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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:31 pm

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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:49 am

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the strat in 14 looks good to me. i can start the popcorning if thats the road we want to go down
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Post Post #27 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:34 am

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6am

silverclaw is last, ye?
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Post Post #32 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:07 am

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neither of us are fakeclaiming lol we woke up together

i think silverclaw missed the part about picking a fake time
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Post Post #39 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:30 am

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feels good to be confirmed sleepy
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Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:33 am

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feels good to be confirmed not the cheese thief
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Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 2:39 am

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anyways how are we going to reveal who saw the cheese when? since silver claw and i woke up at 6am it goes without saying it was gone for us (or we would claim its gone for us i guess if we were paired)
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Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:10 am

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In post 52, DragonEater70 wrote: btw @Skygazer I love your ever changing signature since you became Replacement Listmod.
updated it again just for you
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Post Post #95 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:33 pm

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i should be conf
town
sleepy for my lactose intolerance, let alone the other reasons
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Post Post #104 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:49 am

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the thing is i can only be the cheese thief if silverclaw is a follower, right?

i still dont see how i could be cheese thief tho considering the cheese was missing before my time and the person who said it was missing and silverclaw can't both be followers with me??

anyways its funny and tragic when ppl shade me just because i've played a good scum game or two
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Post Post #107 (isolation #10) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:38 am

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In post 105, camelCasedSnivy wrote: you do realize both of you could have woke up at 1am
in which case the person that peeped Silverclaw's die roll would be lying which wouldn't make sense bc the three of us can't be in cahoots
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Post Post #110 (isolation #11) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:57 am

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lemme try to map out all the claims after i get off work to see what else can be deduced
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Post Post #135 (isolation #12) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:49 am

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it makes no sense to three way split with me bc i'm mechanically not the thief and we need to vote the thief???
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Post Post #139 (isolation #13) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:57 am

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In post 63, NDMath wrote: Also, I peaked at Silverclaw and saw the 6 so I know he can't be cheese thief, and it seems unlikely for skygazer to be cheese thief either since he claimed before silverclaw.
In post 86, NDMath wrote: I woke up at 2, cheese was already gone so it was stolen at 1
so in this world, i woke up alone, stole cheese at 1am, picked someone randomly as a follower, claimed a random time, and got really lucky??

why in the world should i be included in the split lol
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Post Post #140 (isolation #14) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:59 am

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In post 136, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 133, camelCasedSnivy wrote: its the same thing where we just have to decide who isn't a follower but whoever votes who doesn't really matter because the follower can pivot from a non-thief
For this to happen you'd have to put faith in me because I'm supposedly Math's follower, mallow is supposedly yours, and Silver is supposedly Sky's, and I'm not letting either of mallow or Silver vote last. And if I'm being 100% honest I'd rather just solve it based on dayplay, and based on Dayplay I think it's Skygazer. She was just sitting on her laurels, knowing she's "confirmed", and didn't try to solve at all. Also when I asked Silver if he thinks you are thief or not, I really didn't like his answer.
the game has been open for like 48 hours my guy. have you seen me play before???
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Post Post #141 (isolation #15) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:03 am

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like i said earlier, i plan to sit down and map out all the mechanics when i get home. it seems like with everything laid out it'll be easy to solve i just need to have all the facts in front of me.

anyways i always find it stupid when ppl throw shade at me for trying to clear myself as town. like ya scum wants to do that too but getting cleared/firmly townread is literally one of the best things you can do to help town win.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #16) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:06 am

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In post 2, Mizzytastic wrote: The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.
arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate
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Post Post #145 (isolation #17) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:42 am

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In post 143, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 142, Skygazer wrote:
In post 2, Mizzytastic wrote: The player with the most votes, or players tied for the most votes will have their role cards revealed. The Sleepyheads win if the Cheese Thief is revealed, otherwise the Cheese Thief and their Followers win.
arguably we could all self vote or vote in a circle and have a 100% win rate
we would need to have one person who is confirmed sleepyhead (not thief or follower)
how so?? the language just says we win if a cheese thief is revealed. if we need a non cheese thief left alive then a follower wouldn't necessarily be disqualifying in which case we know silverclaw cant be the thief and would be safe to have as last alive
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Post Post #152 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:25 am

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who is star gazer?

151 means we basically have a breaking strategy if we tie-vote everyone except silverclaw. anyone who doesn't go along is scum.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #19) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:43 am

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DE70 must be scum then lol. Trying to still push me after I advocated for an absolutely gamebreaking strat is also kinda damning.

I will still try to do some puzzle solving tonight to see if there are any other ways its auto. yes, yes, I said this yesterday
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Post Post #156 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:47 am

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Do you think I would advocate for an autoloss if I was a thief or follower?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:26 am

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:thinking:

tbh i agree that autowin is no fun but I'm just trying to aggressively clear myself because I hate being scumread as town, especially when i feel that i shouldn't be scumread. like the mechanical odds of me being thief are fairly low so it's annoying to be scumread in spite of that when i feel like i haven't been particularly scummy this game. it's also interesting to see how people respond to the proposal. in a way, the autowin is me throwing a tantrum about being scumread to force a win lol but i probably wouldn't feel great about it
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Post Post #162 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:30 am

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i don't think there's anything wrong with proposing it, though. plenty of open mafia setups have been broken in similar ways mid-game, and they're usually either tweaked afterwards or deprecated. in this case i feel like a small rule tweak could remove the autowin

i guess scum could also force an impasse and make us guess who is the thief and who is the follower so it's not entirely autowin either
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Post Post #164 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:35 am

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you could argue that not picking the optimal path is playing against wincon and against site rules :P

but i'm not going to be the one to make that argument. if y'all don't wanna do the breaking strat that's fine by me
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Post Post #168 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:53 am

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In post 165, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 163, Silverclaw wrote: Feel free to propose it lmao, but if I wanted to break a game over my knees I'd be building more Pathfinder characters right now
That made me genuinely laugh, thanks.


