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ANALYSIS:
Monkey
Lurking and non-committal, overall. Nothing jumps at me. Therefore, Mastermind's vote, and Sarcastro's votes are suspicious, like they are hiding behind a dark horse rather than compromising themselves on the lead wagon, which would be me.
al_kohalek
Very active, positive contribution. Seems even more pro-town than Monkey. So I have to wonder why Battle Mage and curiouskarmadog are voting for him, and these two are suspicious for the same reason Mastermind and Sarcastro are voting for Monkey.
Sarcastro
In contrast to the other two players, Sarcastro is all over the place, and strikes me, alternately, as manipulative, stochastic, buddying, etc. Since his Monkey vote is suspicious, I will vote for Sarcastro.
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CLAIM: Vanilla.Talitha wrote:Beep Beep seems more suspicious of the people who are voting for the players who aren't her than she is of the players who are voting for her. This doesn't seem naturally town-like to me.
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So no big deal if you lynch me, because I am not a power role, and no power role is being outed.
My wagon is not so big that I think there is a lot of scum on it. This being said, I do believe that Pooky's vote on me IS scummy. Less so for the others.
I looked at the other lynch candidates to figure out what the best strategy is to place my vote.
Yes, I am more suspicious of people voting for players that I see are very pro-town. I don't think my predecessor was especially pro-town.
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Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin
RossWilliam WAGON
petroleumjelly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), al_kohaulec(town), Battle Mage
JDGA(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22
Beep! Beep!(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22, Talitha(town), PookyTheMagicalBear
Monkey(town) WAGON
Mastermind of Sin, Sarcastro(town), Holy, MeMe, PookyTheMagicalBear, al_kohaulec(town)
Pooky was on FIVE of these wagons
Farside/CB was on THREE
Pj on TWO
Mastermind on TWO
hasdgfas on TWO
RossWiliam on TWO
Pooky's bandwagon vote on me yesterday was very suspicious. I also see the case against farside. Farside might only be more careful than Pooky. I would be willing to vote for wither Pooky or farside today.
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Did farside actually claim Doctor? Is farside referring to this game, or an actual Thespical RL game? The wording is too strong to be a breadcrumb. Was Monkey at rish of being lynched when she made that statement?
I'm asking this because I checked Monkey's posts, and nowhere does Monkey vote against farside. Nor did Monkey counterclaim.
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Sorry, I missed that farside wagon. I have revised my analysis.
Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin
RossWilliam WAGON
petroleumjelly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), al_kohaulec(town), Battle Mage
JDGA(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22
farside WAGON
PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), Talitha, RossWilliam, al_kohaulec(town), MeMe, curiouskarmadog)
Beep! Beep!(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22, Talitha(town), PookyTheMagicalBear
Monkey(town) WAGON
Mastermind of Sin, Sarcastro(town), Holy, MeMe, PookyTheMagicalBear, al_kohaulec(town)
Pooky was on SIX of these wagons
Farside/CB was on THREE (out of 5 because one wagon was on her)
RossWiliam on THREE
Pj on THREE
Mastermind on TWO
hasdgfas on TWO
MeMe on TWO
I don't believe in the "two doctor" theory.
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Just a memo:
al kohalec only had one investigation. Since he voted/FOS'd the below players, none of these were the one cleared innocent. I reckon it doesn't give us much information, but here it is.
farside
Ross William
CKD
Sarcastro
Monkey
This is jumping the gun a bit. But assuming that Pooky is town (I have a hard time to believe that scum would be so blatantly wagonny) and that farside is scum, I have looked back at the previous days wagons:
Scum Scores:
With farside as unknown alignment
95 PJ
91 RossWilliam
88 hasdgfas
78 farside
53 MoS
50 BM
33 MeMe
33 Holy
33 karma
20 Iammars
With farside as scum
116 RossWilliam
108 PJ
83 hasdgfas
66 MeMe
58 MoS
58 karma
50 BM
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Based on a combination of wagoniness and the redundant doctor claim.curiouskarmadog wrote:but you think farside is the scum based on what?
