Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[Doctor Drew]

Super Saint Drew ready to cast some demons to hell.

[Doctor Drew]

P1

RVS and setup talk, Ranger being Ranger....gets heat for it.....blah

Vander in post 24, pings as scum for trying to force a read maybe, stay tuned

[Doctor Drew]

Eh, I felt like ranger making a reads list was the end of rvs?

Why is set up spec so towny? Like, it just seems factual

That’s just Ranger’s playstyle

Like I said.

[Doctor Drew]

I just thought it was a bit suspicious for Arko to gain so much support so quickly for things I thought was mostly NAI (setup spec).

Huh?

[Doctor Drew]

Oh God P3 sucks, this argument hurts my brain.

[Doctor Drew]

P4, liking vander for town

I always town read Korina(Ox) early on, then I end to sway from that position.......but it really feels like typical them.....

So I can't hate the heat on them, but can't hate them as well.....shrugs

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think this is ai from ox, I seem to remember this just being them. I think vander has the best take on what they were saying though.

What's weird is that it didn't make me feel more about arko.

Did you just read my post??

Oh, ya this was in the past lol.....carry on.

Getting a bit of a bad vibe on Aisa here on P5.....she started in rvs(nothing wrong with that), but has barely progressed out of it.

You know I definitely got my eye on you as well Aisa

[Doctor Drew]

Skipped a bit ahead.

P8, ooh some fireworks.

I don't hate Vox calling out my formal self, I would have done the same, some town points for you, don't spend it all at once.

The Ox/Ranger spat seems.....petty? I dunno, hope it gets fleshed out a bit in the next few pages......legit pings me as scum v scum.

Ox's brief self vote was bad.

Also Aisa and Vander seem like some theater.

[Doctor Drew]

I think blood is quite towny, I agree with all of what they're saying.

Agreed, although still not loving you and Aisa for town, so there is that.....speaking of

I need rest too, last points before I go:
- Ranger is town, Ranger wagon not good, if I wake up tomorrow and see that you people have decided to hammer Ranger before I can post again I am certainly not going to be advocating for sending any of you to heaven in the next phase xx
- Not going to fan the flames on Oclaxian Empire's wagon when I haven't digested the whole case, but at a first glance I like that vote a lot more than Ranger or Arko.
- Welcome to the game Kowahbunga!
- Happy scumday, AurorusVox!
- Am I just going to sheep Ranger into oblivion this game? Keep reading to find out!

Maybe it is just bias, but feeling the same scummy vibes from you Aisa. And the part about hoping Ranger isn't hammered before you can post screams of Titus from ChatGPT.

I might be unfair, but you are lucky I am not vig this game

More or less done with my catchup.....kinda skimmed a bit but wanted to at least get the general gist of the happenings here.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Oclax

As described don't love Aisa or Vander for town, but there is a vibe thing going on there that is making me think associative, so may be getting ahead of myself, especially with my bias of seeing Aisa scum so much recently lol.

Ranger and Oclax, as I said, could easily be theater scum v scum, so I think it is best to them having be competing wagons, and as mentioned I hated Oclax's brief self vote.....seemed overly dramatic and playing to their meta.

[Doctor Drew]

Did like rangers response about reading posts, did kinda like Drew's catch up but his scum reads are my biggest town reads.

I am more than willing to admit my read could be wrong on Aisa, just that nothing jumps out at me as different than her scum game.....but I have only seen her scum game as of late.

I know Oxac says they can't read me, but I have more experience with them probably more than anyone here, and they have modded many a game where I have been all of the alignments. So I definitely don't believe their dramatics of 'oh know Drew is unreadable, let's just policy elim'.

Which btw, unless it is a very dry joke.....wtf?

[Doctor Drew]

viewtopic.php?t=90462

For reference, I was town vig, Blood was town, Aisa was in a hydra but was scum.

[Doctor Drew]

viewtopic.php?t=90462

For reference, I was town vig, Blood was town, Aisa was in a hydra but was scum.

Dei Ex Machina was her hydra.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew the last game I played with you I thought you were scum the whole game as a mason, and got talked out of scumreading you multiple times.

I literally cannot read you.

Lol, that must be a long time ago.....I can't remember the last time I was a mason.

Pre Edit: Ok fair enough.

But why the policy elim talk? A joke I assume??

