secret hitler [7/7] (fascists win!)

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i was planning to /in at 19.59 but then i decided to do it a minute early instead

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or six hours early for those of you with wacky timezones

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bathe instead of showering so that you can clean yourself and play mafia at once

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@Gypyx - here's two options

Spoiler:

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not at numbers where he has multiple
so at seven they know him, he doesn't know them

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1st post I wanted to make before being so rudely interrupted - wait before you try option 1 you are just a head and a floating hang right? something might break if you're hiding a body somewhere
2nd post I wanted to make before being so rudely interrupted - oh shit
Can you not lock the game so that we can ‘play the game we signed up for’. Wow.

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a deadline of 30 minutes for every mission proposal seems like a pretty crazy amount of time, especially if i stall it out for the whole 30 minutes

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we're voting on whatever Bingle wants us to

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Bingle chooses a chancellor
we all vote yes/no
mod reveals votes
if majority yes then move on to policy stage
if majority no move on to me proposing a chancellor

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i'm getting the odd sense that most of the game wasn't sure how to play but Anya was the only one willing to admit it. rookie mistake Anya

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a deadline of 30 minutes for every mission proposal seems like a pretty crazy amount of time, especially if i stall it out for the whole 30 minutes

But I'd be very sad if you did that

ugh i hate making toads sad

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i think toad was a bold nomination to make, ignore Datisi's shade Bingle

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do you want to be chancellor Oka?

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why toad

are you trying to say i'm not trustworthy?

trying to understand why bingle picked you out of everyone

that's a whole lot of reasoning you want from bingle at this point. is that fake concern?

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letting the first mission through?

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I mean... there's a standard set of actions in my playgroup that I'm following to a T and I will not say what they are until after the first policy is passed.

if this is the stupid 'breaking strategy' that removes 100% of the fun from the game to marginally (or significantly, idk the odds) increase our win rate then i'm going to be judging you for it

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why toad

are you trying to say i'm not trustworthy?

trying to understand why bingle picked you out of everyone

that's a whole lot of reasoning you want from bingle at this point. is that fake concern?

why would it be

because of the assumption there's something to understand. a lot of the time it's pretty arbitrary at this point, especially since chancellor barely matters (unless you're playing 'the meta')

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bingle deviated from meta lul

idk what the exact meta is, i just know it's not fun

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i essentially don't care who my chancellor is, only that i'm president. Peta, you want in?

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because of the assumption there's something to understand. a lot of the time it's pretty arbitrary at this point, especially since chancellor barely matters (unless you're playing 'the meta')

why do you think i would know that

are you asking why i'd think part of that or all of it, since there's 2-3 segments

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Nominate: Peta

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are you assuming a motive for signalling or is that just a comment?

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chancellor says what was they got before pres right?

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lost this post to lock :

are you assuming a motive for signalling or is that just a comment?

well, i'd assume signaling would mostly be from a facist to their hitler, why that?

i'll rephrase that, i don't think there's a good incentive to signal so it's a weird thought unless you're thinking it's likely to happen for whatever reason

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are hopkirk and petapan equally more likely to be liberal now?

President can discard a liberal in first pick and pass 2Fs to force through a F without a conflict
Chancellor discarding a liberal when given L/F creates a direct conflict with pres

President passing a liberal is +town. for a chancellor it's marginally +town but barely (because if there's a conflict between those 2 one is confirmed scum, and we get essentially a cop check later in the game so they barely ever force the conflict in practice)

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yes chance should claim before presi

Shouldn't matter. If there's a cc it'll happen either way.

Also chancellor claiming inaccurately after passing a lib policy is just bonkers.

i'm pretty sure it matters for Hitler related scenarios

Peta should trueclaim before i do

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FFL

@Datisi (not a question but just to check)- order of cards matters later on so i'm assuming the phrasing datisi gave me would have been different if it was the liberal in the middle of fascists

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hoppy, did you send 1 and 1?

