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Could you see yourself sticking with a Isis TR for a long period of time like you've declared about Koba? Ydra?In post 348, Infinity 324 wrote:
Why?In post 336, srckz wrote:Mafia can be played in a lot of ways, if the end result were to just townread people and then vote the scums with no ambiguous grey it would be boring
I just think in a setup like this I wouldn't be so forthright
I often have difficulty concealing my opinions, and I feel like if I post enough scum will know where I stand anyway. Also when I want to post in a mafia game I'll post and generally that post will involve thoughts on the game so /shrug
Also the grey area comes in who to townread and whyStop-
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I agree with you and thought this was beautiful to readIn post 446, Isis wrote:Emily I have played with every person in this playerlist at least one time, except for you, depending if you're an alt. I suspect other players in the game have many pairwise records like that too. I've possibly played over ten games with Dunnstral, probably.
I assumed you were probably Hectic or Pooky or some other enfranchised player, maybe a Kanna who had just gotten a lot more free time, or Karin, Pooky, or beeboy.
It does feel like an intimate gathering of friends. Seeing the way other people approach a deep social game like mafia makes me feel connected to them, even the ones I don't know in any capacity outside of mafia. Sometimes especially those ones? They all feel incredibly familiar to me. Even if I have less total bits of information about them, all the interactions being reduced to text, the reliability and purity of everyone's signature is preserved in a sort of special way. No one ever has smeared makeup that ruins the way I envision them. No one's voice ever cracks to ruin a savvy quip in line with some facet of their personality.
The economist in me always feels like this site needs to grow and stuff, but the community's incredible retention rate makes it a greenhouse of vibrant friendships and relationships, shared memories and expected personality interactions. It's a place where in its own way I understand lots of people and yet am understood.
I feel really sappy today. My doctor said my dosage might have some emotional effects.
I suspect this game will be special to me no matter who wins it. I didn't read a single player's name besides Dunnstral who invited me, and yet it's nothing but familiar faces.
I feel the weird need to express something that I can't quite put into words. But I saw a friend I hadn't seen in two years and Saturday and he asked what I'd been up to. I lie when someone isn't really interested. He actually was though. I told him about the crazy forum mafia thing. One particular site for it.
So much of me is here.
But like
I'm terrible meandering
We need to like
Get you into this game. And out of some kind of low information stage kind of relationship with it.
I guess I'll ask you about the resonance you had with Ydrasse, or she claims with you, about wanting to not be leashed but to be helpful.
Im trying to decide if I should clear you, or her, or both of you off of it. Because I think there is some world where mafia could imagine it as a hypothetical, but it is slightly hard to fake. For one thing mafia would be in the headspace where if they're leashed they will probably do the thing infy suggested where they shoot someone and nope on out the game?
Not gonna edit this or read pedits
I wouldn't even mind if Koba wanted to try and be more personable, I think that would tear down some walls between us
My initial response to be all 'rah' with them is that they're very competitive and don't see aspects as you've described
Warm fuzzy feelings damnStop-
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I would have MPD?In post 899, Anya wrote:but what if your inner voice is a wolf and is manipulating youStop-
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In post 1133, Chromium wrote:im home now but im going to take a mental break before diving in to the thread.
id really rather not be in PoE because I believe I can be reasonably read here as town by other townies -> if you do townread me, speak up. Don't let scums speak louder.
i feel like finally when i got aggressive against Isis wrt her mech suggestion, I crossed back into my old townplay which is read as "scummy" by people who read playstyle first and intent second.
i dont think im a hard person to read, people just are not comfortable in leaving their comfort zone to do so. like there's several actions i would have taken that would be scum indicative for me - like accepting isis' plan because it does benefit scum more for instance. or try to rush the day end under the guise of "theres nothing to do" rather than make an elaborate system under which people's reads can be better scrutinized(which IDK why people are trying to abandon because it is literally going to just help us down the line when people are flipped)
in my last towngame, i had lost because i didn't double down on a slot that was reading me in an incredibly uncharitable light just because someone was yelling that they were their townread and im not willing to make that mistake here.
