2021 Fantasy Football

[PJ.]

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[PJ.]

Pickemgenius has talked me into this.

/in

[PJ.]

I should fill this out

[PJ.]

L1 draft order

Peg
D3
Nero
Joe
Reck
Panzer
Poker
Kk
Racefan
Bef/yiley
Tali
Kila

How is this the draft order? Probably should of put a time/date on the Oregon trail game. I was planning on doing it tonight, seeing as it's currently August 10th

Also how am I in the middle if I did turn a score in? Is there a detailed explanation of how you were going to set this anywhere?

[PJ.]

My assumption is that because no one else did it, he was just going to randomize it.

[PJ.]

Is it still shitty scoring?

Are we maintaining 10 ir spots?

[PJ.]

Is it still shitty scoring?

Are we maintaining 10 ir spots?

I'd argue that it was never "shitty" and that ppr doesn't add much. Also I don't think ppl have been asking for fill ppr? At any rate .5 ppr is winning 11-7

It'll be 6 or slots

there are at least 5 people in league 1 who have asked for full ppr.

[PJ.]

Myself, reck for sure.

Peg and def I'm fairly positive about.

I *think* I recall racefan or poker saying it too. But I may be mistaken.

[PJ.]

Okay, but the point of having a vote is to find if there is a majority that do want it. Mostly my disappointment is that it wasn't even an option to vote for when people expressed interest in having it.

[PJ.]

That's probably accurate. I was just shocked that full ppr wasn't even a menu item when shit I've never heard of or seen people mention was on the list

[PJ.]

I am mistaken then. Sorry.

[PJ.]

Adding a flex

this means replacing 3rd wr w/ a flex right? because when i did my survey, adding an extra roster spot was losing by a landslide.

[PJ.]

I agree we are going in the wrong direction. Do not agree it's because of changing the third wideout to flex, which is standard on all of the major sites.

[PJ.]

I might not be in the division you outlined. my schedule has me playing circle the wagons, give tebow a chance, and mongolian khans twice. (Caboose, ????, Khan)

Who owns what team? I have no idea who owns give Tebow a chance

I believe divisions are going to not exist so it will not matter.

[PJ.]

ranged scoring for kickers narrowly wins with 9 votes to 8

:toot:

I hope people enjoy this, it's unlikely to be much more than a feel-good novelty but now whoever drafts that Bengals kicker can enjoy extra points from all the 70-yard field goals he kicks

i can't wait for everyone who voted for that to lose an important game by a fifth of a point because the opposing kicker is hits a field goal 2 yards too far

[PJ.]

Well yes but more times than not I think an RB might score higher than a WR or TE so it just becomes who has the better/healthy RBs but we'll see how things go.

This is literally just fantasy football. Best ability is availability.

(BTW in half ppr, rb/wr scoring evens out at about 10 in half ppr and actually massively goes the other direction by 20)

[PJ.]

Even in standard it evens out by 20, which is ~the starters line before a 3rd wr or a flex. The biggest benefit of ppr is evening out the top end vs standard. Top rb outscored the top 3 rbs in half ppr were 336, 324, and 316. WRs were 301, 285, 265.

In standard it's 314, 294,294 vs 243, 241, and 202

This is liie..literally why I don't understand why you'd not want ppr but complain about the rb pool being too thin in a flex league.

[PJ.]

I will change my vote next season if you are right.

Weird thing to doubt when you can just Google the info. I can even just link you. You can look at years before 2020 as well.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports ... t=1&end=17

But yeah, ppr vs half ppr is probably a matter of preference, but standard is just clearly inferior if you care about rb being too thin and too strong compared to wideout or are concerned about the top few RBs giving to much of an advantage.

[PJ.]

uh...How did you possibly think that?

ftr PPR vs half is as stark as the difference between half and standard. the difference between the top 3 WR scores and top 3 RB scores from last year in PPR is only 33 pts. It's 125 in half. it's 212 in standard. The issue that some people have in with full PPR is it makes the 2nd tier wideouts just flat better than the 2nd tier of RBs. and so on.

