Micro 1016 | Newbie Game But Not Really | Town wins

[VFP]

I'm an IC enabler.

[VFP]

VOTE: No lim

[VFP]

VOTE: No lim

Vfp is this you trying to repeat Ircher’s GIM, except you’re culting me now?

Yes I'm going to recruit you and then promote you to leader!

[VFP]

This reminds me of that bastard game someone had a second mod made account in the game and posted on the the wrong account.

[VFP]

I don't feel like Jester would actually be in this game.
It's a "newbie game but not really" so I'm thinking the roles are just gonna be newbie/normal roles but with some bastard twist.

Yeah this is what I was thinking.
Jester in 9p games are always so rare even as bastards anyway.

[VFP]

The more I look at Vax's ISO the more it just looks like opportunist onto Korina.

VOTE: Vax

[VFP]

I think they are talking in another PT. Maybe one with players outside the game.

I don't see how town Vax gets to this and also thinks its scummy even if it were true during axbastard game.

[VFP]

So are we mass claiming?

[VFP]

I'm also a "vanilla" townie.
Today I have submitted myself, FMFT, and Vax as I didn't expect any VTs in the game, but nothing.

[VFP]

And stop voting me, Lukewarm! We were once lovers!

[VFP]

Ok, well, Pickles/FMFT are also lock-ICs I think.

@vfp did you submit an action or just a name?

Just a name as I wasn't sure what to put.
I assume if I have anything then it's probably night time.

[VFP]

No, stop reranding me!

[VFP]

So I targeted myself with an action and put to receive a day vig.
I'm not sure if there's any relevance to doing this but I have received a new role PM with a lot redacted on there. I had to confirm my role so I have gone with Town Day Vig since that's what 9 asked for.
I don't actually know what role I am or my win condition but the redaction is in red.
I have 3 numbers showing and before each redaction (4 total) there is a letter which spells out code. Encase it triggers anything by saying them I'll do some quick math below.

2+3
9-1
3x7

Anyone know what these mean? Or did anyone get anything from Lend?

[VFP]

Did you get any numbers or anything?

[VFP]

But I can't see my role?

[VFP]

I could be mafia now for all I know!

[VFP]

VFP, what were you last game?

The game I was a Dolphine and you recruited me?

[VFP]

Oh, I was VT.

[VFP]

But I was.
It's a bastard game and it's not a different game to the first.

[VFP]

So you think I was scum lying and the game was re randed with the same roles used and I'm still scum?
Get your head out of your arse.

[VFP]

You were sent a "Vanilla" Town PM?

Originally yes.
This time no.

[VFP]

Lol so Korina is confirmed scum now. Easy pickings.

VOTE: Korina

[VFP]

Dayvig Korina

[VFP]

No I wasn't scum but I did lie about the role I got.

[VFP]

Nah you're not, you're actually a scum role I think and that's why you thought I was scum before.

[VFP]

It wasn't mafia PT when I was in it. So Korina is confirmed mafia now though.

[VFP]

I wonder if I'm actually a day vigi or not though.

[VFP]

We were masons and I clearly say I don't want to out as a Mason in a bastard.
And you obviously see where I say we could be Mafia.

[VFP]

Well we will see if my shot goes through or not.
Otherwise we just lim you anyway.

[VFP]

Luke in post 5:
This is my first real scum game.

Thats not what Luke said
Either you're lying or stuff has been edited.

[VFP]

You realise it probably isn't even the Mafia PT if you're actually not a mafia role now, right?

[VFP]

Yeah you're lying.

I call him my Mason lover.
Luke wants to crumb
I say no because we might be scum.
I say what we should claim

Etc etc etc.

But you're claiming to be scum right now. So that's that.

[VFP]

Actually you can see my reasoning to thinking that we might be scum so I wasn't too sure if we were masons or scum at that point.

[VFP]

The two of you rolled scum with the following abilities:
“Storming Thunder”, “Kick”, “Second Elimination”, “Game Over”, “Screw The Mod” and “Factional Nightkill”

Uhhh what?
We had 4 abilities for a start.

[VFP]

Also, how do you know this is the incorrect phrasing?