i'd like to see more depth from others regarding their reads on others, i feel like there's little solving going on and too much mech focus and its hurting us.
i'd like to know if anyone has experience with scum!isis and if they feel that isis here is still within her scumrange.
i want to know why people are saying Anya is scummy -> I am not outting my own reasons atp, I want to see others' perspective because mine is very clearly different based on meta.
and i guess i wanna vent that the srckz slot has done nothing but dampen my enjoyment of playing here with how they have approached me. like im not sure whether im more disappointed in them as scum or town here because there's aspects of it that are horrible for either. like if you have in the past hardtunneled town me while also being town - it makes 0 sense to do 0 reeval when you are reading the same exact type of actions you scumread before as scummy again.
idk im fucking exhausted from IRL, and I feel so apprehenseive like there's not enough time, and i guess last resort i wanna say just let us resolve ourselves in the longterm, alisae especially will townspew in the longrun. if yall feel like that isnt true by limlo, you can always vote us (and lose) but thats not gonna happen here so i'm confident in saying that.
You should be more honest with yourself with posts like these instead of trying a uphold such a domineering personality that you do often. I would take earnest Koba 99/100 times. Why don't you like making posts like these? There's a bit of resentment in-between but I think it comes from misunderstanding. You don't know that literally when I'm responding to you with counterpoints that's just how discussion is. It doesn't need to be a declaration of war against your slot and you own beliefs. I don't know what they are half of the time, but I do think this is an attempt to try and explain. I cannot read your mind Koba, I only want to understand.
Even now with your paleness you still say stuff like 'im horrible' 'you hardtunneled me' as if the end result should be that You or me should look worse. I'll admit that sometimes I lash back because it goes with the old adage of"can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen", but if I am making the game less enjoyable to you I will find ways to approach your slot differently. Do note that does not mean I will immediately townread you, but I will find different ways to disagree. Just stop treating me like I'm your enemy and I want to ruin the game for you. I don't.Stop-
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Rare CIA Area 51 Footage koba doesn't want you to see!! You won't believe your eyes as unwnd changes his mind [Walt Disney is an alien?!?]
Lich we were in a game together, i initially saw kobaisms then gasp changed my mind
This flipped townIn post 911, unwnd wrote:I am willing to believe Rebel's change in tone is not exclusive to their alignment and will instead be judging them on their intentionsStop-
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Here's another game, the exact one they linked Booneytunez apparently another game i misread them lol
In post 4008, unwnd wrote:In post 4006, Titus wrote:
Probably because Koba's scum.In post 3999, SirCakez wrote:Why is Koba obsessed with calling Samantha third party?
Make no mistake I believe they're incredibly anti-town and detrimental to the gamestate
I just wonder if scum would ever not let themselves have this little quality control
Shock and awe, man changed his fucking mind
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All i wanted was to read them like i would anyone elseIn post 1368, Emily wrote:
Well I don't think that's the only thing you've done. I just feel you are trying to undermine and discredit them in a way that's not very good faith on your part.In post 1363, srckz wrote:Emily how can you say all I've done is try to undermine koba when every attempt to move past old meta is met with (here's another old game nobody will fucking read lest remember)
I die with that in my heart knowing it's true
I don't enjoy being constantly met with derision
My conclusion is that i have no read on koba as it's too much of a mental task to do so
I don't stop koba from existing, or get outraged if people don't scumread them
Or agree with something
This is the last you'll hear anything from me about this, you're free to believe what you wantStop-
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In post 1205, srckz wrote:
Lol againIn post 1204, unwnd wrote:In post 1133, Chromium wrote:im home now but im going to take a mental break before diving in to the thread.
id really rather not be in PoE because I believe I can be reasonably read here as town by other townies -> if you do townread me, speak up. Don't let scums speak louder.
i feel like finally when i got aggressive against Isis wrt her mech suggestion, I crossed back into my old townplay which is read as "scummy" by people who read playstyle first and intent second.