[PJ.]

How come no one showed up tonight?

?

[PJ.]

imagine being panzer

Rude

[PJ.]

Jake Funk is my wrestling name

[PJ.]

It's almost like I knew this would be a massive fucking problem and it turns out there's a stupid loophole that allows it to be. Nero Cain has struck again

[PJ.]

it's not really a big deal guy....

It is, though. You fully understood what everyone thought they were voting on (trading draft slots during/before this year's draft) and then clicked some shit that was definitely not what people were voting - an option purely used for dynasty leagues. This is the 10 IR slot thing all over again, where you've done something completely unnecessary without input from any league members because "it's not a big deal and I felt like it".

Do I care if you guys swap 16s? Not really. But this sets a precedent for these types of trades - which due to the nature of our league are highly exploitable(draft order year to year is random) and not even entirely enforceable because players can just simply not exist year to year. The kicker is....it doesn't even have to be that way, because if you cancel the trade now and resend it as just Dillon for Pollard - it would be something everyone was cool w/.

[PJ.]

Just play best ball, dude.

[PJ.]

Sounds very bad.

Poker being mad at waivers and his rb being hurt is v funny

[PJ.]

With a large bench and a flex spot, RB scarcity was almost a given. Should always carry your handcuffs for your top backs.

That's why those things are bad, but also FAAB fixes those very stupid things. We could have a league that isn't completely dependent on not using waivers and praying someone else's starter gets hurt. We can have nice things.

[PJ.]

With a large bench and a flex spot, RB scarcity was almost a given. Should always carry your handcuffs for your top backs.

McNichols may not be a valid handcuff given the signing of Adrian Peterson to the Titans. At the very least the Titans have doubts about McNichols filling that void.

Having handcuffs not always viable given some other scenarios. Having Chubb and Hunt and D' Ernest. Having Montgomery and Williams and Herbert. Having Ceh and Williams and Gore. Running back position is getting passed around on many teams this year.

Pretty sure no one has both Edwards and Connor. For those not in the know, Nero has Edwards and Montgomery with none of their backups. He had to trade for AJ Dilon to backup Aaron Jones not long ago. Given how carries were spread amongst the titans last night, its more clear now that Titans were not prepared for King Henry to get hurt either

Henry may be back in time for playoffs but my team is unlikely to be in contention then. So if someone wants to trade and welcome the return of the king, I am listening

It's *almost* like the Henry's handcuff got hurt in the preseason.

[PJ.]

Spoiler: Current Every-Team-Every-Week Standings in L1 (Actual standings in parentheses)

Mongolian Khans 63-36 (1st)
Circle the Wagons 57-42 (6th)
Yiley's Yodelers 52-46-1 (10th)
Tally Whackers 52-47 (2nd)
Tatum Bellhops 51-48 (12th)
Men Without Helmets 51-48 (8th)
4th and Inches 50-49 (7th)
Poker's Aces 49-49-1 (11th)
Rolling Thunder 48-51 (4th)
Get Reckt 42-57 (3rd)
Moonsault Mahommes II 39-60 (5th)
Qtag 39-60 (9th)

DIVISION OF DEATH 171-225
VOODOO 214-185-1
MITH'S ENVY 208-187-1

Gotta say, some of these disparities are crazy...

I thought my schedule was bad, but looks like Yiley may have it worst or perhaps Wagons does since he has most points against. I am glad I did not play Yiley on the week we tied in score. I have gotten 4 ties in the past in actual games I have played on yahoo. I do not want to see that stat increase.

I feel football should have found a good way to get rid of ties by now. Shortening Overtime in recent years increased them and increased the chance one team could have the ball the entire time of overtime. I like how overtime has play continue after a field goal when one team has not touched the ball. I like how it does not continue if someone gets a touchdown. This put emphasis on both offense and defense imo. But if things are still tied after overtime, I would like to see a dual of kickers. Something like what Russel Wilson describes here: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/russ ... kes-sense/

Football already has an OT solution that prevents ties and is one of the most exciting situations in sports. No idea why the NFL hasn't adopted it. It isn't even an Elam ending situation where the data is fairly new and garnered from a weird place talent wise. The solution is literally used to decided 100s of games every year, many of which by NFL talent.

