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I see color coded read list, I scumread. I don't make the rules.
Can be townie though.In post 52, Tracer Bullet wrote:what terrible scum theatre-
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Meg town.In post 65, MegAzumarill wrote:Obviously there's no scum in the game and we're all townies.-
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It is indeed not.In post 146, Wallflower wrote:
I don’t think I said thatIn post 145, MegAzumarill wrote:Your very casual about casting shade after saying you dislike frivolous votes.
Also isn’t this a game about casting shade?
I am confuzzled-
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Townie joke was town to me. Also not smart.In post 136, the worst wrote:
pls enlighten me i'm not that smartIn post 117, RCEnigma wrote:
Meg town.In post 65, MegAzumarill wrote:Obviously there's no scum in the game and we're all townies.-
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Lol I want to scumread it but if you switch Ircher and TW this is pretty much my list.In post 157, Tracer Bullet wrote:The eagerly awaited sequel to the best readlist ever:
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Give me a bit to outline what I'm talking about. Mostly this all stems around the gamma vote following the tracer interactions. The explanation didn't really bring down the scum equity of the vote for me.In post 215, Wallflower wrote:I see, but I also don’t
(I must admit that I sorta like the response. It’s keeping me on my toes!)
PEdit: what do you mean by “said scum!play”?
But there was something in the meg interactions too. I'm sure it'll ring a bell when I read back.-
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Off the cuff throw in of the scumread leads to -In post 131, Wallflower wrote:Maybe, but I guess what I’m saying is that I think it would have been done in a different way if Tracer were scum?
Not enough for me to conclude that they’re town, but enough to give me pause.
Also, magazu is probably just scum
Handwaving megs issue instead of addressing the why gives scumpingsIn post 143, Wallflower wrote:
You seem botheredIn post 141, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean if you want to act like you have a reason to throw shade then share. Else concede you don't and get some dirt on me, Scum!Me has plenty
It's really not. Plus this is just avoiding the situation again and slinging mud.In post 144, Wallflower wrote:Also interesting that you’re going all in on me for it and not Tracer.
Think I’m the easier target huh?
I should have broke this quote up but :In post 156, Wallflower wrote:Okay, attitude aside, I am a bit concerned by Megazu’s play. Before honing in on me, the play seemed like benign contributions that seem safe and weren’t really NAI but compared to other people looking more town, placed Azu further down the list.
The difference in treatment of me vs. Tracer was interesting but could probably be explained by scumreading me. I still like to think it’s because they’re scared of Tracer but not me, but I guess time will tell.
My initial reaction was yuck to the doubling down on the scumread of me, despite it having been partially based on a post they misread, but maybe scum would do more face-saving hmmm.
TW, what do you think of Ircher’s cheerleading? Does that line up more with Ircher scum or town?
PEdit: it is… like… page 6
I'm considering the first part as the basis for what you consider scum!play (at least at this point in the game). It also loosely applies to myself but I hadn't been pushed on the same basis, it's not important for this specific situation but I'll tie it in when I make my....summary I guess I'd call it.
But like, other people being more townie doesn't make meg scum. I'd have to go on the assumption that your issue with his play was how he returned fire. Which also doesn't make sense if you had the scumread before they answered.
It's not absurd from megs perspective to scumread your slot. You called them scum, were asked to explain and told them it was scummy they didn't ask tracer (which isn't an explanation of your read.)
Doubling down there seems natural in that light.
More awareness of what you'd consider scum!play. All of this might be in jest but it's over my head if so.In post 165, Wallflower wrote:See even if I did think you were mafia, people would see my vote on you as OMGUS and not take it seriously
Or see me as someone whose opinions sway dependent on what other people think of them. (Even though that’s probably true to some extent, but ssshhh)
Now Tracer, it’s my turn. Do you actually think I’m mafia, or are you voting me for fun?
Overall though I found it weird to pander to Tracer whom you put in a null range. They're in your town pool later but not at this point.
Also the second half of this post is like... Subtle explanation of exactly what you're doing in a more macro sense.
More pandering but the vote feels more like a vote scum throws down after checking the thread temp. It lines up with the back away from tracer and the push on Meg.In post 174, Wallflower wrote:Well that’s nice dear.
How about a deal?
Will you vote Gamma with me?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I didn't mean to add this post but I was subconsciously salty about being excluded maybe.In post 199, Wallflower wrote:People who I have as varying degrees of townread (in no particular order):
The worst
Tracer
Mega
Norwegianboy
Ircher
Something_smart
While it's on my mind though throwing Tracer in here kind of undermines the interaction with them. Why not just say you thought they were town when they asked if you thought they were scum?
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Call me weird but the fact they didn't retaliate to anything I had to say against them, rubbed me the right way. Naturally scum wants to refute points that indicate their alignment but they kinda just took it on the chin. If they actually are scum that's pretty impressive restraint.
