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Ok then i will speak.
My biggest problem with the resolution the both the MABM and the weapons inspectors going to veto nations. The best thing we can do is diversify. I like the idea of the MABM going to a veto nation but i think that weapons inspectors whould be sent to a non-veto nation, with everything still at random. It just seems horribly unbalanced if the mafia had a veto nation. I dont see any of the big 5 being members of the Axis of Evil. We should limit (not the word i want to use but cant think of a better word right now) out inspections to the lesser nations, the ones with less clout.
I support this resolution except for the parts I have outlined above.
Getting rid of line 4 entirely i feel is the best course of action. It wold be better if both nations were random instead of both nations definately being in the group of 5. that is all for now.
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Resolution repost as per CS request
PolarBoy wrote:MUNSCM 003:
Noting that allowing the axis to know what nation is protected allows them to attack with impunity.
Also noting that allowing the axis to know which nation is investigated gives them an optimal target.
Further noting that not allowing the council to know confuses debate.
1. Requires that MABM be sent to a nation randomly selected by the chair.
2. Requires that weapons inspectors be sent to the same nation selected for MABM protection.
3. Requires that inspection report be sent to another nation randomly selected by the chair.
4. Requires that both nations selected have veto power.
5. Requires that selections by the chair be announced to council the day after and no sooner.
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massive wrote:MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum
Notingthat Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;
Also notingthat Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;
Also notingRomania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;
1.Strongly suggeststhat a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania.
I would just like to say that i am not protecting the veto power countries. IF a resolution were propossed, such as this one, that targeted one of them, they could easily veto it. Now, because of this, i believe that there are no members of the Axis of Evil with veto power because the rest of the world would have no way of disposing of said Axis.
Now, as for my attempts to pass my actions off as those of the delgate from the philipines, i would just like to say that it was an honest mistake. THe delgate from romania has been drinking a little more than a United Nations ambassador should at such perilous times.
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the silent speaker wrote:Point of information directed to the speaker:How is it that you were "not aware" of one of the most fundamental rules, and possibly the most often repeated, of the game's mechanics? Also, why the vitriol indicated in your response to the delegate from France? "I will see you all in hell" hardly speaks of your goodwill toward this body. As the resolution stands your country isn't even in any danger -- refer to the chair's response to the pertinent question.
If i am killed, you will all burn in hell for murding an innocent. That was the point of my statement. as for how i was not aware. I Didnt really read the rules all that closely and havent seen any mention of the fact that a veto country cant veto a resolution with its name in it.-
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Well, i will now take this time to make a solid, and hopefully non-futile, defense.
A few things. Firsts, the phillipines main arguments for my guilt. First, my cavorting as the phillipines. Honest mistake. Do you really think a member of the axis of evil would be stupid enough to try and pretend to be another nation, especially one of the nations on the council? It is almost laughable.
As to my defending the nations with veto power. What is wrong with that really? I believe that would should not focus all of our energies in one dirrection, would should instead make our information net wide, as to catch the most information. As to the belief that there is more than one member of the axis of evil with the power of veto is rediculous. If there were 2, one could veto a resolution targeting the other, and then when a resolution was dirrected at that one, the other could veto it and it would be impossible to defeat.
Now for my belief as to who may be evil. Ofcourse i have reason to believe that the delgate from the Phillipines is evil for having such a flimsy and circumstancial case against me. There is no solid evidence whatsoever.
another suspect is the delegate from China. My reasons for believing this is that at a time when it appeared, at least to me, that the likelhood of the resolution leading to the nuking of my nation would likely pass, china wanted to close debate without giving the targeted nation an oppurtunity to make a defense, thus almost guranteeing the death of a loyal member of the security council.
