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Dark Ermac's two posts areextremelyquestionable. He claims connection issues for yesterday -- but what about the other seven silent days? And the "damnit" following quickly -- as though he didn't know with his first post that he'd been replaced but figured it out just a minute later. Weirdness.
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I'm also getting curious about Fletcher since I'm almost positive I saw him reading the site yesterday afternoon and was fully expecting to see a resulting post. So...did my eyes deceive me, Fletch? If not, why no post?Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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I'm part of the "crew from Thespival" -- and the only way we could all have a motive for lying would be if we were a 9+ person group tasked with lying in this game, and anyone who believes that is "not unlikely" is either paranoid or purposely spewing crap.Battle Mage wrote:Furthermore, its not unlikely that this crew from Thespival actually has a motive for lying. But then, of course you probably havent considered the possibility that the whole thing is a setup designed to out and eliminate the Jester.
Same goes for your "setup" suggestion -- but, even if you truly believed it was designed by the majority of the players as a trap, why attempt to debunk it? Why not just allow it to play out and see if he/she falls for it? And, to be clear, I think it's correct jester play to come forward, but I don't get why anyone who mighttrulybelieve otherwise wouldn't also consider it anti-town to give the jester strategy tips.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Care to come up with a legitimate reason why? Keeping in mind that 1) I was at Thespival and 2) I had no idea mith was going to kill the trap minutes after I posted?Battle Mage wrote:Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Not completely sure, but the only other scummers NOT on my list who were there (as far as memory and the group pic serves) are:
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My vote rocks. So hard.Dani Banani wrote:just checking in... sorry i haven't posted recently, but my weekend got crazy quick... short story, i'm recently working 2 jobs... still trying to figure out time for myself... i'll do a re-read Tues. or Wed... Thurs. at the latest...Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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hasdgfas: I just checked through and it seems that the players who've said that word in their posts (not in quote boxes) are Captain Bandwagon, curiouskarmadog, Iammars, and petroleumjelly.
I'd like to know if justsayingit is enough or if it has to be in a certain format. If formatting is necessary, we should do a test of just a few people -- if just saying it is enough, four have already done so and I'd rather wait to make sure they don't start acting weird(er) before joining in the praise meeting.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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My response is: I think your vote on QuickBen is understandable. I think QuickBen's frustration with you resulting in suspicion is understandable. I think that the reason this gambit has "distracted the town" is that those who understood it have had to spend time trying to get those who didn't to be quiet and give it time to work.
I think you need to stop making this entire game about you and vote Dani Banani.
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Hey! That was me!Monkey wrote:Oh and Battle Mage, as someone once said on this site ...why not let the votee take care of himself?
al_ko -- your "play hasn't seemed as strong..." comment is not supported by the facts of my recent participation in any game. I don't lurk, but neither do I feel the need to be "miss prolific." If something needs to be said & it hasn't been said yet, I'll say it.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Though I'm not interested in switching my vote from Quickben (who's truly lurking -- posting elsewhere while saying he'll get to us "asap" 5 days ago), Holy's starting to look rather questionable to me. Her last few posts kind of confused me so I did a pull of all her posts -- they're kind of a study in blend.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Pooky -- House only neededthreevolunteers when he played this game (second paragraph).
I'm curious if youRossWilliam wrote:i'm curious about your findings on Holy, Meme. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now I'm going back and really dissecting her game history, similiar to what pj suggested I do with quickben. It's not as interesting per say, but i'm still interested to see if your thoughts parallel mine.haveany thoughts or if you're just hoping to echo mine...in which case you'd be screwed because I already announced my findings on Holy: "they're kind of a study in blend."Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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How hard did you laugh when you realized it's dayQuickBen wrote:LMAO again as I realize that MeMe has never once failed to vote me on day one of any game in which we both played.two?
Feel free to start a club.Iammars wrote:I see no problem with MeMe having a fanboy.
And Talitha -- I onlylookas though I'm voting away from bandwagons because the ones I've started have gotten so few joiners.
