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Post Post #65 (isolation #0) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:51 pm

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HI.


Forgive me if I'm the noob of the group, but what is this popcorning you guys speak of? 1 at a time game number claim to allow for CC or something like that?

So far espresso's play does concern me a bit. Mainly paranoia over the Miller claim (although I understand why a true Miller may want to take that approach) but it also concerns me a bit that they are suggesting a mass numberclaim already.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that I may be out of my league here in terms of experience (this is only my 2nd or 3rd theme game, and the concept of this one it is totally new to me) but I don't really see the advantage of numberclaiming this early. Isn't that something we should hold off on for day one until, say, someone is at L-1? If I understand this correctly, the purpose of a numberclaim is to eliminate certain fakeclaim options for scum, no? But I also see it as a tool scum can use to compare someone's play with potential roles from their gamenumber, which could hurt us with NKs.

I'm surely not considering all aspects of this concept, but on Day 1, so far I personally feel like we don't need to be massclaiming anything.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I feel okay with this for now.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #1) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:29 pm

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awkward timing
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Post Post #85 (isolation #2) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:39 am

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Spoiler:
In post 78, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 65, eth0s wrote:
HI.


[...]

So far espresso's play does concern me a bit. Mainly paranoia over the Miller claim (although I understand why a true Miller may want to take that approach) [...]
How would you have played the miller & why is that better than what I did? Do you think my Miller play is AI by itself, or is it only because of the following:
[...] but it also concerns me a bit that they are suggesting a mass numberclaim already. Now, I'll be the first to admit that I may be out of my league here in terms of experience (this is only my 2nd or 3rd theme game, and the concept of this one it is totally new to me) but I don't really see the advantage of numberclaiming this early. Isn't that something we should hold off on for day one until, say, someone is at L-1? If I understand this correctly, the
purpose of a numberclaim is to eliminate certain fakeclaim options for scum
, no?
But I also see it as a tool scum can use to compare someone's play with potential roles from their gamenumber
, which could hurt us with NKs.
These observations are both correct. The real question is whether you think it's worth taking the risk of the latter to gain the benefits of the former.

If you had asked me before I talked with tris, I was 100% on board with the claim idea. Now that we know several games have all-VTs, I'm not so sure. I think I'm leaning towards pushing for the claim, but I'd like to generate more discussion on the matter.
I'm surely not considering all aspects of this concept, but on Day 1, so far I personally feel like we don't need to be massclaiming anything.
[...]
IF the number claim does limit the mafia in some way, the sooner we do it, the better. If we don't end up doing the number claim today, we shouldn't do it unless it comes about naturally (e.g. lylo).


To clarify, I can't honestly say how I would play the Miller. And I don't even think your claim is scummy. Like I said, it's mostly paranoia that scares me here. My opinion on the numberclaim situation (which may be poor, I don't deny that) in contrast to yours is really what's fueling my vote at this point. But without both our differing opinions and the miller claim, I don't think I would be voting you. To put it bluntly, the fact that you are claiming to be what is basically a VT with negative town utility, and my numberclaim opinion vs yours makes me feel, so far, like lynching you is at best lynching scum, and at worst lynching a "less-than-VT" if that makes sense.

That's not to say that I outright want you lynched but I need to make a stance here to understand how sound my logic is, and see if and why others agree with me.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #3) » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 75, Clemency wrote:not gonna comment on the replace till that gets settled
In post 83, Micc wrote:
Confirming that eth0s has replaced Cyan Talon. Sorry for any confusion.
Now that it's cleared up would you like to share your thoughts?
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Post Post #110 (isolation #4) » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:03 pm

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drew and azorius both seem pretty sus to me at the moment honestly
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Post Post #115 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:41 am

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I would just like to say that Azorius strikes me as opportunistic and extremely low effort. Check his ISO if you don't agree.

VOTE: azorius

Doctor Drew really has me wondering if Micc decided to troll us and throw in a Jester...
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Post Post #116 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:42 am

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In post 95, Doctor Drew wrote:Huh.....ok, seen enough.

VOTE: Espresso
I mean did no one else see this as a blatant acknowledgement of hammer?
In post 101, Doctor Drew wrote:Let me tell you guys a great and funny story about this guy, this is a doozy, this guy votes......wait for it, without even checking the vote count!

What a fucking idiot, who let that asshole in this game.

Heh........oh boy.
Followed by this?

