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why was ythan your strongest scumread at this point? was your vote serious?In post 67, mozamis wrote:Town now Moz, Dunn, DKK, Not Mafia.
3 scum in Ythan, Hatter, Bugspray, Michael and Bulge. And that's vaguely in order of scummiest to towniest.
I guess that means if I was calling scum team now I would go for:
Ythan, Hatter and Bugspray.
what do you mean by differing playstyles? do you mean different from 'the usual' for each player? how familiar are you with this playerlist? Or do you mean different from each other, like a variety of differing playstyles? if that's the case, what makes you think it's as a result of the geriatric ruleset?In post 70, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:My thoughts on the game so far are few, the post restriction mechanic is an interesting one that appears to have evoked several differing playstyles and I am eager to see where this will turn the game.
good postingIn post 80, bugspray wrote:Moz is doing a good job of trying to look busy but those reads are hot garbage and [p]78[/p] is just feels like scum trying to look town by asking someone to contribute to advancing the gamestate in a way that they know the person won't. The follow up right after is probably damaga control after Moz realized that they said something which conflicted with a previous post slightly
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i don't know what you could be referring to
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did your early ping on hatter influence your moz read?In post 109, Ythan wrote:
32 doesn't feel like a natural thought to me and 33 is jumpy. But then Hatter made a big fluffy 39 and jumped on the Moz wagon in a way I didn't like, then made another big fluffy and very self focused 70 I didn't like either.In post 107, Michael Scott wrote:@Ythan: Wanna talk to me about what you don't like?-
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you had me as town and promised to explain later (which never happened), but now I leave no impression?In post 116, Michael Scott wrote:VOTE: Bulge the slot leaves no impression on me; if Koba moves off it I move off.-
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In post 142, mozamis wrote:At the moment we have Notmafia, MIchael, Hatter all doing their bit for the soul of comedy, but not much for the game.
Gun To Ears reads:
Moz, Dunn, Michael, Hatter, Dkk town.
2 scum in other four.
I liked Hatter's post demanding "gun to head reads".
So scum in Bulge, Not Mafia,Bugspray and Ythan.
you don't have any honest scumreads?In post 143, mozamis wrote:I guess Ythan is lurker read, NM is usual impossible to read.
So if i Had to call it now, I would say scum Bulge and Bugspray.-
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why are you so certain of that?In post 172, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:I find myself concurring with Ythan. The battle of Bugspray and DkKoba is not a pretty one.
UNVOTE: Ythan - I am keen to see where this clash of the titans goes - one of the two is most certainly to be scum in my opinion.
this is a very weird thing for town to say
from this last page bugspray is definitely no longer my strongest townread lol-
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MOZAMIS
this game is far too short and slow for you to be ignoring direct questions, especially when half your content is commentary on other players' contributions to the gamestate, and most of your posts are prod dodges or useless fluff.
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why was ythan your strongest scumread at this point? was your vote serious?In post 67, mozamis wrote:Town now Moz, Dunn, DKK, Not Mafia.
3 scum in Ythan, Hatter, Bugspray, Michael and Bulge. And that's vaguely in order of scummiest to towniest.
I guess that means if I was calling scum team now I would go for:
Ythan, Hatter and Bugspray.
what does this mean?In post 118, mozamis wrote:Worried that I am shifting from Captain Obvious to Generall Gullible though, so more detailed read tomorrow.
moz's iso has way too many random readslists for how little content there actually is. this is a super easy way for scum to appear consistent/like they are scumhunting, but moz has done absolutely zero scumhunting or any sort of talk about his scumreads, and has only hunted town. I don't like how he felt pressured to throw an additional townread down on koba when I asked him if dunn was his only read. all of the posts I would deem game content is similarly reactionary or could easily be agenda-driven (such as the vote on me+asking Hatter for thoughts on me after Hatter expressed some interest, while moz has not explained his read on me and is ignoring my content, so is obviously not actually interested in sorting me)
VOTE: mozamis
if anyone wants to convince me otherwise then have at er! but there's no way this is town lmao. bugspray's thing about him being "mech confirmed" is completely out of pocket-
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hm I must have missed where koba and moz shared their thoughts?In post 191, bugspray wrote:does anyone other than koba and moz have opinions on the bulge?-
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In post 185, The Bulge wrote:
what does this mean?In post 118, mozamis wrote:Worried that I am shifting from Captain Obvious to Generall Gullible though, so more detailed read tomorrow.
