Micro 913: Radja's Story - Episode 2 - GAME OVER

[Wimpy]

I had that thought also but it felt nitpicking lol

[Wimpy]

Vote map wolf

This doesn’t count

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VOTE:

[Wimpy]

See how that looks different?

[Wimpy]

VOTE: [ /vote]
remove the space between the [ and /

[Wimpy]

There’s also a vote key on the right side of the box above your screen between “user” and“wiki” keys.

[Wimpy]

you mean when you hit the reply button? All those options?

my vote button is on the left side of the screen.

[Wimpy]

lol that's weird.

[Wimpy]

There is a big reply button. Click that and you get a plethora of options

[Wimpy]

Jefe, What is plethora?

[Wimpy]

Why el guapo?

[Wimpy]

Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

[Wimpy]

You young sheltered soul.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBUMntP6DI

[Wimpy]

Go watch three amigos

[Wimpy]

Inconceivable

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As scum though I would want a creature/wimpy tunnel.

Yes me/saffron/pisskop interactions don’t look great but that’s just cause not a single person who cited there had good reasons for it. I definitely felt I had better reasons for creature. Being wrong doesn’t make me scum.

Pretty sure map is flipping scum here anyway and this is all moot.

[Wimpy]

who voted*

[Wimpy]

So do I

[Wimpy]

VOTE: zenith

Thanks for making my job easier. I was actually leaning kmd but you showed your hand too early.

Your reasons for scum reading me were debunked already. You have no ground to stand on anymore

[Wimpy]

I will flip town cause I am town. No way scum me kills creature. He’s my golden ticket if I’m scum. I need him alive as scum.

[Wimpy]

Lol debunked my ass.

I debunked it and woats did.

You really don’t have a reason to suspect me tbh

[Wimpy]

Creature wanted you to die, and had correctly called out both you and your partner. That's plenty of motive for you to NK creature..

By that logic I’d have killed you too. I’d leave woats alive who was declaring I’m town

[Wimpy]

Creature alive let’s me continue my death tunnel. As scum I’d never kill him. Never

[Wimpy]

Well so much for no lynching and not giving scum info for their kill.

Wimpy why does that vote make zenith scum? If you're town why can't zenith simply be town who is wrong?

He didn’t reconsider reads in mylo. His reasons were debunked and he’s still refusing to consider anyone else. That’s scum who got greedy. Not town trying to solve

[Wimpy]

Every player should enter mylo/lylo with fresh eyes. Reread everything. He didn’t. That’s a scum claim as far as I’m concerned.

[Wimpy]

If defending myself is wifom play I’m ok with that. I have to defend myself from scum.

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Well so much for no lynching and not giving scum info for their kill.

Wimpy why does that vote make zenith scum? If you're town why can't zenith simply be town who is wrong?

He didn’t reconsider reads in mylo. His reasons were debunked and he’s still refusing to consider anyone else. That’s scum who got greedy. Not town trying to solve

I actually hope youre right because if he's town who has decided before the game is over that he's ok with losing as long as its not to you, that is the not playing to win mentality that ive always hated.

I’m pretty sure I’m right. His play if he’s town is detrimental cause I’m town. Call it wifom but none of these NKs make sense from me scum.

I didn’t scum read scum. That’s my only mistake. Being wrong doesn’t make me scum.

[Wimpy]

Him lying about me isn’t ok either. I did debunk his reasons. Just cause he doesn’t like it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

[Wimpy]

Him lying about me isn’t ok either. I did debunk his reasons. Just cause he doesn’t like it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

He could just disagree. You made a defense. Doesn't mean the points he made were definitely wrong. And even if they were it doesn't make you confirmed town either. Town makes inaccurate points against scum all the time. Although if it is debunked youre absolutely right that town-him should reconsider at the very least.

My head hurts.

Him saying I didn’t implies I didn’t do it. Not he disagrees with me.

[Wimpy]

What’s going on with this site and personal insults. No I’m not high.

I’m not arguing with you. You’re scum or game throwing cause I’m town and you have a crappy case that’s been debunked.

[Wimpy]

As scum I have no motive to kill creature

[Wimpy]

Two successful strategies as scum.

1. Hard bus
2. Get locked in a 1v1 with a townie.

I usually end up death tunneling somebody every game as town so as scum it makes no sense to kill creature.

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@kmd. I’m not 100% sure it’s zenith but his refusal to even consider anyone else speaks volumes.

Proper play is to drop all bias and re-consider everyone

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I usually end up death tunneling somebody every game as town so as scum it makes no sense to kill creature.