[PJ.]

Aren't we only relegating 3? or is it 2? how many people are getting relegated? not 4?

Edit: And i'm pretty sure that post season as never affected relegation but if we could get confirmation on that won't be the case this year from Nero, and/or a fact check from d3f the king of facts that'd be great.

[PJ.]

I am asking how things are usually done

If how things are usually done, does not match the league's current settings, we probably should have fixed that a long time ago.

Changing things now is NOT a good idea.

a man of culture i see.

[PJ.]

Edit: And i'm pretty sure that post season as never affected relegation but if we could get confirmation on that won't be the case this year from Nero, and/or a fact check from d3f the king of facts that'd be great.

to be honest I haven't paid much attention to the consolation bracket. I was under the impression that it was mostly funzies and didn't have the ability to change your ranking but if you look at last year racefan won the 5th place game and tally won the 7th place game and they both finished 5th and 7th so its possible that you can improve on your rank.

From what I understand, your consolation bracket will mirror your championship bracket so 7th and 8th will be bye week 15. 9 and 12 will play, and 10 and 11.

I believe that we have always used after so status quo?

Yeah, but the 7-12 teams are in a consolation bracket this year, when they weren't before. You need to tell us if this consolation bracket that you accidentally put us all in by screwing the playoff settings up matters in terms of relegation, preferably before the penultimate and last weeks of the season.

[PJ.]

Prior to this year 9-12 were not in consolation bracket.

So post season does not affect relegation?

[PJ.]

I'm cool with it mattering next year, if we know ahead of time that's the case. I think it's weird to introduce that 10 days before playoffs starts (especially w/ the commissioner standing to gain from doing so).

[PJ.]

ummmm its been that way since the start of the season, nothing was changed.

It wasn't that way last year. It was never said or discussed that their would be a consolation bracket. YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A 6 PERSON PLAYOFF AND CONSOLATION BRACKET. (Which were both 4 last year).

But *none* of that matters. My only point is..post season has never mattered to relegation in the past(because the people being relegated weren't playing) so introducing that 2 weeks before playoffs is fucked up. Especially when you stand to gain from it. That is literally my only point. I do not think you planned this, I think you accidentally changed the settings or yahoo changed them w/ the nfl season changes. I do not think this is intentional in anyway. My only point is, prior to like 2 days ago, nobody knew or thought that there was a post season to avoid relegation and I want you to tell me that the post-season does not count. Preferably in one clear and concise sentence, so that we aren't arguing about this in 3 weeks or 7 months.

[PJ.]

. Except you did. You literally changed the playoff without asking anyone. Remember that big ballot you sent out before the season? Why the fuck wasn't that on it. No one said anything because no one was aware because you changed the shit w/o telling anyone AND without figuring out how relegation would be handled given the rules that you changed without input. And the fact that you are trying to be like "I didn't do anything" here is truly a mark of a person w/ 0 integrity. You're not running this shit next year.

[PJ.]

Like even in this very conversation you went 'oh, I didn't know anything about the consolation bracket" to "yeah I changed it all intentionally".

[PJ.]

If a change "had to be made"(it didn't btw), why the fuck wasn't it on the ballot? Are you just incompetent?

Being banned as nothing to do w/ my integrity, if anything it proves I have it.

quote="In post 500, Nero Cain"]I will give you that I didn't think about relegation since I just made the assumption that everything would be the same and it still is. Poker and D3 just brought up that we could make the consolation meaningful and I think it's an idea that has merit. I just think that theoretically if we made the decision that it would be meaningful this year it wouldn't be "problematic" b/c it doesn't change how anyone approached this year. but no one really seems to care one way or the other....except you.[/quote]

1. Cool, finally a real actual quote about relegation not using the post season so I can point to this when you try to be a weasel in 3 weeks

2. I literally said I didn't care for the future but I didn't want it introduced literally 9 days before playoffs. A playoffs that you extended unjustly and without consulting the league and now are trying to change rules concerning. Which has literally been my stance on everything. Do whatever, just tell me before the draft.

