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yeah now I'm gonna go to bedIn post 24, Dunnstral wrote:You really came back 30 minutes later with that thought?MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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Dkkoba, much like myself, is nonbinary.In post 48, mozamis wrote:good call! Why the "they" pronoun btwMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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Moz is doing a good job of trying to look busy but those reads are hot garbage and [p]78[/p] is just feels like scum trying to look town by asking someone to contribute to advancing the gamestate in a way that they know the person won't. The follow up right after is probably damaga control after Moz realized that they said something which conflicted with a previous post slightlyMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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tf uis wim?In post 87, DkKoba wrote:also bugspray WIM rn is at scum levels so idk how to feel about that.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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i try hard every game but the ways i go about accomplishing my goals change depending on the game but sometimes i just dont get the motivationgIn post 123, DkKoba wrote:wants it more. short term for effort. u effort more as scum and its basically ur meta in terms of town vs scum and its what i go by here. if u wanna link me to a game where u try hard as town go ahead but i dont think u rly do.
also look at some of my scum games where i basically make a few lazy posts every few daysMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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it just seems v disingenuous, like even so my amount of try waxes and wanes a big amount. i think it ssuper likely you just devekioed this meta read when i rolled scum 3 times in a rowIn post 129, DkKoba wrote:ok but link me a town game where u try a similar amount as this game cuz ..... i dont think it exists lolMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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grrr game is slow.
mosamis i care that you are prodging because when the game is slow scum loves that and they will make those kinds of empty posts
i really dont like how you fluffed on the michael scott post. makes me thingk you are scum with little creativityy
VOTE: mozamis why is this evil bun still alive?MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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the fact that the mozamis wagon has been stagnant for so long means scum are happy with the gamestate and basically mech confirms mozamis
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do you think both scum are in that list?In post 162, DkKoba wrote:dunns/bulge/bugsprayMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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In post 129, DkKoba wrote:ok but link me a town game where u try a similar amount as this game cuz ..... i dont think it exists lol
these low key feel like bad faith pro town moves. asking people for things that woudl be ncie if they did but you know they are not going to doIn post 119, DkKoba wrote:its not a prod dodge if u give reads on slotsMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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me and koba is tvt
VOTE: unvote
adding UNVOTE: because the votecounter is stupid -DLast edited by Datisi on Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:42 am, edited 1 time in total.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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yeah but aren't you scumpartners?In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:Moz looking for an angle to to introduce two new players (ythan/me) to a pool of suspects is potentially scum motivated
We should do what we were doing before that point.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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there's a speezy thread that explains but basically one of the admins made it into a no rules hellzone and then when the owner of the website caught wind they just killed itIn post 259, Not_Mafia wrote:What happened to epicmafia?MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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i'm on the listIn post 353, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Outside would be better I believe. We have 1 in 3 to find as opposed to 2 in 5.
Meaning todays eliminations are myself, Michael and bugspray.
I do have some dungeoneering shenangians that are a priority currently, so analysis will come later.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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im pretty sure if i draw a diagram of every vote everyone has made and then divide it based on the list some useful info can be found but honestly i would be very happy with a bulge elim today. wagons that get to the cusp of yeet which then get redirectled to a green flip wagon right after are often scumMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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because that's what random.org decidedIn post 395, The Bulge wrote:why am i scum?
and your attempts at discrediting me by saying my arguments are weak without explaining why don't make you look any better.
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dammitIn post 400, Datisi wrote:mineMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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The Moz wagon stalled and if a wagon stalls it's indicative that scum is either unable to or unwilling to make a counterwahln and I believe they were unwilling to make a counterwahln because they know Moz was townMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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This is a flagrant misrep. Every coubterwagon being led by scum is absolutely different from what I said.In post 417, The Bulge wrote:like what are the grounds for even saying that? do you mean every time a wagon stalls that's what's happening, or just in this game's context? are you saying that every counterwagon is led by scum?
Geriatric or not if the scum were unhappy with the gamestate they will do their best to change it.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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Every single one of the bulge's arguments are LHF that stand up to little scrutiny. 419 is calling out a lurker with more words.
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Assuming you have no information of any player's alignment shooting inside the published list randomly gives a 2/5 or 40% probability of hitting scum. If you know the alignment of one player in the group to be town then you instead have a 2/4 or 50% probability of hitting scum.In post 422, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:I am awaiting consensus on where we should vote, N_M using Michaels slip, or Rathe based on my belief that voting outside of the list is the better option due to overall increased odds based on the smaller pool.