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I wanted him force replaced. As scum he’s my golden ticket.

[Wimpy]

Been looking for PRs. Why is wimpy PR hunting?

lol. This is a flat out lie

[Wimpy]

I don’t know how I missed that earlier but in no way have I been pr hunting

[Wimpy]

And how are the rest of us supposed to know your meta well enough for that to be the common sense you're passing it off as?

Preview edit: thats to wimpy about the creature kill.

Zenith, my interactions with safron/pisskop don't look good either. How'd you pick out wimpy over me with such confidence?

True. Nobody knows me meta. Meta is trash anyway so ignore that

[Wimpy]

I’m stepping away also. I’ve got nothing more to add.

[Wimpy]

Does that mean the lack of notice to kill creature point is debunked then? Lol

I guess. All you have is my word so you believe it or don’t.

In a nutshell his case is I had motive to kill creature and my interactions didn’t look good with scum.

My defense is I’d never kill creature as scum and being wrong and not understanding why there was a wagon still baffles me even after he flipped scum. I honestly don’t see how he was caught other than just good luck.

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The pr hunting is a boldface lie though so his credibility is shot

[Wimpy]

Pretty sure every game I’ve replaced out of has ended except one. That comment and my sig are related. It has nothing to do with saffron’s alignment

[Wimpy]

Except I’m town and zenith is refusing to consider any other options ends the same way. No lynch. My lynch or his lynch.

[Wimpy]

Reading during this long night I’m still convinced gobble is town.

Woats was the one arguing balance and while balance isn’t guaranteed, given the roles flipped Miller makes a great fake claim. He could be legit and it is you. I had no intention of voting so soon but zenith pretty much has to be scum or game throwing. I don’t think he would game throw (hope he wouldn’t) so to me he has to be scum.

[Wimpy]

At this point I don’t really ares what happens. It’s ultimately going to me be or him and I realize I look worse. I’m town and none of my moves makes sense as scum.

[Wimpy]

With godfather it’s safe to assume there’s is a cop so why wouldn’t miller be a good scum claim?

[Wimpy]

I think woats mentioned that but I could be wrong.

[Wimpy]

Yea, I'm actually 1 shot bulletproof miller and it seems like you picked up on the one subtle crumb I dropped in an attempt to maybe draw NK.

I didn’t pick up on any crumbs actually. I don’t look for crumbs and I think it’s stupid for people to even crumb.

The bp claim now is a nice touch. Good job

[Wimpy]

I keep wanting to ignore this game but I can’t. I just have this natural desire to defend myself from bad pushes.

[Wimpy]

And that question about investing d1.I actually ignored your slot cause I thought you were cop or trying to draw a nk.

You were actually who I would have shot if I was scum.

[Wimpy]

I actually thought zenith was cop faking Miller lol

[Wimpy]

Also as scum why would I be opposed to mass claim? As scum I’d want everyone to claim.

[Wimpy]

You can read my posts and every single one of them read genuine because they are. I didn’t try to hide anything. Didn’t try to deceive anyone. My confusion about saffron was real. As town I wanted creature gone but as I said before as scum it makes more sense to keep him. I had shit reads. I’m not trying only one. I didn’t even want to vote saffron even when his lynch was inevitable. I didn’t want town cred for the wagon and I haven’t tried to get any.

I’m flawed. I’m not scum. That’s really my entire defense. Anything else is just me arguing with zenith as he nitpicks and lies. I never once tried to pr hunt. If I did, he’d be dead or whoever was originally suspected of being bodyguard, or gobble who was universally town read.

Killing creature doesn’t make sense for any scum tbh. Not when there were better options. It could be a frame job. From my POV it has to be cause creature only makes one person look bad.

[Wimpy]

These 2 posts seem contradictory.

How? Your question wasn’t a crumb. Your question was tossing a loaf of bread on the counter.

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Crumbs are subtle.

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Why does it make sense to keep the one person tunneling you alive when you are the last scum alive?

Have you seen site meta. Have you read games recently? Almost every game both people get written off as tvt and ignored.

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Assuming he’s not lying

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My whole family thinks I’m nuts. I’m legit freaking out and they don’t understand.

[Wimpy]

Yea I dunno what else to say here.

From my perspective chance of scum is:
Wiimpy 90%
Gobbles 9%
KMD 1%

Like seriously if you’re town you really need to look elsewhere. I am not scum. You’re refusing to listen to others is going to be what loses the game.

Talk to me about gobbles. Why him over kmd? He’s been like everyone’s top town read.

