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Third party in a 9 player setup is not Normal, so this one is Town vs Mafia. I would guess 2 Mafia, but there's potential for 3 if the power is right. But probably 2.
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Post #14 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:26 am
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 13, Aureal wrote:Oh no, furtive is onto us! Quick, Hellhound, activate your death laser before anyone else catches on!
furtiveglance has been marked for death.
Aureal, what's your experience with mafia like? I am an addict of 1 year. If you click the wiki button on my profile you can peruse some completed games
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Post #16 (isolation #4) » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:02 pm
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 15, Aureal wrote:I played regularly for about a year then got career and apparently had no more time for it. So I'm relatively recently back, don't let the join date fool you into thinking I'm any good at this.
Games definitely seem more active than they used to, probably a combination of deadlines being the default and it being much easier to put internet in your pocket and spit out a blurb from work like I'm doing now.
I see. Make sure not to spend too much time doing work, can distract you from mafia
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Post #27 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:50 pm
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 22, Enchant wrote:I know only 3 people in this player list. Well, i didn't include myself and my mafia teammate.
So anyway, should we share PR picks? I think it helps town more than mafia.
I thought Enchant might have been being sarcastic here, but I'm thinking there could be some merit to sharing mafia picks. After all, Mafia already know what they are.
I did 2 town 1 mafia for my picks, and the mafia was a Strongman
The light-hearted defence here heavily contrasts the more apparently serious previous posts. 814 Are all serious responses to interactions which merit them. We do see a few more light hearted posts by furtive such as 12 and 10 but they are light hearted in response to light hearted things. The light hearted response to my serious accusation of caught scum is a notable change in emotional tempo.
In post 34, bugspray wrote:The seriousness I mean in 8 is the matter of fact analysis of the lack of third parties and amount of scum in the setup which is something that should be obvious anyway. It makes for good busywork to appear you are helping town while providing nothing of substantial value.
Inconsistent tone then
Yeah I was mostly memeing but I wanted to inform people that there aren't 3p if they didn't know that
In post 22, Enchant wrote:So anyway, should we share PR picks? I think it helps town more than mafia.
Does it, really?
Well, yes, but not fully.
We should share ambiguous and Mafia-only picks, I think, EXCEPT ambiguous investigation roles.
But should we really share town-only roles? What's the benefit of that that outweighs the info we give to scum?
And identifying the invest roles is of course a big no because it could give extremely useful info to scum.
It does seem you were a bit to excited to point people to your wiki, like you are very conscience about how you are playing and want to make sure you come off a certain way.
Like I said, I recently made the wiki and I think it's a fun thing to have. Previously I would have given some completed games maybe just linking them
What's the scum motivation to having/advertising a wiki page? Is this a serious argument?
It does seem you were a bit to excited to point people to your wiki, like you are very conscience about how you are playing and want to make sure you come off a certain way.
Like I said, I recently made the wiki and I think it's a fun thing to have. Previously I would have given some completed games maybe just linking them
What's the scum motivation to having/advertising a wiki page? Is this a serious argument?
Many people have wikis, most don't proactively point people to it. Pings me as a bit off, like you are setting up the wifom like 'did you see my wiki in those games I was scum? I played completely differently!'.
Feels like you had a gameplan coming into the game.
Plenty of people ask for links to games early on, it's a normal gamestart ritual. Everything you put in quote marks is something you've come up with. My wiki is mostly towngames. I don't think my scumgames are wildly varied in terms of playstyle. Everything you're getting at is completely unfounded and presumptuous. It doesn't 'feel like I had a gameplan', that's what you 'feel'. I didn't have a plan. I hadn't seen Aureal before and in asking for their experience, I thought I'd give mine.
This is such a weird thing to get at me for
Your own wiki is empty, I wouldn't say many people have wikis.
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Post #88 (isolation #19) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:28 pm
Postby furtiveglance »
I'm grounded firmly in reality Drew.
