaph

[JasonWazza]

Well, I lied about my Jason result. I didn't check anyone last night phase, or at all past the results I posted, really.

V/LA tomorrow

"I fucked up and confirmed my partner as scum and need to retract it."

[JasonWazza]

I said i wasn't going to take a shot, if there was an issue then it should have been addressed yesterday.

Wisdom flipping Primary mafia didn't really change that.

[JasonWazza]

Also i didn't think Bro would die, because i figured that there was no way the deathnote could have been making a kill right then, apparently there was a way.

As i stated before, there wasn't a way for bro to die as wisdom had used the 2 shots he was alive for, and there was very little reason i could see him being able to.

That being the case, i thought that at worse we would be in a 3v2, and more likely a 4v1 where my shot was more going to be used as a last resort, and in the case that bro didn't die, it meant that you guys could be happier with me being alive, because there is no way i could have won as an SK.

[JasonWazza]

Got it and i believe that one.

[JasonWazza]

Except Bro saw me without the Note's so you know.

[JasonWazza]

Bro didn't see you without death notes on the only night that actually matters to anything I'm saying, so your response means literally nothing.

He saw me on the only night i could have acquired the note?

Before and after then i couldn't have acquired the notebook.

[JasonWazza]

How is it possible for me to kill bro with it if i acquired it Night 6?

Fucking dumbass

[JasonWazza]

Yes because I knew bro's flavor name

[JasonWazza]

Here is the simple issue, I can't have both the death note and bro's name to kill him, meaning lynching me is just plain dumb because someone is using the death note

[JasonWazza]

Given ank and his conf bias I'm inclined to believe that BOTH ank and mew are scum

[JasonWazza]

Here is how I think it went down.
Scum Jason:
N5:
Choice: Kill a townie, or try to shoot Wisdom's partner.

*

Hark (DN Holder) dies, dropping DN to Jason
D5:
Jason uses eyes on Bro, and clearly outlines that he will hold his kill today. well, that's because he's using his DN to kill BRO tonight.
Trying to appeal to Basic
Wisdom dies, primary mafia team eliminated. Doesn't say that he was holding a DN upon day lynch.
N6:
Jason uses DN on Bro.
D6:
Jason is trying to bullshit his way into a win.

Hey Mew, if i had a DN from killing Hark, how did i not get detected with one?

Conf Bias go.

[JasonWazza]

Seriously, i like how BOTH of you are conf bias here, you are like screaming out that you are Secondary mafia goon 2/3.

Town in either of you would consider the fact that i could never have both a DN and a name, and consider that maybe just maybe, the other one is scum.

But no i'm the only way you 2 can win.

[JasonWazza]

Unless you don't believe our dead DN cop with a clear on me.

Then yes i can't have the name AND the DN to actually do anything with it.

But you guys keep strongarming me, because you are a scum pair.

[JasonWazza]

I mean, you don't decide who i shoot, if anything Basic decides.

[JasonWazza]

How so?

[JasonWazza]

(It's actually most logical to take it close to LyLo due to the mechanics of the eyes but whatever)

[JasonWazza]

Except one of you is 100% guaranteed to be secondary mafia, so lynching me is an auto loss for town.

Me being a Town Vig is still more likely then me having a deathnote

[JasonWazza]

"I'd rather let myself win"

[JasonWazza]

Again, i am a town vig.

And Again, you not acknowledging that chance means you are 100% scum.

[JasonWazza]

Oh? Tell me how lynching me is a logical decision, i'm glad to hear it scum bag.

[JasonWazza]

Again, you 2 are fucking strongarming the towns only fucking chance.

And you want to argue that your both not scum?

[JasonWazza]

I'm not confirmed not town.

In fact i'm confirmed most likely town of the 3 of us, because i'm the only one that can't have the DN's right now.

[JasonWazza]

Again, assuming you are town, why is it your barreling down on me, instead of the person who in your mind is confirmed to be using the death note?

I'm not going to try and explain the balance, you can ask Ryuk that.

Like seriously both you and mew should have the other confirmed as scum, yet neither of you are even considering that an option.

[JasonWazza]

I don't give a fuck. I'm not voting for anything but you or no lynch today, so you're completely wasting your time by trying to sell Mewtaph as the lynch today.

This is 100% scum Ank.

Scum Ank is trying to avoid the fact that he as town, would have a confirmed scum member in Mew, and is spouting bullshit.

Again Ank, it's not my job to explain the balance to you.

Fact is according to your town thinking, Mew has the deathnote, and yet once again, you are barreling onto someone that could be town, by just saying it doesn't make sense balance wise?