Ircher wagon has my townreads on it so here I am.-
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Potatoes are neither.In post 284, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Are you nice or mean.
Like the last 2-3 times playing scum against you I've been called out each time over my passivity or just overall vibe.-
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In post 110, Tracer Bullet wrote:I see no reason to change my reads
Can I get an explanation on how SS shifted here?In post 157, Tracer Bullet wrote:The eagerly awaited sequel to the best readlist ever:
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Cool. Which parts did you have trouble following? Which parts felt wrong to you? Etc etc. Don't call it confusing, not engage in any of it, and call me scum because you couldn't be bothered to ask me anything.In post 410, Ircher wrote:As to Enigma since I haven't expanded too much on that read. The 1-line summary is that the ISO reads as someone going through the motions of scum hunting. Take 212 for instance. It's confusingly worded and hard to parse. I keep reading it, and yet I feel nowhere closer to understanding what RCEnigma actually meant there. Now, you may wonder, "So what? What's the big deal about a hard to parse post?" but in fact, it is a big deal because you cannot engage with an unparseable argument! Indeed, it is the perfect way to look busy while not actually doing stuff. Now, to be fair, RCEnigma did gave an elaboration in 227, but that post also has issues. See, rather than boiling the argument to the mere essentials needed to convey it, RCEnigma instead opted for a longwinded quote wall. You see, the problem is the quote wall length does not in fact aid comprehension. The only explanation given there is only marginally more comprehendible than the message given in 212.
I think you're more diligent than this as town.-
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This is my hang-up, but the other way around. Ircher COULD be scum but I do think Tracer is scummier.In post 422, NorwegianboyEE wrote:RCE i townread and Tracer, hmm i guess he COULD be scum, but he isn’t alligned with Ircher so if Ircher!scum he is town.-
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I didn't particularly scumread Ircher, I just thought the slots on his wagon were townie. But his explanation of his scumread on me seems insincere.
I would expect Town!Ircher to attempt to gain clarity before reaching the conclusion that he doesn't understand the angle therefore scum.
I could still go tracer though.-
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How swingy you are with your reads given this being your view makes your takes stilted.In post 439, Tracer Bullet wrote:also another point
for the people calling me "scummy"
i don't know if you've noticed
but like nothing is going on.
Flip a table and I'd probably join your cause.-
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I don't know if Ircher/tracer are unaligned but I scumread both and I'm up for either lim. But hitting town in either one of them is going to intensify a tunnel tomorrow.
So for example we flip tracer today, they flip town. Tw/Ircher/ maybe wallflower have to go under the microscope.
At the same time my fear is like, we flip tracer and they're town then either me or norwee die and suddenly all of the muscle to push Ircher through day 2 disappears. I'm not super confident that TW!Town flips a switch and 180s their Ircher read, just the vibe I'm getting maybe I'm wrong. Or TW is scum and it doesn't really matter anyway, lethargy probably bulldozes town at that point.-
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If ircher!scum it's highly likely all of norwee/tracer/TW town
I have an outside townread on Meg that's only really slipping from low activity.
SS/Wall/Toog pretty much lines up.
Ircher!town I still townread Norwee off the back of that. Besides that I have to ask some questions and put some brainpower in. Like, does Tracer get frustrated with the game state being rigid if they're scum competing with a larger wagon on town? Is TW's defense of Ircher genuine or self serving? The miscellaneous votes look a lot worse if the wagons are TvT and kinda prove tracers point to a degree.-
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Gonna be honest I haven't read any of it.In post 678, Wallflower wrote:
When you get the chance, I'm interested in why you made this vote. Do you think that S_S's griping about the two main wagons and shading of me comes from scum. I feel like scum aware of the gamestate probably doesn't throw my name out there at this point?In post 672, RCEnigma wrote:VOTE: SS
Sorry I don't have the mental energy to meaningfully engage. I was typing up a post to explain a vote on tracer but honestly I can't justify it to myself over SS.-
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I read the brief back and forth with tracer and here's where I land.
SS is low impact day 1 as town, I'm aware. But his interjections are generally relevant, that doesn't feel like his game here. The waffling is weird. They mentioned their go-to being follow a townread or something to that effect. But it's implied if you aren't pushing Ircher +TW as a scumteam that one or the other is a townread by virtue of TWs claim and both are on Tracer.
