Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[Freedom]

I just finished skimming the game.
gth I think that Tabibotos and Grandpa are Town.

[Freedom]

I don't mind being leashed at night as long as it makes sense, and I'm not pretending to understand any of the plans I've read so far. I'd rather avoid mountainous though.

was ur vote on abnegation rvs?

Rvs. I didn't see a slip.

Isn't now a bit too late for RVS?

[Freedom]

I don't mind being leashed at night as long as it makes sense, and I'm not pretending to understand any of the plans I've read so far. I'd rather avoid mountainous though.

was ur vote on abnegation rvs?

Rvs. I didn't see a slip.

Isn't now a bit too late for RVS?

also i think ur scum. u need some explaining to do . what type of doctor are u?

IDK.
Aren't we all told that we're just Doctor?

[Freedom]

Can you explain the vote?

[Freedom]

Alright so no one answered but what you think about circular protection i suggested

I'm not sure as I would prefer protecting a TR.

[Freedom]

Can you explain the vote?

you dodged the question like if you were mafia

a more confident town would have probably confirmed that we were all doctors.

2nd -- ur previous slot pov slipped in a way

I see.
What makes you think that I'm more likely scum then unconfident Town?

[Freedom]

He's part of the hydra with Norwee.

[Freedom]

He's part of the hydra with Norwee.

yea but I don't understand why they are scurmrwaxing the individual and not the hydra lol

Maybe he didn't realise that Shirou was in the hydra?
You might be overanalysing a bit here.

[Freedom]

the problem I have with organising night actions is that the mafia just get to kill someone

I agree.
And we have to trust each other to follow through the plan.

[Freedom]

He's part of the hydra with Norwee.

yea but I don't understand why they are scurmrwaxing the individual and not the hydra lol

Maybe he didn't realise that Shirou was in the hydra?
You might be overanalysing a bit here.

becaue it looks like galron is fishing instead of reading.

freedom are u an alt, or are u new?

ur scummy behavior can TSTBS but i doubt it

I am an alt.

[Freedom]

if we can protect the nurse, it's even more important for it to be outed d1, as the inherited ability will be the only confirmed ability and increases our n2 impact immensely. not outing the nurse can get it killed at night.

Why do you say this?
We don't know what each flipped Doctor actually does.

[Freedom]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

I disagree with this.
I think that they're most likely to claim Doctor, knowing that they can't be CCed.

[Freedom]

Unless we massclaim, which I don't think we should.

[Freedom]

You're misinterpreting me.
I meant that Doctor would be a safer fakeclaim then Nurse because we're all Doctors.

[Freedom]

Nurse should claim d1 imo

Otherwise shitshow of "OUR NURSE DIED N1 PROBABLY AND MAFIA FAKECLAIM IT" issue

Nurse BECOMES Doctor. And FLIPS as one.

They flip as Nurse regardless so if they get NKed, we woukd know.

[Freedom]

I think it's classical F thing

Can you explain what you mean by this?

[Freedom]

do we conftown elements

Sure.

[Freedom]

VOTE: Freedom

third vote if I'm counting right

yes good pressure

i need u to claim @freedom whats ur role

I'm Doctor.
Though, I don't expect this to change anything.

[Freedom]

VOTE: scandersvamp

This guy's votes are really bad.

By really bad, I mean that the timing of his votes are really scummy.

I can't disagree with you.
VOTE: Vander

[Freedom]

Targeting town reads guarantees one won't die and likely the other won't die. Scum probably won't kill either target because of the chance the JK is on them and then it's only a 9/35 chance to kill which are chances I'd take over just letting mafia pick me.

If we target scum, unless we choose both scum exactly the scum pair will know which of them is being targeted so the other can perform the kill. and there's only a 9/35 chance to kill one of them.

I think hat this is a good plan.

[Freedom]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

I missed that part.
I would prefer an elimination on Vanders tbh but it doesn't tha feel like hat wagon will get much traction.
I think that the plan is fine by itself in that I agree that we should be targeting TRs.

[Freedom]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

I missed that part.
I would prefer an elimination on Vanders tbh but it doesn't tha feel like hat wagon will get much traction.
I think that the plan is fine by itself in that I agree that we should be targeting TRs.

why do you think we should target trs???

bruh is this too scum to be scumm. make sure to include why


im surprised u haven't used chatgpt

In case we protect them, obviously.