Sky, I get your frustration. I think it's probably not you, but I know it's not me, mallow or Silverclaw and I also don't think it's Math. So I'm proposing you as a "safe" bet.
If it's so annoying to you I can propose math/snivy instead.
I mean getting misread happens and I should learn to cope
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Post Post #175 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 am

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In post 169, NDMath wrote: but it inherently reads manipulative when done by stating stuff that isn't fully true
to be fair initially i didn't realize i wasn't actually mech cleared

after that i was kind of memeing
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Post Post #179 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:46 pm

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In post 96, mallowgeno wrote: Can confirm I woke up at 3am
have you stated if the cheese was missing at 3am?
sorry if i missed it
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Post Post #180 (isolation #27) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:53 pm

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Maybe we can solve it using logic rather than cheese

Spoiler: info
In post 23, NDMath wrote: I woke up at 2 AM.
In post 24, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i woke up at 4am
In post 25, mallowgeno wrote:
I woke up at 1am
In post 26, DragonEater70 wrote:
I woke up at 3 AM
In post 27, Skygazer wrote: 6am
In post 28, Silverclaw wrote: Also 6am
In post 30, camelCasedSnivy wrote: also no one claimed seeing cheese thief
In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: But yeah, I did wake up with somebody else (Mallow, as I don't see a point hiding it now).
In post 63, NDMath wrote: Additionally, because I woke up at 2 so I knew cheese thief woke up at 1
In post 65, camelCasedSnivy wrote: whatever i woke alone and tracked mallow to 3 am im done
In post 75, NDMath wrote: cheese disappeared at 1
mallow and silverclaw both have two vouches they weren't there at 1
dragoneater and skygazer both correctly claimed a paired time without partner help
In post 83, NDMath wrote: cheese was stolen at 1
you saw mallow at not 1
it cannot be mallow thief
In post 96, mallowgeno wrote: Can confirm I woke up at 3am
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Post Post #181 (isolation #28) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:57 pm

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^ missed one:
In post 63, NDMath wrote: Also, I peaked at Silverclaw and saw the 6
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Post Post #182 (isolation #29) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:14 pm

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uhhh NDMath feels kinda townie to me
i think for me it's between NDMath and camelCasedSnivy
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Post Post #183 (isolation #30) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:15 pm

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outside chance of DE70, but the odds for that are as low as the odds of me being the cheese thief :shifty:
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Post Post #184 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:26 pm

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PARTNER POSSIBILITIES (fmpov)
thief
follower
NDMathmallowgeno
NDMathDragonEater70
NDMathcamelCasedSnivy
NDMathSilverclaw
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DragonEater70mallowgeno
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camelCasedSnivyNDMath
camelCasedSnivymallowgeno
camelCasedSnivyDragonEater70
camelCasedSnivySilverclaw
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Post Post #185 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:34 pm

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so that's like a 1/9 chance of DE70 being thief, compounded by the fact that if he were the thief, he claimed his time without knowing the time his follower had, or knowing that his follower was tracked (1/6 chance as he essentially guessed randomly). that's like uhhh 1 / 54 odds, or 1.85%. i think i can just rule him out. maybe you all could do the same for me? :-)

tomorrow i'll think about how the various possibilities have interacted and if they make sense as partners.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:24 am

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like i said earlier i hate being scumread

and i have plenty of games where i've insisted i'm obvtown for no reason
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Post Post #189 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:39 am

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cant believe ur trying to make me do work
In post 901, Skygazer wrote: my role pm is default text color other than my rolename. which is green and not red because i'm definitely town haha :shifty:

again i don't think it'll help us solve much at all tbh and it seems like a time sink. the same listmod could use different formattings. scum could lie about their formatting. etc etc
In post 4128, Skygazer wrote: i think scum should shoot me tonight because uhhhhh im conf town
In post 1251, Skygazer wrote: bc im obvtown
In post 4339, Skygazer wrote: i think the fact that im playing so poorly points towards me being town
In post 4507, Skygazer wrote: im town here tho!!!
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Post Post #194 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:59 am

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if we want fun and suspense we could go for one person

honestly going between ND and cCS seems like an easy win tho
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Post Post #202 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:36 am

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I'm kinda torn between Math and Snivy atm
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Post Post #206 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:29 pm

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My gut instinct is that Math is kinda townie but idk
mallow mechanically can't be cheese thief i think
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Post Post #220 (isolation #38) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:45 am

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VOTE: Snivy

also who is star gazer
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Post Post #251 (isolation #39) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:42 am

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I think I probably suggested the most egregious autowin :shifty:
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Post Post #255 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:34 am

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I'm down with that
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Post Post #269 (isolation #41) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:37 am

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vote to end the day
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Post Post #290 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:53 am

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still torn on snivy v math ugh

sorry i havent been as active
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Post Post #307 (isolation #43) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:35 am

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Mizzy your modding was great! I hope stuff gets better soon

uhh I'd like to apologize for suggesting an absolutely breaking strat and messing your game up lol
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Post Post #314 (isolation #44) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:03 am

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oh ya i went with math instead of snivy purely on an instinctual whim

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