Tracer being proactive and trying to push the game forward starts before pushing Ircher even, which is the big thing holding me back from voting there. I don't see the scum angle.-
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This is an idea.In post 654, Tracer Bullet wrote:we going to chinese fire drill ourselves onto a baddie cuz everyone will feel bad about not playing the game and show up magically 3 hours before deadline?-
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Why does this even matter?In post 785, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Mega's flip didn't really change my mind on things too much. I don't really understand why Ircher knew from anything mechanically why an VT slot was more likely town but they are conf!town and don't want to share so whatever.In post 784, Something_Smart wrote:In post 771, Something_Smart wrote:
Is this still the case?In post 735, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Now i'm even more convinced Tracer is town.-
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What's your point?In post 790, Tracer Bullet wrote:wallflower didnt even vote for Megaz but ok-
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Do you really think this is 1 for 1 or just that tracer is scum?In post 768, Ircher wrote:We're killing Tracer or Toogeloo today.-
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My scumread on them is low in confidence but my pool is what it is because I can consider myself norwee and Ircher all town. If I make a leap on you as town that's all that's left. I'm not fully there, but I do keep flipping back and forth.In post 797, Tracer Bullet wrote:
why do you think she is mafiaIn post 794, RCEnigma wrote:
What's your point?In post 790, Tracer Bullet wrote:wallflower didnt even vote for Megaz but ok
Late in the day wall was riding the fence on you/toog which isn't great but I wasn't around to hammer at deadline so grain of salt I guess. I actually think you being town makes wall!scum more likely.
I just want SS today though.-
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This is what flipped my read on tracer yesterday. Like I went back through one of the spats with ircher but it 100% didnt hold up. Now i dont know what pooky's scumgame looks like but I know that I personally find myself sticking to something that I think town!me would find scummy and trying to drive it home. so it just kinda clicked for me what Ircher was talking about with tracer.In post 811, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'd like to mention that one thing i'm questioning right now is how Pooky was like "Omg none of you are solving, nobody gives a shit except me" and it made sense at first, but then people here actually started to make some good content. And Pooky STILL kept saying nobody was giving a shit, which just felt so awkward. xD-
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I'm not saying I'm into this. But I am saying I have $10.In post 839, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Are you suggesting we need an bedcam to see if you are losing sleep this game or not.-
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I don't have a read on toog one way or the other. Like if it's between toog and tracer I'm probably going tracer. If Toog is scum +1 it has to be with norwee since that's the ONLY slot securely townread enough to give toog the leeway to do nothing.In post 826, Ircher wrote:I noticed you excluded Toogeloo from your pool. Why?
And I townread Norway more than I town read you so.-
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You're saying you just think it's tracer then. Toog wasn't a part of the flash wagon.In post 826, Ircher wrote:I think the two have an 80% chance of 1 scum among them based on the timing and forming of the Meg wagon.-
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Good point actually VOTE: toogIn post 884, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I mean it’s been E-1 for forever.-
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Around but still not invested. The game is running through tracer/Ircher/you to some degree. The rest of us are just kind of hanging on.In post 932, NorwegianboyEE wrote:RCE and Wall have both fallen off a bit recently, and they are not slots i traditionally view as doing that if they were town here.
Where you two at right now?
Not to give other slots an out but still.
VOTE: Wallflower
Specifically with Ircher in mind, the meg wagon can't be tracer!scum AND be a town motivated wagon AND be the counter wagon to the other two scum!wagons. Maybe that's not what you were getting at but that's what I extrapolated.
I think by play Tracer is probably town. I can't even really pin tracer pushing the flash wagon through on him because Town had to give the greenlight to go "Hey this guy is our biggest scum suspect, but hey if he wants meg out....why not".
Which is insane to me but I'm just a nugget trying to get by so.-
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They absolutely do. It doesn't do me any favors but in a tvt scenario it's probably more lucrative to elim toog. The noise you are generating would be enough for me to keep you around if I was scum.In post 952, Tracer Bullet wrote:
if me/tooge r tvt, mafia dont have a reason to be invested in which of us diesIn post 950, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don't get this btw.In post 943, Tracer Bullet wrote:I don't see why Wallflower would push me this hard if this is a TvT conflict
You're never going to be a solid townread so even if your reads are spot on they come with a spoonful of paranoia.
Keeping toog alive is only beneficial if they continue to be lethargic. Any spur of inspiration could be detrimental.-
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Like if I had to explain it to another person I'd say....vibe probably. You feel a lot more aimless than I think town!you is. In the sense that I have no idea what you are looking for or out of who and you're giving off the impression you generally don't either.
I can't throw out buzzword B's like agenda or anything because I don't think you're doing anything in particular besides letting town go at itself.-
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I think your town game is low effort up front with a fair degree of thought behind the scenes. I don't think I've ever even been in a game that you rolled scum so I can't say what you would or wouldn't do with a red role pm.In post 1086, Something_Smart wrote:I don't know, I think I'm about as aimless as I usually am? I'm trying to help figure out who the best execution is today and where to go from there.
I also don't think I play more aimlessly as scum than as town. I have scum games where I try to get away with doing very little, but I have town games like that too (and I wouldn't even say this is one of them).-
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