You're the one harping on something that's minimally relevant to the game
I'm not blind, I can see that you were trying to push me for something really stupid, so I called it out. If that's over dramatic then the appropriate response is just ignoring every post someone else makes
There's no wifom in the act of referring someone to past games btw. Not sure why that idea entered your mind, which btw is a complete mystery so far
You're the one harping on something that's minimally relevant to the game
I'm not blind, I can see that you were trying to push me for something really stupid, so I called it out. If that's over dramatic then the appropriate response is just ignoring every post someone else makes
There's no wifom in the act of referring someone to past games btw. Not sure why that idea entered your mind, which btw is a complete mystery so far
Doubling down on the dramatics, gotcha.
Why are you the one who determines what is relevant to the game or not?
I didn't push, I asked a question, which you answered. I then added why I asked the question......and then cue your dramatics.
And you really are hard defending something that another player(me) lightly brought up, and part of your defense was that 'everyone does it' which I already shot down as 'no they don't'.
So please, why do you feel it is so important that we understand your meta? Also nice subtle little note that you are mainly town in your wiki, seems convenient.
Pre Edit: Enchant, I was mainly making a jokey post about my rvs vote on him
In post 13, Aureal wrote:Oh no, furtive is onto us! Quick, Hellhound, activate your death laser before anyone else catches on!
furtiveglance has been marked for death.
Aureal, what's your experience with mafia like? I am an addict of 1 year. If you click the wiki button on my profile you can peruse some completed games
This^ felt like a natural thing to say in response to Aureal's joke. That's literally it. No agenda to linking my wiki. Yes I'm mainly town in it. So is every player ever. If you make one more post that references my wiki I will literally shun you for the game a la Dwight Schrute.
In post 135, furtiveglance wrote:I don't have a reason to townread Enchant but it's widely accepted that early wagons are scummy
While I can agree with this(re: early wagons), you shouldn't discount something just because of that. Maybe you aren't town reading them, but this isn't a reason to not scum read them.
And again with the dramatics, one of your early posts(the wiki thing) was the first thing in this game that really jumped out to me as odd. I chased that lead and your reaction to some light pressure has been telling, at least to me.
It's also been telling to me, as in it told me that your push is embarrassingly terrible.
There's nothing to comment on apart from Enchant at E-2
Everything you say is more and more meaningless, it's almost impressive
Uhh, didn't you just call out not known and Lycan for not posting a lot?
Then you do something, apply pressure, shake things up...... literally do anything besides saying 'Drew is a big dummy' anytime I call you out for something.
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Post #143 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:06 pm
Postby furtiveglance »
What do you want from me Drew? I voted NK15. That's the strongest form of action I have. I can't case them because they've posted nothing. There is literally nothing to do but let the game breathe and develop. Your expectations of me are completely unfair, and no one is doing more than I am to progress the game
In post 42, Aureal wrote:Yes there's a rule saying you have to call someone Mafia before voting them? OK, I await mod intervention on that. Not holding my breath though.
You disagreed with my stance it's fine.
Voting me implues you think i am mafia. But there's nothing you said about this. So you just vote me because you disagree with my stance, without regard if i am mafia or town.
So my question is valid.
This is just a pile of nonsense. And Enchant is often making very strange posts not really within solving effort, but it's more like a mode... and this post is an attempt at serious mode but... it's just an argument for the sake of an argument, instead a town thinking on how this could be town(by simply saying that Enchant's stance is also sus; or simply by falling into the "X says wrong things so X is scum" fallacy). It's extremely early so peoples votes can naturally be very weak, but that's also something Enchant knows... so I think this is even falling the test for weak reads.
biancospino - May be the only sane person in the game, good insight into setup, not a lot of scum hunting yet though.
bugspray - Some decent insights mixed with strange ones like 33 which seems so backwards that it seems like a joke?
Not Known 15 - Splits hairs about which roles to give info on without giving any real reasoning. Decent though little attempt to scum-hunt.
