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Post #6 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:24 am
Postby RationalMadman »
We should push for elminations today. Not for a NL and also not with the normal random-elmination(RE, as opposed to the former RL) strategy.
The setup is 100% open to scum, who know which PR can can catch them and want town to not use their free moselimination.
We stop at E-1 and before hammering let the person claim
If they are counterclaimed, we hammer on them. The other PR is probably useless to us but still is utilisable as a clear to lead the following day phase. Even if we hammer the real PR, it is as bad regardless.
So, we should talk as much as possible as this is a setup where the PRs only matter day two but where we as a town should put deep pressure on each other and scum from the get-go since we can't protect the investigative PR with a role regardless, so we're they're only useful for finding a scum member and dying the next night phase anyway.
If at E-1 they go un-counterclaimed (unCC'd) we unvote and let them lead the elimination today (again at E-1 we let the person claim).
No matter what, the PR is useless when it comes to finding both Mafia or WW. We should be hunting instantly and sharing thoughts.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #11 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:40 am
Postby RationalMadman »
If we play passive and scum hits a PR on night phase 1, we are potentially screwed in entirety as the results from the other PR meam absolutely nothing during day 2 regardless (si ce we don't know which type of scum it is)
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #13 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:42 am
Postby RationalMadman »
No matter what the PRs at their maximum capacity gain town one guaranteed correct elmination, that's all. Thisgame comes down to scumhunting and proactive town actions during the day phases.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
The chances are 1/5 if you mean the PR that can catch the type of scum but there's both Cop and Seer regardless if I understand the setup correctly.
So the odds are 40% not 25% but are 20% for the PR that cpuld physically have caught (and we won't know either way if a PR dies Night One unless the other found a guilty or wolf read)
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #22 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:42 am
Postby RationalMadman »
If Not_Mafia can't control himself and hold back from hammering as town, that is a severe violation. I don't want to be accused of OGI so I won't discuss the implications of that. However, it is 100% anti-town to hammer before the voted has a chance to claim in this setup even if you are one of the two PRs.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #25 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:51 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I don't think agent of chaos would be trolling like this as town. Even though fae may do this regardless, faer controbutions so far have intentionally been designed to aggravate and disturb others, as opposed to gauging reads from reactions.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #33 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:46 am
Postby RationalMadman »
Yep, that's what i meant.
But most effective play for mafia who getting killed then is claim PR which they fear (Mafia claim Cop, Werewolf claim Seer). They dying anyway and have nothing to lose, but can reveal PR. It's still 1vs1 though.
So it's impossible to kill mafia without revealing PR right now, as they WILL fakeclaim, if they are somewhat competent.
The PR can only ever reveal one mafia anyway, since there's no protective role to save them the following night phase.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #35 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:51 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I also townread Enchant not for what they said page 1 (or he, pronoun not revealed so I will stick to they) but because they follow up by consistently explaining that they support the lynch today just that E-2 is preferable to E-1 as we have a player with habit of hammering regardless. This shows me also that the discussion of odds was regarding how i stantly wrong things can go if the E-1 outs as a PR.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #41 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:22 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I did not play with agent of chaos ever unless it's a secret alt. I played many years ago (literally 6 years ago was my most recent game) and grew bored of mafia in general.
I recently got an itch to try it out again and this time wanted to take it a lot more seriously.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #42 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:23 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I've played on and off on other websites when Mafia was a casual thing, like epicmafia's sandbox on a random alt at times but not really seriously much at all for a long time.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #45 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:54 am
Postby RationalMadman »
In post 43, Enchant wrote:I got kicked from all epicmafia sandboxes for stupidity, so i dislike epicmafia for nontolerancy and don't want to see this name ever again.
Thx.
You interrogated me asking if I have played with Agent of Chaos before.
Agent of Chaos (AoC) has only been on the website since April 18th 2021, how could I have played with this individual before?
I do not know them and honestly the playstyle is basically hardball trolling where fae'd probably do that as either alignment, however since there's no indication of precisely what's being done with reactions to the trolling other than voting me based on a false allegation, I am inclined to scumread AoC.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #46 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:56 am
Postby RationalMadman »
In post 44, Robert M Hunter wrote:Hi, thanks for the primer on strategy, I'm noobish and never played a micro before. I thought it would be easier but it seems scarier.
This being the first message is intended to do nothing other than poke fun at me.
Even if you are playing as a casual, to have fun, why would your first post not just be 'hi, I'm here' and somewhat ignoring me?
I very much scumread this opening, it shows you have been reading everything and that your only feedback is you wish I'd try less.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #50 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:28 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I mean, this is also why I didn't vote AoC, I disafree that his reply saying claiming VT prevents him getting terminated is in any way a towny analysis (it's just fluffposting, making you upset with what was a fine post and analysis). That saod, I am certain this is trolling done regardless of alignment, I don't understand where I said AoC is mafia insteas of a wolf, so again it's fake/forced-searching for holes in thinking, it's just fluff.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #56 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:35 am
Postby RationalMadman »
Ar arbitrary as it seems, I do not think Robert would ever make those two posts as town. Who would open saying someone is overcomplicating the game only then to give absolutely passive response to a scumread? He'd either make a jibe back at me or would contribute more.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #77 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:41 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
I stand by my primary reason for townreading Enchant, I townread him for consistent contributions that are not just quantitative but qualititative high-scores.