Hint: me being town still makes sense, as this town is against 6 minimum scum (i still think your both scum) of which i'm the only major town power (remember a lot of the town powers can't actually detect scum), but can still quite easily go against town, by making poor shots.

You want to argue i've done nothing to benefit town, hint i had been trying to get wisdom lynched, i shot Hark.

I have been trying to lynch Mew for a while (again confirmed scum to you) and you want to argue that i'm anti-town because the fucking town wanted to follow a scumbag?

[JasonWazza]

Also you want to argue balance Ank?

We have a 4 man scum team, do you put in a 2 or a 3 man scum team along side that?

Because most logical people if anything put a 3 man scum team and give them the win in case of ties.

Notice what that means?

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: No Lynch

[JasonWazza]

Getting away from mechanics and such.
Who has actually been the scummiest person here?

Personally Mew for me.

[JasonWazza]

As for Jason, early ISO, I noticed that he had been recycling vote targets over and over again, quite noncommittally.

I mean, no one at all was listening to me like the whole game.

[JasonWazza]

Hell even now i am town's best bet, and still no one fucking listens to me.

[JasonWazza]

As did several other people. Instead you consistantly pandered to Wisdom and the mystery voice in the sky.
So get over your pity party, personally im just trying to weigh up options.

The entire town was following Wisdom/Masons, and they weren't listening to me at all.

@Jason. What is it exactly you feel we arent listening to you on?
Because you've been jumping like a cat on a hot tin roof. From no lynch to mewtaph to ank to both.
I dont know where your head is at. And every time you come out with your pity parties the less inclined i am in following you.

Ok i'm not giving you credit, Ank isn't listening to reason, that is what is pissing me off.

Also in my mind, the lynch shouldn't matter, unless it's on me town wins.

Can anyone infer what this means?
Would a watcher see? Were we given essentially dud roles re:DN kills?
It makes sense flavour wise but on seeing that i was like..... Hurr.....
I found it on my reread and spent a good half an hour trying to decipher it.
For anyone forgetful, iroanvp/Wedy stated he'd be looking out for Kraska/L night 1.

Pretty sure that DN kills are undetectable, as watching a dead target isn't a thing.

As i was watching NM Night5/6 and recieved no result would it be fair to say i may MAY have been redirected?

Well i mean logically you weren't because Iraon didn't see shit, meaning you wouldn't have seen shit.

This is hitting a bit too close to home for me.

This is actually a good point, and a thing to discuss is was Wisdom being genuine in his shock of the game being multiball, because they had a team of 5?

Whereas Jason's legitimate chastisizing of me and bro felt town. We had both been online. It should have been an easy swoop.
He promoted one of us hammering. Although Wisdom said Jason is diabolically town anyway as scum.
Even down to his Mr.Bean pic when he killed Hark. He seemed elated. This breif look at him minus leash comes across as town.
But i question that missed shot last night. As town i'd have taken it and despite what he says, HE. SHOULD. HAVE. TAKEN. IT.

Again, i know now i probably should have, but i stuck by what i had said.

@Jason. Why did you kill Hark over Wisdom? Out from my initial elation too with Hark shot as town!vig i would damn well be shooting the guy holding my leash all game. Neither would i have left it until the point he had to be talked to death with at least 2dead towns backing.

While i wanted to shoot Wisdom, and trust me i really wanted to shoot the fuck out of him, i felt it was better to shoot someone who was legitmately scum, and then have Wisdom die to the lynch seen as Wisdom was 100% the DN holder in my eyes.

Synik was using the eyes.
MAYBE Wisdom was too.
I think they had probably double name taps for the first few days.
Unless someone

had

to sacrafice themselves for the eyes. Synik i assume they thought was on the way out anyway. Why not get extra names while they were at it?
Its an idea.

Wisdom was definitely using the eyes (mason kills, and he even says he would die the next day), and Synik using the eyes lines up as well (the first couple of DN kills)

[JasonWazza]

How does different default deaths change anything?

I may just be completely missing something here.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly my main thought is that Wisdom was going for having bro incriminate someone by tossing them a notebook, and it kinda backfired because Bro checked me instead.

[JasonWazza]

Given i'm a town Vig it's a red herring to make my role anti-utility/balance my role (as a claim from me puts doubts on my claim.)

[JasonWazza]

Honestly my main thought is that Wisdom was going for having bro incriminate someone by tossing them a notebook, and it kinda backfired because Bro checked me instead.

One problem with this:

Irao even if i share it, it remains in my ownership.

The issue with this is the handoffs to NM and Malpa showed the opposite of this effect.

[JasonWazza]

Actually, why the fuck are we even discussing this? Only Wisdom COULD have killed him.