Because I had a conversation about the possitibilities with him.
Nice try though.

[VFP]

There is zero claim of masons in the thread.

Funny that when you just said I mentioned masons:lol:
Caught in a lie

[VFP]

I'm guessing Korina was just scum from the start and is just lying rather than anything being edited.

[VFP]

Because given how you spoke before in our last game, you're not one that wants to break rules.
Even when you read a comment wrong by me and said not to ever accuse.you of breaking rules. You are not copying like you are trying to say here.

Unlucky buddy.

[VFP]

Luke, if you deny this message as well, it means the two of you are scum again, because scum!you has zero reason to deny this occurring at this point.

I'm saying that you are lying here.
Because that message never once happened.

I'm admitted to suspecting to be scum.
We also only had 4 abilities not 6, and Luke wanted us to crumb masons.

[VFP]

I don't care about breaking the rules at this point. I already know more or less what will and will not get me modkilled. If I get modkilled for this shit, we know for a fact that I was telling the truth, and you're scum again.

Perfect, so you not being mod killed means you are lying

[VFP]

Because why would I be modkilled for stating private communications, unless they were 100% truthful?

This is my point. You are not posting what is said because you know it will lead to a mod kill.

[VFP]

Okay so no mod kill means you are lying.
I know that you're lying here so we lim you

[VFP]

The fact you're denying this ever existed means you have something to hide.
When I flip, and you see that I was actually telling the truth about having access to the mafia pt, you die.

Spoken like someone who knows they aren't being mod killed

[VFP]

Nice tactical AtE there, Korina.

[VFP]

As per the rules, the specific timestamp breaks it, so when I'm modkilled for this, you know I'm telling the truth because the mod has *zero* reason to modkill me for it.

And as soon as you're not mod killed we lim you.
You fucked up and now you're going for AtE

[VFP]

Oh look, not mod killed

[VFP]

That was a tactical replace out if I've ever seen one.

[VFP]

It's because he fucked up saying that he is scum now.
He reacted in a panic like he did when he was confirmed cult. Just a bit more extreme this time.

[VFP]

I'm telling you now.
He goes from not caring hoping to be mafia banned trying to appear to be breaking the rules.
As soon as confirmed replaced, stops posting.

Thats not someone who hopes to be banned, but rather replacing out and obliging to the rules.

[VFP]

It was obviously a bastard element.
I wouldn't even believe your role PM alignment right now and I feel like me and Lukewarm was scum previously.

I still can't see what my role is. I targeted Korina here and PM to no result.
So I'm guessing either someone used something on me or Lend just randomly picked me to fuckery with.
Maybe I sent too many names to Lend.

[VFP]

I think we should mass claim again.

[VFP]

If the roles are swapped this means that someone may get the thread again instead of Korina.
It will be interesting to know what they are seeing there.

[VFP]

VOTE: Lend

[VFP]

Let's get this mod outta here!

[VFP]

Bad pickles!

[VFP]

The deadline will be frozen until a replacement for Korina is found.

Is this a lie?

[VFP]

I'm actually VT this time.

[VFP]

But sure me and FMFT can 1v1 here.

VOTE: FMFT

[VFP]

I'm thinking the best thing to do it speed lim one of us right now then speed lim the other if wrong without a chance to re roll.
I have reason to believe that FMFT is lying here about even receiving a result.

[VFP]

Nothing is credible anymore.

I want to see what happens.

So this is why I thought you were lying as I didn't believe you wouldn't consider this.

I agree though we need a lim to know what is going on. I do think that the game is unsolvable.
I wonder what triggered the second re do but as a VT I'm actually okay with being the sacrifice.

This may also remove a kill if we are just serial killers.

Everyone's thoughts on this?
Regardless we should act sooner than later though

[VFP]

Someone attempted to kill the mod, but the attacker was hit with a pan instead.

Day 2 has begun! Day 2 will end on the 20th of June, Sunday, 2021 at 8am EDT.

I did, yes.
If I was to receive a scum roll in the process of taking too long I would be throwing.

[VFP]

Okay, who targeted who?

I targeted NM so VT's are not serial killers.