i dont think im a hard person to read, people just are not comfortable in leaving their comfort zone to do so. like there's several actions i would have taken that would be scum indicative for me - like accepting isis' plan because it does benefit scum more for instance. or try to rush the day end under the guise of "theres nothing to do" rather than make an elaborate system under which people's reads can be better scrutinized(which IDK why people are trying to abandon because it is literally going to just help us down the line when people are flipped)
in my last towngame, i had lost because i didn't double down on a slot that was reading me in an incredibly uncharitable light just because someone was yelling that they were their townread and im not willing to make that mistake here.
i'd like to see more depth from others regarding their reads on others, i feel like there's little solving going on and too much mech focus and its hurting us.
i'd like to know if anyone has experience with scum!isis and if they feel that isis here is still within her scumrange.
i want to know why people are saying Anya is scummy -> I am not outting my own reasons atp, I want to see others' perspective because mine is very clearly different based on meta.
and i guess i wanna vent that the srckz slot has done nothing but dampen my enjoyment of playing here with how they have approached me. like im not sure whether im more disappointed in them as scum or town here because there's aspects of it that are horrible for either. like if you have in the past hardtunneled town me while also being town - it makes 0 sense to do 0 reeval when you are reading the same exact type of actions you scumread before as scummy again.
idk im fucking exhausted from IRL, and I feel so apprehenseive like there's not enough time, and i guess last resort i wanna say just let us resolve ourselves in the longterm, alisae especially will townspew in the longrun. if yall feel like that isnt true by limlo, you can always vote us (and lose) but thats not gonna happen here so i'm confident in saying that.
You should be more honest with yourself with posts like these instead of trying a uphold such a domineering personality that you do often. I would take earnest Koba 99/100 times. Why don't you like making posts like these? There's a bit of resentment in-between but I think it comes from misunderstanding. You don't know that literally when I'm responding to you with counterpoints that's just how discussion is. It doesn't need to be a declaration of war against your slot and you own beliefs. I don't know what they are half of the time, but I do think this is an attempt to try and explain. I cannot read your mind Koba, I only want to understand.
Even now with your paleness you still say stuff like 'im horrible' 'you hardtunneled me' as if the end result should be that You or me should look worse. I'll admit that sometimes I lash back because it goes with the old adage of"can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen", but if I am making the game less enjoyable to you I will find ways to approach your slot differently. Do note that does not mean I will immediately townread you, but I will find different ways to disagree. Just stop treating me like I'm your enemy and I want to ruin the game for you. I don't.
Did this post look like i was trying to insult youStop-
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I really wanted the day to end. I don't get Koba's insistence upon 19 more hours of this. Overthinking can be cumbersome and I find the words on my monitor starting to blur. All I'm at right now is 'I'm going to the dungeon' I am more than fine with this and I won't combat it.
Ydra
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Anya/JohnnyFor my top half of reads:
This is my pile I think wins us the game if they're just all town. I'm really running on the faith that Ydra/Infinity/Isis is not just a team or cannot possibly contain a team. I think Ydra has strongly towntold and I will hold to that read even in my death. Cross her out of the potential deeply-embedded villain tier. Infinity/Isis in my head are sitting in stasis. I have noreasonto change my mind, but the game is still young. So why am I bringing this up? Or what's the point. I just think right now scum is just leveraging at best or just actually outpaced at this rate. The perfect game here is they're all town and we go home. I would say that I want to believe that but think Isis/Infinity would be great cop checks if we ever get them. So I would really like to see them in the dungeon at some point in this game.
For my bottom half:
This is the pile where if I'm lucky both scum are there, or at least one. I'm not going to think about none right now. I've been sitting here thinking about how the whole day has gone so far. Reflecting on my own readlist and thinking how it's formed. I wanted to talk about this dyanmic in a more nuanced fashion. Right now I think everything else that isn't revolving around (Ydra/Isis/Infinity) content is more obfuscated than it should be. I feel like right now Anya/Tweetie are at the bottom because of that, or at least for me personally. I'm not seeing a beating town heart that gets exicted at the opprounity of potential synchnorization. Their approach to the game felt very isolated and so with that I've been going with the idea this is because what we're talking about is either 1) Unapproachble by the means of 'it would be bad to dismantle' or 2) Don't know how to break the dynamic and instead sit and say nothing. In a nutshell- They don't seem into the game. Tweetie has outright admitted this. I can't remember their goals or what they're trying to get out of anything. There's some emotionally good stuff from people like Tweetie but the game might as well be advertised as an emotion communal at this point. I'm seeing their scumminess in the lack of progression and how they stifle.