Discarding the liberal felt like the kind of play (insert name of player you consider to be a troll who actively gamethrows) would make so i didn't do it

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oh i thought you said

why

did i send one and one, ignore the shade i just threw at you

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FFL

@Datisi (not a question but just to check)- order of cards matters later on so i'm assuming the phrasing datisi gave me would have been different if it was the liberal in the middle of fascists

we always shuffled the tiles in my playgroup. tbh.

i am forgetting that we are not at 5/6 players where we would get the 'view the top three cards' and it does not actually matter. been a while since i've played this

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I'd say Bingle is slightly +town from the initial declining his own mission when we were at a point where scum!bingle can take advantage of new players being more likely to vote yes and get an early fail through, but chancellor barely matters

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FFL

@Datisi (not a question but just to check)- order of cards matters later on so i'm assuming the phrasing datisi gave me would have been different if it was the liberal in the middle of fascists

hoppy, did you send 1 and 1?

Discarding the liberal felt like the kind of play (insert name of player you consider to be a troll who actively gamethrows) would make so i didn't do it

how many of each did youdraw?

Fascist, Fascist, Liberal but i said it in shorthand because apparently i don't care about new players who won't realize that was short hand (sorry, i dumb)

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so im nomijnating bingle right

I would prefer this, but oka is a fine choice.

hopkirk, thoughts?

i'm going to decline to weigh in on chancellors at this stage for information benefits

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i uh, hadn't voted yet

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the great hopkirkian filibuster strikes again

it's not my fault that thinking and/or not seeing the mission then thinking counts as filibustering

it is inherently antitown to decline this team.

this is a fact, not opinion from someone in the gov

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toad feels sus

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bingle what did you get

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i missed the post where you said what you got ohno

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everyone would prefer to be pres on second F because they get the cop check

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bingle why do you want to be president after the 2nd fasc? some of this mechanics talk is losing me NGL

the pres that puts the 2nd F down gets a cop style check

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Gypyx/Toad are the two currently giving meh vibes

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oh

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Got L/F

kind of meta, but it took a while for me to get given those. idk if that's indicative of thinking time from Anya or just one of Anya/Datisi not being instantly around

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oh

asked if we could switch votes when toad said they were voting Ja, but it had already gone through

Oka - why are you submitting a new proposal pre claims?

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@Anya/Toad - why did you both nein that + Gypyx after Jaing everything else?

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Ooh is that a spicy conflict between Oka/Peta

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i think the bad one there is Oka and only partially because I SR Oka a bit before and TR Peta a bit before

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5 left in the deck with 1-2 liberals depending on conflict result right?

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5 left in the deck with 1-2 liberals depending on conflict result right?

Theoretically it could be three FYPOV as peta/me could be lying.

i think that's only possible with Peta/Oka both scum which isn't likely

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i was thinking Anya too
leaning against 1v1 check because i'm reasonably confident in my read within it

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although

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if there's 2 in the deck - Bingle 90% gets liberal
if there's 1 in the deck - Bingle 60% gets liberal

if scum!oka didn't throw a liberal then Bingle also incredibly likely scum
if scum!oka threw away town OR scum Peta then 60%

i think math is right

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no? If we get two 1v1s we can functionally guarantee no hitler win with a single townread. If I conf a town we can get information.

We just avoid Oka/peta teams rn until we have confirmations.

i assumed you wanted to avoid the 1v1 because you TR Peta over Oka, do you want to avoid Peta?

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I don't want peta to be pres (or chancellor after third fascist)

which of (Gypyx/Toad/Peta) would you take since we have to take one of them as pres or do a 3skipplaytop

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Nominate: Anya

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Nominate Anya

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I don't want peta to be pres (or chancellor after third fascist)

which of (Gypyx/Toad/Peta) would you take since we have to take one of them as pres or do a 3skipplaytop

wait do we like actually have to like find every town to be able to win?

nah
if i get a L for example then we win with just (Hop/Anya) town
if i get a F we need slightly more but not to find the whole town

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Anya pres. Me/Anya can't be chancellor no matter who i pick.