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at the time, it seemed like a good idea. As you can see, i have always thought that there is at the most 1 veto country in the axis of evil. Investigating the veto countires (since there are only 5? of them) would take less time than investigating the non veto countries, so we would either clear all the veto countries, or quickly find the most powerful member of the asix of evilZONEACE wrote:I am going to have to agree with mathcam on this one. To give the power of Veto to 2 evil countries seems a bit, well insane and unbalanced. so mathcams plan is one i would vote for.
as to your second point of information. As i said, it was an honest mistake. as for why since i have been "debunked" as you said, i have only made votes and defended myself, the reason is because since that time, there has been doubt cast in my direction, including the resolution targeting me. I have had, little choice but to defend myself, because at this point, all content, regarding resolutions, is content involving my trying to stay alive, meaning me defending myself.
as i have said. People make mistakes, many times, like this time, they are honest mistakes, with no alterior motive, no ill intent, just a simple, misunderstnading. And i will reinterate that he delegate From The PHillipines has no real evidence against me and is merely throwing suspicion, dressed up as proof.-
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THank you all for waiting patiently, the last 2 and a half days have been absolutely crazy. Ive had midterms, and about 12 hours of rehersals now, what you have all been waiting for.
I find it hard to believe that there is one axis country with veto power (however, the more the game goes on, the more i start to think one evil veto nation is possible) however, i find it absolutely impossible for there to be 2 axis of evil nations with veto power because then the axis of evil would be almost impossible. That is why i have been fighting the idea of even 1 evil veto nation.the silent speaker wrote:Points of information directed at the speaker:
In your defense, you argue that your reasoning has been that it is impossible for there to betwonations with veto power among the Axis of Evil. However, your actual arguments have centered on the assertion that there is not evenone. Please explain.
First off, i never made an attempted amendment. I realize the fault of my original logic for spreading out the MABMs. It would be a bad idea to take the MABM out of the veto nations.Regarding your comments on defending the nations with veto power: Do you not realize that, far fromdefendingthe nations with veto power, your attempted amendment actively endangers them? If we do not keep the MABMs withiin the Permanent Members, there is a two-thirds chance thatnoPermanent Member will be protected tonight and the Axis can pick one off freely. By restricting the MABM placement, our odds of preventing a nuclear strike triple (presuming the Axis goes after the more dangerous-to-them Permanent Members first).
Not true. Lets say there is 1 axis nation in the permanent members. IF we investigate one of them, we have a 1 in 5 chance of finding and evil nation.Also, how does widening the field of possible locations for our inspectors widen our information net? Our net remains the same; all you would succeed in doing is widen the ocean. That makes our task harder, not easier.
now lets say there are 3 other members of the axis of evil. That is 3 in 10 roughly 1 1/2 in 5, or if there are 4 other axis mebers that 2 in 5 so the chances, while not huge, are greater if we dont limit ourselves to the permanent members.-
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I am through fighting this hopeless cause. No matter what i sau, you will find some fault with it. All i can say is that while destroying romania will increase future attempts to find axis members (my death will make it 3/14). So do what you will, i obviously can not change the opinion of some of you no matter what i do.
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which is exactly why we must table the motion, to find a better target and execute a Nuclear strike against said target.Narninian wrote:If its decided in the caucus the shelved motion is the best idea, then we can do that - but another country may be decided to be a better target.Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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Ok, obviously my post was not clear enough. We need to Nuke the Phillipines.mikehart wrote:very good point. i agree with you. because of the nature of the game and the newness of it, it is quite hard to really get scummy vibes until we really get used to the game. @ZONEACE, why do you feel the need to table the shelved resolution? dont you believe we should discuss and try and find out who is the best candidate for a nuclear attack?Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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wow, i am going to have to spell it out.dragonmaster wrote:Why the Phillipines?
The motion, in which Romania was named as the Nuclear Strike Target was made by the phillipines. The Motion, was a desperate attemp, by those disloyal to the security council, to capialize on the mistakes of a loyal member. get it. The phillipines, in an attempt to use Romania's mistakes against Romania, has an obviously scummy move.Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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Vraak X wrote:Delegate from Romania, please explain your unwillingness to extend the caucus?