You're correct, I am going to have to redo all my calculations.curiouskarmadog wrote:I think you are deliberately misrepresenting the numbers here. You talk about the JDGA and Beep Beep wagon like they are two different people.
I must have grabbed a different votecount. But since I know myself to be a townie, it doesn't change anything.curiouskarmadog wrote:Why is it you deliberately take wolf out of the line up on this wagon? Maybe because you replaced in for wolf/jdga?!
An oversight I have since corrected.curiouskarmadog wrote:Also in your first analysis you didn’t even include the farside wagon?Beep! Beep!-
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Please provide a link to the post where a player is pointing out that you should have been nightkilled las night. I am not seeing this post.farside22 wrote: For those saying the mafia didn't kill me last night, why would they when Monkey came up doctor.
But now that you mention it, if you are a second doctor, the scum would have killed you rather than take a chance on some other player that might be doc-protected.
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That's unfortunate.RossWilliam wrote:I can't even defend myself against your numbers cause you don't give me any way to do so.
If you were on the GS wagon, then I should add a few points to your score. Since you are in the lead, it makes no difference.RossWilliam wrote:So you've conjured this information out of thin air, and than you left me of the greasy spot wagon.
That sentence is not something a townie would write.RossWilliam wrote:If I vote you, I look like I'm bussing.
It is a system. If you notice, each score can be made up by adding the numbers 20, 25, 33, and 50. It is not abitrary.RossWilliam wrote:So please, explain yourself. What the hell are scum scores?Beep! Beep!-
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@ farside, in this post :
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 815#925815
you voice a short a analysis of a number of players.
These players are:
Sarcastro(town), BM(unknown), Talitha(town), Alko(town), MeMe(unknown), CKD(unknown), Wolfcrier (town), Holy(unknown), and Pooky(unknown).
Players that you have omitted from your analysis: WHY???
RossWilliam
PJ
hasdgfas
MoS
Karma
If you turn out scum, I would bet that at least one of BM, MeMe, and CKD is your buddy. I'm not putting Pooky on the list for unrelated reasons. I cannot give them an actual score number for this increased suspicion, because it's different from the other system.
@hasdgfas- Since I think you are scum, I'll wait until a player that is more likely to be a townie asks me. I am sorry, but I am going to have to ignore your questions if I think my answers might give scum some hints.Beep! Beep!-
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I didn't realize that hasdgfas had a post restriction. Could he be faking it?
@farside
It is interesting that you find all the players on my list to be either neutral or pro-town. Not a single one even slightly scummy.
When I make my analysis, I try to find scum. I know my own alignment and make use of that information. If I don't, I will be less effective. The rest of you are free to make your own analyses, peg me as 'unknown alignment' and yourself as whatever alignment you know yourself to be, and draw your own conlusions.Beep! Beep!-
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Both claimed Doctors claimed Star Trek's McCoy. There is no indication that either is a backup, or that one is a nurse.Holy wrote:I don't think this game is so flavorful and need to have 2 doctors able to save at night at the same time, I'm not ignoring the possibility of a backup doctor in large game, but it's more likely there's a doc and a nurse than 2 docs since the beginning.
Are you trying shifting suspicion to me, there? ~.^
Both claims are for full Doctors, same character, same card.
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I am intrigued by the strategy of a doctor deciding not to protect the most obvious, and therefore most valuable targets - choosing instead a peripheral player that is unlikely to be targeted, and who might be scum (not cop-cleared, claimed, or the like).farside22 wrote:I thought about what people said about protecting those who were not an obvious target.
Should all doctors do this all the time? If not, what percentage of the time? Does the number of killing factor influence this number? If yes, in what way?
If the doctor is to protect a target that is not obvious (claimed cop for example), should the doctor choose a player thatdefends himselfwell, or a player thatscumhuntsaggressively?Beep! Beep!-
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It's important that we get rid of some scum today, so that we can have scum alignments confirmed, and we have some material to look back upon to find more scum.Battle Mage wrote:ooi, Pooky, do you think it is worthwhile for the town to lose 2 power roles at this stage of the game when things are already looking grim, in exchange for 1 scumbag?