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I intend to nominate Anya here, but mechanically we check that her proposal has the majority vote to go through BEFORE i commit to it because rejecting this wastes it

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FFF from me

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i should reread Oka vs Peta

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assuming exactly 1 in Oka/Peta
assuming anya town
leaves 2 scum, presumably including hitler in (Gypyx/Bingle/Toad) from my POV

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i'd be inclined to say while Gypyx can be F they probably aren't Hitler because their proposal had literally no support and nobody's really supported them all game?

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i said i was going to reread stuff but then i remembered this was a marathon

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i think that i think gypyx is regular F but not Hitler?

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i could see a toad hitler right now

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what if gypyx just puts a fascist down though and causes a boxing fight

order would be
(special)
Gypyx
Toad
Peta
Anya
for proposals

if scum!Gypyx puts down an F then you'd shoot them then we take you as pres again (or shoot for Hitler instead of Gypyx, but if shot is outside of (Gypyx/Toad/Peta) then one of them would be next pres)

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obviously it's far better to have a town chancellor though

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President Anya

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i'd vote ja

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Peta would be better unless you think they're hitler?

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if regular!F Oka then if they put the F down when given a choice it's much worse than if regular!F Peta/Toad/Gypyx does

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if regular!F Oka then if they put the F down when given a choice it's much worse than if regular!F Peta/Toad/Gypyx does

why?

because if we shoot confirmed F (Gypyx/Toad/Peta) then we can take you as next pres
if we shoot confirmed F (Oka) then we have to take one of (Gypyx/Toad/Peta) as next pres OR flip the top card when we don't want to have to do that

(confirmed F happens if you give them a choice and they discard the Lib)

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i think gypyx feels least likely hitler and they're in that grouping which makes them a decent pick

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i'm leaning Toad as most likely Hitler

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Anya- FFF?

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i thought the game just ended at 3/3 lol. guess not!

we were on 3-3 for about half an hour there

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uh

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my vibe
outside conflict: toad/bingle = 1 town and 1 hitler with a lean towards toad hitler, bingle town
Gypyx for regular fas
inside conflict:Oka for fas, Peta for town

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rejecting to peta obviously

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lowkey kinda just want to give Anya another bullet.

if Oka wasn't scum then Peta is scum and it's tied and town never get another bullet
if Oka was scum then Peta is town unless you think that was SvS which i'm incredibly confident it wasn't

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if Oka wasn't scum then Peta is scum and it's tied and town never get another bullet

Actually not true.

If we force nays, the president of the last successful mission gets the bullet again. Which is Anya. Hence gambit.

i'm 90% sure that's a houserule you're using

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+1

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toad are you proposing something?

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peta pres 100% here

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+1

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it'd be very very unlucky if we didn't hit a L here since we've had 2*triple F so far

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btw when it's 5 alive you can take the previous (i forget whether it's pres or chancellor)

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so we never have to pick outside of (me/Anya/Peta) so this is a guaranteed win (or we've already lost and can't change that)

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btw when it's 5 alive you can take the previous (i forget whether it's pres or chancellor)

If there are only five players left in the game, only the last elected Chancellor is ineligible to be Chancellor Candidate; the last President may be nominated.

actually if we put an F down we could shoot in the POE then alternate forever between you/me/anya with veto power for a guaranteed win

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gg, perhaps now Datisi will stop calling me 'literally hitler' (they explained they were talking about the role and not just being super mean)

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ohno, sorry i made you feel bad Datisi. now i feel bad

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well played, hoppy, my eternal nemesis. Eternal as of just now.

it's only been two games, how about you just make me your nemesis for the next 2 marathon games we play instead of all eternity?

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gg, perhaps now Datisi will stop calling me 'literally hitler' (they explained they were talking about the role and not just being super mean)

There was a Santa reskin, you could just owe me ~30 years worth of coal.

30 games worth of coal is my best offer