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[Rockhopper]

I intend to townslip repeatedly and hard this game.

Careful, you may hurt your bones!

[Rockhopper]

I don't understand the setup. Can anyone be a lamb and summarize it in simple words?

++

[Rockhopper]

Okay, now it's slightly clear.
Lets scum hunt then.

VFP why did you say everyone above you is town?

I just feel that the posts before me had no scum motivation to them.

wasn't it obvious?

TMI???
{Vfp, arc} GG wp

[Rockhopper]

Okay, now it's slightly clear.
Lets scum hunt then.

VFP why did you say everyone above you is town?

I just feel that the posts before me had no scum motivation to them.

wasn't it obvious?

TMI???
{Vfp, arc} GG wp

What is TMI?

Too Much Information (about someone's alignment).

[Rockhopper]

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

[Rockhopper]

p t

[Rockhopper]

Hi!

Cows don't wear clothes

NM is crumbing seamstress guys vote him out

[Rockhopper]

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

[Rockhopper]

Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Yeah, her busywork/lamist ignorance/seriousness towards VFP's joke post all seem scummy.
But is any of that AI? Do you have other reasons?

[Rockhopper]

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[Rockhopper]

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

I think Faria scum slipped and then just fake posted as Gamma to cover it up.

Spoiler:

That was a joke.

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It could just be the truth tho.
What's far fetched about talking with a hydra partner through discord?
And why would there be a need to make a fake cover up post as the partner even if the slot is scum?

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

What more you expect to say? Clear you as a town. No way. You could be totally lying as you don't want the bride choosing you?

I was being sarcastic lel. Everyone's either town or scum.
I get that you meant it was NAI.

[Rockhopper]

Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Yeah, her busywork/lamist ignorance/seriousness towards VFP's joke post all seem scummy.
But is any of that AI? Do you have other reasons?

If it's scummy to you, why you're waiting for others' opinions instead of voting?

VOTE: Rockhopper

~

Faria

They seem scummy objectively, but I don't think they are indicative this early.

[Rockhopper]

@rockhop - why didn't you claim your suit earlier on? It's kind of weird I'm the first one asking this

-hop

I wasn't aware of the mechanics/strategy.
Better safe than sorry.

[Rockhopper]

@rockhop - why didn't you claim your suit earlier on? It's kind of weird I'm the first one asking this

-hop

I wasn't aware of the mechanics/strategy.
Better safe than sorry.

did any specific post prompt you to claim it?

Yes, but I prolly would have claimed anyway

[Rockhopper]

Dw, your purple text is distinctive enough to tell

[Rockhopper]

Is it purple? Sucks to be colour blind.

[Rockhopper]

I don't think the Gamma hydra would make this slip
ActionDan seems to have noticed the same stuff i did here so is less likely scum since scum doing this strat then getting the other to point it out for towncred is super -ev

taking them out of the subsequent pool leaves (NM/VFP/Arc)

-Hop

VOTE: Panthers

It's quite strange that you conveniently leave out possible situations that involve town!me to push your confscum!rock narrative.

Assume the team is {actress, seamstress} for instance. Why don't you think a mystic could lie about their role to essentially become an activated innocent child or something of that sort? Dan seemed to have suggested the idea in his posts, but you just straight up discard it??

Even if it's just {actress, actress}, why would lying about having a seamstress suit necessarily point to me being scum?
It isn't harmful to town in any way and can help increase the likelihood of scum slipping up the way I see it (which I think is the case here).

Your case doesn't look like something that comes out of a townie mindset, since I'd expect town!you to actually analyze how sensible a lie would be from either alignment before jumping to such an extreme conclusion.

[Rockhopper]

The bride proposes marriage!

I did not expect this to happen this soon.
I obviously would have revealed that I didn't in fact have any suit after everyone claimed.

[Rockhopper]

The bride proposes marriage!

I did not expect this to happen this soon.
I obviously would have revealed that I didn't in fact have any suit after everyone claimed.

