PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!
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Holy crap, I heard about the SAME Thing happening with a bunch of people in Fresno, California as what happened to us.
I will agree about the cops, but not necessarily on the docs. Otherwise the vig would be unstoppable, and it appears that the vig chose not to act last night, if that is the case?Gorrad wrote:The way I see it, there are three 'teams'- pirates, ninjas, and town, with a few possible people with alternate win conditions. There's probably a pirate cop and doc, as well as a ninja cop and doc- a fact supported by DGB's role. I'd also expect some kind of weapons dealer. Also, Thok, Guardian typically writes Haiku in early days- it's not a PR.-
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Lots to respond to, but it seems that people have already pointed all of those things out.
Speculating on the setup is not intrinsically bad - if someone says there is likely to be a role (like scum-specific doctor roles), that doesn't make a lot of sense, they should be called out on it.
I'm glad that claus pointed out the 'neck cut' as the pirate death... Looking at it, I have to say that it's just as possible that ninjas would slice someone as that they would beat someone up. I guess that it depends on the ninja.
Thesp- I guess I'm using 'burden of proficiency' here, but I doubt that someone as amazing as strategy as you would make such a slip and 'not realize' that everyone wasn't pirate or ninja. Even less likely is that you would think, as town, that intentionally doing that would *work* though.
I'm boggled, and that upsets me, because you're usually a beacon of sense... Just odd, though.
haikus:
Guardian: you were scum in open 19 and a miller in ork mafia, both games in which you used haikus: correct? Haikus don't seem to work for you very well.
Secondly: I was in haiku mafia, a game run by glork, and it was very easy to win because of the extreme limitations being forced to post in 34 syllables, at once, imposed. inasmuch, I am not sure why someone would intentionally limit themselves.
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Welcome to the game MGM, why did you put a sixth vote on gorrad?-
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Thesp:
Yes, I'm aware of that.
However, for town to play along, they would have had to have fake claimed scum.
Right?
And then, after town fake claims scum, to 'play along', even if regular scum 'slips', how would you be able to distinguish between the two?
It would add confusion, not remove it.
Guardian:
If you want haikus
Go ahead and haikus use
I could care less what you do to hunt scum, as long as it 'works' for you.
It *is* odd that you think using haikus is a scum tell with other people, if they are so effective for you, though.-
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Postulation:
Due to the subconcious prototypes of both Pirates and Ninjas, the only way someone could actually say any 'flavorish' type of greetings, for a first post, would be to say "Yarr" or "Arr" or "Shiver me timbers, rumbydumbledoo", etc...
Ninjas don't make ANY noise, ever, so there's no real way to start a game off by saying something along those lines.
Thesp is giving the taste you get in your mouth when you bite into a piece of bread and then realize it's fuzzy.
Also: Fonz's post at the top of page 7 smells to me like someone tryign to communicate with their scum buddies.-
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So are you "confirming" that the ninjas are bad guys?Erg0 wrote: Let me put it this way: if you'd received a PM saying "you are a ninja", wouldyouimmediately assume that the pirates were the good guys? Even if you made that assumption, would you stake your life in the game on it by playing the role in your confirmation post? I doubt you could truthfully answer yes to both of those questions, so your case rests on the assumption that Mars is much,muchdumber than you.-
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Good. Maybe it disconcerts the rest. Of the scum,, an game play.
fos : guardian and thesp
Consider this the 'beginning' of the shit you are going to get.
Thesp, you covered your 'slip' by saying you were trying to encourage scum to claim ninja or pirate.
Guardian, you explained the reason behind the case on iammars by encouraging people to make the assumption that ninja scum would think the opposing team was town.
However:
Both of these roles are protown.Mr Stoofer wrote:Players(dead):- MrBuddyLee - Luke Skywalker (Vig) - throat slit and beaten to death Night 1
- DrippingGoofball - Jack Aubrey (Pirate Finder) - forced to walk the plank Night 1
NOTE: In the above list, pro-town roles appear in black text; anti-town roles appear in coloured text.
Thesp: asking for a vig to kill someone, when one vig is already dead?
Guardian: Pirate finder: suggests they find pirates. Since it's a protown role, that suggests pirates are scum.
Thesp: neither role is a pirate or a ninja.
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Huh. I guess I was to busy BEING AWARE OF MOD REVEALED ROLES (apparently this is fos worthy) to notice that the argument on iammars. Is based on his confirmation post.
Thesp:
Why is looking at the roles of dead players "scummy", but directing power roles isn't?