With whomever Pooky points to, and farside, we might have two scum hits very soon.
Pooky's decision to out himself is correct. With 3 nightkills per night, he shouldn't wait to die with his information, which is a very likely scenario. Since Pooky himself came out, I am free to point out that I noticed that he was cleared by the dead cop. Pooky is a dead teddy bear walking.Beep! Beep!-
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Note to self:RossWilliam wrote:unvote
Farside claims Doctor #2, but doesn't get nightkilled.
Farside claims having targeted Ross Williams for protection because he was not a likely target.
Ross Williams shows up in my analysis as likely scum.
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My argument is three-pronged. You are ignoring 2 other important reasons why I believe that farside22 is fakeclaiming.curiouskarmadog wrote:Beep Beep, your theory is that because the mafia didnt kill farside this proves that he is scum?
(1) A second full doctor with the same Star Trek character is unlikely.
(2) farside22's choice to protect a player that would be unlikely to be targeted sounds like scum. Three people died Night 1. Three people died Night 2. With so many nightkills, you protect the player you find most townie, and most likely to be nightkilled. That's common sense.
(3) The fact that farside22 was not one of the three nightkills lends credence to the above two points.Beep! Beep!-
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Thy scum wants to know? Here you go:MeMe wrote:
Where?Beep! Beep! wrote:I am free to point out that I noticed that he was cleared by the dead cop.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 726#929726
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You are correct, I have miscounted the NKs on Night 1.farside22 wrote:
Question for #2. Didn't only 2 people die night one?Beep! Beep! wrote:
My argument is three-pronged. You are ignoring 2 other important reasons why I believe that farside22 is fakeclaiming.curiouskarmadog wrote:Beep Beep, your theory is that because the mafia didnt kill farside this proves that he is scum?
(1) A second full doctor with the same Star Trek character is unlikely.
(2) farside22's choice to protect a player that would be unlikely to be targeted sounds like scum. Three people died Night 1. Three people died Night 2. With so many nightkills, you protect the player you find most townie, and most likely to be nightkilled. That's common sense.
(3) The fact that farside22 was not one of the three nightkills lends credence to the above two points.
It does not invalide point number 1, which is how unlikely it is to have a full second doctor.
It does not invalide point number 2, which is that a claimed doctor protecting an "unlikely target" like Ross Williams - when we already have a dead doctor - is extremely scummy.
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I don't know. Maybe to make it less obvious, so that Pooky wouldn't be too obviously a nightkill? It sounds like a joke. If I were cop, I would never write a sentence like "Pooky, why are you town?" unless I wanted it to be interpreted later as a breadcrumb. As far as I can see, there was no hint of al_kohaulec clearing anyone else on Day 2.MeMe wrote:There's no way that means "I investigated Pooky and found him to be innocent." Check the verynextpost al_ko submits...al_kohaulec wrote:
Because you enjoy slaughtering your sheep.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Why wouldn't I be town?
OK - Just going out on a limb here, and bearing in mind that I don't expect a cop to write: "Pooky, why are you town?" without specifically intending it to be clearing Pooky, it is possible that he is merely questioning Iammars' logic. And he's still saying that Pooky's plan would have been best for the town... I'm not sure what he means there.MeMe wrote:And an earlier one (still Day 2) that questions Iammars' clearing of Pooky.
Why twice publicly question the alignment of a player he knows to be town?al_kohaulec wrote:I fail to see how that makes Pooky protown. MoS can back me when I say we played a (I think it was C9) mafia game where he, though town, formed an elaborate plan that did not help the town. In all honesty though, I was scum that game and because of the information I derived from day, Pooky's plan would have been best for the town in that situation . Town still won nonetheless.
So it's not so clear cut. But then again, Pooky has claimed a information role, one that might have a very good chance to lead to a scum lynch... so far, it seems to support that al_kohaulec left a breadcrumb. Would al_kohaulec have targeted Pooky as a player whose alignment very much needed to be confirmed? That would make sense to me.