ERgo arguments that I was just fakeclaiming to avoid getting proposed are unfounded.

[Rockhopper]

I just ask directly.

If you are Mystic, but decide to claim VT, stop being dumb and claim immediately. There's literally no benefit in hiding.

Rock, did you lie about suit and why?

Yeah, to confuse scum. I'm a VT with no suit.

In a world where I actually do have a seamstress suit, and the mafia are {actress, seamstress} - a good assumption to make since 2 seamstresses would prolly give each other suits to avoid being caught by a possible proposal, or would otherwise attract too much attention with a seamstress suit claim based on the fact that having 2 undisguised seamstresses is very -ev for scum - why would it be dumb for the second mystic to hide? It's better to be an IC with the activated modifier than without.

[Rockhopper]

Pink Panthers is revealed as:

Pink Panthers

Vanilla Townie

You are a Vanilla Townie.

You may utilize your vote in order to eliminate a player from the game every day.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Good Luck.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

T3 is revealed as:

T3

D1 Town Bride

Once per game, and only during day 1, you may target a player. A mod post will be posted in thread stating "The bride proposes marriage!". The effect depends on how the player reacts.
If they decline: There will be a mod post stating "The marriage was rejected..."
If they accept: Both you and the player you targeted will have their full roles revealed by the moderator. If a player has a suit, the suit will be revealed instead.


You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Good Luck.


The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

Both us and T3.

I’ve seen bad open wolf plays but Rockhopper’s really takes the cake. lmfaooo

Ah yes.. a

townslip

There's no way you don't actually know about suits.
That's literally the core idea of the setup.

[Rockhopper]

I just ask directly.

If you are Mystic, but decide to claim VT, stop being dumb and claim immediately. There's literally no benefit in hiding.

Rock, did you lie about suit and why?

Yeah, to confuse scum. I'm a VT with no suit.

In a world where I actually do have a seamstress suit, and the mafia are {actress, seamstress} - a good assumption to make since 2 seamstresses would prolly give each other suits to avoid being caught by a possible proposal, or would otherwise attract too much attention with a seamstress suit claim based on the fact that having 2 undisguised seamstresses is very -ev for scum - why would it be dumb for the second mystic to hide? It's better to be an IC with the activated modifier than without.

What you mean by "Activated" modifier and what benefit Mystic have with no-claim?

The mystic can choose when to become conftown I mean.

[Rockhopper]

If NM isn't trolling, it would imply a scenario where the mafia disguise each other and the 3rd oracle lied as well.

[Rockhopper]

Enchant NM and I = basically conftown but we don't know who NM picked.
SMOKE is not confirmed town because they could be actress.

SMOKE?

[Rockhopper]

If NM is vt then Rock is basically confscum.

Why? What do you think of 190?
This makes me reconsider my read on PP

[Rockhopper]

looking at 190, I may have suggested a VT is lying but I was really being pedantic, because usually I'm under the working assumption that town

don't

lie. It's hard to fault PP from incorporating that tenant into their mechanics argument and then reaching the obvious conclusion. Speaking of lying; Rockhopper what were you hoping to gain from yours (how would this confuse scum)? If we are in the Actress/Seamstress/2 oracle world, which it appears we are, there's going to be a seamstress vulnerable to briding, and a fake suit claim could solve that problem.

It forces them to follow a different line of thought, which imo could be mildly telling since they'd know for a fact that it's a lie.

An Actress/Seamstress world would imply some townie lying about not receiving a suit. That's unlikely since a proposal would most definitely cause their elimination and a claim change to mafia would look too suspicious. I don't think anyone here believes that the benefits of increased cognitive load outweigh the cost of dying.

223; 227; Rockhopper; Enchant; where is this notion of a 3rd oracle coming from? Is there any reason to assume some other person is lying?

Based on that assumption, there would have to be another oracle if NM is telling the truth since {seamstress,seamstress} is the only logical scenario where no town gets a suit if I'm not wrong.