And you bypassed the meat of my thrust: that you 'tried to get scum to claim' as one of the two titular groups *after* it became 'public knowledge' that a vig and cop (both town) were not either.
Based on you fossing me, and talking about the vig that is already dead, I am guessing that you are setting yourself up to claim that you hadn't looked at the day scene, and thus didn't know any of that..
Not checking out the facts about iammars's "arr" is my fault: my post was with the thought that iammars had started off the day with that post.
If we want to use confirmation posts as scumtells, why hasn't anyone brought up mbf's post where he said he would enjoy playing with mbl?
A) communication
B) I'm not saying that mbf is scum, but him saying it opened up the possibility of wifom by giving scum a target that most likely would not lead back to them (which, if mbl was cut AND beat up, infers that at least two parties did just that)
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I'm not dismissing anyone's opinions. If you haven't noticed, I'm engaging people when I do not understand their opinions.
It was a light hearted jab. I expect some backlash from it, but the point was that it's interesting that none of the site's most notoriously GOOD players are in this game. I was requested by pm to join in; I think it will be very interesng because it will be up to US to figure it all out. We have to step up and do the dirty work and hunt the scum; none of us are going to be able to just assume others will do the work for us, and that is great.
Guardian: I like your playstyle a lot but you have replaced out of how many games so far the last couple months? sorry if that seems critical.-
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I agree with you Thok mabout MBF and TSQ. The reason I brought up MB's thing (I had forgotten abuot TSQ's but it's just as 'valid') is because saying those things in the first place are anti-town. MB, even by saying he wanted to play wtih MBL, put a target on himself AND Mbl for scum to try adn take advantage of. TSQ did the same thing with DGB. Oh, and look, they are both dead.
I did not infer, or even mean to infer, that MBF was a scum who said that just to 'have an excuse' to kill MBL last night: I said it because it was just a not-very town thing to do oin the confirmation stage. Same with TSQ, and Same with Iammar's YARR post. I wanted to say it was interesting that MGM pointed out TSQ after I pointed out MBF and the discussion skipped right over MBF to TSQ, but, TSQ also took the bait and started responding to it.
THERE I CHANGED IT ARE YOU HAPPY NOW??!
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Ok, welcome back to the game MBL...
Do you think it's prudent to ask the doctor to protect you over Fritzler? After all, couldn't Fritzler continue to resurrect you, if you are killed again? Therefore, doesn't it make more sense to *not* direct the doc away from the resurrector?
Secondly:
Why did you fakedayvig Gorrad, instead of Thesp? You seemed to be equally magnanimous towards both of them.
I was at first worried that Fritz might be some sort of zombie-cultist type thing, or whatnot, but if MBL's role has changed, he can't kill anyone tonight. So hopefully you will successfully vig someone ASAP, MBL, so that we can be sure that you are stil a good guy. I don't imagine a scum resurrector cultist would be forced to publicly ressurrect, but, who knows.-
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Well, at least in the beginning of the game, may I point out something?
The scum can't crosskill, the first time they try. I'm presuming that MBL's target last night SHOULD have died, since he is a vig, and thus isn't subject to the cross killing rules.
However, knowing that, I just dfon't like Erg0's statement up above, that potential scum doesn't need to be lynched because they are 'likely to die' anyways. It just... strikes me as funny.
I'm nto saying that I disbelieve the mason claim, it's just a little twinge. I react to twinges.-
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Umm...
Hmm.
If you really think Stoofer would make a game that would be breakable by mass claiming, I'm sorry for you.
I appreciate the thought, but not mass claiming because it would ruin the mystery is very short sighted. Or.. do you think that the scum would claim pirates nad ninjas and thus be exposed immediately? Explain your reasoning there.-
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Re: Guardian beign town or scum and Thok's insistence withwhereal.
I do not want to have to deal with a Thok and Guardian end game situation like in Open 19, where Guardian was scum, and somehow made it to the end.
Guardian as scum:
-Pushed one mislynch (IH) the first 60% of the game and then retracted for the remainder, finding his voice only to help lynch anyone he possibly could.
-Tended to be sloppily accusative: some of the things he accused others of, especially near end game, were things he was doing himself.
-There was other things, too. Thok caught him, more than me. I actually defended him because he replaced Battle Mage and at that point I thought that when Battle Mage made sense, it meant he was town. (I've sense learned differently)-
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Guardian:
I think I already got in a discussion re: the whole confirmation before death scene stuff... I guess we are getting senile in our old age.