[VFP]

VOTE: Lend

[VFP]

I AM AN INNOCENT CHILD, MOD CONFIRM THIS

[VFP]

5, 8, 21

This is the code I received before the re roll so I want to see if it doesn't anything in game.

Also I feel like there's 1 role blocking all roles right now.

[VFP]

Leave Cupcake alone! >:|

[VFP]

I get voting out scum reads, but we won't win with just random voting the entire time.
And I doubt that you all scum read Cupcakes here?

[VFP]

VFP - what exactly were you trying to do yesterday?
What did we gain from you lying and saying FMFT was scum?

What, you need to explain this a bit better here before I lock vote you.

[VFP]

Someone attempted to kill the mod, but the attacker was hit with a pan instead.

Day 2 has begun! Day 2 will end on the 20th of June, Sunday, 2021 at 8am EDT.

I did, yes.
If I was to receive a scum roll in the process of taking too long I would be throwing.

Knew I remembered somebody saying this.

If you claim to attack the host -
You would have to be scum mate...
Probably gonna be voting VFP later.

For some reason I quoted the wrong person. My response to I did yes was this.

I'm thinking the best thing to do it speed lim one of us right now then speed lim the other if wrong without a chance to re roll.
I have reason to believe that FMFT is lying here about even receiving a result.

Do you really think it's a good idea for you to get speed limmed here, VFP?

[VFP]

But I think Pickles is scum here. Unless they can show where I lied on FMFT they are trying to mis rep me.

[VFP]

Actually come to think of it, I stated who I targeted last night so Pickles isn't reading the small amount of detail there. And trying to play my response to Cupcakes as a response to the mod when it clearly wasn't is just scummy.

VOTE: Pickles

The only thing with FMFT was them claiming a cop result on me, me claiming VT and saying that they are.lying, FMFT taking back that claim.

Pickles is just scum here.

[VFP]

Spoiler:

I was flopped on the situation

I accidentally flipped you guys.

I accidentally flipped you guys around

I am not sure why Pickles felt the need to explain this 3 separate times, literally back to back - so apologetic

@VFP
Any response here:

If no one else in any reroll has gotten a number code AND no one else in any reroll has had redacted information, then I am questioning the claim

VOTE: VFP

Any explanation on why you, and you alone would have got that kind of info during the rerolls, but no one else did?

Probably the same reason Korina got the mason thread we had... Bastard game.

[VFP]

UNVOTE: Pickles

Okay I believe Pickles here.
I also feel bad with how Pickles reacted there!
Just for the record, I wouldn't be offended, it's a game of deceiving.

[VFP]

It's mod

[VFP]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

[VFP]

Okay that's interesting then.
Did anyone get this role originally?

[VFP]

Who was originally cop?

[VFP]

Notice how there's no dead list on OP?

[VFP]

Hmm going off what Pickles said..
What is the roles are x shot and carry over on a re roll?

[VFP]

So I just targeted NM but I didn't pick an action.
The person who attempted to kill the mod may not have been scum either as even I was actioning with the idea to kill.

Who targeted Lend? I want to see if it's true or Lend is lying.

[VFP]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

No, FMFT and Tris were the masons/mafia in the second bout of rolls

tris and I were mafia previously.

Ah sorry I thought he said he was VT all 3 times but apparently he didn't.

[VFP]

You realise that my name was the last name on the re roll.
Thats most likely why my role was redacted.
And I obviously wasn't scum after the first re roll so I could have just said VT. That was obviously not a lie.

The push from Luke on me does seem scum motivated though. Flipping me as town will make them look more town and probably try a theory that scum will bounce between everyone.
I'm starting to scum read Luke here because they have an idea how I play and this isn't scum me.

Impress me Luke or I'll lock us into a 1v1 trade with no going back.

[VFP]

Okay next posts from people are voting me or Luke.
A town flip on either of us is a quick lim the other with no chance of a re roll.

VOTE: Lukewarm

I don't care what order, a trade is a trade.

[VFP]

If me or Luke are ever at E1 we should self hammer.
Not doing so is a scum claim, but again I think we need to do it quicker than not so go go go!