[Freedom]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

I missed that part.
I would prefer an elimination on Vanders tbh but it doesn't tha feel like hat wagon will get much traction.
I think that the plan is fine by itself in that I agree that we should be targeting TRs.

why do you think we should target trs???

bruh is this too scum to be scumm. make sure to include why


im surprised u haven't used chatgpt

In case we protect them, obviously.

why aren't you pushing vander ?

Did you miss the part where I tried to?
I got called OMGUS for doing that.

[Freedom]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

I missed that part.
I would prefer an elimination on Vanders tbh but it doesn't tha feel like hat wagon will get much traction.
I think that the plan is fine by itself in that I agree that we should be targeting TRs.

why do you think we should target trs???

bruh is this too scum to be scumm. make sure to include why


im surprised u haven't used chatgpt

In case we protect them, obviously.

why aren't you pushing vander ?

Did you miss the part where I tried to?
I got called OMGUS for doing that.

But I was the only person who said you were OMGUSing, right? Am I forgetting someone?
So why would that be an issue if the heat you're getting is from the person you're pushing on?


Also, you didn't really push me, you just agreed with someone else's case on me and then voted me.

Scol's case summed up my problems with you so I didn't add to it.

[Freedom]

If we get unlucky we can just lose if we vote out town today

Using whhich strategy?

[Freedom]

Circular

I see.
Then, we shouldn't do that.

[Freedom]

Scum is in freedom/galron/tabibitos, I think.

If you replace me with Vanders, I think that you probably have the entire scunteam in the PoE.

[Freedom]

Maybe Vander but I think scoliosis has been very towny.

The Hydra has two heads but neither is scumhunting

I can assure you that we are, we just haven't shared anything in thread yet.

- Lumine

Then, what are your reads rn?

[Freedom]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

I missed that part.
I would prefer an elimination on Vanders tbh but it doesn't tha feel like hat wagon will get much traction.
I think that the plan is fine by itself in that I agree that we should be targeting TRs.

why do you think we should target trs???

bruh is this too scum to be scumm. make sure to include why


im surprised u haven't used chatgpt

In case we protect them, obviously.

why aren't you pushing vander ?

Did you miss the part where I tried to?
I got called OMGUS for doing that.

But I was the only person who said you were OMGUSing, right? Am I forgetting someone?
So why would that be an issue if the heat you're getting is from the person you're pushing on?


Also, you didn't really push me, you just agreed with someone else's case on me and then voted me.

Scol's case summed up my problems with you so I didn't add to it.

Ok, can you respond to my other points in this post?

All right.
You were the only one calling me OMGUS and you're right it isn't a big issue.
However, I feel like I'm getting more heat than a lot of people.

[Freedom]

TBH I am willing to vote Tabibitos as a compromise, considering how much they've actually contributed to solving transparently.

[Freedom]

TBH I am willing to vote Tabibitos as a compromise, considering how much they've actually contributed to solving transparently.

ok this confirms freedom as scum.

if you dont realiez what i have been doing for the past few posts -- i have been hinting at one of my scumreads to turn out tabibitos (for example me saying oh they are lacking, they havent contributing -- it feels like I was setting up a read)

i purposefully did that to see if anyone fall in the trap oh bringing the idea of tabibitos being scum with my SAID reasons.

scolosis also did the same thing in the beginning of the game and (probably also gave tabibitos the benefit of the doubt too) -- i instantly saw that and continued on the tabibitos train (also my real read on tabibitos -- is still a very hard null now not scum or town like i had before)

so hearing this coming from freedom that they want tabibitos because of the lack of posting is basically scum finding out that we were discussing tabibitos's alignment because of MY TRAP i set out and therefore tyring to find the right opportunity to say they are willing to vote tabibitos because they believe they will get towncred for not only pushing them but also having other people on board as well.


im sorry but im too big brain

I think you're getting too confbiased here.

[Freedom]

I was rereading Tab's ISO after seeing them in Gimli's PoE and realised that other than a lot of mech stuff and planning, they haven't been transparent at all regarding their solving.
Which is why I don't TR them that much anymore.
Also, they don't seem to have much reads which feels odd given almost everynbody else having at least some sort of SR.
Their reasoning in 541 also felt off and like they were trying to make something up.