[Rockhopper]

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

This was sarcasm.
I wasn't really denying anything.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Arcangel

[Rockhopper]

Oh, I thought you scumslipped, nevermind.
I lied about having a seamstress suit, Arc.

VOTE: Pink Panthers

[Rockhopper]

Oh, I thought you scumslipped, nevermind.
I lied about having a seamstress suit, Arc.

VOTE: Pink Panthers

What why pink panthers? His role is literally confirmed by the mod.

It could be a suit, they aren't conf!town.

Why did you lie about your role?

[Rockhopper]

There can only be 1 mystic, right?

Not necessarily!!

Mafia Actress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic, Vanilla Townie x5
Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride,

Town Mystic x2

, Vanilla Townie x4
Mafia Seamstress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x3, Vanilla Townie x3

If NM is telling truth, we should lynch Enchant. His oracle claim is bird shit then.

I thought she TMId the setup here

[Rockhopper]

Oh, I thought you scumslipped, nevermind.
I lied about having a seamstress suit, Arc.

VOTE: Pink Panthers

What why pink panthers? His role is literally confirmed by the mod.

It could be a suit, they aren't conf!town.

Why did you lie about your role?

I was skeptical about the mass claim and also wanted to check what roles reveal first. With Enchat oracle role, NM Mystic role and I am being the Mystic. I feel there is a high chance that one of them is lying.

So you're now claiming that you're didn't receive the suit. If so, why did you say so?

Read my iso.

[Rockhopper]

There can only be 1 mystic, right?

Not necessarily!!

Mafia Actress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic, Vanilla Townie x5
Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride,

Town Mystic x2

, Vanilla Townie x4
Mafia Seamstress x2, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x3, Vanilla Townie x3

If NM is telling truth, we should lynch Enchant. His oracle claim is bird shit then.

I thought she TMId the setup here

But that would contradict my assumption in 243, so it could prolly just be a genuine town error.

[Rockhopper]

{PP,Action,VFP} is my scumpool currently.

[Rockhopper]

Unless the team is exactly {NM, Arc}.
Idk.

[Rockhopper]

Spoiler:

I don't think the Gamma hydra would make this slip
ActionDan seems to have noticed the same stuff i did here so is less likely scum since scum doing this strat then getting the other to point it out for towncred is super -ev

taking them out of the subsequent pool leaves (NM/VFP/Arc)

-Hop

VOTE: Panthers

It's quite strange that you conveniently leave out possible situations that involve town!me to push your confscum!rock narrative.

Assume the team is {actress, seamstress} for instance. Why don't you think a mystic could lie about their role to essentially become an activated innocent child or something of that sort? Dan seemed to have suggested the idea in his posts, but you just straight up discard it??

Even if it's just {actress, actress}, why would lying about having a seamstress suit necessarily point to me being scum?
It isn't harmful to town in any way and can help increase the likelihood of scum slipping up the way I see it (which I think is the case here).

Your case doesn't look like something that comes out of a townie mindset, since I'd expect town!you to actually analyze how sensible a lie would be from either alignment before jumping to such an extreme conclusion.

You lied in a massclaim and i still see no reason why you did. Outside of possibly 'not getting checked by bride' which you say below wasn't your main goal, i fail to see the motivation.

Scum!you here would have made a mistake and town!you would have done it genuinely and presumably with a good reason which i haven't seen
how would you expect scum to slip up as a result of it given they would know you didn't have a suit
the harmful element comes if you are scum as you can be doing it to attempt to avoid being checked or if you're town from this scenario where you're doing things scum have an incentive to do which makes you look very much like scum
i ignored situations where town lied as town should not have lied. it's very strange that you find this unreasonable, even though you disagree with the conclusion

The bride proposes marriage!

I did not expect this to happen this soon.
I obviously would have revealed that I didn't in fact have any suit after everyone claimed.

ERgo arguments that I was just fakeclaiming to avoid getting proposed are unfounded.