[VFP]

I think you forgot to vote there, Cupcake.

Scum in found in me or Luke. Confirmed.

[VFP]

Because I'm confident here that Luke is scum.
And if I'm lying then I'm obviously scum.

Luke knows that I am stubborn on 1 v1s and I think that's what he was hoping I'd town read him on. Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

Regardless just vote 1 of us.
Not doing a self hammer at E1 is a scum claim.

[VFP]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

We both.know that's not how I work.
This is practically a scum claim from Luke.

[VFP]

Mine or Lukes scum buddy will not be in favour of this.
So anyone avoiding voting in us goes into the scum pool.

[VFP]

Like right now my choices are vote blindly, or 1v1 you over this. Its all I see. I choose the 1v1 every time. Even if I am wrong, it is more interesting then apathy voting.

Then there's no issue here.
1st to E1 self hammers.
If town, then speed lim the other.

[VFP]

Because I made the second claim when others were confirmed scum?
What's your argument here? Town me lies, but scum me keeps lying?

I'm sold on you being scum though.

[VFP]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

When have you ever seen me be productive?
To be clear, I'm happy to be the first lim (due to another thought on the side). But if that happens there will always be a speed lim on you.

You're in a situation where you can't back out of it as am I.
So I'm not sure what the issue is here since to you I'm scum.

[VFP]

Or I got the role.
Regardless I am saying you're scum
You are saying I'm scum

There's 100% chance of scum in us.
There's no trying to talk the way out of it tomorrow.

[VFP]

Stop back tracking!

[VFP]

Sounds good!
We just need some votes down now.

[VFP]

Hmm, no I just saw the word code. I put 2 and 2 together and thought that the numbers meant something.

[VFP]

Nope I only keep 1 role PM for each game I'm in.

[VFP]

I use my inbox to indicate my game amount, nothing more.
As I said, I know you're scum, you know I'm scum so I'm not sure what this dance is you're trying to do.

Also, scum me just makes up I still have the PM not hard to do.

[VFP]

"It just spells out T L B.
No idea what this means. However, I've just noticed that the second number is bold. So maybe this indicates it goes first?"

"So this just spells V F P... so I'm guessing it could just be a troll."

See how easy it is to lie. Considering you believe I can make a lie up about the role on the spot, but I can't lie about it being in my PMs shows that you're reaching.

[VFP]

The reason I know is because you are looking for reasons to back out of it.
Like now. Trying to implying you weren't sure even though you have previously been implying that you are.

[VFP]

It's like FMFT.
I knew it was a lie, but what I thought was more scum is that FMFT didn't consider it was a fake result in the claim, not the claim itself.
And I was right, it wasn't true.

Just like I'm right here.

[VFP]

No, I was right on FMFF he wasn't a cop.
But try and dis credit.

As I said. I don't understand why you try this dance... but you are heavily trying to go back as I could be town because you're scum.
Scum is in me or you. Tomorrow walking backwards is a scum claim and I'm not going to let you do it if I'm the lim.

Unless you actually want anything discussed, you're just trying to clog up the thread and back pedal. We'll leave it to the voters, but you're getting limmed today or tomorrow that's the least of it.

[VFP]

You're not getting out of this 1v1 how ever much you want to fill up the game.
And just to mark its not for show, 2 votes on me not Luke, I'll hammer and Luke is tomorrow.

No backing out of it then. No trying to mis rep my agenda.

[VFP]

Then talk in the thread.
Just stop talking at me to why I'm scum (not other shit, I don't care if its other shit) That makes no sense regardless of my align though.
All you have done is said what I do and don't do here... Even to the point of saying I don't keep PMs and that I'm lying there, instead of me, actually lying about what a PM says.

It's a circle that I really don't care for and is taking up too many pages where people are just going to lazily say something like T/T and try to write it off which is the opposit of what I want here.

If you want to say reasons for me scum tell them not me.

[VFP]

Just 1 more.

[VFP]

No I'm at E2.

[VFP]

It's not a ploy either.
Vote me and I'll hammer.

Then speed lim Luke tomorrow as they will self vote too or claimed scum.

I also have a theory where no one is dead.