Enchant has helped us even if they are scum, more than almost anyone else except I would say myself.
This is impossible to scumread to be perfectly honest. He hasn't fluff-posted much at all, has continually pressured and questioned. I will not read Enchant as scum unless extreme circumstances change and if I am somehow alive alongside them at a later stage in this game.
I can tunnel a scumread hard and do the same with townreads too and see no issue with it. I hard-townread, whether or not you agree with my reason for doing so.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #79 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:44 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
I don't support the bandwagoning of AoC based solely on the trolling, I will only join such a bandwagon if AoC flat-out refuses to change this day's vote dynamic from being AoC vs myself.
AoC would troll as either alignment and has been so active in the thread quanty-wise that I feel it is becoming a townsided thing. Why would fae post again and again and again as scum? AoC would probably back off or ramp up the trolling if scumsided in this scenario.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #80 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:45 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
In post 78, Enchant wrote:Just. Don't claim if you realised you are on E-2 or even E-1. Claim when town hate you and want cut your head off, unless you claim.
If one doesn't claim when E-1, that is just stupid especially in this situation/setup where claims are essential to de-escalating if on a PR.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #91 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
Even in the queue thread, AoC was trolling with their first 2 posts on the site, one actually personally trolled myself.
After I in'd, AoC said 'I see I will be in good company' sarcastically or something.
I won't mention more than that, you can see the post history (it was only 2 posts anyway and the other didn't apply to me). This isn't me discussing other games in this thread as it isn't even ongoing and was the queue thread.
AoC is very clearly not concerned whatsoever with how annoyed other users get towards faem.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #95 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:05 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
In post 94, Vanderscamp wrote:
I accept that last line, so why do you think they would be inclined to troll less as scum?
The stream of trolling has remained consistent, which is something I didn't mention and is a tell I noticed that is fairly top secret until I said it now but even though I say it, it will still be true. Something I noticed with troll-happy players is that as town, they keep trolling to the same level throughout the game. As scum, they tend to burst into further trolling or to sit back and let others fight.
This may not be true in longer forum mafia but in smaller games like this I think it's similar to the casual shorter formats I've gotten used to.
AoC's kept it to the same intensity and actually voted me to reaction-test me I think, though I don't see much done with reactions.
I don't know how to read this player but what I do know is that the habit of trolls as town is to keep it to the same level of quantity regardless of how the game is going.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #97 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:08 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
I also notice that when trolls are town, they love to vote anyone who suspects them, with a burning passion. On the other hand, as scum, they tend to try much harder to make it appear like at least their reason for doing so is more valid than just 'OMG you suck!'
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #109 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:17 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I said unCC'd PR leads another elimination. I was pointing out a hilarious irony. Twice now, in the original accusation and also here, AoC assumed scum are mafia instead of WW in his hypotheticals.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #114 (isolation #43) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:25 am
Postby RationalMadman »
I am very sure Robert wouldn't have posted only those two things and never posted again, however the hydra is doing the same. Both seem scummy to me. In this setup town want to talk quite a lot while scum want to hide as a default. There's nothing but pure fluff from Robert and the hydra but Robert's fluff didn't even make sense in itself.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
I nullread them as well, why do you scumread me? Your original reason was probably false.
Vanders easily could be asking good questions as either alignment, I don't know how to read it. Vander hasn't directly given bad nor superbly good advice, I definitely don't scumread it unless that's a particular meta for this individual.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #130 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:11 am
Postby RationalMadman »
At this stage, we have some active members, one is trolling but somehow still contributing, others are saying fine things and the inactives are all scumtelling by default.
Going for the lurkers is a viable strategy, I don't see another way. I would vote Robert over the hydra or N_M because of how passive the second message was, it made no sense unless he just wanted me off his back.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #146 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:09 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
Seems like a bluff to me, a clever one at that. The fact he was magically online now shows that he's been silently reading the whole time. I can't discuss ongoing games and he's in one so I can't bring up specifics but I don't think this would ever be his level of effort if he was a genuinely concerned town now. There'd be reads, pressure, everything.
Claiming vanilla is a clever ploy in the short-term because it's very easy to townread it.
I do not for a single second buy the claim or alignment. That is literally ALL he has to contribute? No.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #152 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:25 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
No, not same at all. Actually it makes perfect sense he magically shows up as scum if he was barely paying attention, his partner may well have warned him.
His partner could easily be you, considering you were online to instantly unvote as he outed.
I don't know what exactly you unvoted for, nor why you voted him if you had no basis. I am sure of my read more than ever and your behaviour here is the first time I have seen you break out of character with your trolling. Suddenly you are concerned and defensive over another player and pushing hard on a sudden townread on him.
If you got a better idea, go ahead and convey it. If Robert is town, he clearly is dedicated to being pretty useless this game in effort levels, I don't want to risk outing another player's role at all and if he's town the loss of a lazy vanilla is not an issue at all in terms of that the only better outcome is lynching mafia/wolves here.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #154 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:38 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
I assumed they did because it mentions a private thread for personal thoughts then says Mafia/wolves already have one. Will be useful to clarify anyway.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
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Post #155 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:40 pm
Postby RationalMadman »
Btw Vander easily did it instead of you, as could anyone eale pretending to be away or Robert himself but your reaction here is strangely concerned vs what you've been all game. You honestly tow read Robert's way of claiming and reacting? What are yoyr actual reads please tell some. Do you townread Enchant as well (as I do)?
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.