Twomz:
I've pushed lines of inquiry into one or two people, without voting them. Why is this something you think should be looked at?
Everyone:
Remember to have fun, and remember everyone else is having fun in their own, special way. There's no reason to get snappy in more than a joking manner, especially day one. If we all have a big burnout, interest will wane, the game will die. Nobody wants that.-
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Thesp:
You've again mentioned you thinking I might be scum, so I will again ask you why. You are still pinging hard on my scumdar, and you now appear to be scuttlling about like a cockroach. Speak up or I shall stamp on thee.
Trying to think of games with ksc0pe in them: bb mafia (scum) and meadows of sorrow (town?) are the two that come to mind, and ksc0pe died early in both of them...
Ksc0pe do you ever maake it to endgame?
Guardian, as scum, has much better staying power, and is more of a threat, in the hypothetical world of both being scum.
Tsq- I'm not buying the "we might lynch a townie, onoez" deal.fosthe tsq I know claims having a post-restriction as a townie in a normal mini.
In a huge game, on day 1, there's no reason to ever lynch a claimed power role, that I can think of.-
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This is bizarre. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond to, because Thesp is intentionally trying to not give me anything to respond to.
Just to confirm, this is what you have said in your last couple of posts, Thesp:Thesp wrote: I find myself uncomfortable with Skruffs, as I read through.Vote: Kaleidoscope, though my vote would be just as happy on Sir Tornado or Skruffs.Thesp wrote: I'm growing increasingly concerned with Skruffs, and I think he's highly likely to be scum.Thesp wrote:
No.Skruffs wrote:Thesp:
You've again mentioned you thinking I might be scum, so I will again ask you why. You are still pinging hard on my scumdar, and you now appear to be scuttlling about like a cockroach. Speak up or I shall stamp on thee.
Is this really an attempt at an Argument Through Repitition, Thesp?Thesp wrote:Unvote: Kaleidoscope, Vote: Skruffs.I will move/remove it in a heartbeat to ensure a lynch.
I am guessing it is because of this? That's the only time you've explained suspicion of me for any reason, and I'm really disappointed if you are actually using that as your basis. I'm gonna have to permanently remove you from my list, if so.
I think in that little discussion, it was much more likely you were scum, trying to tell other scums who to kill. The only thing is, you were at least continuing your earlier 'game style' of pretending not to have a clue of what was going on in the game. Fossing me after directing a vig, right after earlier trying to force townies to claim pirate or ninja, which, again, suggests cross scum-group communication. Then lay low for a while, then pek back up to try and do stuff without being seen.Thesp wrote:
I do find it noteworthy that you are acutely aware of who has died.Skruffs wrote:Thesp: asking for a vig to kill someone, when one vig is already dead?FOS: Skruffs.Small, but notable.
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Agreed : but then again, we know MBL's role, we know that as a jedi he'd probably use his light sabre to hack someone to death. The only way Guardian can be disproven is if MBL claims a kill and then a doctor outs himself to confirm a protection, as far as i can see. Even if MBL claims akill, it is theoretical that MBL was also roleblocked.
Thesp:
I'm as interested in finding scum as you are. It's very odd to say "I'm not going to say why I'm suspicious of you because you'll become self conscious" - the whole intent of that sentence, it would seem, would be designed to make someone feel self conscious. It sounds, the way you phrased it, like you are hoping someone ELSE will find a reason for you to latch onto, which you can then say "Yeah, that's it, there. *cough*" ... which isns't very fair for me; you appear to be tryign to find collaboration without allowing defense. If you really want to do that, to me, thene fine... I attacked you first so you are allowed to be as tricky as you want towards me. I just hope ou will *Eventually* sit up straight enough to be responsible for what you are trying to do. You're giving me a very oil, car-salesman like vibe right now, I *really* don't like it.-
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Thing is, Samwise was ... someone... not Bilbo... anyways, he was a hobbitt's best bud; the hobbitt was the main character, not Samwise.
Victor Frankenstien : Main character of the story Frankenstein.
Luke Skywalker : Main character of the 70s trilogy of Star Wars.
Jack Aubrey : Main character of Aubrey–Maturin series of novels by Patrick O'Brian ((Had to wiki this one))
And, if KSc0pe's claim is true: Bill Clinton; Main character of the United States, 1992-2000
Unfortunately, your claim is NOT that of a main character. I'm not saying it's a fake claim, because it's possible that your main bud is also a character in this game; but if there isn't, it seems much more likely that you would pick samwise as a fake claim, just in case the real bilbo baggins or whatever his name was IS in the game.