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UNVOTE:

[Wimpy]

Being unsure, having bad reads, and paranoid doesn’t make me scum though. None of those reasons means I’m scum. It just means I suck which is true cause I can’t seem to finish a game and haven’t played mafia in like 3 years.

I avoided the saffron lynch because I didn’t see reasons for it. I said that many times. Nobody had a good reason for voting. Even after the flip, I still contend creature was the better lynch. Saying I haven’t defended anyone else’s is a lie cause I have opposed a kmd lynch and was vocal about that.

As for why I didn’t go after asriel, if you look in my iso I forgot Asriel was even the game. That’s why. Plus wolf was making posts, he just wasn’t scum hunting in them. Lurking was never the reason for wolf. Lack of effort/scum hunting was and to imply it was lurking is disingenuous.

And I did debunk your case. This was my response to your “case”.

You didn’t understand why I scum read creature and wolf that’s fine but nobody brought it up at the time. I had good reasons (for me) to go after creature. Wolf wasn’t trying to find scum. I didn’t even remember asriel was playing and even said that in my iso.

Being wrong doesn’t make me scum.

You also claim I defended saffron which wasn’t true. I never defended him and the PR hunting was a lie. To ask people who to investigate and me thinking you were cop doesn’t mean I was pr hunting. To use that against me is just not fair.

That’s like if I asked “if you were doc who would you save” people would probably assume I’m doc, trying to out the doc, or trying to draw a NK.

On the surface without anything else. You have an ok case. But the thing is there is no substance behind any of your reasons. No progression of your reads. You didn’t try to sort me. You didn’t try to understand during those pushes why I was doing what I was doing.

Nobody did.

If I’m going to be lynched, I can’t really do anything to prevent it but if town is going to lose for my play, at least try to come up with someone better than what boils down to “you played like shit and were wrong” because that’s really all your case is.

My reads and posts have been 100% genuine the entire time and I can honestly say yours wasn’t

[Wimpy]

I now know what it feels like to be tunneled for bad reasons. I’m definitely going to work on that going forward.

If you want to talk, I’ll be around. If you’re not going to even try and look elsewhere then I’ll revote you and we see what happens.

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I do love how one person can be so sure I’m town and another so sure I’m not. Stupid mass claim.

@woats this is why mass claims care dumb like I said.

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That’s a good point kmd. Looking at his iso he basically did what I did. He didn’t understand the wagon

Seemed to reeeally want to avoid a saffron/pisskop lynch

[Wimpy]

I'm not sure I understand the case vs Saffron Ghost. Post 122 seems odd, but is it scummy? Nothing else in their ISO pings me as particularly AI, though it's not a very lengthy ISO.

Also, if you could investigate someone tonight, who would it be and why?
@Anyone who wants to answer.

Accused me of defending saffron (which I never did). My posts were similar to this. If I “defended “ saffron, this counts as defending.

His case on me.

Defended saffron - lie
Pr hunting - lie
Scum read creature - doesn’t even bother finding out why
Scum read wolf - claims it’s for lurking earlier which wasn’t the reason at all
Scum read wolf - don’t think he even knows why.

It’s a bad case. We’re his reads better? I’ll have to check.

Does having shit reads make somebody scum? No

Scum me would have killed gobble or kmd n1. Scum me wouldn’t be afraid of creature and would never kill him

[Wimpy]

Just caught up on the thread.

I think creature is probably town and I probably made a mountain out of a molehill with my earlier comments about him

but I also don't regret those comments

.

What comments?

VOTE: Creature
Also:

Spoiler: chaos

but he is also out of line to attack you personally.

He crossed the line first. I responded accordingly

Huh no, pushing someone isn't crossing the line

Calling someone pos is out of line, because you attacked his character not his play.

Me not understand

What Creature did isn’t really personal

I disagree. As I explained accusing me of disappearing implies intentional. Ignoring the fact I declared v/la and accusingly me of disappearing is personal to me. You can’t say what is and isn’t a personal attack to me now move on

and that's how it feels arguing with a liberal

He shouldn’t have said that but not technically in violation. People do that all the time in games I’ve been in but I’ll get eth0s to clarify this.

It is actually and just cause it’s not enforced doesn’t mean it’s not against the rules.

Love auto-contradictory sentences

I thought (hoped) this mess was over when I went to sleep soon after my last post, but then I wake up to this? Really?
-facepalm-
I think everything to say on this topic has been said and that everyone should just move on already. For the purpose of improving the health of this game, can we please just drop it and act like it didn't happen?