More sense than farside22 protecting Ross Williams because he was an unlikely target, if you don't mind my riding the cute streak.Beep! Beep!-
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@hasdgfas - Your attempt to cast aspersions on me will fail, because I have provided plenty of reasoning for everything I have done, including my vote. Casting aspersions on players for reasons that are demonstrably misleading is scummy. Your claim doesn't give you a free pass.
@petroleum - Since you your name has floated on top of my scumlist following voting analysis, I rather you not get away with unreasoned votes and unvotes. This is the kind of strategy that you may employ in order to avoid later scrutiny. Is it not customary to provide reasons for votes or unvotes? Your asking this questions is a transparent attempt to get yourself out of a defensive position, into an offensive position. Fail. Fail, and please justify your farside22 unvote, there should be no need for other players to have to make special requests.Beep! Beep!-
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My vote on farside22 is independent of the scum scores. I've explained my vote for farside22 in detail.hasdgfas wrote:scum scores?
Hence your comment that I am "a pot calling the kettle black" when asking that petroleum explain her unvote is misleading. I did explain my vote. Many times, in fact.
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That scumlist ONLY looks at voting patterns.petroleumjelly wrote:^ Additionally, you claim that with Farside22 as unknown alignment, I am the top of your list; assuming that you do not know Farside22's alignment, your vote on Farside22 (who is fourth on your list) over myself (who is first) does not even make sense.
My vote for Farside22 is clearly based on the unlikelihood of a second full doctor claim, a claim identical to that of a player confirmed by death, a very odd night choice, the so-called doctor surviving a night with 3 kills, AND to some extent, farside22 showing up on my scumlist.
I am quite certain that you realize this, and that you realize it fully and completely.
Have I not explained my vote at length, and repreatedly?
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I've made my list of suspects plenty clear and abundantly detailed.curiouskarmadog wrote:
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Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.farside22 wrote:I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.
I don't mind doing it again.
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You haven't read my posts. Three sentences is peanuts, BTW. I note that you are trying to discredit me by making it sound like an unreasonable demand.curiouskarmadog wrote:no you have not...you are asking far to provide a scum list of 7 people with 3 sentences each..which is ridiculous, and you have done nothing close to what you are asking of him...he has provided 4, you can provide just as many, and remember no less than 3 sentences...
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Yep. And that's the only thing that makes farside22 look scummy?curiouskarmadog wrote:note whatever you want. your request was unreasonable...there are 14 people left in this game and you wanted him to provide a scum list of 7 (that alone is just silly). And you want 3 sentences each why he thought they were scummy..he provided 4, but you are trying to make him look scummy, because he doesnt have any other suspects.
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I wanted to compare with what you wrote on Feb 8. I didn't like that post much, because it lacked clarity; purposely?
Sarcastro is dead, and was town. These comments try to make Sarcastro look just a bit suspicious, but a excuse for Sarcastro is made at the same time.farside22 wrote:Sarcastro-How is it that someone can come in and hammer without suspicion just so they can have time to read? Joins bandwagon saying he agree with Pooky.Disagrees with Monkey about what I thought as well seeing his voting pattern. Seems people think he is just that way.
Tries to make BM suspicious for "looking like he knows Sarc is the jester" - BM, or any other player, couldn't "know" Sarc is the jester. Take home message from farside: it's not a bad idea to take Sarcstro seriously. This says absolutely nothing about BM, or anyone else, really.farside22 wrote:BM:How do you know Sarc is the jester? What lead you to that thought? Scummie looking is hard to ignore. Someone taking him seriously is nothing to be harsh about.
Talitha is dead, and was town. Pretty much an activity report, and little more than a vague approval.farside22 wrote:Talitha- Out often. Checks in. Hasn't offered anything. Posting just enough not to be replace. Blah. Wait finally got something. Not really getting everything she is saying, but mostly good comments made overall.