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Fake Names:
I don't know. In "Dante's In Fresno", the scum had a "Rolename Finder", which they could use to find if a role name was used or not. They would try to find names that weren't in the game so they could claim them.
In C&H everyone had a Role Name but it had no bearing on their role, since it was a mountainous set up.
In the Werewolves game, which was I guess a themed mod, the werewolves had no help in terms of what to claim. No power roles, and one kill per night. It was ridiculously over powered for town, who had something like three doctors, a vig, two cops, a roleblocker, unkillable townies, etc.
Meadows of Sorrow, scum were allowed to change other player's role names around, or their own, which made fake claiming almost unnecessary.
I don't think scum got fake claims in PS2SUX; we actually caught at least one scum (Romanus) because he claimed the same video game as another player.
So generally speaking, I don't think scum get fake claims in large themed mafia games, but it seems that there is usually, possibly, an advantage they have to get around it.-
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GOD that game pissed me off
One NK per night vs Super Doc, Cop w/ Guardian, 2xMason, 3x Townie (With unique role names), BP Vest (2-shot), Vigilante, REgular Doc, and Tooth Fairy. We had a mafia cop who we didn't know about on our side, and a miller, and nothing else. Adn it turned out the role names were all from a game that the mod didn't even tell us about, so when we fake claimed, the town could see we were lying. I didn't like that game.-
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I think he's calling out that you bread-crumbed discomfort without actually backing it up. So just saying you expressed it doesn't mean anything; again, it's just an argument through repetition. That you planned it ahead of time makes it less respectable, not more, considering the emptiness of it.Thesp wrote:
I thought I'd expressed my discomfort with Skruffs on a number of occasions prior. Am I wrong?cicero wrote:Thesp - an active player who I've talked about already. Most recently,I've found his 11th hour Skruffs push without reasons to be, as I said, a highly scummy attempt to distance from whatever lynch finally occurs on the chance that it comes up town.-
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I don't like The Fonz. (I mean, I like you as a person, just not in game ^.^)
I see possible Cicero/Thesp connection.
We definitely need more unvotes on non-large wagons and consolidation of those votes into one wagon.
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*******Xtoxm wrote:Guardian sounds sincere, and by the sounds of it scope is being unco-operative, sovote kscope.
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I can see Samwise Gangee being a tracker (for those that stated uncertainty about this role, he's a character from LOTR, tracker makes sense).
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I don't like the way he's trying to get Guardian lynched despite the claim I think his roleclaim fits and guardian looks town and now he's accused me too.
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Fine. I don't wanna lynch Guardian, and I think the RC wagon is better than the Thesp, soClaus wrote: Xtomx - you understand that your current vote on Thok contributes to a "no lynch" right?unvote vote Rosso Carne.
I know where my suspicions lay, for now.
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I'm curious as to what the night scene means. Did Rosso survive being lynched or did the lynching machine break, or was he immune to being lynched, or was a mayor involved? IF someone intentionally prevented a lynch, day one, they are kind-of-likely to be scum.Mod : Would 'lynching' be considered a 'faction' that scum have a one-shot immunity against?
Sorry for the misunderstanding re: the ninja protector, I didn't look at the front page before assaulting guardian. Agreed though re: shanba; Guardian needs to make that decision himself. If someone targetted a still-living player, they are most likely a PR (unless the scum have other power roles).-
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Also:
This wasn't adressed yesterday, but is there anyone else who would like to 'vouch' for Guardian's Samwise claim? Perhaps Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf, Sauron, etc?
Anyone from that universe at all?
Stan Laurel - Partner of "Oliver Hardy", Hale and HARDY person, etc...two person team who had a series of moveies involving their encounters with various people n monstes.. i remember the one with a werewolf and the invisible man... anyways...
Bruce Lee - had his own chain of ninja movies, though I doubt that he was ever a secondary character.
Luke Skywalkeer could 'theoretically' be considered a ninja, (I'm not saying he is scum, merely that he fits the theme), but on that line of thought, Han Solo could be considered a Pirate... Guardian's claim suggests that MBL's should have been obi-wan or han solo, etc.
hum.
Fonz : Seems to be acting generaly more helpful than he was as scum in Open 35.
Thesp : Broken.
TheStatusQuo : Useless, but that's standard. He fake claimed a post restriction in my normal mini game once, just for fun, and as an experienced player that kind of broke my 'treat this guy as earnest' meter on him.