And then we have Creature seemingly wanting to prolong/escalate the chaos. Why? At best, this is antitown, but I think this is a scum tell, as I've seen this before. It's about motivation. Town has motivation to clear things up, move on, and not let it distract from the game, but scum can enjoy excessive noise and chaos.

How can he use me scum reading creature against me when he did also?

He accused me of making hypocritical posts. I’d say he was more hypocritical

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Did I accuse you of being toxic? No, I'm accusing you of poking the bear, which you have just admitted to doing intentionally.

He knows damn well why I was scum reading creature. He even tried to calm us down. To downplay my reason to meh when it was more then meh is dishonest

[Wimpy]

Tl on you and to a lesser extent KMD4390.
Sl on creature. Counter meta might soften that lean if someone other than creature wants to provide any.

Been back and forth on gobbles but overall everyone else is pretty NAI to me so far.

Doesn’t really want to take a stance on people. Leaving people as nai without attempting to sort is scummy to me. It leaves himself open. Scum doesn’t like to lock themselves into reads. They can’t pivot as easily.

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I'm not good with setup spec, but I trust woats here and sounds good enough to me. Plus the day has been long and I don't really see another lynch happening at this point.

Intent to hammer.

Doesn’t really try to lynch creature. Not even close to what I did and he just gives up so easily. Why?

[Wimpy]

Neither NK makes sense to me as coming from scum, so maybe knowing which was town's nk and the motivations for it, will help me to take a better look into potential motivations for scum's nk.

Where is the progression from this to me being the person with the most motive

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VOTE: KMD4390
L-1

Why did he vote kmd?

I don’t see anything in his iso

[Wimpy]

I don’t know what else to do. I stayed consistent. I stuck to my reads and provided reasons for them. Can you say the same about zenith? Can you point to any real attempts to scum hunt?

I did and was just wrong.

[Wimpy]

think wimpy's comment about regretting the saffron vote might be a bit too... out there

That comment has absolutely nothing to do about this game.

Every game I’ve played i end up getting into an argument over my votes. They escalate and lines get crossed and I replace out. Look at my history. It ties into my signature also.

People hate my reasons and argue with me about them. So I was afraid to vote because I didn’t want to get into another fight. People love fighting with me for some reason. Maybe cause I’m easily triggered.

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Wimpy and Zenith can I ask you both to take a step back and take seriously the possibility that you're wrong? Do an exercise. Pretend we no lynched. Zenith, imagine Wimpy was killed and flipped town. Wimpy, pretend Zenith was killed and flipped town (forget for a moment he claimed bulletproof). Look at the game from that point of view. Do you think Gobble (or myself for sake of completeness) makes sense as scum? If the answer is "no that's crazy", continue your 1 vs 1. If you come up with anything different, we should be talking about it.

I have stepped back. That’s why I unvoted and tried to reason with him.

[Wimpy]

I’m at the doctors right now but later once I’m caught up on work I’ll do whatever you just asked

[Wimpy]

Note to self: look up some of wimpys past games.

did you ever do this?

[Wimpy]

reading kmd's iso.

he hints at being a pr early game, usually people see that as town trying to draw a nk, it's similar to what zenith did but more vague. (this is why I thought both of you were PRs btw)
He does ask a lot of questions, makes it look productive but I don't really see much coming from those questions.
votes me, drops vote for idk. votes gobble for idk and later says he looks better but leaves his vote on (side note I am saying voting but he technically never voted anyone all game until the wolf lynch)
post 750 is interesting. he quotes gobble pointing out a pr soft (it's interesting because that shows actual pr hunting yet zenith doesn't bring that up)
886 - "votes" asriel and says he thinks saff/kop is flipping town - No reason why, (post 777 gives a list of reads but doesn't explain why he has them. Has kop in his town reads) - the asirel vote is such a throwaway vote imo
right after zenith puts kop to l-1, he tosses asriel as a good lynch option instead.

1066 is interesting cause at the top he thinks scum is probably me/wolf but at the end he thinks it's wolf over me

1082 - is basically where he talks about how he is just a vt and if he were scum he'd claim something else (wifom obviously. Just pointing it out cause he accused me of a wifom defense this day phase)

and the rest was us basically trying to get him to vote properly. I don't really know what to make of not voting properly the entire game. I think it's NAI. I can't really see that as a viable scum strategy.


basically, I can see why woats thought kmd could be scum. There isn't much in his iso to me that looks like obvious town, which is why he isn't to me. My plan today was try and figure out which one of him or zenith was scum. Re-reading his iso again, I still see scum equity here.

I will do gobble later.

[Wimpy]

Pretty sure I looked and they were all ongoing or town games so I wasn't able to get much from it.