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I'm here, reading, and posting regularly. That doesn't fall into any definition of lurkingJDGA wrote:About the others, MeMe is simply lurking (very annoyingly), Holy is kinda looking newb town, BM is looking town as well, and I gotta go now because Mum's being REALLY INSISTENT so I'll finish this post in about 3 hours. Sorry! and Bye!I'veever heard. Of course, your definition of "3 hours" is different than mine as well...Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Walkthrough of my vote for you:farside22 wrote:Well I didn't care for MeMe's comment. She just votes without reason. Do I sit there and just take a vote without commenting on the lack of reasoning? It's a piss pour vote and without reason. She's been too quiet and it irks me that some people are getting away with doing that.
First, I voted you because I thought the Pooky-provided reason was decent. Then Iunvotedyou post-claim and suggested QuickBen as a possible counter-wagon. When questioned why I chose QuickBen over JDGA, I responded...
Then, when I switched back to you, I reiterated the reason...MeMe wrote:I'm a little afraid he's the jester -- to come in, accuse me of "lurking," and then disappear? Makes me nervous because it seems like he's just begging to be lynched.
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Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.because he might be the jester and I'm pretty sure YOU'RE not. Get it?
See, lynching the possible jester = not an acceptable risk. So, it's not about you or JDGA being scummier, it's about the fact that I don't think lynching you can result in losing the possibility of town finishing in first place. Seeing as I'm "too quiet," you've really got no excuse for completely missing my twice-stated reason for voting you -- as you pointed out, it's not as though I've been hiding behind a wall of words and you couldn't simply FIND what I've said.
Looking back through your posts, I find your reaction to my vote as rather unfair. I'm not the only one voting for you, and I've given a very clear reason. Why, for example, haven't you gotten all pissy about Talitha's vote on you? Bonus for the fact that she's posted even less often than I?Note: I am NOT saying I necessarily consider Talitha suspicious at the moment -- I am pointing out that farside's irritation, if honest, should also be pointed at Talitha, who fits her stated criteria at least as well, possibly better, than I.
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Plurality-- just more than anyone else has. Am I the only one who missed that completely?
And seeing as I was unaware that mith had named any of the card images on the site and I've been here for way longer than four months, I'll take my vote off.
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I haven't "flirted" with voting her, I actuallyTalitha wrote:The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me toohavevoted her. I unvoted her because:
1) I remembered the cards from MeMeMeet/Thespival and thought that, since she hadn't attended, she must have been PMed the actual card...only to revote her when Sarc pointed out that her claim could've easily come from mith's thread on cards.
2) unvoted her again when her non-fussy "didn't see the thread" explanation rang true to me since Ialsohadn't seen it (refer to #1).
I do find your explanation of how you were able to view the doc card to be pretty interesting and I get that scum would've been motivated to make sure they knew what a card looked like before false claiming (and even if I doubt that farside on her own would've done it, I realize that farside in a scum group may have beenhandedthe information by a scumbuddy). I do think the fact that farside didn't initially claim her card but seemed rather put out that no one asked her about it sounds more "ace in the hole" than forthright. I will be online much between now and deadline & will keep my ears open (not an offer to follow Pooky blindly, but I can definitely change my vote before deadline).
Could be paranoia, or could be that you want to keep my name out there as a possible lynchee later. The three times you've mentioned me have been extremely "may/may not be scummy." Can't see much point in those kinds of statements -- if you don't have a feel one way or another on a player, why mention it?Talitha wrote:but that could possibly be paranoia on my part.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Nope. The two wagons two which I referred here were JDGA and farside22 -- and I've stated I don't want to be voting a possible jester, which I think JDGA could be. What's your confusion?Battle Mage wrote:
is this a bit of change of stance from your previous post?MeMe wrote:unvote: QuickBen
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I don't think anyone's forgotten that, ckd -- see 1) Sarc's post where he pointed out that mith had already said elsewhere on the site what the pic on the doctor card was and 2) Talitha's demonstration of how easy it was to find Thesp's doc card link.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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My post was a response to this one...Ameliaslay wrote:Question: Meme, can't remember the page ref. but earlier in the game in the discussion of alts you mentioned you thought I was the least likely to use one, any particular reason for that judgement?
And here it is, in its entirety...Battle Mage wrote:@MeMe- are you sure some of those on the 'NOT' list are not alts of people who were there?
