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@mod
can the suicide bomber bomb anyone after its death? (like a vengeful shot)
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if not, we may be able to goad the bomber into suiciding by leaving our top suspects dangling deliciously on E-1 for a while. if the tension is especially palpable, the bomber will surely crumble.
scum would HATE to miss out on a bombing by being hammered first.-
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by pushing through a quick-elim (or hammering out of nowhere) we risk eliminating an unclaimed IC.In post 20, Ythan wrote:Why would we want to let the bomber bomb instead of just hammering them?
to wait to check if a player is the IC is to also give the bomber a chance to bomb.-
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literally one post after #16 i realised the symmetrical dilemmas of the IC & bomber.In post 26, Ythan wrote:Yon didn't say anything about the ic you were talking about giving the bomber a chance to bomb before being quickhammered.
i was thinking out loud.-
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no, you see. it was a sneaky ploy to leave suspects on E-1 for a while, perhaps even taunting and threatening hammers. we don'tIn post 29, Ythan wrote:I know but like I think it's an odd thing to think out loud that we should make sure the scum bomber gets a chance to bomb.necessarilyelim them. merely sit with the tension of E-1 for a while. perhaps we unvote and move onto the next suspect. perhaps we hammer. or perhaps they crack and suicide, meaning we don't have to waste an elimination.
scum suiciding D1 would be a good thing imo.-
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worst post on page 1 imo.In post 67, Infinity 324 wrote:Why is mare scum?
she may have won me back on page 2, however.-
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i suppose it was a gut thing, and not a particularly strong gut thing. but i'll try and put words to those feelings.In post 83, Infinity 324 wrote:Do you think you can articulate the mare thing any more? I felt like her opening post was awkward, but not necessarily scummy, and it could be an easy thing for scum to latch on to
her post stood out to me not because it was awkward per se, more that riffing on something someone else has said is a relatively safe entry to the game. for whatever reason - and it certainly isn't scientific - i associate early game novelty with more risk-taking behaviour. scum being more likely to blend in/pursue safe entrances.-
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brazen move.In post 93, Mare wrote:So now I'm committing to being Flea's doublevote today for better or worse.
flea seems like a wildcard.-
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seems kinda absurd to request refutation to a mystery vote.In post 102, Flea The Magician wrote:Then convince me!
Do things and stuff!
Why am I wrong? How am I wrong? What's your thoughts on Mena at the moment?-
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i was pretty sure it couldn't. but if it could, it would invalidate the entire purpose of the idea i proposed on page 1.In post 118, Ythan wrote:That being said this is a weird question. I myself missed that the bomber is an any time bomber but I don't know how you'd get the idea it's vengeful.-
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consider my vote like rubbing two damp sticks together trying to create a spark.In post 124, Menalque wrote:Hoopla revolting me is also pingy but I’m kinda waiting on the explanation before I hardcall it-
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i'm underwhelmed. i'm waiting for him to step up and dazzle me. where's the energy? where's the passion?In post 157, Menalque wrote:
I think this more or less falls within the remit of acceptable reasoningIn post 150, Hoopla wrote:
consider my vote like rubbing two damp sticks together trying to create a spark.In post 124, Menalque wrote:Hoopla revolting me is also pingy but I’m kinda waiting on the explanation before I hardcall it
What do you think of infinity so far hoopla?
maybe he needs a spell at E-1 for a while.
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VOTE: infinity-
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solid play. this is exactly the kind of posturing i was envisaging.In post 228, Momrangal wrote:Intent to lol hammer any/all E1 wagons
if only infinity was the bomber. i swear it would have worked.-
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are you mopey because you have to shoot someone? usually the excitement of picking off your top suspect translates into in game enthusiasm.In post 184, Infinity 324 wrote:
Not gonna happen, sorryIn post 177, Hoopla wrote:i'm underwhelmed. i'm waiting for him to step up and dazzle me. where's the energy? where's the passion?-
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this is exciting.In post 233, Hoopla wrote:i have observed something in mena which makes me suspect he is town.
need to check a couple of his scumgames to make sure tho.
the fabled hoopla/mena/infinity town-bloc could be back in action.-
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such was the synergy & harmony of our cooperation in pyp, i had somehow filed that game away in my brain as us all (me included) being town heros bravely building a game-winning alliance.In post 238, Infinity 324 wrote:Am I insane for seeing this as a possible scumslip? Lol
VOTE: hoopla
time flies.-
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infinity slot is solved. he's either town that dies N1 or scum that dies N1. i'm 90% sure he is town because it's probably optimal to roll the dice as scum in his spot and hope that your E-1 wagon dissipates rather than guaranteeing your N1 death by claiming vig.
i like mena for town at the moment. small sample size, but i see similar defensiveness to people voting him as his last town game. perhaps he's just that sort of character in general regardless of alignment, but it's enough to go off for now. in any case, it seems obvious to me that the scum team isn't mena/flea. they're the first pairing i'm ruling out due to overly nuanced/unnecessary interactions at a stage of the game where it isn't necessary to interact like this with your buddy.
given this is a small game, ruling players out of possible pairings is actually a big boost to their town EV from a purely combinatorial perspective, ie; mena/flea can be scum with 4 players {ythan, mom, vander, mare}, whereas someone like an ythan can be scum with 5 players {mom, vander, mare, mena, flea}, thus are in more possible scumteams.