Pre Edit2: Ranger gets some town points here, I felt like I was reading my frustration when being called out for genuine reads.

Pre Edit3: K Oxcla......fair enough on external stuff

[Doctor Drew]

Ok, the last game was Mini 2100 where I was a mason with BEF, and you were a mentor. I thought you were scum the whole game and BEF was trying to convince me that you could be town. I don't remember that game very well, and that's bc of out of game stuff.

The policy elim on you was a half-joke. Not a good joke, but also has some merit behind it. I don't think you should survive to ELO with me, if I get to there. But I also don't think I should survive to ELO anyways.

Ahhh ok, I do somewhat remember that game.

My style has changed a bit since then though, I feel like my town game has become a bit stronger in particular.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think this is ai from ox, I seem to remember this just being them. I think vander has the best take on what they were saying though.

What's weird is that it didn't make me feel more about arko.

Did you just read my post??

Oh, ya this was in the past lol.....carry on.

Getting a bit of a bad vibe on Aisa here on P5.....she started in rvs(nothing wrong with that), but has barely progressed out of it.

You know I definitely got my eye on you as well Aisa

Ranger, did you miss this?

And yes I skipped ahead in my commentary, never said I skipped reading game pages.

[Doctor Drew]

Kowah wagon kinda bad tbh

But that’s mostly because I scumread Aisu and null read Bella

This.

Though I am probably higher on Bella than you.

But then I also think you are scum, so there's that lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew stop voting me pls and kill Ranger, kthx

I will do one for you

UNVOTE:

Guess I should have pushed the unvote button a bit earlier lol(inside joke with Oxcla).

I will offer to hammer, but want to stew on it a bit, and hear from Ranger again ideally.

[Doctor Drew]

I have disliked Oclaxian since Drew arrived.

Care to elaborate?

[Doctor Drew]

bruh that game literally ended less than an hour ago

I think they were talking about the old game you brought up.

And I do disagree, I was confident Morning Tweet was scum in a recent game because of the one game I remember playing with her years ago. I also started to get scum read on Aisa in a game that just ended because we were scum together in a game before that, and you guessed it, she was scum again.

It can be a very helpful tool, at least for me I guess.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok I don't like Kow anymore, and I think I am feeling better about Aisa.

VOTE: Kow

[Doctor Drew]

E-1 I believe

[Doctor Drew]

grim: intent to hammer in abt 3 hours before sleeping.

So now you are fine with a Kow elim?

[Doctor Drew]

i’m willing to compromise and not wait a day for an inevitable hammer yeah.

i think kowah’s posting is fairly scummy and i still want ranger dead but i think kowah can go first

We are kinda on the same page now, just was curious how your read changed from before.

And tbf, my read changed as well as I said.

[Doctor Drew]

I think we'd all happily compromise on Kowahbunga if anyone so much as proposed the vote, and I think it would be a shame to elim someone who has just substituted in, but going easy on replace ins does not a game of mafia make, so
VOTE: Kowahbunga

This is acceptable.

Request however;

Can we commit to

one

wagon?

Oclaxian Empire is a wagon;
Kowahbunga is a wagon;
Both of those wagons are good;
Both have a high chance of being scum.

However, per game mechanics, neither will be the elimination if one of those wagons doesn't move onto the other.

I'll vote whichever of the two.

I mean, Oxcla just said they would hammer.

And you are free to hammer as well.

Unless something is holding you back....

Pre Edit: Lol, alrighty then

[Doctor Drew]

I see kowabunga was just hammered, that seems fine, my biggest concern is that Ranger did it.

This kinda sums up my feelings.

Ranger, who is your 100% totally town guaranteed no lie?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like I don't like self votes here, but I also have never played this setup lol.

I know I am not voting Ranger, or probably Oclax, and to a less of an extent Vander.

Aisa maybe

But for now: VOTE: Vox

[Doctor Drew]

My vote if not for myself would be OE, I think the only way that one is getting through given the state of the thread would be if it's incorrect.

I need you to walk me through this post

[Doctor Drew]

Vox, I don't know what was in Arkos head, all I know is what I have seen.

I do find it weird you think I should just be sheeping their reads when I subbed in.

[Doctor Drew]

No it’s not about your read
I mean surely if you’re town it’s dangerous for someone who spent the day voting your slot to go to heaven

But like I also see no reason for you scum to do that either hence why I said a little suspect and are you trying to get in my head

Sorry kinda misread that before.