Alko is dead, and was town. Farside disapproves for Alko's attack on RW. That one rare clear message here. Chides CKD for letting Alko easy on what he describes as a failed attack on RW by alko.farside22 wrote:Alko:Why was RW wrong for attacking Sacro? He voted really without much of a reason. Post 577 trying to justify comments about RW was not answered well. Looks like he got trapped by his own comments and has no way to really get out. I just feel he is getting off too easy and CKD allowed him to.
MeMe who is on my scumlist, was also mentioned today in farside's shortlist. Pretty much a report on activity and little else. Approves of MeM attacking of Holy. Holy is also on farside's shortlist today.farside22 wrote:MeMe:Post 567 sounds more like she is lying back and watching then playing. Less talk from a player mean less information. Lurkering without comments are thoughts leads to thought of you being scum. Few other comments. Pretty much called Holy out for what she is doing too. Blah.
Disapproves of CKD's approval of Alko. Noticed that CKD has contrary opinions. One of whom seems to be to find farside town. Any read on CKD being the jester perhaps?farside22 wrote:CDK:What part of Al-Ko post 577 was adequate? Really the only one to say it was adequate and joined this game of Pooky's. Really don't get the game.
That's the guy I'm replacing. Basically saying nothing in 4 sentences. See, it's not that hard...farside22 wrote:Wolfcrier:Post 586 offered next to nothing in scum hunting or pro-town. Wait I see he is new. Maybe he just doesn't know how to look at things all around. Replaced so will wait to see what replacement says before coming to any real conclusions.
Report on activity only. Approves of Holy's attack on Monkey (town) and Holy is also named on farside's suspect list.farside22 wrote:Holy:not much offer. Best thing she did on her own was note Monkeys comment. Seems to lay low and not say much of anything.
Seems most upset with Pooky, mostly based on self-defensiveness.farside22 wrote:Pooky:I'm confused by your game. How does lynching me show who is town and who is scum? How is sarcastro pro town for voting with you? How do you gain information from the people you chose. It seems very random way to do things.
From my read it seems so people were just let off the hook without really any follow thru. Most of my read I felt 3 people really stood out for different reason's. However my top suspect is al_kohaulec
From farside's comments, the worst thing Alko did was to attack Ross William.farside22 wrote:Unvote: Vote: al_kohaulec
Farside say he has top three suspectsbut only names Alko, and follows through with a vote.
My conclusion is that the above is not truly an analysis, but obfuscation. Also, Alko, who attacked Ross William, was not lynched, but was nightkilled, though it's hard to speculate about nightkills. Farside names a lot of players (about half the living players on that day, which is why I wanted half the living players today). A couple of recurring players (for no apparent reason) are MeMe and Holy. These two players should be watched, along with Ross William - if farside turns out to be scum.Beep! Beep!-
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Of course not. But I am comparing, and I am analyzing the type of comment you were making on players whose alignment we now know for certain.farside22 wrote:Was I supposed to mention people that were dead.
Yesterday, you seemed to have no trouble making a long list of players, and writing up 3 sentences. Today, it seems a difficult task.
Your vote smells of desperation. Your claim that I asked that you include dead players in your list is transparently preposterous.
Again you mention Holy and MeMe. But you end your post entreating us only to look at Holy. I'd bet a dollar that if you're scum, MeMe is your buddy. Could be Holy, though. But I'd lean towards MeMe, and RossWilliam.Beep! Beep!-
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No need for you to come hard against me, you can always nightkill me! Try to make yourself look good now, for when I turn up a dead townie tomorrow morning. Good strategy!RossWilliam wrote:But the more I reflect on it, the more I realize that I might just be projecting ill-will on Beep Beep because she keeps targetting me. I'm gonna keep my eye on her, and try to determine if the gut objection i'm feeling towards her is tactical or emotional, because it wouldn't be smart or fair if it's the latter. I'll be careful, I promise. For now, farside will do.