So, I was considering a very small pool of players of whom you were the only one I didn't know for certain wasn't playing the game (Atticus and Dirge live in my house...mlaker and spork76 are family friends...Thesp's the mod...kristocker's too busy). As I said, I couldn't see you bothering to hide behind an alt, especially in a game in which your presence AS Ameliaslay would be desired.MeMe wrote:Not completely sure, but the only other scummers NOT on my list who were there (as far as memory and the group pic serves) are:
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There's no way that means "I investigated Pooky and found him to be innocent." Check the verynextpost al_ko submits...
And an earlier one (still Day 2) that questions Iammars' clearing of Pooky.al_kohaulec wrote:
Because you enjoy slaughtering your sheep.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Why wouldn't I be town?
Why twice publicly question the alignment of a player he knows to be town?al_kohaulec wrote:I fail to see how that makes Pooky protown. MoS can back me when I say we played a (I think it was C9) mafia game where he, though town, formed an elaborate plan that did not help the town. In all honesty though, I was scum that game and because of the information I derived from day, Pooky's plan would have been best for the town in that situation . Town still won nonetheless.
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I believe that everyone except for tyhess has posted since Pooky asked for those targeting Tally to reveal. That means at least one of the people he's claiming to have seen has been online since then...and either that player has decided not to say so or Pooky's making this up.
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You do understand that RW was asking about my findings on Holy -- not someone's findings on Holy and me both, right? Because that makes your "two playersBeep! Beep! wrote:3. Ross Williams
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Connecting the dots: "i'm curious about your findings onHoly,Meme. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now" Two players (Holy and MeMe) also named on farside's short and recent scumlist.alsonamed on farside's scumlist" point oddly made since I'mnoton RW's scumlist here.
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Great. Top of the page lends itself to evenmoremisinterpretation. Just to make sure it's clear:
Follow the link you provided, look two posts up, and you'll see that I was responding to RW asking me why I prefer voting farside to JDGA (you).Beep! Beep! wrote:
Of course. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 948#930948MeMe wrote:
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First -- there's no way that you could've possibly thought I meant farside. I said that the person in question had come in, accused me of lurking, and disappeared. I also reiterated a couple of other times (here and here) that I didn't want JDGA lynched because his joker likelihood seemed high to me. Your obvious intelligence coupled with your habit of misinterpretation is doing nothing to make me think you don't hold the jester card.
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As for dismissing your "case"? That's not a case -- it's just a bunch of words. Watch this, I can do it too:
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List maker -- something anti-town roles do all the time to look helpful. Lists obviously aren't honest or she'd vote those she names as her tops suspects.
Accuses broadly -- eventually one of her accusations might stick...but seems unconcerned who that actually might be. So, possibly just trying to piss enough people off so that she'll actually be lynched herself, making her jester possibility high.
Gets facts clearly stated in the thread altogether wrong or applies too much meaning to them (as in the case with al_ko "clearing" Pooky).
Demands specific content from others while stalling when asked to do the same. If the tasks are easy enough for her to think someone else should be able to do them, why are they so hard for her?
Chases the spotlight...which is another reason to think she holds an "important" role that doesn't need to protect itself (i.e. jester).
alko (cop) suggested that wolfcrier/Beep! Beep! be killed overnight for fear of being the jester.
Talitha (townie) thought that wolfcrier should be pressured because something was "definitely up" and later renewed vote on Beep! Beep! where it stayed until the end of Day 2.
Monkey (doctor) had his vote on JDGA/Beep! Beep! at the end of Day 2.
And, wow. That's actually quite a bit better than just a "collection of words."
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I will go ahead and blow down your word collection because I'm awesome like that.
Borderline slanderous. I've voted who I thought needed to be voted & unvoted when I thought that's what should be done. Most of my reasons (beyond early random) were stated in the thread and I've been consistent in my suspicions, documenting mind-changes when they occured.Beep! Beep! wrote:Wishy-washy
I'm reading/contributing and somehow managing to do so without verbiage. How cool is that?Beep! Beep! wrote:lurkerish
AndBeep! Beep! wrote:Keeps being mentioned by farside22youkeep being mentioned by people you claim to believe are scum -- can't accuse me for this "point" without accusing yourself for the same. So, this is looking like binder to beef up your paragraph on me.
