Food Fight Mafia - WHO OWNS THE SCHOOL???

[Gorgon]

Hi.

I never got my role PM when I agreed to replace, so I just forgot about the whole thing. I only just realised I'm actually in this game when I got a prod from DGB. I asked for my role PM though, so I'm now officially in the game. Guess I have some reading to do.

[Gorgon]

There's no time. Just throw your food on one of the top choices(besides me)

Let me guess - The guy with the highest bar gets "lynched", or whatever happens in this game at the end of the deadline, right?

[Gorgon]

The student covered will the most food will be sent home to shower.

Ah, found it. But it appears you're way ahead, ABR. Does it matter if I throw my food or not?

[Gorgon]

Okay ...

I only have three shots, and looking through pickem's posts using the magic of the Find tool, I see he's used two of them already. So here goes my last one.

Fling consommé at The Fonz

[Gorgon]

Forgive me cicero, for I know not what I do!

I'll be more careful with my food tomorrow, when I've actually figured out what the heck is going on here a little better.

Looks like a fun theme though.

[Gorgon]

Rereading, even the last 10 pages, takes time that I don't have. I'm going to bed any minute now.

Also, I did assume that people might want to know what kind of food everyone has.

[Gorgon]

Okay, I've read the game now, and feel quite embarrased over my entry into it. Thing is, from ABR's comment I thought there was some kind of pressure for everyone to throw all their food before the deadline. I picked The Fonz randomly, and didn't know anything about anyone's roleclaims. I know you only have my word for this, but this is the truth, although DGB can probably verify that I did indeed not get my role PM until just before I started posting in this game.

Anyway, the argument between BM and Skruffs is pretty bizarre and annoying at times. However, one argument that I felt was very convincing was the discrepancy between the way BM's and Skruff's BB notes worked. Therefore, I find it incredible to learn now that BM only tonight thought of asking for a clarification of the way his BB notes worked - not sure what to make of this, but it certainly doesn't look good. Then again, town-BM is often certain of things that turn out to be wrong, and he has admitted this mistake of his.

Regarding cicero's analysis of the deceased Lowell's attacks, it is an interesting fact that he picked on Gorrad that much. I agree that it looks a little over the top to be distancing, but he did start of doing this very early (which to my mind is a slight sign of possible distancing). Also, it's now clear that there are now most likely two scum groups, right? The administration scum who dismiss students, and the soup scum who boil them. This means that scum as well as town don't necessarily have to be fabricating their cases - scum could be attacking each other across groups. I must say that I got a bad vibe from Gorrad while reading through the game, so he could well be scum.

Unless some other dairy item got thrown at ABR, then the cheese doodles might be it.

In fact, I just looked up the nutritional information for "Cheese Doodles" and they contain calcium, in contrast to the other snack products from the same company, which suggests that cheese doodles are indeed a dairy product (at least in real life)

Interesting - and now Nightfall is dead, and the PR cannot be verified. IMO, Nightfall could have been killed for these reasons:

- ABR is scum, and didn't want his fabricated post restriction to be proven wrong (but then, why would he fabricate something like this in the first place? Hmm ...)

- Someone killed Nightfall in order to make ABR look bad (A stupid use of a NK IMO).

- Nightfall was killed because of good play/someone guessed he was Tar's mason partner (Most likely, I think - not discounting the other options, though).

Btw, regarding Tar's role, yesterday he claimed he had investigative powers, but today he has not revealed any results (only Nightfall's results). Why is this?

The theory of the player list is also highly interesting - we seem to have some strong evidence that people are indeed ordered by their roles (all three gossiping masons grouped together, and the specialised cops grouped together). It's kind of lame that this seems to be game relevant, but I guess everything that's useful for winning is fair game, so ckillor is definitely not a stupid lynch, if only to test this theory.

[Gorgon]

Tar ... I have indeed posted since replacing - a few posts, even. It is true that I've been less than active these past few days, but that goes for all my games. I friggin' hate to have to anwer for this, but I thought it would be pretty obvious that this is a busy season for most people. I especially dislike that you should have to ask whether I've posted or not, when this is easy enough to check.