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Is there a strategic reason for you to hold you vote right now?Holy wrote: Although I'm quite sure Farside is scum
Were my predecessors Jester-ish? Is there not a more efficient way to have oneself lynched, than to hunt scum? But thank you for recognizing that I am hunting scum.Holy wrote: BeepBeep might be a jester that finally decides to help us hunting scum.Beep! Beep!-
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Not if he expected to be counterclaimed. Then he would have expected to be lynched on that day, or the following day. Although - he'd have a 50-50 chance of being nightkilled or vigged, so it's a gambit he wouldn't try unless very close to being lynched.curiouskarmadog wrote:Iammars, I agree with BM, the doc claim saved his ass, I doubt a Jester would have wanted to save his own ass.Beep! Beep!-
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I have to give the Jester possibility the consideration it deserves, as well as the possibility that YOU may be the Jester. I interpret your post as an attempt to make it look like I am not giving this game any thought. I have to wonder why you'd even try, since there is no chance of you convincing any townie.curiouskarmadog wrote:
what do you care, you think he is the lynch for today...Beep! Beep! wrote:
Not if he expected to be counterclaimed. Then he would have expected to be lynched on that day, or the following day. Although - he'd have a 50-50 chance of being nightkilled or vigged, so it's a gambit he wouldn't try unless very close to being lynched.curiouskarmadog wrote:Iammars, I agree with BM, the doc claim saved his ass, I doubt a Jester would have wanted to save his own ass.
The rest of which post? As for the list, I've already mentioned that wanting to do a good job, I cannot do it until tonight.curiouskarmadog wrote:also, still waiting on you to address the rest of my post.Beep! Beep!-
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What if he counts on being counterclaimed?PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Let's see, Jester about to get lynchced on day one, what should jester claim?
OOH OOH I KNOW
JESTER SHOULD CLAIM DOCTOR.
It wouldn't be abrilliantstrategy, but it wouldn't be the first half-baked idea in the history of mafia. Or the last.Beep! Beep!-
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That's a pretty boring exercize but I'll humor you.curiouskarmadog wrote:this was the post...please address the rest of it.curiouskarmadog wrote:you mean the "majority thinking" and "common sense" that lynched Monkey? Please Beep, what opinions do I hold that are contrary to logic? That we had a claimed doc yesterday. That doc wasnt killed last night by mafia OR the vig OR the SK, so that means he has to be scum? If indeed farside is the doc and the mafia didnt kill them last night, what arguement do you think they would be using today to get him lynched? I believe the claim, he knew about the McCoy card before the McCoy card was shown...I know some link has been shown where you can see the card, but how did he know where to find that link? I didnt even know there was a link that had cards. Please explain your theory on this Beep (and anyone else).
There is plenty of scum in this game, which taint the "majority" opinion.
There wasn't a solid case on Monkey as there is on farside22, and there was a deadline looming. "That doc wasnt killed last night by mafia OR the vig OR the SK, so that means he has to be scum?" Yeah, pretty much it does, since the cop wasn't dead yet. Extra incentive to kill the doctor.
The "all-out" way you defend farside22 appears increasingly Jester-like to me. Your "arguments" are not cogent, but un-focused bluster. It's as if you are trying to get a reaction, more than you are trying to convince. I don't believe you are actually trying to persuade anyone of anything, other than yourself being a good lynch. Only a Jester would do that.
And only a Jester would keep on attacking a player (myself) who has shown herself to be on the aggressive side.
The links to find the images could possibly be figured out by looking up the image's properties (right-click on mouse) and find where the image is hosted. Then find the root directory. Piece of cake for a web-savvy player. I don't know if that's the case here, but there has ways that have nothing to do with one's alignment. I don't understand what you're suggesting.Beep! Beep!-
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1. Farside22
Second full doc claim. Was not nightkilled. Chose to protect a player unlikely to be targeted. Badly playing his Jester role?
2. CKD
More and more, I suspect may be Jester. See post above.