But I don't care if you scum read Arko, I town read you.

[Doctor Drew]

Drewww
1. Why do you feel a bit better about me?
2. What do you think of Vanders?

Figured I was being a bit biased based off the last couple games where you were scum, and realistically your post seems a bit different, almost a bit harsher in a good way.

And you used some phrasing that I like to use, that isn't much but that helped my gut read.

I didn't like Vanders when I subbed in, but this is kinda the point for me when my reads start to evolve so I should give them another look.

[Doctor Drew]

What's your opinion on Vanders now though Drew

Haven't given them another look yet, later this evening I will.

[Doctor Drew]

Drewww
1. Why do you feel a bit better about me?
2. What do you think of Vanders?

Figured I was being a bit biased based off the last couple games where you were scum, and realistically your post seems a bit different, almost a bit harsher in a good way.

And you used some phrasing that I like to use, that isn't much but that helped my gut read.

I didn't like Vanders when I subbed in, but this is kinda the point for me when my reads start to evolve so I should give them another look.

How do I seem different? I promise I’m going somewhere with this, you can ask where if you answer

Well I touched on it, you seem less worried about pleasing here, as demonstrated but not liking Vander when others seem to to like them for town. ABloaf Aisa wouldn't do that imo(also make me feel good you aren't scum buddies in the worst case scenario, I know how you like to protect your buddy).

So when I look at you objectively, and not through the tainted glasses of how you were scum the last two times(and once led to my mislynch grrr), I feel pretty good for you as town.

And do what you need to do to sort me if you have to.

But, now I need to go back and do a once over on Vander, brb

[Doctor Drew]

I do remember liking Vander, before I thought there was some theater with Aisa, but as I just said I think I was skewed by possibly unfairly scum reading Aisa.

My vote if not for myself would be OE, I think the only way that one is getting through given the state of the thread would be if it's incorrect.

I need you to walk me through this post

My most likely town outside of myself is OE

I could be misreading the thread but I think that's a non-consensus opinion that's likely to not get very many votes.

If it did get 5 votes, it's probably not because 5 town are pushing it.

Like, I definitely could be wrong on Ranger, but even if I think Ranger is like 25% town, I'm 0% to vote them right now because that vote is never succeeding in getting five pure town votes given current reads.

The only saving grace is that scum can't really out themselves to send a town to hell, because the heaven angels have the chance to rescue it the next day. That shouldn't be too hard if it was done obviously.

I'm much more worried about sending a sinner to heaven today, I think that will make the game much harder to win than ending up at 4-3.

And I did like this little sequence. I was not a fan of self votes, but they explained why they felt like a self vote was better than voting for a mom-consensus town read, and even applying that to their presumed top scum read.

So, yes I could vote for Vander for heaven

Pre Edit: Actually VOTE: Vander

That is E-1.....err, H-1?

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, mom-consensus.......any moms in this game agree with OE as town haha?

*non-consensus clearly is what I meant.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Vander

Vanderscamp (3):

Vanderscamp, Oclaxian Empire, AurorusVox.

Ranger (1):

Ranger.

Bellaphant (1):

Aisa.

Not Voting (2):

Bellaphant, BloodB0t.

To be blunt, I don't think all four votes on Vander are town.

That'd mean all of {Aisa, Bellaphant, Bloodb0t} would be scum.

As I don't believe those three to all be scum, the conclusion: there

must

be scum on Vander.

I think Aisa is town strongly, and while I'm not sure on my exact Bella read, Bella's above null to me.

I firmly believe {Vanderscamp, Oclaxian Empire, AurorusVox, Doctor Drew} contains 2-3 scum (probably two, with Bloodb0t as the third).

If Vanderscamp is town (my current theory), it's because the scum believe Vander in heaven is +scum.

I

hate

the Doctor Drew vote there in particular.

You think Vander is town.....yet put them in a pool of possible scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Enchant, professional game replacer, has joined the chat. Welcome friend.

Aureal, apologies if I missed it because I skimmed your catch-up much the same way I skimmed over a few pages when I replaced it.

But is that the meat and potatoes of your scum read on me? Objectively speaking, how is that AI?

[Doctor Drew]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

Why exactly now?

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal has just helped to solidify the townie vibes I was getting from bloodbot

If people don’t like vanders for heaven then they need to be proposing alternatives that aren’t themselves.