And yes, checking the list, I do see that I/pickem was next to Lowell. This means (only to me, obv) that either the theory of consecutive scum does not hold water, or Lowell's group starts with him. This weakens the theory, IMO. Especially since I agree that ckillor's role both sounds plausible and, if true, not likely to be affiliated with the soup scum.

I would, however, like to hear whom ckillor has blocked.

[Gorgon]

Damn - I've lost track of this game. I've looked at it a few times, seen that there's lots of new posts, been daunted, and decided to post later. Sorry.

I see I'm under pressure to claim. That's understandable given the circumstances.

I'm Joy F. Spelling, spelling bee kid. I'm vanilla, far as I can see - no special powers mentioned in my role PM.

[Gorgon]

Does anyone else find it a little odd that ckillor claimed RB and yet he turned out to be what I assume is a vanilla townie? Quite

étrange

, is it not? What reason would he have to lie about his role? I'm so confused.

Not only that, but he gave a different name as well. Weird.

[Gorgon]

This game seems to be lagging, and we need to spice it up.

Here's something to chew on: Night two, two players were bashed in the head. Are there any 'motivators' or players that would help someone do more than one night action? If so, whoever they targetted ngiht two may have been scum.

Interesting point. Here's the list of deaths:

DAY 1
skitzer - Irreversibly traumatized, Nola Grand, Vanilla aka "town"

NIGHT 1
JDodge - Boiled in the cauldron, David N. Goliath, Slingshot Kid aka"town"
the silent speaker - Fired, School Secretary, Sabotageur of Bad Behavior Notes, and Protector against School Suspensions, aka "town"

NIGHT 2
Erg0 - expelled, Linus Smart, Administration Cop aka"town"
The Fonz (repl. PlaysWithSquirrels) - bashed in the head, Hans Tubbinger, Cafeteria Cop aka"town"
Nightfall - bashed in the head, Jessica Bumble, Gossiping Mason aka"town"

NIGHT 3
Gorrad - bashed in the head, Antonio Gentile, Peanut Allergy Suffferer aka"town"
vollkan - fired, School Nurse with Burn Kits and EpiPen aka"town"

We have one 'boiled in cauldron' kill N1. Sounds like soup scum. But why were there no kills in this manner N2, nor N3? Did the 'doc' get lucky both nights, or the killer blocked both nights ... or some combination. However you look at it, two nights of no killing are weird.

The firings and expulsions that take place, one per night, sound like admin scum. Nothing unusual here.

I'm not sure what 'bashed in the head' is, but it could easily be a SK. The two bashings N2 could be due to some sort of motivator, yes. Or some special attribute of the role, like an extra single-shot kill?

[Gorgon]

Well yeah - it very much seems like the mason-cops are naive. I find it hard to believe that they've used all their investigations on townies.

Anyway, what happened to BM? Did he forget about this game?

[Gorgon]

I have a sandwich?
I got a prod, requested by someone called Grogon. rofl

BM

That's me. I like grog!



Bring the Grog on!

P.S. No, I'm not drunk.

P.P.S. I wish I had some grog to throw.

[Gorgon]

I'm willing to vote Gorgon today. ^.^

There is no reason to assume that the cops are naive or lying based on their investigations, just because they have all received innocents. I belive Tarhalindur is scum, but that's because of slips he's made, but I'm not going to actively go after it yet, scum will eventually have to kill both of them, just because of the risk that they might be un-naive.

Anyone who was in ORK MAFIA should know that sometimes the cops just have horrible investigative skills; Shanba in that game 'cleared' the godfather n1, investigated townies the entire game, and finally found the miller.

Does anyone think they are a miller and would be willing to be investigated to check out that theory?

So, you're willing to vote me because I agreed that the mason-cops seem to be naive? I don't quite understand ...

There were further arguments offered, besides the fact that they have no guilty investigations. One of the strongest ones, IMO, was the fact that none of them have received guilty investigations, and thus I mentioned that. I could have written a long essay where I reiterated all the arguments offered, but I saw no need to.