I can't be the only one thinking jester, right?
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Post Post #117 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:43 am

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In post 115, eth0s wrote:I would just like to say that Azorius strikes me as opportunistic and extremely low effort. Check his ISO if you don't agree.

VOTE: azorius

Doctor Drew really has me wondering if Micc decided to troll us and throw in a Jester...
This is L-2 btw.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:44 am

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In post 113, Clemency wrote:i dont know how to express my disappointment in this town
In post 86, eth0s wrote:
In post 75, Clemency wrote:not gonna comment on the replace till that gets settled
In post 83, Micc wrote:
Confirming that eth0s has replaced Cyan Talon. Sorry for any confusion.
Now that it's cleared up would you like to share your thoughts?
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Post Post #133 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:07 am

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Azorius you are the only player who contributed literally nothing to discussion say one except for saying you wanted a fast lynch. Now you want to say bring up a short day as an excuse? If you wanted a fast lynch then why are you on Drew? I don't see any town motivation in your play.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:13 am

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if we lynch drew over azorius here that's a 1 iq play
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Post Post #159 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:58 am

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In post 140, AzoriusSenate wrote:
In post 133, eth0s wrote:Azorius you are the only player who contributed literally nothing to discussion say one except for saying you wanted a fast lynch. Now you want to say bring up a short day as an excuse? If you wanted a fast lynch then why are you on Drew? I don't see any town motivation in your play.
My town motivation is this:

I want to
PRESSURE
someone on the block, by putting them on L-1. I apply my vote as a weapon, good sir. I wouldn't ever
HAMMER
someone as Doctor Drew has as a town player. I think we need to shift our focus here.
so you are admitting that you consciously put him to L-1 without stating that it was L-1?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #12) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:32 am

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In post 162, tris wrote: eth0s (...) I would like you to explain why you say
Drew's vote looks like a jester play to me. That would take some cahones to fake a hammer like that, especially on someone that could be kept around as an easy mislynch. Plus I literally see zero town motivation in Azorius' play so I want him to elaborate or eat rope.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:41 am

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Still, other than for WIFOM reasons why would scum fake a accidental hammer on a miller claim? That role is less useful to us than VT so scum would probably leave it as a mislynch or at least wait and see if someone else was gonna hammer.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:31 pm

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In post 179, Charles510 wrote:I would be willing to lynch Azorius. I hadn't considered that we might have a jester.
so you're just not reading the game or what?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #15) » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:33 am

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The OMGUS scumread on me while not challenging a single thing I say lol
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Post Post #196 (isolation #16) » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:34 am

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I'm also a huge fan of the reads with zero reasoning given. such strong play wow
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Post Post #214 (isolation #17) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:37 am

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VOTE: notmyspamaccount

I got a guilty result. I'm on mobile while on break at work. Gonna look for his partner(s?) when I get home later. I dont expect to find much though since the entire reason I alignment checked him was based on his lurkiness. Hopefully the way his partner(s?) Interacted with him will give us something to work with.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #18) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:38 am

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Gut feeling says it's drew or Charles.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #19) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:22 am

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Wow that sucks. I even thought it was tris too and was going to try and put my suspicions on the other two players to avoid being night killed. Sigh.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #20) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:24 am

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Azorius threw this game hard though so I figured it was lost once I saw the flip anyway tbh
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Post Post #254 (isolation #21) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:26 am

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Gg though. I'm only a night 2 cop btw drew so idk if it would've made that much of an impact. Depends on if I would have to claim the full role or game number I suppose
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Post Post #275 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:17 pm

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In post 271, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 270, Charles510 wrote:Ok everyone, tell me everything I did wrong this game.
Not trying to shit on you too much, but just making up your mind on me being scum without looking at all possibilities made you easy for scum to manipulate.

And trust me, I am the LVP here. If I didnt fuck up with the quick hammer the game may have turned out much better for us.
nah azorius played like straight scum and did nothing to defend himself
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Post Post #276 (isolation #23) » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:18 pm

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In post 270, Charles510 wrote:Ok everyone, tell me everything I did wrong this game.
my main problem is you voting so fast in lylo with no evidence.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #24) » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 279, AzoriusSenate wrote:If you guys want to blame the game on me, that's fine. I was scumreading both town prs, just terrible luck for me. There was no way I was going to put up effort in a game that had such a short day 1.
You literally pushed for a fast lynch...
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