I saw a post you made, I guess you were looking for a scum game which I haven't had any.

All my games are over except one. I don't know what useful info is in there though cause I don't make it through a day phase.

[Wimpy]

It's not power role hunting when the role being discussed was my own.

sorry that wasn't clear, I was referring to gobble pr hunting. using zenith's definition of course.

[Wimpy]

haven't looked at gobble yet but you, me, kmd all sort of look bad regarding the saffron lynch and our play the remaining days. The only thing that gives you an edge is i don't know if you scum would ask to be lynched. I mean sure wifom but it's a risky move.

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for gobble to be scum, i'd have to think he bussed his teammate with a 2 man scum team and three townies avoided the wagon. The hammer test comment though is weird. like if he was scum and we actually did that it's auto lose.

I am fine leaving gobble as most likely town so for me it would be kmd or zenith

[Wimpy]

if we can't agree on a vote, a nl would happen anyway wouldn't it?

[Wimpy]

or

mod would you consider revising your rules to allow NL?

[Wimpy]

Then you don't know what debunking means. Hell you still haven't even address all of my points, much less "debunked" my case.

If you want to hang your hat on semantics go ahead. I’ve addressed your “case” on me at least three times now.

If you’re town you are terrible and are game throwing. That’s the bottom line. I’m town. You’re case on me is weak. I’ve provided better reasons for my scum reads than you have for yours and that’s basically your entire case down the drain

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The three of us all look bad on saffron lynch. That’s part of your case down the toilet

[Wimpy]

Me pr hunting is a lie straight up and you have no evidence to suggest it’s true. There’s the last bit of your case

I’ve played shitty but I’ve played better than you

[Wimpy]

just ignoring zenith.

yes he added the BP part of his claim

[Wimpy]

reading kmd's iso.

he hints at being a pr early game, usually people see that as town trying to draw a nk, it's similar to what zenith did but more vague. (this is why I thought both of you were PRs btw)

So you admit to looking for prs then?

you are so terrible at this game. That isn't pr hunting.

[Wimpy]

when a player makes an obvious post hinting at being a PR where the entire game can see it, to the point that another player even points it out. That is not PR hunting.

PR hunting is looking for bread crumbs and trying to coax players to slip info about them being one.

[Wimpy]

but if we use your definition.

why am I scum for pr hunting but you never said a single thing all game about gobble doing it?

[Wimpy]

this is what I call checkmate my friend.

you can't accuse me of pr hunting, without also accusing gobble.

[Wimpy]

does this site have a block feature

i can't stand looking at his lies over and over

[Wimpy]

I NEVER PR HUNTED THIS ENTIRE GAME AND YOU SAYING I DID IS A LIE

[Wimpy]

VOTE: zenith

final answer.

since we are basically forcing a draw, this is my last post until day 4.

[Wimpy]

Oh yea, and you've been posting quite a bit since i pulled receipts on you defending saffron. No attempt at rebuttal?

I never once defended saffron. so that's a lie

noticing people hinting at being PRs isn't PR hunting. It's called being an observant player who actually reads shit. so that's another lie.

not accusing gobble of pr hunting makes you a hypocrite


Your entire case on me is garbage. I'm scum cause of lies you made up and I was wrong on my scum reads.

At least I scum hunted. you didn't

at least I provided reasons for my reads and stuck to them - you didn't

seriously shut the fuck up and stop talking to me.

[Wimpy]

and damn you for making me curse. I hate cursing. smh

i'm done

[Wimpy]

tbh even Saffron and Asriel something could have happened with them off the game but doesn't change the fact noposting slots still drag us down.

Hyper posting a bunch of nonsense doesn’t help either. You’ve made the game a chore to read cause you can’t compose your thoughts into a couple of posts. That’s also a scum tactic imo.

how is this a defense of saffron? it's not. you said it was a defense.

THIS IS A LIE

[Wimpy]

I want Saffron to post :/

I want you to post.

How about explain the out of the blue l-1 vote?

And why you did that before posting your reads?

This is not a defense off saffron. It's actually me questioning him.

You say it is a defense

THAT IS A LIE

[Wimpy]

Defended saffron - lie

Really? Really??
I don't understand why you insist on attempting historical revisionism..
I mean I get that there's a shit ton of noise in your iso,

which is one of my points in 1205 which you completely ignored

. Thankfully though, I suffered through it a couple of times and managed to cut out most of the noise, compiling most of the relevant bits into a much more easily readable format, which is there on page 49 in spoiler tags.

Soo anyways, yea.. It's not difficult for me to pull receipts.