For my middle half]:
I acutually have more to talk about here because I am the type of player who thinks about their nulls a lot. It is the pile I want to sort as soon as possible almost always.It might seem out of order but my middle is where faith is.. more dependent. For Dunn, I think his attempt to reach me was in a word good. I stand by what I said about Dunn being an earnest town player and I felt that earnestness. He's not in the top though because he's not in the range of (If town then we win). That isn't a reflection of what I think of his competence either, it's just not Dunn's game. I think in some regard Dunn recognizes this, so while he is a typically more muted player, he isn't pushing the issue. I would really like to see Dunn get a PR and then use it somewhere because I think he would make a wise decision and I've been operating on the idea of getting a PR is claimed information and claimed information means a way to read someone. Dunn is not an easy read to me, but when the game is early I don't feel like being all paranoid about him. I gave him a half-ass remark as to why I changed my mind so I deserved to provide further context. Emily is someone who (as ydra said, or close to it) playing a good mediator. She gets in the middle of rabble and tries to defuse it. That is a necessary thing to do and I appreciate that. I think I can't entirely townread it however because it is much easier to observe a conflict than be apart of it. That alone gives me very slight hesistance because I think she believes if she were to take hold of the situation it could turn out bad for her. Her reads right now do not simply follow consensus which is fine but not something I can think 'well her reads are different so must be town.' Scum enjoys the controversy I think. Chrom I have more I wish to say but I'm not trying to start another shitfight. I think they're null or town and if they're scum it won't be my job to figure it out and if anyone asked me to I would shrug my shoulders at this rate.
So to summarize everything
- Infinity/Ydra/Isis hopefully all town. Ydra locktown she can egoquote me if she's not. Cop check Infinity/Isis for good things to happen.
- Anya(Johnny)/Tweeite scum. Hopefully both but I would think at the very least one. They cannot keep up with the demand of this game and have soulless reads.
- Dunn/Chrom/Emily null. I have liked some things about these players and have said 'ok I townread it' but I'm going to decide to keep them here. Please put some of these people into a dungeon as I've suggested.Stop-
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I think what matters most is the cop, and right now the dungeon should simply be a revolving door. Me/Inf/Johnny all came out. Now put the people who apparently leveled up in. Why? Because we still have majority and scum had to lie about using their night to level up anyways, so you can determine and create an honor system this way.Stop-
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Why would I do that, I don't like being mislimmed but I would never let it decide my feelings in that way. I think you've been pleasant to be around and that's what is making everything more harder to unravel for me. Your pleasantness in my eyes could be a farce? It's a bit of a harrowing thought if I'm being honest. Your pleasantry is what I initially liked/townread, but your coarseness with me makes me doubt. It just feels like you're moving towards an objective that has been set up for this day. Do you really think me/Inf are scum here who would make the great plan of..incriminating ourselves? That kill doesn't happen if I'm scum, I shoot Ydra here everytime.In post 2375, Emily wrote:then you can give me shit in the dead thread about being a moron or w/e
I'm sorry I'm so tunneled but you really haven't posted anything that makes me think you're town and lots of other people have :<
That's another aspect that really gives me pause and uncertainty. I wish I had the proper answers to that one.Stop-
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Yeah that was not out of scum frustration
It was a desire to give something potent, and I don't particularly enjoy feeling rushed. Is that what's happening? Probably not. It's the same thing I said to Emily-- I got tired of content being about me. I literally cannot solve myself. I don't want to spend time defending and claiming this this and this. I was hoping the thread would pivot somewhere else and then I could use that as a springboard into other topics that I'm not being generous enough with
Pedit: I still need time to think about it? This should show you I'm not just giving you a fake answer
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Some parts of what Dunn is doing makes me think he's town? I just don't want to entirely bank on it. See if I die and I give out a poorly devised readlist
I'll feel bad
Not that you'll look back on it in consideration cause I don't think a lot of people do
It's just personal dying wishes and whatnot
If I'm alive however and I stop getting breathed on, I can probably elaborate a bit harder and make more satisfactory posts to myselfStop-
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I just find the discrepancy compared to D1 and D2 fucking shocking
Isis went from resolute to meandering and unsure
Infinity doesn't seem too interested in figuring out what the deal is either. They could just be disconnected with different goals as town, or they're scum who did the theater and don't feel like it doing it againStop-
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I don't like that you typed this because it appeals to my idea that townies are wiling to die for the causeIn post 2410, Emily wrote:now that I think about it, I think it's better to do a 1 for 1 if you think unwnd/me has 1 scum for certain.