3. Ross Williams
On account of vote analysis. Also: Ross William wrote the following: "Yes, I am interested in hunting scum. But other than pressuring has to break his post restriction, I haven't done much yet" on Jan 28. His excuse is noobness. Connecting the dots: "i'm curious about your findings onHoly,Meme. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now" Two players (Holy and MeMe) also named on farside's short and recent scumlist. Didn't do much except to vote and unvote hasdfgs, JDGA (me), Greasy Spot, yesterday, and try not to offend anybody. Today, mostly arguing with me, seemingly shocked that my analysis picked up his name, saying that we could have another doctor. And coincidence, farside claims to have protected Ross William. Why, oh why???
On Feb 22: "I'm very much against a farside quicklynch now. "
On Feb 23: "don't get cocky now, farside. I'm wavering on you, but you're definately not off the hook yet. Far from it."
3. MeMe
Wishy-washy, lurkerish, keeps being mentioned by Farside22. They also mention Holy a lot along with MeMe, but Holy seems rather noob town, so I believe they are draggin her in the mud as an easy target. Deadline voted Monkey no explanation given. Talitha wrote: "So my vote is staying on farside - my gut just says she is scum. The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me too, but that could possibly be paranoia on my part. " Maybe that's why Talitha had to die. Note to self: MeMe also mentioned QuickBen, like RossWilliam did. MeMe seems to think that there was a possibility that Farside22 may be the Jester.
PJ:
Made some well worded, but logically incoherent arguments against my list here. Strong sense of self-preservation. Challenged the Ross William wagon: "For those of you voting RossWilliam, please explain to me why you are voting for him – and then explain to me why you are voting RossWilliam over wolfcrier. " Interestingly, mentions in the following posts how he expects the town todistance. Todistance. Right after hedefendeda buddy? I wonder. Earlier still, PJ defended Ross William against al_kohalec (town).
hasdfgs:
Post restriction screams town. Behavior screams scum. Though he showed up pretty high on my scum score list, ill have to go along with town.
MoS:
A fluffy flurry of fluff posts. Made excuses for RW, approved something against Holy. Unreadable. Doesn't strike me as pro-town, just striving to be neutral.
Iammars:
A follower, not a leader. No significant contribution beyond agreement with the general sentiment. Flails in the prevailing wind.
BM:
I get a solid town vibe from BM. He's been focused, and paying attention, and he's not taking guff from anybody.
Pooky:
I get a solid town vibe from Pooky. His trap didn't work, but only townies would pull that kind of gambit.
Holy:
Though she keeps getting mentioned by players I believe may be scum, I get a town vibe from her.
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91 # RossWilliam - scum
33 # MeMe - scum
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33 $ karma - scum/jester/jester/jester
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20 ? Iammars - uncertain
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None. Mafia wouldn't care to attack claimed Doc #2. Because they can always NK him anyway, they don't need to compromise themselves during the lynch. And the cop is dead. Mafiosi don't have to worry about an unknown doctor protecting an outed cop with results every day.curiouskarmadog wrote:also, if Farside is indeed a doc, what case would mafia use to attack him today?
If I wanted to push a real easy lynch, I would pick YOU, not a player that has claimed Doctor. Especially since you are actively trying to provoke me, which I understand would be top priority for you if you were Jester. It's not going to work.curiouskarmadog wrote:You are scum, you are scum pushing an easy lynch.
If I were the Jester, why would it matter whether farside is the doctor? With 3 nightkills, I wouldn't wait until tomorrow to engineer my own lynch. I'd be lynched already. I might find an aggressive player, and try to antagonize him/her. I might also try to avoid making sense, and defend players that others agree are scummy, and have fakeclaims.curiouskarmadog wrote:...maybe Holy is right and you are the jester hoping that farside is indeed the the doc, so you take the blame tomorrow...if farside turns out scum, it is no skin off your teeth either.
No, I never bothered, because I assumed that Thesp would have fixed the loophole by now.curiouskarmadog wrote:Have you actually tried finding the cards yourself?Beep! Beep!-
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I am more certain that Farside22 is scum on account of the claim, his night choice, and the fact that he wasn't nightkilled.curiouskarmadog wrote:so if you think that PJ, RW, and Meme are scum, and farside might be a jester...what is the wisdom in lynching farside when you have three other scum suspects?