Define him.

[JasonWazza]

That is true, but i feel like what Vecna said has been overwritten by what has actually occured.

Because given how it's gone, i feel like we have proof that you don't keep ownership of the notebook.

Again meaning that given the bro kill, Wisdom likely handed a notebook off, and gave it to the secondary mafia member, and they are currently using it.

[JasonWazza]

I think i asked you and Wisdom before but.... neither of you were exactly forthcoming.

Remember how Ryuk tells us nothing, yeah i got nothing in the fact that all i know is i have a black mask, and got it off Snarky.

By Death Note and knowledge of the flavor, i assume i can't die to the notebook.

[JasonWazza]

Also i have to reiterate this.

The current DN holder killed Bro, as Wisdom wasn't alive to put in a 3rd kill via the eyes, meaning his kills are on our masons.

P-EDIT: I'm saying he gave it away during the night before Ank, because he wants someone to be caught with the DN according to bro.

[JasonWazza]

Or if he gives it to town that he thinks bro is investigating, he pulls a guilty on someone who isn't his alignment, and gives hark another pass for another day.

[JasonWazza]

Also if Wisdom doesn't flip, we have to add people he "cleared" in the potential scum-pool

This is where i would put it.

Because again, there is no reason for Bro not to put his invest in here because i believe we were at a place where if Wisdom was telling the truth, then everyone was cleared.

[JasonWazza]

Which again isn't helpful, because i believe both Ank/Mew were cleared by Wisdom.

[JasonWazza]

I mean DN cops are so useless anyway that i wouldn't be surprised.

[JasonWazza]

Especially since the way he described the role, it's legitimately a useless role, you don't even get proper clears on it because just because someone doesn't have a DN doesn't mean they aren't scum.

[JasonWazza]

You realize that my scenario is the only logical one that could have occured to be at this game state yes?

Outside of voodoo magic or some sort of death note stealing ability (which could have been used lots sooner)

[JasonWazza]

There's no real reason to. He had the masons in his hands.

Except remember he was going to lose all credibility immediately in the morning because he was alive too long.

[JasonWazza]

Because the odd night DN cop could have detected him, instantly making their team lose.

And remember we have proof that Hark had no DN's by me killing him and being shown with no DN.

Not to mention, Wisdom was going to die so holding the DN's makes no real sense.

[JasonWazza]

What?

[JasonWazza]

Then how do you explain the DN kill?

[JasonWazza]

I'm intrigued, go on.

[JasonWazza]

Maybe that's just the mechanic actually.

If someone self hammers with a deathnote it automatically gets handed to team 2 as they have less members.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: No Lynch

[JasonWazza]

I kind of interpreted Vecna giving Wisdom the DN over me as an "I think he's town, live me on plz" when it was actually probably something more like "This is probably the right play, as long as Wisdom gets lynched if things get shady/off", so thats my bad for not trying harder there.

Just addressing this before i read the rest of the post.

Vecna didn't hand the Notebook to Wisdom, Wisdom killed Vecna and took the notebook.

[JasonWazza]

Is the "oh, when someone dies during the night, they drop whatever possessions they had to their killer" is verified to be true. if yes then Jason has two masks, one from Snarky for killing him, and one from Wisdom for killing him, and hasn't said anything about it?

Ummm, Wisdom killed himself, because there was no hammer.

[JasonWazza]

Also i asked Ryuk early on (like D2/3) whether i could pass on masks or not, and i can't.

[JasonWazza]

So Basic, that post, you plan on putting it out there?

[JasonWazza]

What's wrong with Night 3?

Also i definitely have the preference to Ank first.

Of the two i just feel like Ank would be most likely to have a DN on him to have made the kill with it.

[JasonWazza]

Maybe they tried using the eyes on me, or possibly whoever else had Snarky's Mask.

[JasonWazza]

Or cause the name check is a day ability maybe they checked iraon?

fucked if i know honestly.

[JasonWazza]

I mean if i was mafia i'd have killed you by now, SK or Vig.
How you're even alive right now is like.....

Well i assume that is all to do with the mask.

Makes me glad i was made to kill Snarky.

[JasonWazza]

Actually reasoning to why Synik's 3rd kill goes unused.

AC died that day, meaning they got no night talk because no more encryptor, and Synik passed on the DN the night prior (meaning he had a name, but no DN to write it in.)

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Ankamius

[JasonWazza]

So are you 2 just going to not vote each other because you guys are scum partners?

Because that looks like what this Mew thing is.

[JasonWazza]

I'm repeating it because it hasn't lost it's truth, you guys aren't voting each other, when even the confirmed townie has basically said you should be.