Doctor Drew - While I get the dislike for random advertisements, the vendetta against furtive might be a bit much, it's a weird thing to be pressing on.
furtiveglance - So many posts, so little insight into his thought process which seems to be all over the place- could be a red flag. Also one of the people to immediately offer info on mafia picks- possibly working with Enchant to try to get info on picks out there?
Enchant- Fishing for role info and easily distressed by a vote- possibly upset that it derailed an attempt at some info-seeking scheme?
Lycanfire - Basically nothing here, needed prompting to even give a reason for their vote which is basically just reiterating mine and NK15's.
Hellhound1 - WHERE ARE THE DEATH LASERS?!?
In conclusion, are you all scum?
Guarantee that we'll all be reading this after Aureal flips Mafia to try and work out which one is also Mafia
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Post #168 (isolation #42) » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:46 am
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 167, biancospino wrote:@furtive, can you sell me on Aureal? It's strictly because of the convo with Enchant?
No, I'm getting the sense that Aureal is nervous about how she's perceived. I mean that readslist for instance. Completely unprompted, and there's nothing to go off anyway so why even do one. I think she feels the need to have stances
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Post #170 (isolation #43) » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:35 am
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 169, biancospino wrote:Mhm. The list was indeed unprompted and quite arbitrary. Now, 156 she responds to a comment you did on NK, about how Enchant was a bad vote, and 160 she asks about opinion on Enchant's voters out of the blue while the rest of the post is about something else -- I am catching that you believe Auriel came out as being exceedingly preoccupied with the optics of her vote?
I didn't talk about her vote, nor did I really pick up on it as scummy at the time but looking back it could be
I think I was quite clear that I got a general sense of self-consciousness from her play which I found scummy
Having said all that though, I don't think Mafia would vote together on Enchant this early so there's probably maximum (and exactly) 1 Mafia in [Aureal, Lycanfire, NK15]
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Post #175 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:54 am
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 174, Aureal wrote:Would still be nice if you'd respond to my questions though.
As for unprompted, you were just complaining about how there's not enough going on but Drew goading you and you're doing all the work here; so it feels pretty weird that you find it suspicious when someone tries to offer something else to talk about. I had some time to review the game last night so I made some notes on what I thought so far, and didn't see much reason not to share.
1) Which questions are unanswered?
2) Yeah but when I do a readslist like that I usually emerge with a scumread or two, and you just sort of went 'meh'. Your vote remains on Enchant, apparently for bad strategy
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Post #181 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:52 am
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 178, Aureal wrote:Ah, had to review your ISO but that's fair.
No, it's not fair, and Drew's play hasn't been reasonable or pro-town.
He literally voiced his own theory that I mentioned my wiki as some kind of evil scum plan, and then twisted everything I said to try and make it fit his narrative.
In post 178, Aureal wrote:Ah, had to review your ISO but that's fair.
No, it's not fair, and Drew's play hasn't been reasonable or pro-town.
He literally voiced his own theory that I mentioned my wiki as some kind of evil scum plan, and then twisted everything I said to try and make it fit his narrative.
I was trying to quit you, but then you say this.
You literally haven't voiced a defense outside of name calling and buzz words.
You're gonna look back on this in postgame and thank me for 1) reading you correctly and 2) probably pushing the right players while you 1) incorrectly read me and 2) do nothing else
Lycanfire wrote:Aureal is kinda like plain bread this game. I don't have a problem with their play so far. It's pretty sound and doesn't bother me at this stage of the game.
Yeah, and I'm afraid to ask what the rest of these crazies are.
And you totally sound like someone who wants me to keep my vote where it is.
reads like theatre imo
Reads like theatre between you and Aureal? Who else could you mean?
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Post #255 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:40 pm
Postby furtiveglance »
In post 253, Aureal wrote:I don't think I can give any useful feedback here, my approach clearly has a major disconnect with the way most of you operate. Could be anyone still.
all round