Based on my calculations earlier the only person who could contend with vanders for heaven is Asia. I’m guessing aureal would accord with that which I think gives Asia the necessary support too.

Tbh I’d be happy with either, drew being on vanders as well as Ranger maybe pushes me towards

VOTE: asia

VOTE: Aisa

Ok now I am on Aisa, you gonna switch to Vanders now?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel as if Ranger is the play for today, though I would like to here Vander respond to Aureal.

VOTE: Ranger

But Enchant, were you being serious earlier that you think Aureal is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

In long run it didn't matter it's all mafia ploy.

8 players
5 good
3 evil

And Aisa didn't vote for self.
So mafia helped.

Also, this makes one of(if not both) Aureal and Vander town confirmed.

[Doctor Drew]

I really liked the catch up for town but dislike 555 quite a lot.

BTW could you elaborate on this?

In long run it didn't matter it's all mafia ploy.

8 players
5 good
3 evil

And Aisa didn't vote for self.
So mafia helped.

Also, this makes one of(if not both) Aureal and Vander town confirmed.

*scratches head* How's that? Obviously I know I'm town, but from your POV what's stopping Vander and I from being scum and just the third one voting Aisa?

Honestly forgetting that we still have 3 scum left, and not just 2 lol.

And feeling confident about Ranger being scum from PoE, I jumped to conclusions.

[Doctor Drew]

@vander it's the why I feel is missing? Maybe I'm tired but it feels like conclusions, not procees. This in particular ' understand why scum would want to send Aisa to heaven over me if they know that Ranger is town and they can get an extremely reliable kill there to win the game if they can lim someone other than Ranger today.'

I don't understand this either. The last stuff Aisa was saying indicated that she was very confused about how to feel about basically everyone. I don't think there's any 'extremely reliable kill' coming from her.

It does seem somewhat more likely that they'll be trying to go that route for the win now than trying to go the much longer way and get two scum voted into heaven. Which maybe makes it more likely that Ranger is town? They wouldn't think everyone would drop their scumreads just because we saw Aisa, who was defending Ranger earlier, flip town.

If I am understanding you correctly, this is an interesting point. Possible that scum feels it is too dangerous to go against the grain if the consensus is to send a townie to heaven, and they feel they have a much better shot at sending a townie to hell anyways.

But as far as the Aisa read on Ranger, that really is a big wifom sandwich you are you are proposing here. Also you are defending Ranger without actually 'defending' her. A bit sketch imo.

[Doctor Drew]

Mod: V/LA for another 24 hours or so

Apologies, too exhausted to play right now. (Full disclosure, that might happen a lot the next couple weeks. Work got busy, and I'm suffering from it.)

I'll say this in the meanwhile.

I believe the scum were initially opposed to sending Aisa to heaven, but jumped onboard when they realized it would be advantageous for them to remove the only player defending me.

Aisa pointed out herself she's the only player who was defending me.
So a question; who am I scum with?

I'm not scum with anyone because everyone is willing to kill me, and Aisa--the player removed--was the only one who had a counter-opinion to this.

I believe I can find who the scum are more specifically if I am not as mentally exhausted as I am today.
I believe the wagons do tell who is likely scum, and from analysis we can get a better idea of who is scum, with content refining this further.

Wish I could give more right now, but again; exhausted, tired, can't think properly about things.

I promise I'll respond and go indepth into things when able to.

As someone who had a panic attack yesterday for the first time in forever, and feeling the aftershocks all day today, take care of your well being before worrying about this game.

But when you get back, Enchant does seem a bit worried to see you elim'ed it seems.....

[Doctor Drew]

@aureal, aisa had been consistent about one of her trs being wrong, yeah. I'd been good with just auto-voting ranger or Dr drew but I haven't liked anything from enchant and they normally town it up, especially Inna game this mech heavy.

I don't know how I feel about what ranger said just then about aisa.

My little experience with Ranger she seems very analytical and 'these are how I see things', like very matter of fact. Even when called out a bit she was more doubled down on that 'hey, my reads.....deal with it'.

There seems to be some frustration in her last post, and even some TMI in asking who she would be scum with, really don't like it at all.

For clarity, my read on Dr drew seems to flip every post they make: I didn't like their poarinf at all a few pages ago but liked their recent one. I don't know what that means.