Also - no, I was not in ORK MAFIA, nor have I read it. You may have wastly superior stores of data to support the assertion that this is not an unusual situation, but I do not. I'm not pulling the newbie card here, just saying that I'm less experienced than you. For example, this is my first large game ever.

Also, how was that assertion scummy? Why would scum be more likely to say it? You left that out of your accusation.

[Gorgon]

I agree that Gorgon's certainty of the gossips being naive points to the possiblitiy of him and probably one of those "cleared" being naive.

What do you mean? Is the second 'naive' supposed to read 'scum', perhaps?

As for your question, Skruffs, no I don't have any clear reason, per se, to believe any of the people cleared are actually guilty. I didn't even have a full grasp of who had been cleared when I said I believed the cops were naive.

I didn't f*cking think things this far. If you want to lynch me for that, go ahead. It's not like I'm in way too many games for my taste anyway.

I get why this is scummy now - it might have indicated that I have the hidden knowledge that one of the people cleared are scum, but it's not. There's of course little I can say at this point to convince you otherwise.

This is why I have been quiet in this game - I don't really know what's going on in it ... and of course the minute I say anything game relevant, it's blown out of proportion like it's a huge tell, just because it's not well thought out. I f*cking hate tells.

Regarding the foreign kids, I'm not sure all of them are town. It's just a little too simplistic to set things up so all the people with foreign language posting restrictions are town, IMO.

Anyway, if I had to vote right now, it would be Yamahoko. The questions that cicero dug up for him were actually quite interesting, and his reluctance to answer them is troublesome.

[Gorgon]

Anyway, this game started out with 24 people, which is a bit less than 30.

Are

you

paying attention, Skruffs?

[Gorgon]

I get why you're going after BM, Skruffs, and I also get why it's not working - BM is too erratic a player, especially when he's town. His scummy behaviour is too easily written off because of this.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that he' scum, though. Especially since he hasn't contributed much of value to this game for quite some time now.

[Gorgon]

Yamahako has an 'innocent' on him, though, right?

True. But if one assumes that the mason-cops are naive, this is irrelevant.

Not that I'm stating this assumption as fact

, but I think it's likely. I do at least think it's quite likely that not all of

three

mason-cops are completely sane. That's just way too overpowered.

Also, the cheerleader nature of the flavour is another indicator, IMO. If they're just gossiping cheerleaders, I'm not sure they'd make for such good actual investigators.

[Gorgon]

Tells are tells; they're important, but not that important.

But the biggest tell is lurkish, passive behavior.

Glad you agree. I agree with the second one as well, and know that I am guilty of passiveness in this game. I'm trying to change that now ... a plus is that I'm actually not as insanely busy these days as I was for way too long, so I actually have some time to devote to MS.

[Gorgon]

But I forget. Who cleared him?

I went back and checked. It was Tar, in his post 54.

[Gorgon]

Tar, I find it interesting that you should use the "IIoA tell" on me, when you got me mislynched as town recently in another game using the very same tell (that was actually the first time I heard of this tell). Not that I'm using it against you; I wasn't doing much good in that game - but still - I would think that this fact would give you second thoughts (btw, while the game is still ongoing, Tar and I are both dead in it).

Skruffs has de facto threatened an alpha strike against me, but he doesn't have much of an independent case against me, IMO. At least, not that he's stated out loud. There's the fact that I said I believed the masons are naive ... and not much else.

I want a full case against me from Skruffs, seeing that he's started to toss french fries at me already.

I will probably alpha-strike Yamahako. He's the best I got right now. I especially didn't like the way he put a lynched player on his suspicion list - you can't get sloppier than that. Of course, sloppiness is not necessarily the same as scumminess, but I think the correlation is there.

Although I must say that the lurkers are extremely annoying, and I suspect that scum hide among them. Yeah, I know that sounds like a cliche, but still ...

[Gorgon]

Trouble in the mason ranks?