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hi I still exist!
I had a rough week to put it simply. I'll read through the game this evening and try to be more present going forward.
moz had multiple votes on him pretty much the whole time he was alive so treating that as a stagnant wagon might turn some useful results. I only skimmed EoD and oof it's been a few days since I was really involved in the game so I dont have much to comment on atm-
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In post 330, bugspray wrote:@mod if we publish does the daily post cap reset fore the next day pohase?In post 332, bugspray wrote:we're gonn a use all our fucking posts before publishing or else im gonna dayvig someone randomly using the dice tag
wait huh one of us is confused hereYthan wrote:Do we actually need two weeks though I think that we do not.
there is no post cap per Day phase, only per actual 24h day
publishing the list also resets the deadline but that's not what bugspray asked. and no, we definitely do not need to wait out any of that 2 week deadline before hammering this, that's ridiculous, this is a micro-
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who were you talking about wanting to vote here? and if I'm the Bulbous One, what situation were you talking about?In post 235, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Where I would want my vote to be placed ideally, would result in a banishment rather quickly. Given there is still in excess of 6 days upon the clock, that would be rather detrimental.
The other two would simply look down upon my vote with bemusement and swat my poor vote aside as though t'were yesterdays tea...
I am curious to see how The Bulbous One reactions to the situation that is being pressed firmly upon him.
I don't understand this postIn post 294, Rathe wrote:
ur reads have been very weird i think i am sheeping my townreads im sorryIn post 285, mozamis wrote:worries me a bit that you seem to be sheeping my reads
and it doesnt make sense that im mafia sheeping ur mafia reads
that means im outing my partners
why did you vote here?
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why is it indicative of that? the entire game has been slow and stalled, probably because of the geriatric rules. this is baseless conjecture.In post 412, bugspray wrote:The Moz wagon stalled and if a wagon stalls it's indicative that scum is either unable to or unwilling to make a counterwahln and I believe they were unwilling to make a counterwahln because they know Moz was town-
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something somethingIn post 415, The Bulge wrote:I think you and I are 2/3 town on the list, off the list I think Hatter>Michael>Rathe in terms of scum likelihood, and I way have way too many fucking scumreads.
dunn
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i closed a gap between dunn and rathe for my sanity's sake because there is really not a whole lot of towning it up going on in this game people-
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I want to take a look at hatter to see if I can find anything that supports my gut feeling they're happy with the slow unproductive pace of the game. not sure how to better explain atm and like I have no meta experience with them but it seems to me that they're holding back somewhat in terms of actually advancing the game, just the impression I get from their style.-
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a question cannot be a misrep. you said that there was no counterwagon because scum didn't make one, I'm saying there was no counterwagon becauseIn post 420, bugspray wrote:
This is a flagrant misrep. Every coubterwagon being led by scum is absolutely different from what I said.In post 417, The Bulge wrote:like what are the grounds for even saying that? do you mean every time a wagon stalls that's what's happening, or just in this game's context? are you saying that every counterwagon is led by scum?
Geriatric or not if the scum were unhappy with the gamestate they will do their best to change it.nobodymade one. your scenario doesn't explain why the wagon stalled in the first place. I think it's because of the slow pace of the game, and I'm not really sure why you think it has to do with how scum is directing the flow of the day. I was curious if you think this is just always the case in situations like these, or if you're commenting specifically on this game's situation. thank you for clarifying that, but I still think your original thought is incomplete and underdeveloped.
obviously, this is not about post count. in fact your activity is part of what makes me suspicious. your post before this one is an excellent example: I think you're most concerned this game about appearances. you make sure to stay up to date on relevant discussion, but there is very little game-advancing content, and almost no original lines of questioning from you all game. you just kind of... say a lot of things. your posting frequency and manner of writing lead me to believe you are capable of being a greater asset to town than you have been.In post 423, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:
This one does amuse me.In post 421, bugspray wrote:Every single one of the bulge's arguments are LHF that stand up to little scrutiny. 419 is calling out a lurker with more words.