Assuming you have no information of any player's alignment shooting outside the published list randomly gives a 1/3 or 33% probability of hitting scum. If you know the alignment of one player in the group to be town then you instead have a 1/2 or 50% probability of hitting scum.
Fortunately, every town player knows they are town so we can calculate the probability of eliminating scum both inside and outside the group (the group/pool/etc. meaning the list we published yesterday).
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* The group contains three town and two scum
* The outsiders contains two town and one scum.
* Every town player knows they are town
Assumptions I am making (these will all skew the derived statistics to appear scum favouring and are unlikely to be all true)
* Scum will never vote to eliminate their scumbuddies
* No town have any information about players' alignment other than their own
From this we can calculate the expected value of a random player dayvigging both in and out of the group by taking the average of all the probabilities.
Shooting in the group:
* scum1 in group: 0%
* scum2 in group: 0%
* town1 in group : 50%
* town2 in group : 50%
* town3 in group : 50%
* scum1 out group:0%
* town1 out group: 40%
* town2 out group: 40%
average = 28.75% (and this is very generous to scum)
Shooting outside the group
* scum1 in group: 0%
* scum2 in group: 0%
* town1 in group : 33%
* town2 in group : 33%
* town3 in group : 33%
* scum1 out group:0%
* town1 out group: 50%
* town2 out group: 50%
average ~= 24.875%
Shooting randomly with no respect to the group (3/7 because each town knows not to self elim):
* scum1 in group: 0%
* scum2 in group: 0%
* town1 in group : 42.86%
* town2 in group : 42.86%
* town3 in group : 42.86%
* scum1 out group:0%
* town1 out group: 42.86%
* town2 out group: 42.86%
average ~=26.79%
Shooting outside the published list gives us a worse probability to hit scum than shooting inside the list.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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How would elimiating rathe today confirm NM's alignment?In post 434, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:While I understand the maths for shooting on the list, I feel voting for rathe would be quite a powerful move at this time, and would confirm Not_mafia's alignment as anti-town.
Why did you specifically say anti-town rather than scum?
What woudl we learn abot n_m's alignment if rathe flips green?
What woudl we learn abot n_m's alignment if rathe flips red?MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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VOTE: mad hater tea party
I dayvig mad hatter tea party
going to wait until my next prod and then remind people that we should eliminate this slot bye
pedir yeah like look at how mhtp has basically just been saying my arguments suck without explaining why and never providing direct answers
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mhtp who was the other and where did they do itIn post 518, Ythan wrote:
Interesting interestingIn post 516, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:You are the second person to state something to this effect.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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can you provide some kind of mathematical proof as to how scum could have created a list that provides no new information to town?In post 599, Ythan wrote:
I don't think we get any new information if we do.In post 597, bugspray wrote:Why not publish today
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wait, that's legal?In post 602, The Bulge wrote:
?? they can publish the exact same list as before, only with not_mafia's name removed.In post 601, bugspray wrote:
can you provide some kind of mathematical proof as to how scum could have created a list that provides no new information to town?In post 599, Ythan wrote:
I don't think we get any new information if we do.In post 597, bugspray wrote:Why not publish today
i find such a prospect dubious
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would there be any difference if we hit scum? they could just give the list minus the scumIn post 623, Ythan wrote:We miseliminated tho. I think that's a feature not a bug.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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the game mechanics explicitly allow multiple publishings and have fules for that. if we were never supposed to then the inclusing of those rules is a design mistake and datisi wouldn't allow such a mistake to creep into the next iteration of this gameIn post 631, Ythan wrote:Sure maybe it's a flaw? Were we ever supposed to publish twice or was it more about when we publish? Good subject to consider in the post game.
i'm very suspicious of how much you seemingly aren't dissapointed/upset by this bullshit and i feeel like the people who wanted to nut button publish the first list were scum who knew how not very useful it is
holy fuck this is basically just nightless mountainous (not fun) with added set theory (not fun, in the context of mafia)MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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will there ever be a situation where scum is unable to publish a list that is not a subset of an already published list? it's possible they neglected this fact and now that we're talking about it so publicly there is no reason not to unless im forgetting that there's night killsMY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
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bugspray They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
- Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 3960
- Joined: March 19, 2019
- Pronoun: They/Them
- Location: somewhere else
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bugspray They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
- Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 3960
- Joined: March 19, 2019
- Pronoun: They/Them
- Location: somewhere else