either eliminate me, if I flip green then unwnd goes to dungeon alone
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eliminate unwnd, if he flips green then I go into dungeon alone.
Either way we will open tommorrow with 5 alive and me/unwnd dead.Stop-
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Cakez does what he wantsIn post 2421, Emily wrote:I think both you and your partner have made it clear that I'm your top suspect?
He's criticized multiple parts of my push on your slot.
We're not really in sync right now and that is again regretful but
He'd say whatever even if he told him not to, mostly because you have two town brains trying to meet halfway lolStop-
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Because I want to lim scum and don't appreciate just dyingIn post 2427, Emily wrote:
how is it pointless?In post 2425, unwnd wrote:Just lim scum, if you're not scum Emily then this is all pointless
I think if we are T/T here then flipping our cards would generate a lot of information for the town no? esp since we are the consensus for who the scum are?
I was cool with it for the bravado of D1
But I don't wanna go out like this, because I think the idea of 'oh this will generate information' isn't really thoughtful
Scum will look this and think 'wow I guess they just killed themselves' and nothing else lolStop-
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Rearrange that to EaT because you can EaT my assIn post 2450, Chromium wrote:I ignore AtE btw so dont botherStop-
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When I make those posts I don't think I am emotionally attuned
I make them because I'm being honest with you and giving you my slice of reality
Like what you do you want me to do? Lie? I'm gonna flip town lol
Maybe you and everyone else just think the things I say is really convincing so you think it's AtE because you're appealed to by it
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The only disparity is that you're saying I dumbbell because of the specificity of the kill, not necessarily how the mechanic itself worked
Yes, I didn't really put much thought into how it confirms what. I don't need to care about that shit. Cakez' confusion was with how Johnny died. And you know what? Yes in a hypothetical situation where me/Inf are scum we have to shoot in there but guess what I never fucking let Me/Inf go to the dungeon together if we're scum. I even said it earlier! What's my big brain move as Inf's partner to go to dungeon together and even say in-thread to do it? That's just condemning us immediately.
If I were actually scum here, I'd make your head spin so hard it'd fall off, you're disrespecting town me by misreading me but you're also disrespecting scum meStop-
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I looked back at some of my posts and I was like 'well emily couldn't do this' and I just told myself
Why couldn't she? And why should I be talking myself down on this at this rate. If I can't figure out a bus it likely just means scum are just waiting in the wings. It's not really relevant to how I think about Emily and making that mistake has left me frozen. Just constantly sitting here like 'who could Emily's partner be' and I realize that's afflicting. We'll get there if we have to. And if Emily is town? Then fuck I got some motivation back because then I know I've been completely off course. Just some things it's better to commit to.Stop-
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Well shit I didn't expect you guys to do itIn post 2801, srckz wrote:You should see that me not faking solves should be enough for you lol
I'm vanity voting Dunnstral, I expect nothing to happen but whatever
VOTE: DunnstralStop-
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I feel like scum has to vote Dunn here right?In post 3153, OkaPoka wrote:Dunnstral -5 - Isis, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet, Ydrasse, srckz-5 - Isis, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet, Ydrasse, srckz
At least, a decently aware one
I can see why Tweetie might think Isis could be it in that regard but dunnoStop-
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