[Freedom]

Here's a hot take: if you're town why don't you talk about an original read or explanation for a read on someone rather than just parroting what others say?

Well.
I could explain my Galron read if you want.
He's mainly nullscum for me as he hasn't really done much but he's on V/LA and he didn't really anything super scummy.

[Freedom]

On the other hand, Grandpa is my top TR rn as he seems genuinely trying to solve and move the game forward, despite his unfortunate confbias.

[Freedom]

BTW Happy birthday, Elements!

[Freedom]

Sure.
My reads rn are:

Town

GrandpaMo (Listed reasons in 561)
Gimli (Seems solvey) | Elements (Seems to be coming up with ways to help Town)
Scoliosis (Nulltown)
Enchant (Null)
Galron (Listed reasons in 560) | Vanderscamp (I don't really like the timing of vote but seems all right otherwise.)
Tabibitos (Listed reasons in 557, though I feel like a lot of my problems is to do with me not liking Lumine's posting)

Mafia

[Freedom]

Sure.
My reads rn are:

Town

GrandpaMo (Listed reasons in 561)
Gimli (Seems solvey) | Elements (Seems to be coming up with ways to help Town)
Scoliosis (Nulltown)
Enchant (Null)
Galron (Listed reasons in 560) | Vanderscamp (I don't really like the timing of vote but seems all right otherwise.)
Tabibitos (Listed reasons in 557, though I feel like a lot of my problems is to do with me not liking Lumine's posting)

Mafia

were you able to relook the game ?

I did relook the game for most of the reads which is why I don't SR Vanders that much.
On the other hand, I did just realise now that I meant to put Tabibitos on the same tier as Galron and Vanders.

[Freedom]

TBH Aether, what are Lumine's reads?

[Freedom]

TBH Aether, what are Lumine's reads?

When we talked she mostly had similar takes to mine like Grandpa being "bubbly" (as she described) in a towny way, and we also agreed on suspecting Vars.

It wasn't quite clear if Vars was her

biggest

suspect, but for me it is.

Now that I'm here and with a lovely keyboard on my hands, I can proclaim and will explain why I believe Vars is the most likely slot to be scum in this game for me and why I think either Freedom or Elements is his partner.

- Aether

I see.
Why Elements?

[Freedom]

Take a look at her ISO, what do you see Freedom?

I see a lot of plans for N1.
But if that's the reeason for Elements being scum, why not Enchant?

[Freedom]

Can we talk a bit about Vanders this game, i feel like all he's been doing is agreeing with everyone else. Like when he claimed our plan was so great and he townread us and also when he loved Grandpamos scum case. I don't really see him doing much other than react to what everyone else is doing.

- Lumine

Sure.
Though, I would say that 429 seems like an original thought to me.

Freedom how long have you been playing mafia? I thought you might be a newb at first but you said you were an alt earlier.

- Lumine

I've been playing Forum Mafia since 2021.

[Freedom]

I think that I get it now.

[Freedom]

I think Aether expanded on Elements in 608.

[Freedom]

This game is feeling almost too easy on the reading people side.
I have Gimli, Enchant, Grandpa, Tabibitos as pretty solid town reads and there are lots of crossing town reads within this group

What about Vanders?

[Freedom]

We are in MELO, right?

[Freedom]

I think we should vote Galron.
VOTE: Galron

[Freedom]

Gimli also placed a vote down.
Do you TR Galron?

[Freedom]

Because there's a few possible scenarios here why you want me to unvote Galron but not Gimli to unvote me.

1. You TR Galron
   
2. You SR me
   
3. You're scum with Garlon
   
4. You're scum with Gimli
   
5. Occam's Razor: You see that I know it's MELO but voted Galron, who I scumlean, but you don't

[Freedom]

We are in MELO, right?

yes.

please take off all ur votes

u too @gimli

OK.
UNVOTE:

[Freedom]

Well.
I'm not sure what to say because honestly, I think that being wrong on Vanders prompted me to put more effort to salvage the game.

[Freedom]

Well done, STD, and congrats to Town!
Sorry for replacing out.

[Freedom]

Very much enjoyed playing with you all

TBH, I enjoyed playing with you too!

[Freedom]

And I just realised I forgot this.
Thanks Pav for modding!

[Freedom]

Happy cake day Freedom!

Thanks!