[VFP]

I think a lim is better faster than not.
If a re roll happens before hand it just moves scum.

[VFP]

See ToS forums it’s the L word because of Town of Salem game.
Like the witch trials IRL.
I’ll get better.

You're good, people say it by mistake all the time. There's a difference between saying it by accident and intentionally taking a stand or something odd, for me at least.

[VFP]

If we’re just gonna lynch Luke afterwards, why not do it first?
From you POV VFP - you’re town and Luke is not.
After your flip as town, it would cause their death anyway.
Why would you ever even need to die?

I'd prefer a Luke lim first but I'm not really the type of player that doesn't give myself as an option when I feel confident here, since everyone's PoV I could be scum.

There's also the fact I want to see what happens on a lim. I have a thought about a second game further down for the "dead" list and this is why the roles in this game is just irrelevant.

[VFP]

Oh yeah, no kill.
1 more vote to go. Tris gets negative points for not voting.

[VFP]

VOTE: VFP

Go for it

[VFP]

As someone that never lies about alignment after hammer.
I can say I'm town.

Speed lim Luke tomorrow. You can clearly see that Luke was trying to get ways out of this and I just.wouldnt let it happen.

As I said, I don't think the game is over on my side though.

[VFP]

You made me question it for a minute, but I am back to being fairly confident you are lying about the pm

Don't let Luke talk out if it. Remember he said he will self vote so anything else is a scum claim.
He kept posting things like this. Being fairly confident means that I'm most likely scum. Then Luke keeps trying to downplay it as only suspicion. If you read the entire ISO from the start of this, you can see Luke keep flopping around trying to get a way out of this. Luke saying about my PM and wanting me to look was an attempt to try and change the read.
I do delete my PMs, but I feel that when Luke is frustrated here, it's because I'm not helping him get out of this 1v1 which he is clearly looking for an out.

[VFP]

If, and only.if, Luke flips town (I guess there's a 1% since its bastard) then I assume that scum won't be scum again, or at least until every living play has been.
This would mean that Tris is possibly town, and doing a full mass claim for a re roll 2 more times (if that triggers it) wouldn't be a bad idea.
This could give 5 town as after the 2 re rolls 4 more players can claim to have been scum.
With no kill, it would then leave 2 players scum.
All town should target Lend if you're a VT.

Again, this is only if Luke is town.
Luke scum, which is the most favoured option I'd say good luck on finding the other.

[VFP]

All town should target Lend if you're a VT.

I mean as a night action.

[VFP]

I mean, you can try and dis credit me but I'm proven to always reveal my alignment on hammer.

[VFP]

The fact you're saying I have no credibility because FMFT was town is a discredit on its own.
FMFT lied about having a cop result on me. I was right on FMFT here since lying about results is only scum sided.

This isn't hard to understand at all.

I've already stated why Luke is scum here. Read the ISO and see how they are trying to push it as most likely scum and keep trying to go back into something unsure.
The push originally is just wierd. If Luke thought I was lying and believed I was still scum, then after the second re roll there's no reason for me to change my mind and still believe I'm the scum. The argument makes no sense and Luke even tries to argue in favour to themselves both not knowing my meta enough and knowing it enough to expect what town me does.
You can't argue both cases here and Luke obviously wanted out.

Remember, at any point Luke is not self voting, its a scum claim.

[VFP]

Lukewarm was obvious mafia.
I gave him on a stick and the next day you all let him carry on with his scum ways.

[VFP]

Lend, what did the scum roles do?

[VFP]

Lukewarm was obvious mafia.
I gave him on a stick and the next day you all let him carry on with his scum ways.

By the way, I really did think that you were lying about that code. I was not making that up. I don't believe that there is a single thing that I said in our 1v1 that I did not believe, and I am pretty sure that I would have said it all if I was town.

My expectation was that you were going to reveal that you were lying in rerand 2

You said I was still scum, you didn't believe that.

What made me suspect you is there was no reason to assume we were town still. I was playing as if I was still scum. As soon as you called it out, I knew that you had re rolled scum and I couldn't be scum.

Also, I delete my messages. That's just wierd meta to lie about in any situation.