Let's see....

tbh even Saffron and Asriel something could have happened with them off the game but doesn't change the fact noposting slots still drag us down.

Hyper posting a bunch of nonsense doesn’t help either. You’ve made the game a chore to read cause you can’t compose your thoughts into a couple of posts. That’s also a scum tactic imo.

I want Saffron to post :/

I want you to post.

How about explain the out of the blue l-1 vote?

And why you did that before posting your reads?

Wolf looks bad for that l-1 vote. It came from nowhere and don’t see any reasoning. The entire wagon is bad.

I was getting kind of impatient with this game and wanted stuff to happen. I don't see anything wrong with a L-1 vote. Now I can't say whether this wagon is a good one or not, but I am on it for a lack of a better alternative atm.

But lurker lynch doesn’t really help solve the game. He’s most likely town who just got bored or more likely an alt who forgot about this game.

You as town should know that’s a terrible lynch

I don’t really get why people scum read saffron. He didn’t do anything scummy. Definitely not nearly scummy as creature.

VOTE: Saffron Ghost

Opportunistic scum imo

Trying to figure out why people are voting. This stands out cause there is nothing in saffron’s iso that supports this.
How exactly was he/she opportunistic?

The fact that saffron has been the only serious wagon shows me town is lazy and scum is probably pushing the wagon.

Where they initially vote I think that’s good for pressure but I don’t know if you can determine alignment.

The second quote I Need to go back and read cause I don’t see where he sidestepped and i don’t understand why saffron not unvoting is a problem.

I mean sure saffron doesn’t look great but I honestly think this may be a case of a poor player who created an alt to hide the fact he is.

Two ok reasons vs two bad ones/no reasons kind of cancel each out. Since creature lied and the other was opportunistic, my gut says this is a scum lead wagon and you/wots could just be wrong.

I still don't understand this wagon.

ISO Saffron Ghost.

I did. I didn't see anything that bad. creature and wolf are definitely scummier to me.

how is that opportunstic? Wolf is guilty of it, i don't see saffron doing it

creature/wolf/woats are all scummier to me

Now let me guess your next move. Maybe you point out on of these quotes where the defense was more subtle, say "thats not defending saffron, thats just me trying to get ppl after someone other than saffron, who i just happen to quote while they were going after saffron. Not a defense, more of a redirection" lol. Whhile ignoring the obvious blatant direct defenses of saffron..

Like:

I don’t really get why people scum read saffron. He didn’t do anything scummy. Definitely not nearly scummy as creature.

I mean sure saffron doesn’t look great but I honestly think this may be a case of a poor player who created an alt to hide the fact he is.

Is also pretty strange how you just can't seem to understand the wagon on saffron, but at the same time you admit that you recognize how "sure saffron doesn't look great".

Scum reading somebody else and not understanding why people scum read saffron IS NOT DEFENDING SAFFRON

[Wimpy]

If we use your definition, you defended saffron also.

so you are scum for defending scum

[Wimpy]

I'm not sure I understand the case vs Saffron Ghost. Post 122 seems odd, but is it scummy? Nothing else in their ISO pings me as particularly AI, though it's not a very lengthy ISO.

defending saffron

I thought saffron was mostly NAI

defending saffron

[Wimpy]

Omg i called it!

yes, you called the truth.

so let me guess. you are going to deny defending saffron now right?

[Wimpy]

zenith, you painted yourself into a corner mate.

You can't defend scum yourself and try to accuse others of it.

[Wimpy]

Three people “defend” saffron. I don’t know how zenith can explain how that makes only me scum.

At least two (probably more) “pr hunted” I don’t know how that makes only me scum

Also. If I was PR hunting as scum. Wouldn’t the point be to kill them?

Scum me kills creature instead of 2 possible PRs and gobble (who was most townie day 1)?

[Wimpy]

You can't defend scum yourself and try to accuse others of it.

[Wimpy]

If I use zenith’s flawed definition of defending. Then yes I defended. So did he. So did kmd.

Since I use a more accurate definition of defending. I didn’t defend him.

Zenith town can’t be selective in this accusation. He can’t somehow clear kmd and act like he’s free from scrutiny

[Wimpy]

How can you read these quotes and act like you never defended him??

You did essentially the same thing. So why is it scum for me but town for you?

[Wimpy]

I'm not sure I understand the case vs Saffron Ghost. Post 122 seems odd, but is it scummy? Nothing else in their ISO pings me as particularly AI, though it's not a very lengthy ISO.

defending saffron

I thought saffron was mostly NAI

defending saffron

Just saying

[Wimpy]

You scummy af..