[JasonWazza]

Like Ank, you can't look at what Mew said after our discussion, and not think that he is scum.

[JasonWazza]

LOL

[JasonWazza]

Basic relax, i told you what's going on already, they are both scum team 2.

[JasonWazza]

Nope.

[JasonWazza]

I'm not assisting you scum bags.

[JasonWazza]

Basic, think about the outcome of tonight, and relax about the game a little.

I'll explain more tomorrow.

[JasonWazza]

If there is an antitown outside of Jason/Jason is town, then they are forced to hold their kill or they are giving the win to whatever faction Jason is in (because they are forcing themselves into a 1:1 scenario where Jason can shoot them, but they can't shoot Jason back)

And here i was hoping that you 2 would be stupid enough to not think of this.

[JasonWazza]

Cute.

[JasonWazza]

It would if i was planning on shooting you.

And also you would flip scum as well.

So yeah no that wouldn't happen.

[JasonWazza]

I'm sick of listening to ank.

[JasonWazza]

fuck it i don't want to delay today any longer.

VOTE: No Lynch

[JasonWazza]

Wait Neither of you were scum?

Ha.

[JasonWazza]

That actually explains why neither of you were confronting the fact that i had the deathnote.

Which i received by killing Hark, and apparently me getting the deathnote occurs after i am checked.

[JasonWazza]

I mean you can't say you 100% expected there to be 1 Secondary Mafia, and an SK.

So that means lynching me wasn't going to help.

[JasonWazza]

I mean it's hard to say if a 1 man Mafia team is bastard.

[JasonWazza]

4. Can a player holding the death note say, "Player X can die next night phase and not this night phase?" Yes, but only one kill can be ordered per Death Note per night.

Question, how come this didn't occur in bro's case?

[JasonWazza]

Broseidon, Stephen Gevanni is to die of a heart attack at the start of Day 8.

This is written in the book with the Mason deaths

I will shoot no one tonight.

Also yay for ending early.

[JasonWazza]

God damn would that have made this game so much easier.

[JasonWazza]

hopefully folks buy into my 2 teams of 3 scum. Even if Wisdom and Synik get lynched they'd still be looking for the last Wisdom scum and the other two my scum.

Holy shit could you have fucked up my day.

Legit, thanks Wisdom and Nero for not outing me like you could have.

[JasonWazza]

Reading through the other topics, i love the fucking confusion that is going through it all.

[JasonWazza]

Why do you think i kept pushing that result?

Because that result was so fucking amazing for me.

Speaking of.

@Ryuk: What would have actually happened had Wisdom been holding the DN's and self hammered?

[JasonWazza]

Well we didn't know where one of them was.

Also so glad that no one went back and noticed that this was me posturing towards claiming to have the death notes on hand in case of Bro having a guilty on me.

[JasonWazza]

Also for those who don't understand the no shot was a strategic "There's no reason to lynch me" play.

I setup the bro kill, He dies the next night, there is no reason not to lynch one of Ank/Mew, i shoot the other, giving the confirmed townies the ability to let me live for no fall back, while i kill them and win the game.

But the bro kill went off and i was like, fuck.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly who the fuck knows.

[JasonWazza]

He was told he doesn't affect kills.

[JasonWazza]

Ill be awaiting my death scene with bated breath if Jason is scum or if town!Jason misses the shot.

Basic jumped to his feet and began to storm out of his house. However, in all his excitement, he forgot to breathe.

Also just gonna put this here for anyone that might have missed it.

[JasonWazza]

So out of interest, what was the mafia teams win conditions? (outside of the one Preview mafia PM it's hard to find one.)

[JasonWazza]

Actually ignore that i found the PM's.

Kinda odd that i could have won with the mafia team.

[JasonWazza]

Wait does Nero win?

As i endgame Mew and then die (due to the eyes)

[JasonWazza]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=67949

[JasonWazza]

No but technically both our win conditions contain the "you win if everyone dies"

The scenario we ended in was an everyone dies scenario because i die at the end of the game.

[JasonWazza]

Also even the town win condition is vague to when they win.

"You win when all threats to the town are no more."

Meaning an everyone dies scenario is still a town win scenario (as all threats to the town are still dead if everyone is).

[JasonWazza]

Well, i killed Mew, and i die afterwards, so everyone dies

[JasonWazza]

No: the rules generally state that ONCE A SCUMTEAM ACHIEVES A SIMPLE MAJORITY they win.

This is not a standard game, i even linked to why that doesn't work.

Basic read this and then vote Mew.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Win_Condition

[JasonWazza]

Like there is no reason while the game was running to assume that a simple majority won the game.