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At this point, I believe that CKD is Jester much, much more than Farside.Battle Mage wrote:it worries me that Beep Beep seems to think Farside being a Jester supports the lynching case.
However, I would appreciate some other player's insight on the matter. We do need to consider the possibility, until we reach a majority opinion.
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I do understand. But scum often pay attention to each other, positively, or negatively. It's not a huge tell, just something that I note.MeMe wrote:
You do understand that RW was asking about my findings on Holy -- not someone's findings on Holy and me both, right? Because that makes your "two playersBeep! Beep! wrote:3. Ross Williams..
Connecting the dots: "i'm curious about your findings onHoly,Meme. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now" Two players (Holy and MeMe) also named on farside's short and recent scumlist.alsonamed on farside's scumlist" point oddly made since I'mnoton RW's scumlist here.
Of course. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 948#930948MeMe wrote:
Back this up, please.Beep! Beep! wrote:3. MeMe
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MeMe, I hope you are not hanging on a small detail that was unclear to dismiss the entirety of my case. If we take away my misconception that you might have thought farside22 was a Jester, we are still left with the following:
"Wishy-washy, lurkerish, keeps being mentioned by Farside22. They also mention Holy a lot along with MeMe, but Holy seems rather noob town, so I believe they are draggin her in the mud as an easy target. Deadline voted Monkey no explanation given. Talitha wrote: "So my vote is staying on farside - my gut just says she is scum. The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me too, but that could possibly be paranoia on my part. " Maybe that's why Talitha had to die. Note to self: MeMe also mentioned QuickBen, like RossWilliam did. "Beep! Beep!-
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Farside22, to whom I ascribe a small probability of being Jester, can be taken care of tonight, or later.
MeMe's analysis is so obviously far off the mark, it gives her away. For instance, I asked Farside22 to list 7 players she felt were suspicious. I never rushed her, or gave a deadline. She could have taken a few days too, if she needed it.
The take home message is that MeMe is giving the scum (a group I believe she might belong to) an "excuse" for the nightkill she might be planning as scum, i.e., by painting me as the Jester. Painted as the Jester, no one would look back at my posts after my death, and wonder if the scum feared I might have hit too many bullseyes, and had to kill me. *Maybe*
Is she considering the possibility that farside22 or CKD might me Jesters? No. Just me. Because I'm in the spotlight, scumhunting to the best of my abilities. It should be clear what is wrong with that.
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You bring up a good point, one that I should have thought of, which is, CKD could have claimed a more immediately lynchable role than Doctor. My earlier thought was that farside22 would have claimed Doctor knowing fully that she'd be counterclaimed by the real Doctor.curiouskarmadog wrote:Now farside is a jester who was almost lynched, but claimed Doc to stop the lynch which would have won the game for him.
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MeMe, do you always tend to keep out of the limetlight, and if attacked, respond by attacking back? Is that your modus operandi?
Because you weren't so aggressive until I pointed out that I found your behavior scummy. And then, the only person you find worthy of attacking is your attacker, that would be me, at the moment.
No, I did not do so incorrectly, even taking your post as evidence. I did ask repeatedly, within minutes, after each of farside's refusals, and CKD's approval of the refusals. But never, ever, did I impose a deadline. Never. If you wanted to refute my point, you had to look to find the post where I demand that farside produce a list within a definite period of time. You did not. Therefore, your refutation is a failure, but I commend you for trying.MeMe wrote:saying my case is "so far off the mark" and then only addressing the farside portion is pretty funny -- especially since you did soincorrectly.
One utterly suspicious aspect of your plan is the timing. Until now you were kinda coasting, sipping margaritas, throwing the occasional pebble at one player, and a softball at another. But now that you are on the hyper-defensive, you are counter-attacking, and proposing plans that depend on night actions, while singing the value of town lynches. Naturally, you have to expect players to be worried.MeMe wrote:I'd appreciate anyone clearly explaining to me why this plan won't work. And, no, saying "she must be scum for suggesting it!" isn't the same thing as disproving its value.Beep! Beep!-
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