I'm more than willing to believe that not all the masons are town. There just has to be

something

that blunts the power of three cops who can talk together at night. Also, there's certainly not that many players left, and the fact that with three kills, no mason was (again) killed makes me very suspicious of the masons. Although ... with only two kills night 3, a doc (or whatever they'd be called in this game) could have saved a mason, and this could have deterred scum from going after a mason last night, especially if they'd be thinking that the masons are naive anyway.

Identical targets on multiple nights is also not cool, whoever is to blame for this - although Korlash's explanation for the first instance (sanity checking) makes sense.

My suspicion of Tar stands, and is supported now by the fact that we have Godfathers, hence making cops of varying sanities pretty Bastard-Modish.

Could you explain this line of thought better?

[Gorgon]

Just a heads up. I'm still alive and all, but I'll be bogged down at a workshop all day. I'll try to post stuff tonight.

[Gorgon]

I'm not liking Yama all that much in this spat of his with BM.

Yama, what info exactly will it give the town if BM is lynched?

Also, how is BM claiming that BB notes =/= power role scummy?

[Gorgon]

Well, I like Yama slightly better now after his responses. I'm not sure about Tar, but it looks like if anyone's getting lynched today, it's him. So here goes.

Hurls aubergine at Tarhalindur

Chucks a fistful of macaroni salad at Tarhalindur

Tosses consommé at Tarhalindur

[Gorgon]

Why would we have 3 soup scum and only 2 admin scum?

Where did Yama imply that there is only one admin scum left?

yeah i see your point. I mean, with a GF out there for sure, and the likelyhood of no more goons, the innocent investigations on Yama AND MYSELF may not be conclusive.

Well, at least we can be sure that you're most likely not both scum. There's one dead GF and only two scum groups, so there's at most one GF left (since there's at most only one GF per scum group, right?).

Equally it is theoretically possible that Korlash is a scum mason, but i dont really want to consider that possibility atm.

I agree Korlash is not top priority, but why is the guy still alive? And why did he investigate Yama tonight? Lack of mason communication doesn't really cut it; Tar investigated Yama a while ago, and said so in the thread. I even recall digging up this fact in response to a question from cicero. Korlash's answers regarding this are less than convincing.

Equally it is theoretically possible that Korlash is a scum mason, but i dont really want to consider that possibility atm. lol

Only way that can be possible would be if I was the sk.

How so?

also, u might wanna update the OP. I keep expecting Jordan to show up. lol

Was he dead? Cause I don't remember him dying. Or was this a jest, perhaps?

Btw, a mass claim sounds like a good idea to me.

[Gorgon]

Isn't Korlash next in line to claim? Then me?

[Gorgon]

So I'm next. I've already claimed, but here it goes again ...

Joy F. Spelling, spelling bee kid.

Lunchbox:

1 x aubergine
1 x fistful macaroni salad
1 x consommé

Regarding Holy "Sweetheard student" - I'm not sure my own name means much in itself, except there's obviously a link between my name and the 'title' that follows it.

I am more bothered by the statement "Just a student". Like she has to put emphasis on the fact that she's 'just' a student ...

[Gorgon]

Are you fishing or only want to make sure the spotlight won't go after you, Gorgon?

Neither. I was simply suspicious of your phrasing and the intention behind it, and wanted to address that. I find your answer satisfactory.

Should have read, "

C'est idiot

to imagine why it was included in the main part of my role PM if I did not always have it."

And yes, if I told you that in the past two weeks I have lost my job, nearly broken up with my fiance, and discovered I can no longer afford the rent for where I am living and am currently scrambling to find a new apartment before my finances run dry, you would consider it an appeal to emotion. And apparently, wanting a little bit of privacy and not posting details of my personal life online are considered "holding out".

Please, don't set up questions where no matter what I answer you can reply, "That's scummy". It doesn't get us anywhere.

Thats not Appeal to Emotion. Its not even especially game related. -.-

I think he means you'd construe his complaints about RL issues as appeal to emotion on the basis that it might seem like an attempt to garner sympathy.

[Gorgon]

Blackberry replaced Foolinc. He never bothered faking a post restriction. (presumably, with a safe claim, he would have).