so, my current pool is {ythan, mom, vander, mare}.
am working on a reread to see if i can rule out more pairings, or at least start sifting within my pool with more clarity.
more to come...-
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Hoopla
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are you diabetic?In post 305, Mare wrote:Hoopla can you tell me why I think your posting is Good but your presence unnerves me? (I’m vetoing the answer where you call me scum.)-
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if you're town can you spare us the emotional flailing?In post 329, Flea The Magician wrote:Intent to self hammer
Eliminations are better than no elims, someone do the job for me. Menalque has pulled some BS to place me in a corner that only my flip will release me from. No matter what happens at this point, I can't not be eliminated.
we've seen three E-1's already. your elimination isn't a foregone conclusion, so like, chill.-
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i am still in your corner flea. you're more likely scum than mena, but i'd still rather not elim from a pairing that is highly unlikely to be scum/scum. at least on D1.
for those on flea's wagon: tell me if its possible for flea/mena's interactions to be scum/scum.
if not, then that is 20% less possible scumteams that flea can exist within.
ask yourself: is your confidence in scum-flea 20% better than random?-
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explain these conclusions please.In post 254, Menalque wrote:- Hoopla/infinity not aligned, and hoopla down if infinity!town
- vanders/flea not aligned, if flea not scum then vanders equity up-
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it's an 8 player game. 36 hours is plenty of time when the majority required is small. the town is active enough for things to change.In post 337, Flea The Magician wrote:Lil close to deadline to try and get that wagon formed. As it is, my wagon stalled (because both scum are on it already) and I've been twisted into a position where frankly I need to be flipped for information at this point.
if we get down to the last 6-12 hours i'll hammer you if need be. why not try something else in the mean time?-
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i think that antagonisation could go either way.In post 336, Infinity 324 wrote:Ythan is pretty obviously town imo, I don't see why he antagonizes vig!me as scum
his main bone of contention with you was that you're not confirmed town. which is technically true. you're close enough to confirmed town to not worry about it, but in my experiences it's a +scum trait when someone attempts to ensure psuedo-confirmed town aren't treated as completely confirmed.
scum like keeping the PoE as wide as possible.-
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i'm not familiar with flea's body of work, but usually i find the "woe-is-me" act when under E-1 pressure a town trait. how is it uncharacteristic for flea? from my limited observation, flea seems to be the wildcard.In post 352, Momrangal wrote:I think I could actually vote FLEA here. I wasnt fond of that hammer goading. It seems uncharacteristic
i'm not usually surprised when wildcards implode for no reason. it is part of their repertoire.-
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listen up, wildcard.In post 357, Flea The Magician wrote:I still think I'm the best elimination option today just because of Menalque essentially ripping the carpet from under me and barbed wiring me into a corner through their crappy context manipulation.
if you're town, signing off on your own elim is 100% a town elim. the "information" your elim supposedly yields is not worth passing up an opportunity to actually hit scum on D1.
you & mena could easily both be town. then what? you've played the martyr for no reason, tanking town's chances at hitting scum D1. in a game this small we don't have many mis-elims. each decision counts.
how about you see where an ythan vote might lead?-
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alright, i'm going to claim IC.
in an ideal world i'd prefer to claim D2, but i feel there's a very real chance infinity vigs me tonight if i stay silent which would be a disaster.
also, since the vig is out, me claiming now (as opposed to tomorrow) is immaterial as we end up with one conf-town D2 anyhow:
by claiming now, either scum shoot me or infinity (the other is IC tomorrow).
if i stayed silent, infinity is NK'ed if town and i am confirmed tomrorow.
if infinity is scum, the vig kills him and is conf-town tomorrow (or whenever they want to claim).
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i'm also claiming now to rule out me/flea as a scumteam.
infinity isn't scum with flea.
mena isn't scum with flea from early interactions.
i doubt mom is scum with flea who puts flea to E-1 this close to deadline when a counterwagon in ythan was building & available.
mare, vander, ythan are flea's only viable partners imo.
judging by flea's erratic and self-indulgent play, i suspect flea's not the bomber either. how does the wildcard not pull the trigger on a suicide bombing after being at E-1 all this time? flea's myopic doom about their own survival is convincing enough to me. think about it. if flea was really the bomber, could fae really resist the impulse to suicide in this spot if it was an available option?
so, for flea to scum, it has to be with one of mare/vander/ythan. and flea has to be the goon. that's a very narrow set of viable teams.
it's more likely (and bleeding obvious from my perspective) that flea is town.-
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the implication is maybe the claims are what they seem.In post 441, Menalque wrote:I want clarification from ythan that he isn’t the vig before we hammer anything
I had the thought that it was possible that infinity was IC and fakeclaiming vig for some reason and that’s why ythan was acting weird about the claim but if it’s hoopla then I’m not sure what the implication is-
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GG scumbags
it felt as if generating reads from this D1 was like drawing blood from a stone. not enough movement and activity to create interesting interactions. perhaps that's a consequence of a micro game? not sure, don't really play that many of them. when a mini gets down to 7-8p, you have three days worth of history to help the PoE. this game felt like throwing darts a little bit - or at least relying heavily on intuition.
perhaps the gamestate being so stagnant was a good indicator that mena could be scum - as i suspect him as town wouldn't have been happy with letting the gamestate drift as it did. in any case, well played to him for closing out the deal. and a good shot from infinity to give us a chance.
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