Read a bulge post and ask if it looks like it genuinely is looking for scum
Disregarding of the matter that I am the second most active player in the game...In post 419, The Bulge wrote:I want to take a look at hatter to see if I can find anything that supports my gut feeling they're happy with the slow unproductive pace of the game. not sure how to better explain atm and like I have no meta experience with them but it seems to me that they're holding back somewhat in terms of actually advancing the game, just the impression I get from their style.-
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I've been doing some interesting reading today! Hatter has two completed games on site, both town, and I read through their Animals uPick iso along with a good chunk of the game, and then skimmed their iso in Superb Idea. Animals uPick sees our friend in the thick of it all along, staying consistent with lines of questioning for several different slots, prodding at players at risk of flying under the radar, and ensuring that their own stances are clear and their actions justified. You would only need to skim their iso to see that their convictions are strong (of course I'm not just talking about pushing a Guilty), and despite the roleplay aspect also present here, their content comes easily and naturally.
Compare this now to the game at hand, where Hatter has hardly commented on any posts not addressed to them, and almost seems to go out of their way to not directly put pressure on any particular slot. Much of their iso is mechtalk, and much of the real game content (or even the fluff/shitposting, for that matter) is in response to a post directed at them. Any time we get a glimpse into Hatter's reads or thoughts on gamestate, it's passive and inconsequential, with absolutely no engagement (besides mozamis), which is in stark contrast to the vigourous scumhunting initiative we've seen from townHatter, following up on every conviction and placing themselves at the center of every line of questioning. It's the difference between an investigative journalist conducting interviews, and someone giving a play-by-play from a helicopter.
I believe Hatter is finding it difficult this game to create meaningful content. It would explain the abundance of mechtalk in a not super mechanically intensive setup (they even resort to focusing on the geriatric ruleset on more than a handful of occasions). Maybe it's nerves. There was something early on in their iso promising content eventually once the game had progressed past RVS, which pinged me at the time, and I found nothing like this in either of the towngames I looked into. I've also noticed they might be leaning on or at least making reference to their gimmick more in this game than others, but I'm not sure about that one and don't care to cross reference at the moment. I mentioned that despite the gimmick, in the other games, Hatter's posts flowed more naturally (taking into account the differently paced games, of course) and they were unafraid to take the spotlight when pressing their reads. I believe the lack of anything resembling that level of initiative here indicates that Hatter is less comfortable playing this game for some reason, or that they are intent on not making too much of a splash any which way and thus content with the unproductive pace of the game.
There are only two notable examples this whole game of Hatter engaging another player who did not first engage them. Besides the aggressive stance against mozamis, all we have this game from Hatter in terms of consistent and explicitly game-relevant engagement with another player is when Rathe subs in. Don't quote me on this, but new replacements are an excellent opportunity for scum who haven't been producing a tonne of good content to swoop in and show off a little. This is especially true in the case here where Rathe is [presumably] a newbie, with whom Hatter already has a rapport. I believe they saw an opportunity the moment Rathe subbed in to begin developing a narrative that he was not playing to his town meta, which was of course followed up by both of them appearing off the list and Hatter quickly advocating we eliminate between the two of them and widely-townread Michael Scott. Hatter probably feels confident in a 1v1 against Rathe, and has been laying the foundation for it since he joined the game. The line of questioning directed at Rathe is by far the most initiative Hatter has taken all game, and besides setting up the newb replacement for a potential miselim, they also gain some sort of credibility for finally actually pushing a stance this game. The timing of this all, and the congruency in contrast to the rest of Hatter's inquiries this game, make it impossible for me to dismiss this as coincidence.-
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I can pull quotes and citations yada yada if anyone seriously asks, but anything I made reference to is in the isos if you care to look and see for yourselves. I will point this one out in particular though before I dip out for now:
The part I bolded here. it screams "caught for the wrong reasons" to me. the most detrimental part of holding that opinion should be that it is not a correct one because you are town. Not because you didn't get your due process.In post 309, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:
Nuance is a very powerful tool, and extrapolation an interesting one.In post 306, Rathe wrote:mad hatter i think u r mafia i dont want to battle too much with u
A discussion and clarification is VERY different to a battle. That you immediately jumped to this being a battle speaks volumes about how you consider me and my positions in this game. Extrapolation then leads me to believe you are fearful of me for some reason. We now enter "tinfoil" territory. I believe this is due to the interactions you've witnessed between myself and mozamies, and you are fearful of my turning my attentions to you and establishing the connections between you both.