This is not in fact obvious as there was no incentive for you to do it in the first place. Who would you be trying to fool here, because scum know whether they gave you a suit or not. you're literally only lying to town there

These two posts overall read as very defensive (given the vote which happens again later) which does feel like caught scum more than dumb!town

-Hop

Scum I expect would slip up (or react differently) *because* they know I'm lying. It may not be a sure shot strat but it at least could have given us something to work with.

Why would scum!me (in an actress/actress scenario) fake a seamstress suit and ask for a massclaim for the purpose of avoiding a bride shot knowing that the existence of only 1 oracle would point to my suit being a lie?

And if I know for a fact that there IS another oracle who fakeclaimed vt (in an actress/seamstress scenario where the actress is given a disguise), what incentive would I have to retract my claim at all?

[Rockhopper]

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

Lol! What lie btw??

~

Faria

Faria said that they want to discuss with Gamma first before confirming on the mass claim and after few posts they just claimed VT. When I asked about it. I became a suspect.

would you deny this?

For the last time and my time zone is UTC+6, so calculate yourself!

Spoiler: On Your Face!

Is this allowed?
Definitely town though.

[Rockhopper]

Targeted ActionDan.

NM is not mafia, because he didn't shot anyone. He is also not Oracle, because there should be reveal. Of course it's possible he is mafia/Oracle who decided to do nothing... Do you believe NM will not shoting when he can and not using ability when he can? Don't answer on this one, and assume him as VT.

The role pm states that scum on death

may

use their 1 shot vengeful ability, no?
{Arc, NM} is still possible because scum choosing seamstress just to confuse town with an extra oracle seems unlikely, with the potential briding element.
Does NM usually fakeclaim as town just for the lulz?

[Rockhopper]

Spoiler:

I don't think the Gamma hydra would make this slip
ActionDan seems to have noticed the same stuff i did here so is less likely scum since scum doing this strat then getting the other to point it out for towncred is super -ev

taking them out of the subsequent pool leaves (NM/VFP/Arc)

-Hop

VOTE: Panthers

It's quite strange that you conveniently leave out possible situations that involve town!me to push your confscum!rock narrative.

Assume the team is {actress, seamstress} for instance. Why don't you think a mystic could lie about their role to essentially become an activated innocent child or something of that sort? Dan seemed to have suggested the idea in his posts, but you just straight up discard it??

Even if it's just {actress, actress}, why would lying about having a seamstress suit necessarily point to me being scum?
It isn't harmful to town in any way and can help increase the likelihood of scum slipping up the way I see it (which I think is the case here).

Your case doesn't look like something that comes out of a townie mindset, since I'd expect town!you to actually analyze how sensible a lie would be from either alignment before jumping to such an extreme conclusion.

You lied in a massclaim and i still see no reason why you did. Outside of possibly 'not getting checked by bride' which you say below wasn't your main goal, i fail to see the motivation.

Scum!you here would have made a mistake and town!you would have done it genuinely and presumably with a good reason which i haven't seen
how would you expect scum to slip up as a result of it given they would know you didn't have a suit
the harmful element comes if you are scum as you can be doing it to attempt to avoid being checked or if you're town from this scenario where you're doing things scum have an incentive to do which makes you look very much like scum
i ignored situations where town lied as town should not have lied. it's very strange that you find this unreasonable, even though you disagree with the conclusion

The bride proposes marriage!

I did not expect this to happen this soon.
I obviously would have revealed that I didn't in fact have any suit after everyone claimed.

ERgo arguments that I was just fakeclaiming to avoid getting proposed are unfounded.

This is not in fact obvious as there was no incentive for you to do it in the first place. Who would you be trying to fool here, because scum know whether they gave you a suit or not. you're literally only lying to town there

These two posts overall read as very defensive (given the vote which happens again later) which does feel like caught scum more than dumb!town

-Hop

Scum I expect would slip up (or react differently) *because* they know I'm lying. It may not be a sure shot strat but it at least could have given us something to work with.