3. I literally was not in the league or reading this thread when that post was made. I joined over 2 months AFTER that post was made. My assumption was that if it wasn't on the ballot it wasn't a change for previous years, but I didn't take into account that I needed to double check every setting in a non-money league just in case the *incredibly* scummy commissioner changed anything before I decided to even be in the league.

[PJ.]

I'm pretty sure he just agreed to not have the consolation bracket affect relegation, but I'd really like the little weasel to say those exact words in an easy to screenshot little blurb.

Or say that it is. mostly answer the question without any of the other bullshit. But just know you lack integrity if you have it affect relegation. But mostly just give a solid answer that we can reference instead of arguing about dumb shit, to try to be like "akshully i don't suck because i *did* mention it in June instead of having a vote on it". Like no one cares dude, we all know you suck. Just tell us how this shit is going so we can move on and continue to pray that you and KMD both end up in league 2 so D3f or I can run league 1.

[PJ.]

my god you are so slimy and dishonest but that's pretty much par for the course

where am i dishonest? Where am I slimy? Stop projecting. Honesty is literally my only good trait. You should learn something, you fucking weasel.

Also still waiting on a real straight up answer.

[PJ.]

Does anyone even keep trying in consolation brackets? I'm confused why we're arguing lol

we are trying to keep this the case. Nero was floating the idea of changing it so he could stay in league 1 =(

[PJ.]

Panzer forms his rival league

Talks have been talked. It will not be a rival league and will not be public.

[PJ.]

Honestly the best reason for Nero to step down is because other people want him to.

naw, I'm not going to do that especially given that the "reasoning" why d3 and Panzer are in an uproar didn't actually happen. Hopefully, Panzer just starts his own league so I and the others that just want to play FF can.

well you're about to get relegated, and are gonna have to pass it to someone, so.....

[PJ.]

well you're about to get relegated, and are gonna have to pass it to someone, so.....

yeah but its not going to be you

Bless.

Only reason I'd consider it is to save the league from your frequent incompetence, but I'd *much* rather it be someone that isn't me. Particularly the someone that wants it.

[PJ.]

Hounding you for weeks to fix the league everytime there's a documented problem while you go "I don't see the problem" is definitely a struggle. You being more concerned with the perception of doing this correctly than actually doing it correctly - ie "I didn't actually change anything except for that thing I changed in June and didn't work out how it affected long standing league rules and I refuse for literally weeks to clarify this" is definitely a struggle.

What's more likely, you actually being a fuck up or 3-5 people colluding to usurp the world's lowest position of power?

[PJ.]

I have way more important things to do than this, good luck figuring it out man, hope you never get back to l1, sorry that you're such a sad and small person that you can't just give the shit to the person who was earnestly trying to help you w/ stuff and just make the league better because he's friends with someone you don't like.

[PJ.]

good lord PJ this makes it sound so selfimportant. The whole reason any of us play in this charade of a league is bc of the history of it. Why would any of us start a new random league with anyone? Let's just get nero the fuck out and like, make it mean at least a little bit of something. Nobody is gonna start a new league at 30something meaning anything worth anyshit.

I just want to chill and play w/ my friends. Like you, lexi, agar, d3f, shea, pickempackem, bbm if u can reach them. All people I've know for like a 3rd of my life. Except d3f. He bb

[PJ.]

How did this happen to me

[PJ.]

One could argue that the entire season does include the consolation bracket and thus having it matter this year was already in the rules but I'm not a hardliner so I was absolutely ok with it not mattering this year.

I'd be remiss to add that if we did decide to go with a consolation bracket that matters we'd have to keep the current 6 go to the playoffs.

Lol