Scummy? maybe.

Scum? Absolutely not.

[Wimpy]

Kmd defended him also.

How can 2 be town and one be scum? Why isn’t that standard applied equally?

[Wimpy]

This is a deflection..

If pointing out hypocrisy is deflection. Then sure I’m guilty of it

[Wimpy]

How is my definition flawed? In what twisted world are these quotes not you defending saffron?

Where did I argue he’s town? Where did I argue the reasons people voted?

Those are defenses. Not understanding why and scum reading others (which you did also) obviously isn’t defending which is my point.

[Wimpy]

Kmd defended him also.

How can 2 be town and one be scum? Why isn’t that standard applied equally?

Answer please.

[Wimpy]

I'm not sure I understand the case vs Saffron Ghost. Post 122 seems odd, but is it scummy? Nothing else in their ISO pings me as particularly AI, though it's not a very lengthy ISO.

defending saffron

I thought saffron was mostly NAI

defending saffron

Just saying

If you say this isn’t defending. You can’t say what I did was.

Hypocrite

[Wimpy]

I don’t know why you’re arguing with me. You’ve ignored kmd’s request who should be conf.town to you.

[Wimpy]

If you say this isn’t defending. You can’t say what I did was.

Hypocrite

[Wimpy]

Piss off. You’re so locked in on mislynching me and won’t admit that three people “defended” saffron (your definition not mine) yet I’m scum for it and nobody else is.

Go find the post yourself.

[Wimpy]

Where did I argue he’s town? Where did I argue the reasons people voted?

This is a hard defense. I did neither of these.

Earlier you didn’t use the word hard. Why the change?

[Wimpy]

I’ll ignore you now. You’re a scum and it’s not worth my time.

[Wimpy]

I'm not scum reading you because of defending saffron.

That’s in your case so this is a lie

[Wimpy]

You are the ONLY player in this game who has hard defended saffron and then repeatedly lied about it

Where did I argue he’s town? Where did I argue the reasons people voted?

Goodnight. Remember I’m v/la on weekends.

[Wimpy]

Please explain what your definition of defending is and how your definition of defending makes posts 432 and 445 not defending saffron.

I’ve posted it like 3 times now...

Lynch this guy please.

[Wimpy]

Where did I argue he’s town? Where did I argue the reasons people voted?

One last time.

Have a great weekend everyone

[Wimpy]

That’s actually the strongest part of your case. The next is I killed creature. The last is was pr hunting.

Nice try though. Since it’s established I didn’t defend anyone by my definition and tied with two others by yours.

You’re in check. Probably check mate.

[Wimpy]

I was*

[Wimpy]

Man I just love arguing too much to log off.

[Wimpy]

If that’s the weakest part (really? Weaker than pr hunting?) why are YOU making such a big deal about it?

Why aren’t YOU pushing the strongest?

[Wimpy]

I’m ready to defend myself from the strongest part of your claim. I’ve logically explained away those other 3

[Wimpy]

your case*

[Wimpy]

None of those show me saying he’s town or that I even town read him. So...

We’re back to it.

Show where defended him using mine. Yours is negated by the fact that you and kmd are also guilty and thus means it’s NAI

[Wimpy]

I was wrong about saffron. I’ve never denied that. So were you. So were kmd.

How does that make me scum?

Being wrong doesn’t make me scum. Me preferring somebody else doesn’t make me scum.

How can you be guilty of the same things and think it’s a valid reason? That’s actually the perfect example of being a hypocrite

[Wimpy]

Are you trying to say that your definition of defending saffron would be arguing that he's town and/or arguing against other people's reasoning for voting?

Are you then also going to claim that none of your posts I quoted in #1547 fit with that description?

Yes cause that’s what defending somebody is.

[Wimpy]

By my definition I didn’t.

By yours THREE people including yourself are guilty.

How do you justify that?

[Wimpy]

You and I do similar things. You can’t use that as a reason.

Add a third person into the mix who now is confirmed town to you and you lost your credibility

[Wimpy]

None of those show me saying he’s town or that I even town read him. So...

You literally said and I quote: "He’s most likely town who just got bored or more likely an alt who forgot about this game."

Are you not reading my posts?

Ok one post where I said most likely on day one when I thought two other people were scum.

You caught me.



That’s not hard defending by my definition.

[Wimpy]

Maybe I should modkill myself.

[Wimpy]

I’m seriously done. I hope we don’t stall the day anymore. I don’t want to play this game past this day phase.

[Wimpy]

What’s going on with this site and personal insults. No I’m not high.