Context is key here. My vote switch was to keep you (the competing wagon) from being lynched. Can you remember the reason I didn't want JDGA/you lynched? See, the reasonBeep! Beep! wrote:Deadline voted Monkey no explanation givenwasgiven, justearlier. And, just a little observation: how can you claim a vote switch that saved your role from being lynched as part of a case against me? Logic dictates that only a jester or scum would consider it against town interests to be saved...
I'll, once again, direct your attention to the fact that Talitha ended Day 2 with a vote onBeep! Beep! wrote:Talitha wrote: "So my vote is staying on farside - my gut just says she is scum. The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me too, but that could possibly be paranoia on my part. " Maybe that's why Talitha had to die.you.
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Now, to the thread at large: I'm thinking it's probably to the point that it's worthwhile to consider a couple of jester possibilities and direct night kills in their direction. If, say, the majority name me as most likely to be jester, we tell scum to kill me overnight and resolve to lynch me if I'm not dead in the morning...basically, we can control the mafia kill in this way (I know that scum might not "obey," but they also don't want the jester LYNCHED, so theyshouldobey). I've been thinking about what Talitha said about scum trying to look jesterish to keep the noose away and this should discourage that behavior or at least take away our fear of lynching them as, if they're not dead, they'rescum, as doc obviously won't protect the town's nightkill choice.
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hehe. Ihopeyou are not hanging on a small detail that was unclear to dismiss the entirety of my case.
You still have a LOT to answer for -- saying my case is "so far off the mark" and then only addressing the farside portion is pretty funny -- especially since you did soincorrectly.
...where did I say that you gave her a deadline? Nowhere -- but you know perfectly well that you DID pressure her.MeMe wrote:Demands specific content from others while stalling when asked to do the same. If the tasks are easy enough for her to think someone else should be able to do them, why are they so hard for her?Beep! Beep!, 14 minutes after her first request wrote:Please give three more. There are reasons why I asked for seven.Beep! Beep!, 5 minutes later wrote:If you had 3 more to pick from the 10 players that didn't make your list, who would they be? It's not that hard.Beep! Beep!, 14 minutes later wrote:
I've made my list of suspects plenty clear and abundantly detailed.curiouskarmadog wrote:
look forward to reading yours as wellBeep! Beep! wrote:
Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.farside22 wrote:I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.
I don't mind doing it again.
But farside goes first. 'Cuz I asked first.Beep! Beep!, 41 minutes later wrote:I reiterate. I have asked for 7 for a good reason.
And are you kidding with this??Beep! Beep!, 17 minutes later wrote:AFTER farside.
Not a minute before.
Like I said. There is a reason.
The only way no one's going to look back at the posts of a player "painted as the jester" who gets killed overnight is if they ARE the jester or scum.Beep! Beep! wrote: The take home message is that MeMe is giving the scum (a group I believe she might belong to) an "excuse" for the nightkill she might be planning as scum, i.e., by painting me as the Jester. Painted as the Jester, no one would look back at my posts after my death, and wonder if the scum feared I might have hit too many bullseyes, and had to kill me. *Maybe*
The reason lynches are a town tool is because the decision-making is public and by majority. What I'm attempting to do is make the night work thesame way-- if we direct the scum kill and it turns out to be a bad one, we have the opportunity to look at who was on the "jester kill wagon" and react appropriately,just like we can for a lynch. At the moment, the town & scum have a shared goal: make sure the jester doesn't get lynched, which makes the plan viable.
I'd appreciate anyone clearly explaining to me why this plan won't work. And, no, saying "she must be scum for suggesting it!" isn't the same thing as disproving its value.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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So, you have no problem with the plan? Just with the fact that it's being proposed by me at this time?
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Beep! Beep! this isn't aggression, but it's interesting you feel attacked. I corrected a demonstrable inaccuracy in your post against me. You then suggested I was dismissing your case, so I showed you how easy it is to fill space with words andcallit a case...only after I did so, I realized that there's actually quite a bit to be said about you (and mine wereactualpoints -- not just adjectives masquerading as points). I then went ahead blew all your other "points" against me down so that you'd be unable to pretend I was avoiding doing so.
Now -- you're strawmanning, for a second time, the deadline farside didn't get from you. It's not a point I made, but it seems to be the only one you want to address. Keep at it and people might start to think you're unable to defend against all the points that I actuallydidmake against you.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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