Why would scum!me (in an actress/actress scenario) fake a seamstress suit and ask for a massclaim for the purpose of avoiding a bride shot knowing that the existence of only 1 oracle would point to my suit being a lie?

And if I know for a fact that there IS another oracle who fakeclaimed vt (in an actress/seamstress scenario where the actress is given a disguise), what incentive would I have to retract my claim at all?

my model of scumyou involved you making a mistake that you didn't realize was a mistake
i'm factoring in your comments about not being sure about setup stuff earlier

i do agree that in the seamstess/actress/2 oracles world you are more likely town because it would be weird to retract that if you were expecting another town to come out as oracle and at that point it's easier to believe it coming from town thinking it was a good idea initially. i would take Arc flipping town as you being more likely town, and Arc flipping scum as you being more likely scum. do you think we're in the actress/seamstress world? what do you think happened to the 'missing' n0 action?

-Hop

I didn't consider the idling case.
But noting the timing of everyone's first post I'd say it's unlikely. NM is the only player who arrived a bit late, but his partner could have decided the roles if he was scum.

[Rockhopper]

Targeted ActionDan.

NM is not mafia, because he didn't shot anyone. He is also not Oracle, because there should be reveal. Of course it's possible he is mafia/Oracle who decided to do nothing... Do you believe NM will not shoting when he can and not using ability when he can? Don't answer on this one, and assume him as VT.

The role pm states that scum on death

may

use their 1 shot vengeful ability, no?
{Arc, NM} is still possible because scum choosing seamstress just to confuse town with an extra oracle seems unlikely, with the potential briding element.
Does NM usually fakeclaim as town just for the lulz?

Yes. I simple doesh't believe NM would ignore his chance to shot someone. If he IS mafia, then by not shoting he harmed mafia faction by not killing Bride and suggest for remaining mafia member to surrender.

This is first time he actually fakeclaim, i think.

That's true, but it's possible if he thought confirmed scum!NM would point to scum!Arc.
I should give it more thought tho.

[Rockhopper]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

[Rockhopper]

Why would anyone push at the first post? I don't understand your response.

I'm just joking. The post is irrelevant.

This feels too awkward to be scum theatre.

[Rockhopper]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

[Rockhopper]

in the scenario of Arc!scum who would you read as more likely town/scum?

-Hop

Town- Gamma Faria, VFP based on interactions
Scum- NM based on mechanics

Why i am not Town in this situation?
Why NM mafia based on mechanics?

Conftowns excluded.

The theory I had in mind was that Arc fakeclaimed oracle and bussed NM as an attempt to convince town the setup was indeed seamstress/seamstress who disguised each other since it would have looked really bad for NM otherwise.

why are you still considering NM as possible scum?

-Hop

Scum only with Arc.

That's the only reason I can think of for why she would have done that as scum.
And I don't really believe her claim because I find it unlikely that the setup is {actress,seamstress}

[Rockhopper]

There's scum in {Dan, VFP, PP}

PP's posting yesterday seemed towny and 400 makes {VFP, Arc} unlikely (and their interactions early D1).
That leaves ActionDan.

VOTE: ActionDan

[Rockhopper]

Assuming ofc that it isn't {NM, Arc}

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Rockhopper

this is your first meaning full post.

i agree.

VOTE: Rockhopper

What are your reasons?

Assuming ofc that it isn't {NM, Arc}

No.

Do you think it's probable?

[Rockhopper]

I targeted Rockhopper, because if you are town, he is most likely not.

You seems had same thoughts, which is interesting.

I targeted Rockhopper, because if you are town, he is most likely not.

You seems had same thoughts, which is interesting.

OH
yes
Enchant and Arc are both town .

How

[Rockhopper]

400 makes {VFP, Arc} unlikely (and their interactions early D1).
That leaves ActionDan.