Refusing to engage with me will only be detrimental to you, ultimately. Locking a read on me with so little witnessable process is also incredibly detrimental overall in my opinion.
For now, I am confident throwing a solve out of Mozamies and Rathe both reading independently and associatively.-
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I realized while typing up a post that we can technically afford a miselim today, although glancing back I'm not sure how many people were actually confused about it. just in case anyone else isn't clear,this is not lylo. publishing the list did not [technically] affect our Doom Counter because it is capped at 3 and there are 3 scum still alive.-
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yikes that is a mess of a post. not sure yet what it means for Mike's alignment since I still feel so strong about Hatter, but I know I don't want to vote Rathe today.
very flawed logic. besides the obvious Wifom potential here, scum!Hatter has 2 partners on the list, so this objectively means absolutely nothing, since no matter what in this scenario scum is forced to advocate for an elim within a pool containing scum.In post 453, Michael Scott wrote:@Bulge, I don’t think scum!Hatter comes out of the gate today and starts by pushing for an off-list mis-elimination, when they themselves are off the list (e.g. 353, 355, etc.).
few things. first of all I think it would be stupid to put all 3 scum on the first list. second, any time we miseliminate, by nature of the game of mafia, the pool narrows. third, obviously the ideal Daytime outcome for scum in any game is to achieve a miselimation. So with all this considered, assuming scum is highly unlikely to give any spread besides 2 on/1 off with the first list, even their ideal scenario (a miselim, whether on or off the list) narrows that respective pool down to a 50% chance, higher (66% or 100%) ftpov of the remaining townies in that pool. Scum is in a very tough spot tomorrow regardless of what happens today, since there is a higher scum:town ratio than usual, and because we have more information (from the lists) than the average town in a vanilla setup.If Hatter is scum and there is an off-list mis-elimination today, then that just puts them in a difficult 1vs1 tomorrow. Your argument wrt to Hatter’s push on Rathe is that they are taking advantage of the fact that Rathe is new, and that scum!Hatter would be inclined to put themselves off-list with Rathe to setup a 1vs1.
this next whole paragraph is incredibly disconnected from reality.
ok, and they're not, so? They suggested we elim off the list but haven't pushed one way or the other very significantly. Pay attention to Hatter's posting today. they've been so on the fence between wanting N_M and wanting Rathe today that I thought they were a squirrel.I could see why scum!Hatter might target Rathe specifically for a 1vs1, but I don’t think they would push for that 1vs1 to take place today.