I feel i have explained well enough why iam doing what i am doing. if you haven't understood, it is becasue you have not been reading my posts. The delgate from the Philipines is scum. we are delaying. We are giving those who wish to destroy the peace are trying to keep, and we are allowing them to do so, by dignifying their pathetic attempts at casuing dissention amongs us. I urge you all to stop the pussyfooting and realize that something must be done to stop the menace that has taken foot hold.Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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Im through ebing defensive. i was defensive whent he Pilipines tried to wipe my people of the face of the planet. Now Im pissed and trying to show you all the danger of allowing the Philpines to continue to influence your decisions.Flying Dutchman wrote:Delegate from Romania, why are you so aggresive and defensive?Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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POI to the speaker: What must the delgate from romania do in order to clear itself in your obviously evil mind?Vraak X wrote:
At this point and time, if the country of Romania cannot redeem itself during the course of its term in the Speaker's seat, then the United States will sanction a nuclear strike.Uraj45 wrote:POI to the speaker:You are being vague once again and skirting the edges of this question. Answer my question directly and simply. Do you or do you not wish for this resolution to be passed?Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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being as this is the only copy of the resolution i can find i will speak on it.cuban smoker wrote:Current Resolution
MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum
Notingthat Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;
Also notingthat Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;
Also notingRomania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;
1.Requiresthat a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania
2.Strongly suggeststhat any nation that vetos this attack be made the target of a nuclear strike to replace the strike intended against Romania.
to the first point. Romania is not trying toprotectveto powered countries, Romania is only trying to make you all realize the odds of multiple Evil veto countries is slim. However, I do strongly believe there is 1 veto country whos intentions are not honest. I will admit, my opinions of the Veto countries have changed since this resolution was made. I felt an axised veto nation was over powered, but i already explained long ago, that was because a misunderstanding of abilities of Permanent members of the council.
To the third point, The Romanian delgate has already apoligized for its mistake. No real explanation exists, other than a simple mistake. Believe it or not, The romanian delgate is human.
To the first sub point, Romania is not a good target for nuclear strike, because it remains loyal to the UN. However, there are several Nations, The Phillipines and the USA which are not.
The Romanian delgate would like to add that it will be submiting a resolution to sanction a nuclear strike against the united states, and one to sanction a nuclear strike against the philipines as it has become obvious these 2 nations are in league with one another, and they wish to destroy the freedoms we hold so dear.
The Delgate from romania now stands for any questions.Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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i assume this is the post you speak of. to adress these pointsmassive wrote:
One, the delegate from Romania never clearly defended his positions that led about to the initial resolution against him. Continued questioning only led to aggression, and not answers.
Two, since stepping down and finding himself saved by the miraculous tabling of MUNSCM 007, the delegate from Romania did nothing but vote when necessary for a solid month-and-a-half, most likely hoping that the fervor against him would dissipate if he behaved.
Three, upon realizing that the only option available to the council at this time was the re-introduction of MUNSCM 007, the delegate from Romania immediately took the aggressive stance once again, and attempted to bring the weight of this council around on top of the Phillipines. With no proof and not even a slight shred of evidence to produce, the delegate from Romania again resorted to baseless accusations. An act of a desperate delegate, hoping to cover up his country's involvement with sinister powers.
Point One.
I have addressedt his several times. Any more questions regarding it will have to be specific, because i have said my piece on this.
Point Two.
The reason is i have not seen fit to make any other effort since then. Nothing has been done that would warrant me to do much more than vote. I wish to see the destruction of your nation as well as the USA, but support at the time was not sufficient, so i did not push for it. Actually, at the time in question, i was not actually suspicious of the USA so it was just you i guess.
to point three.
My accusations are not baseless. You have mad eit clear with your attack, for pathetic and flimsy reasons, that you are desperate and wish to destroy a loyal nation of the council. That is why i wish to see an end to you, but right now, the destruction of the United states is my top priority (ofcourse, behind me not being destroye though).Late twenties, early Thursdays-
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