That’s the 2nd time you’ve personally insulted me asking if I’m high. Knock it the fuck off

[Wimpy]

I was trying to figure out why he wasn’t posting. Typically people who don’t post are town who are bored.

You’re really twisting things here but I’ll concede that technically I said he’s most likely town but that’s not the same as what I consider a hard defense but to prevent the semantics argument. Technically one instance.

I’m still town. I’m not even going to respond to you anymore and this time I mean it. You and creature can both piss off for crossing the line.

[Wimpy]

Not sure why you’re waiting for me. I’m already voting and I’m not changing. So we lynch him or we NL by not lynching somebody.

If kmd was scum game would be over. I really can’t see gobble bussing. Zenith’s case is full of lies and contradictions. Him saying he tried to be honest yet has lied at least twice is hilarious.

Finally Bp Miller with everything else just doesn’t fit to me.

[Wimpy]

I’m in and out most of today. Humor you how exactly?

[Wimpy]

You’re free to do whatever. I honestly think zenith is the right lynch so I’d prefer you just vote him.

[Wimpy]

Not going to sit around arguing with scum though so I’ll just be hanging out waiting for you to hammer him.

[Wimpy]

You really have some nerve telling me to calm down. I unvoted you and was willing to have a rational discussion with you but you blew right passed it and kept the tunnel on.

Kmd asked you to pretend I was town and look at him/gobbles and provide your thoughts and you blew right past that also.

You’re the one who needs to calm down. I tried extending the olive branch.

Yea I dunno what else to say here.

From my perspective chance of scum is:
Wiimpy 90%
Gobbles 9%
KMD 1%

Like seriously if you’re town you really need to look elsewhere. I am not scum. You’re refusing to listen to others is going to be what loses the game.

Talk to me about gobbles. Why him over kmd? He’s been like everyone’s top town read.

UNVOTE:

I now know what it feels like to be tunneled for bad reasons. I’m definitely going to work on that going forward.

If you want to talk, I’ll be around. If you’re not going to even try and look elsewhere then I’ll revote you and we see what happens.

I’m sorry you’re not feeling well. I haven’t been feeling well myself having torn my meniscus the other day and I truly hope you feel better soon but I don’t see any way gobbles is scum and nobody has made a case explaining it.

So if you are town, I’m sorry but you’ve already crossed a line twice with me and I don’t know how you can salvage that at this point.

[Wimpy]

Right but in order for gobbles to get lynched I have to vote him or he has to self vote. Neither of those things will happen.

[Wimpy]

What do you mean by 1591?

[Wimpy]

Oh ok.

Yes based on the vc and your vote gobbles is at l-1

[Wimpy]

So youre aware as scum you could have hammered and won the game thus ending it and not having to care about any backlash?

I'm confident this is the case. I just don't want anyone else to be able to say not all bases have been covered in confirming you as town.

Yes I was aware. But cause mod had weird voting rules I was paranoid your vote didn’t count.

VOTE: gobbles

[Wimpy]

i'm good with releasing mine.

[Wimpy]

GG everyone. despite being lonely, I enjoyed the game.

[Wimpy]

yes I was. I would have killed kmd. he dead lol

[Wimpy]

Sad that nobody would believe me about wimpy..

Tbh your bp claim was pretty unbelievable and while accurate the case was circumstantial. I normally wouldn’t kill creature here. I only did it cause I didn’t want to play with him anymore. Smart move was kill gobble. Good thing I’m not smart. Creature being cop was huge.

[Wimpy]

I will not /in episode 3

[Wimpy]

Turkey and egg isn’t a good combination

[Wimpy]

@Wimpy, you definitely crossed a line with your early continued threats of reporting us. That wasn’t at all cool, so good on you for fooling us but your win, leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of that.

Had we lost to literally anyone else, I wouldn’t be pissed, although I’d definitely have blames myself if it had actually turned out to be kmd.

Reporting or threatening to report wasn’t a strategy. When people cross a line it doesn’t matter what alignment I am, I’m going to be pissed. I don’t remember threatening you. I was legit angry at creature and zenith though.

[Wimpy]

Map didn’t seem to get involved in this game. I don’t even think he was paying attention half the time. He was such an easy target to mislynch because I would have been suspicious of him as town. It’s easy when townies do things that you scum read normally.

He should have definitely spoken up when asriel claimed. Zenith shouldn’t have claimed Miller since he was BP. I’m not a fan of miller claiming anyway. Play to not get investigated and look ultra town where scum want to kill you is s better strategy.

[Wimpy]

I'm sorry if I upset or offended people.