if we miselim on the list today, why in the fuck would we try to hit 1/3 instead of 2/4 tomorrow?? like you said, they can't just drop the Rathe push without looking bad, but Hatter has certainly not done anything to personally ensure today's elim goes one way or the other. they have admitted themselves they expect or have at some point expected to be today's elim. My theory is that they don't want to stir the pot and risk giving us any additional associative tells to work with, since we already have the foundations laid for gathering that information in the form of our lists (ie, we have several pairings that cannot possibly be partnered together, far more information than the average town at this point in the game), and since the outcome of today in the grand scheme of things does not majorly affect scum's shot at winning, imo, because no outcome leaves them in a particularly comfortable spot. I think the best play for scum today is simply to ensure the town doesn't gain any traction and start collaborating/finding each other and being generally more productive. there is a disproportionate number of scum in this setup, odds are high that we hit them throwing darts blindfolded, so ideally for them the game stays this slow, and the town continues to throw suspicions around left and right and jumping from wagon to wagon to wagon, so if we do manage to get some kind of useful flip, there isn't anything useful with which to cross-reference it.The better move, given how much heat Hatter has taken, would be to instead push for an on-list mis-elimination today, and then try to push Rathe as the final mis-elimination. Yes, Hatter did join us on Not_Mafia, but they also have put themselves in a position where it would be difficult for them to back off of their Rathe scumread if Rathe did become wagoned given their stances. If Auro and I started a wagon against Rathe and that wagon gained traction, then scum!Hatter is forced to join that wagon and then deal with the fallout (i.e., a 1vs1 against us) after Rathe flips town. If Hatter is scum, then I think they would want to avoid that scenario.
disagree. coming into today suspicious of both other players in Hatter's pool while still advocating to vote within the other pool would look incredibly scummy on the surface. Scum also isn't going to necessarily keep every single door open at all times. that's a very scummy and very risky way to present oneself in this game, so if they specifically chose Rathe as their target (which I explained in my previous post, vis-a-vis their rapport and Rathe's newb status) I see no need to include you as an out as well, if they didn't think it likely you'd be strung up today.What I would expect from scum!Hatter with an off-list group of {us, Rathe, Hatter} is to not fully commit to wanting to push either of Rathe or us. They might claim to strongly scumread Rathe, but they would feign some suspicion of our slot to justify wanting to eliminate from the on-list group. The fact that Hatter has taken such a hardline stance on Rathe being scum is part of the reason why I think town!Hatter and scum!Rathe is much more likely than the other way around.
however I will take a look at this later.I also still don’t buy that town!Rathe thought the scumteam was Hatter/us/Bugspray on day one but hammered Moz anyways because he thought it was pointless to try and push someone that he scumread.)-
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ok so if we did Rathe today and he flipped green, what would you suggest we do?In post 480, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Yes that was my mistake, my apologies. I am less concerned about being dismissed at this point, as it will suitably turn the attention to Rathe.-
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yea lmao can't say I expected that to work haha :)
In post 457, Rathe wrote:what if not mafia is town mad hatter but u r following michael scottIn post 473, Rathe wrote:u backed urself to a corner with 453
u gave a good point about mad hatter not being mafia
i agree cuz it makes sense but
then u had to scumread me
but u r wrong cuz i am not mafia
but i think u know that
hmmmmmmm aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh fuck this is concerning me now tooIn post 474, Rathe wrote:i dont know if notmafia is town n u r trying to kill a innocent
or if notmafia is mafia n u want the townpoints
but i am rly ok with my vote
hatter is town i am town u r mafia
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I think it would be best to. our best case scenario then gives us 2 conftowns. what's your suggestion?
can you elaborate on what specific connections you'd make with a hatter flip?In post 446, Dunnstral wrote:In my mind this game is revolving around whether Mad Hatter is scum or not right now
My thoughts are that there are some slots I have some suspicions on and most of them seem to want hatter dead
VOTE: Not_Mafia-
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@Dunn, 488?
I'm having some second thoughts. still would rather elim within the 3 today. I'll try to get a quick readthru in later today and sort out my thoughts some more.
and ftr, hatter, the spoiler tag makes it essentially illegible on mobile regardless of color. the black bar only appears behind the bottom half of the text for me :^]-
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In post 202, mozamis wrote:Jeez, the pronoun thing, I really don't get people's sensitivities on this one. But I mean no offence, go easy!In post 210, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Noted, Madam.
this is artIn post 212, mozamis wrote:@ Hatter - you don't have to be an arse about it, I clearly just didn't notice the "they" pronoun. Back off the fck off.