Im pretty sure ranger/ox-enchant isn't scum/scum, can I get a sense check on that?

I really can't read enchant, but I do not like how they seem overly worried about Ranger being at e-1, also was iffy on Oe(who admittedly have a hard time reading as well). I definitely could see a world where they are scum together.

[Doctor Drew]

But as far as the Aisa read on Ranger, that really is a big wifom sandwich you are you are proposing here.

Oh yes, absolutely.

Also you are defending Ranger without actually 'defending' her. A bit sketch imo.

If I had explicitly spelled out the wifom argument as well for extra confusion and indecision, would it still be "defending without actually 'defending'"?

The irony here is that you are using the Aisa 'oops all caught as scum' defense (patent pending).

Discredit a read while making it a joke at the same time.

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal has just helped to solidify the townie vibes I was getting from bloodbot

If people don’t like vanders for heaven then they need to be proposing alternatives that aren’t themselves.

Based on my calculations earlier the only person who could contend with vanders for heaven is Asia. I’m guessing aureal would accord with that which I think gives Asia the necessary support too.

Tbh I’d be happy with either, drew being on vanders as well as Ranger maybe pushes me towards

VOTE: asia

VOTE: Aisa

Ok now I am on Aisa, you gonna switch to Vanders now?

Agree Aureal is fairly good vibes

Seconded.

This does necessitate a reassessment from he.

VOTE: Aisa
I'm comfortable sending Aisa to heaven.

I need to reassess my reads to find who to send to hell. (My pool had Aureal's slot there, so with Aureal towning it up, my reads need a reset.)

I'm a bit busy today so I'll handle a reassess tomorrow.

Not sure how to process this, but Vox was not sure about sending Vander to heaven because myself and Ranger were on them.

I then vote Aisa wondering if they would jump off Aisa(and I was liking her for town at this point).
Then Ranger sheeps.........and Vox kinda was gone.

Trying to re-calibrate here.

[Doctor Drew]

Also drew not sure what I’d have done there, knowing Asia is town now kinda makes it hard to consider it in retrospect. I certainly don’t like you voting Aisa (partly) to try to get me to change either. Were you hoping I’d get back on vanders?

I was trying to more figure out if you were looking for excuses to not vote Vander, and I was happy switching my vote to Aisa anyways so I wanted to see how you would react.

[Doctor Drew]

Ahhh sorry, didn't realize I didn't post at all yesterday, been a long couple days but will be back a little later with actual stuffs.

[Doctor Drew]

We have a little under 2 days, we really need to shit or get off the pot.

[Doctor Drew]

We have a little under 2 days, we really need to shit or get off the pot.

You are right.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Hey, at least we have some action now.

[Doctor Drew]

Good news, Ranger, I've found another scum read!

Bad news, Vander! You're working with your scumread!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Let's shake things up here:

VOTE: Doctor Drew

This is l-1.

I'm starting to think Doctor Drew is scum regardless of which of {Vanderscamp, Aureal} is scum.

And you would be incorrect.

But yes this is the save yourself vote I was hoping from you. You saw the opportunity to put me on the verge of elim and couldn't resist.

And all it took was my prod of the game lol.

[Doctor Drew]

And all it took was my prod of the game lol.

I'm familiar with using Slayer's Gambit as a defense as you are right now.

"This scummy action I did was meant as bait, rather than just being a scummy action".

I'm quite certain you're making stuff up by clinging to it.

You did a +scum action.
You've been scumread for that +scum action.
You trying to claim the +scum action was bait is, suffice to say, not convincing.

What are you on about.

The game was very slow and I made a post 'to shit or get off the pot' with less then two days to go, when you were top wagon.

How is that a scum action? Wouldn't ScumMe just lurk with everyone else and let a town you get mis-elimed?

Especially since I already prod dodged, I didn't need to post more.

[Doctor Drew]

Ranger, I said I was prod dodging and never said it was a gambit, and I said why would scumMe make another post, that would be the gambit. I could have just lurked the entire day away and avoided another prod. There is no logical reason for making that post as scum.

ScumMe would have coasted some more and let nature take it's course to let you be elim'ed.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

Uh who is Ranger’s partner

The remaining 3 souls were never judged, maybe we'll never know!

I hate Furtive so much

[Doctor Drew]

And another thank you to Aisa for allowing me to update my sig.

Genuinely made me smile when you said that