Ignoring the fact Arc was at 2 out of the 5 votes required at that point, making the threat of hammering moot, elaborate on how you reached this POE conclusion.

Oh, that was a genuine mistake
Still think {Arc, VFP} is unlikely.

T3 is conftown and both Enchant and Arc can't be scum together.
Meaning there has to be scum in {VFP,PP,you}.

PP seems townier than either of you and since I don't think it's {Arc, VFP}, you are the better choice.

[Rockhopper]

this game is officially being stalled. We should get going with Rock today.

Un-stall by making your case on me

[Rockhopper]

{AD, VFP}
{AD, Arc}
{AD, Enchant}

{VFP, Arc}

{VFP, Enchant}

I will assume this is what you mean. The advantage is 3 cases to 2 cases. That is a difference, but not a major one. Do you have no thoughts on either of our content to pair with this?

3/4 to 2/4. That's major.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Rockhopper

this is your first meaning full post.

i agree.

VOTE: Rockhopper

What are your reasons?

[Rockhopper]

But you lied too

[Rockhopper]

Scum I expect would slip up (or react differently) *because* they know I'm lying. It may not be a sure shot strat but it at least could have given us something to work with.

What do you think of this?

[Rockhopper]

Which probably leads to town arc which then leaves
Enchant/VFP
Enchant/Rock
Rock/VFP

Does rock make that claim without intent for one partner to claim mystic? Not sure if Rock/VFP makes sense unless they didn’t bother to think about the setup/their claims

Enchant/Rock makes sense associative wise from Rock's iso. pure omgus pushing on my slot without any good reason to this point, pushing Dan, has VFP in pool
don't see thoughts i like trying to sort the mystics from rock- literally doesn't mention anything on Enchant except assuming they're conf.town is stated indirectly once

Dan what are your thoughts on my thoughtspews/any sound like they make sense?

-Hop

These are the only two posts I could muster any care for.

To the first: No idea. I don't think the claim made any sense from a town perspective, and I tend to not care about rationalizing it from a scum perspective, as you get into WIFOM territory. It could be a seamstress trying to get some equity for not being brided. It could be just some cheeky play with inextricable lines of thought behind it

For the second: I broadly agree, though the argument goes more against rockhopper. I tend to analyze associatives by looking less at scum's posts towards your person of interest than of their posts concerning flipped scum. Considering Arc's posts towards rockhopper if rock flipped scum I'd definitely eliminate enchant over arc if it comes to that (but I'd eliminate VFP before either)

Again, there's no reason for me to retract my suit claim if Enchant is my partner.

[Rockhopper]

Why do you think notmafia started as VT? Couldn't a seamstress have changed him to VT? Regardless, based on that info I feel like rock is the clear choice so I'm gonna go with t3 on that
VOTE: Rock

How does going from a seamstress suit claim to VT benefit me as scum?

[Rockhopper]

Scum I expect would slip up (or react differently) *because* they know I'm lying. It may not be a sure shot strat but it at least could have given us something to work with.

What do you think of this?

I don't think the Gamma hydra would make this slip
ActionDan seems to have noticed the same stuff i did here so is less likely scum since scum doing this strat then getting the other to point it out for towncred is super -ev

taking them out of the subsequent pool leaves (NM/VFP/Arc)

-Hop

VOTE: Panthers

It's quite strange that you conveniently leave out possible situations that involve town!me to push your confscum!rock narrative.

Assume the team is {actress, seamstress} for instance. Why don't you think a mystic could lie about their role to essentially become an activated innocent child or something of that sort? Dan seemed to have suggested the idea in his posts, but you just straight up discard it??

Even if it's just {actress, actress}, why would lying about having a seamstress suit necessarily point to me being scum?
It isn't harmful to town in any way and can help increase the likelihood of scum slipping up the way I see it (which I think is the case here).

Your case doesn't look like something that comes out of a townie mindset, since I'd expect town!you to actually analyze how sensible a lie would be from either alignment before jumping to such an extreme conclusion.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

-Hop

???