sorry im catching up rn on my break and this just killed me hahahahah-
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lol mb didn't mean to leave you hangingIn post 544, Ythan wrote:Hit me I'm all ears.-
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I'm tired of doing big long explainy posts and I'm definitely not putting effort into one now when given the trajectory of this game, a flashwagon might just actually be impossible, and I have better things to do tonight. but I'm here for a bit now so lemme find some shit I found while I was reading.-
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Auro spent all of Day 1 defending moz and calling his wagon lazy. Then he votes him enthusiastically for no reason, and from that point on, volxen takes the reins and shifts their position to push for moz scum. The next time Auro posts he is now "conflicted" about moz, and makes his stance abundantly unclear, followed by volxen asserting that moz and Hatter are opposite alignments.
my theory here is that Auro correctly identified the town LHF in mozamis early on, and decided to pick up townpoints going against the grain. Once volxen came into the game and realized it was an actual potential miselim, I imagine there was some talk in the hydra chat about shifting trajectories. This would explain volxen's oddly lengthy and focused first post, if they wanted to take advantage of having two heads to justify the shift in trajectory, and would also obviously explain Auro's awkward backpedal into a "conflicted" stance on moz. Setting up a moz/hatter dichotomy also plays perfectly into that following night's list selection.-
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more later but I have to run for a bit now, I urge anyone online to give mike an ISO dive, it's really not long. pay attention to where they are putting their votes, the relationships between other players they try to set up, and especially how much energy they choose to dedicate to some parts of the game while ignoring others.
I will support a NM wagon if it comes to it but I strongly believe that eliminating within the pool of 3 could be a make-or-break situation for us, having 2 conftowns tomorrow.-
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ALSO mike completely ignored my long post critiquing their view of the gamestate and expectations for hatter's play, except to try and point me in the direction of Rathe. why didn't you feel the need to defend your viewpoints, mike? I think it's because they were fabricated. if you're town, you should be working with me to come to some sort of understanding, I think you're massively wrong about everything in that post and by extension I largely disagree with your view of the gamestate, so why would you just leave it at that? if you're town, work with me, either convince me im wrong or make concessions where I'm right. if you're scum, squirm i guess.-
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ughfjfffffjdkskskamamaa
yea it really is. i questioned nm why he placed a nonhammer vote and he didnt respond.
yea i never got around to looking at Rathe individually. I felt really strong about hatter scum, then felt strong about mike scum, and my reread affirmed my townread of koba, plus Rathe's entrance in particular has town energy to me. now im getting the awful feeling I've done the thing I do all too often where I dig myself into this crazy tunnel against a townie and use up all my energy and motivation and then look at my posts the next day/peoples responses and immediately lose all confidence in my read and basically fucking burn out for the rest of the game.In post 568, Michael Scott wrote:@Bulge, why are you more interested in my towncase on Hatter vs my scumcase on Rathe, when I’ve talked about the latter more than the former? You basically dissected every point I made in that post about Hatter, while you haven’t directly commented on my scumcase on Rathe, even after I reiterated the case again in 513. Your 481 suggested that you would be looking into this yourself, but then you never elaborated on how Rathe’s content affects your read on the slot one way or the other.
In fact, you haven’t really talked about your read on Rathe. All you’ve said is that you didn’t find Koba to be scummy upon a re-read in 521, which was the same stance you had towards the slot at the beginning of day one. Koba’s content aside, what do you find towny about Rathe?
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i mean, this is a very reasonable solve if rathe is red, which like, fuck, yea, like I said above, i dont fucking know right now. My head is a fucking swamp.In post 573, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Michael is absolutely not the elimination here.
The solve is Rathe, Bulge and Not_Mafia.-
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Just had a thought and we ABSOLUTELY need to elim in the pool of 3. this gives us the option of using the list again tomorrow, which will force scum toremove a name from the list. so we in fact get 3 conftowns if we elim correctly offlist today and decide to publish another list (and we'd still have a 2 miselim safety net even if we do). if we hit town off list today we can still publish a new list without affecting the fact we're in lylo tomorrow and still get a conftown.-
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