Thok : Ambivalent, however, he just called out a HUGE guardian scum tell from Open 19 - remember in Open 19 when you let Aimee get lynched because you were 'too busy' thinking IH was scum to move your vote to Romanus? Yeah, thok just called you out on doing that again.
Erg0 : His mindset, as he displays it anyways, is pretty similar to mine.
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EH.. I mixed 'martial artist' with 'ninja'...
and if chuck norris is not in this game, I will be VERY disappointed...
UA: You're being amazingly unhelpful.. why are you shutting down that line of thought - you seem to think it's more likely guardian really is a power role than that he isn't, and yet you insist that you are probably 'trying' to make him llook like scum... which is it.. .are you suspicious of him or are you confident in him...-
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Remember how you were all anti-IH somewhere around day three or four... Romanus (your scum buddy) was the second leading wagon behind Aimee.
You continud voting IH (A non wagon), allowing Aimee to be lynched instead of Romanus, even though you said Aimee was most likely town AND that romanus was your second place scum.
Your reasoning was because IH was 'more scummy' to you, or some such.-
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MGM - read me and Guardian's last several posts before making assumptions.
Guardian already made the point I was intending to make; We don't know what a "goblin" is. For all we know, "goblin" might be hobbittese for "power role". On the other hand, it DOES explain Guardian's secondary name claim.
Twomz, actually, I just did some googling for you:
Samwise may be a "Goblin Miller".-
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I'm trying to wrap my head around Twomz's reasoning for claiming; presumably, if goblins ARE real, AND are *scum*, then there's a THIRD group. This is hurting my brain to think about. >.< MBL didn't kill n1, and he wouldn't have hit himself anyways, so it is possible that, if he was killed twice (and I think he was) that the 'goblins' are the third scum group?
I find it interesting how Ooba has Erg0 painted as scum in any of Guardian's possible situations.-
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This is a lot to process, but it looks like the scum are starting to lose their immunities to each other (yay).
I think mbl was in error to think that the goblin(s), or any scum, would target erg0; erg0 is the 'obvious' lynch choice today.
Big finger of suspicion on gorrad there: guardian had no reason to lie about erg0, and it seems the 'thok hate' was 'justified', thok must have indicated he knew goblins were scum in some way.
Posting from my phone, my next post will have quotes and research. Hooray for lynching scum!-
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hey gorrad, did you notice that Thok was also bludgeoned? Which is indicative (since the other three styles of death are all flavor based on ninja, jedi, and pirates) that he was killed by goblins?
Which suggests that maybe Guardian was trying to get his partner (who presumably knew erg0 was targetted and was likely to be lynched) to target Thok?-
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Also note: Anyone who wants to answer this, feel free:
Both the dead goblin and the dead pirate are in the 'dead list' by name only. The name infers the alignment, but there's nothing indicating role. All of the dead black players have roles behind their name, though. Is there some reason why the scum's roles aren't being revealed?-
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I'm pretty sure that Erg0 is a good lynch.cicero wrote:I can think of at least one reason why scum would know who else is scum though...
Beautiful house of cards element to this game.
I also am down on a Thesp lynch; even more so than Erg0; the quiet cop fingering is enough to justify it to me. IE I don't have to feel like I'm just saying he's scum just because he's been voting me since the beginning of day one.-
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THe reason for Guardian's hate on you vs his hate on Thok is completely different - He hadn't claimed to have targetted Thok. His reveal on you could very well, and most likely WAS (Knowing guardian) a "I'm taking you down with me" gambit - for one thing it puts attention on you and less on his partner(s).
With Thok, it's not nearly as much a case. Maybe he saw you as scum and so thoguht thok was your partner.-
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This sentence works if you replace all instances of "Scum" with "Town", too.The Fonz wrote: If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.
FOS
UA to the rescue!UltimaAvalon wrote:It says Townie. Not Vanilla Townie.
FOS
Double play! Distract from Erg0's 'slip' and try to direct competing scum groups as well!Gorrad wrote:We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and,with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.
DOUBLE fos!-
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I can fos anyone I want, Claus.I realizethat in the heat of the moment, I forgot that he was the other mason. My fos wasn't based on that.
However.
Regardless of if he is confirmed, It's really scummy to be trying to tell people to kill me, considering I don't remember him actually saying he thought I was scum earlier in the game.
Gorrad: Why would I vote you? I am happy with my fingers.
FlameAxe: Fos's noted.-
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