What do you mean? Blackberry used Spanish words in the two posts he made.

It must also be noted that foolinc was the first player to use a foreign language word in his post.

1) foolinc had a real PR that forced him to use Spanish words in his posts. However, his role, "Adolf Hillthor, Gym Teacher" doesn't indicate in any way that he's somehow Spanish/Mexican/whatever. This is therefore a baffling possibility, although not impossible per se.

2) foolinc decided out of the blue that he was going to fake a foreign language PR. This is an unlikely possibility, since other players then followed who had such a PRs; TheHermit/YosiP/Bamboomancer (French) and mneme/Sir Tornado/pulsewidth (Japanese). So either they both faked their PRs as well, or they are real. Neither possibility fits well with the assumption that foolinc faked his PR, IMO.

3) foolinc didn't have a PR, but his role PM stated that it would be safe to fake a Spanish language one, as there would be players in the game who had such foreign language PRs. I think this is a likely scenario. In this scenario, TheHermit and mneme are both likely town. However, it is also somewhat possible that one or both are faking their PRs. In this case, I would think it would be both, rather than just one, since it would be unbalanced to give just one scum group a fake foreign language PR'd player.

Perhaps one of TheHermit or mneme needs to be sacrificed in order to test this (since if one of them turns out town, I think it's highly unlikely that the other is scum), but I actually lean towards both being town. A 'safe' PR is something that makes more sense in the hands of a lone SK (as it's only fair to give him some tools in order to prolong his chances of survival, especially in a large game) than in the hands of a scum group. There remains the possibility that Bamboomancer and/or pulsewidth faked a PR without having any info about a 'safe' PR, but I tend to think it's unlikely.

To summarize, I find the following to be most likely ATM:

- foolinc/Blackberry had a 'safe' fake PR in order to prolong his chances of survival and blend in with the town. The town includes heHermit/YosiP/Bamboomancer and mneme/Sir Tornado/pulsewidth, who both have real PRs.

[Gorgon]

Also, here are the only two instances I found of PR failure warnings:

viewtopic.php?p=857483#857483
viewtopic.php?p=857725#857725

Note that both are directed at Yosip (Now TheHermit). I think this pretty much proves that TheHermit at least has a real PR.

[Gorgon]

Yeah, I think Yamahako is the best lynch.

Throw aubergine at Yamahako

Toss macaroni salad at Yamahako

Chuck consommé at Yamahako

[Gorgon]

To whom it may concern:

I'm on holiday, and have much less access to the Internets than I anticipated. I cannot say for sure when activity will be back to normal, except it will be on Monday at the latest.

[Gorgon]

I'm back.

Strange kills last night. I thought the basher was dead. However, this somewhat coincides with the strange kills N2, where there were two bashings, but no boiling. Perhaps the soup scum occasionally bash people instead of boiling them?

Anyhow, this weirdness aside, two kills means we have at least two scum alive, right? Problem is, I'm having a hard time putting everything together. I've been assuming that the scum have pretty equal powers, which would mean, for instance, that either both The Hermit and mneme were scum, or both were town. Now The Hermit has been killed and confirmed as town, I'm having a hard time seeing mneme as scum. Why would one scum group get a PR'd guy, and the other one not?

Also, Korlash is a mason. Again, why would one scum group get a mason, and the other one not?

One way in which this could make sense is if there's one from each scum group left alive. The admin scum would thus have three guys in all, and the soup scum would have two guys. In order to balance things, the soup scum would then have a PR'd guy or a mason. Could work I guess.

BM suggested a no lynch. Although it looks pretty damn likely that he is scum at this point, I think this may not be a bad idea. If there's two scum left alive and we lynch one of them, the other can just kill a townie tonight and win. Right?

[Gorgon]

Um - I came up with a theory that there were two scum as well. Of course, there could be three ... One scum group has a mason, and the other has a PR'd player. Point is there's at LEAST two scum left alive. Otherwise, how does one explain two deaths last night?

[Gorgon]

Mod, please replace me. I no longer enjoy mafia, and I am leaving the site. So long, and thanks for all the fish.