Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

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do you ever think "i'll do this in 2 minutes" and then you completely forget about it? that was me with this daystart...
this is a mod note.

datisi scamming me now i only have 7 minutes

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everyone get in here let's speedrun rvs

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VOTE: ausuka

sorry you and osukas names are too similar one of you has to go

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i haven't played this game in a month it took me like 30 seconds to remember how vote tags worked

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LET'S GOOOO

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osuka im curious have you played in a datisi molded game before?

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1 minute left

ive found one scum already where's the other one

show yourself

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i bet it's baltar

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ok gotta go anyway osuka is locktown

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Working on a ten pages google doc chainsawing baltar

oh really

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ok im back

i was gonna say that ill prob be less active than i used to but i feel like this is prob gonna be a pretty chill game so i should be able to keep up

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i think baltar is town actually

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i can see his soul

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missed u skitter

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what made you decide to vote sky?

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i didn't vote baltar and was deemed zoomer nonsense

this theory is full of holes

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Fire, why am I town?

vibes teehee

i think baltar is town actually

actually why tho

Spoiler: baltar don't look

id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

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Is there more to the ausuka sus?

@baltar this post pinged
A lot actually

VOTE: osuka

I want to live!!!!!!!

There's a little too much of a real 'don't wagon me!!!!' vibe to this post that i don't like

Like the osuka/ausuka thing was a meme obv, and it's fine that she's participating in that, but the 'i want to live!!!!' rider feels a little too anxious in a way that i think scum might be here

I think i would like this post a lot more without that line, or if there was something else there instead. The 'i want to live' feels v out of place with the state of the game at this point

this is kinda interesting bc i also had a strong gut reaction to that ausuka post but the explanation isn't really my thought process at all

im not sure if that actually means anything tho

i do think its a similar gut feeling i had to some of her posts early in dance game (which was wrong) so im sort of unsure how much i want to commit to that feeling

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actually yk i think maybe it is meaningful

VOTE: skitter

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id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

it's definitely kind of stupid but i was just having fun sorry :<

i appreciate your feedback however i am satisfied with my current level of elaboration of my take on baltar!!

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Is there more to the ausuka sus?

@baltar this post pinged
A lot actually

VOTE: osuka

I want to live!!!!!!!

There's a little too much of a real 'don't wagon me!!!!' vibe to this post that i don't like

Like the osuka/ausuka thing was a meme obv, and it's fine that she's participating in that, but the 'i want to live!!!!' rider feels a little too anxious in a way that i think scum might be here

I think i would like this post a lot more without that line, or if there was something else there instead. The 'i want to live' feels v out of place with the state of the game at this point

this is kinda interesting bc i also had a strong gut reaction to that ausuka post but the explanation isn't really my thought process at all

im not sure if that actually means anything tho

i do think its a similar gut feeling i had to some of her posts early in dance game (which was wrong) so im sort of unsure how much i want to commit to that feeling

can you elaborate on this at all? what was your thought process behind your gut reaction to the ausuka post?

its the less fun part to elaborate on but fine

it is still elaboratable. one could say. i wouldn't, personally. but someone might

my thought process was "hm this post feels a little unsure of itself and also a hint of feeling like it could be posting for the sake of being in the thread early but also not really sticking around to engage". i thought it was a little scummy. then i thought about it more and decided that those vibes were wrong when i felt them in a previous game where ausuka was town

i didn't really get any vibes of her actually being anxious about wanting to live

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VOTE: fireisredsir

if i took a shit on my keyboard, the response would come out better than that

okay

that doesn't sound like a good idea i wouldn't recommend doing that

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wow locktown mindmeld with hellbooks on complaining about osuka asking to expoundaberate about boring stuff

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if niceness is aggravating for you i can be mean instead!!

i can be ur angle


...or yuor devil

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Had a dream last night that this game had a publicly known forbidden word and if any townie said it we insta lost…
I don’t quite remember what it was but it was something pretty unusual that no one ever actually says, but then I accidentally used that word in a post and made us lose. Sorry about that guys…

Have read everything but stuff hasn’t really been sticking to me so I’ll give it another read with some thoughts later!

i had a dream that they renamed the micro game posting area from Mayfair Club to Mayonnaise Club and it made some old players really upset and they quit the site over it and made these big dramatic posts and the mods kept just replying to them with a mayonnaise emoji (which existed in the dream)

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actually yk i think maybe it is meaningful

VOTE: skitter

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i think it's meaningful because i think it's a stretch for you to believe this specifically:

There's a little too much of a real 'don't wagon me!!!!' vibe to this post that i don't like

i think its v plausible that the post would ping you. i think that you'd recognize it as a potentially ping-y post as either alignment bc you're able to do that. but i think the way you talked about it feels like making it into a bigger deal than it is and overjustifying

if you had just said "this post pings me because it feels a little anxious", yeah sure i can agree. but adding on the bit about her being afraid of a real wagon is like... really? you think ausuka would really be that afraid of an rvs wagon in like post 6?

so my thought process on seeing it was thinking that a world where you knew the post was ping-y but maybe didn't quite know why and still decided to come up with something to connect point a and b felt more like something you'd do as scum than something you'd do as town

maybe this is dumb and just a case of you seeing something different in the post than i do and me arrogantly thinking my read on it is the more reasonable one and so therefore you're more likely to be scum

but also scum skitter misreads tone in jokey posts etc etc

idk its not that significant of a read but it was like the first real thing i noticed and i was feeling it in the moment

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also tbh imo you probably felt like you had to go out of your way early to use the word ping so that i would locktown you

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submitting to the court that sharing a dream one has, that also happens to position one as town-minded, is another documented hellbrooks scum tactic ! Its not the dream im worried over but the manner in which she chose to share it. remember we are sirens, and posting is our song. Also, lets simply highlight ausuka's read on skitter if only so that people will keep it in their minds that it was made, and the timing lf it. so that she may take responsibility for it if the time comes. Finally i would like to thank you all for the salvo of townreads. Peace and Love

i was about to possibly maybe not townread you but i agree with this

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if i was scum you guys would like my posts >:)

but what if i was liking your posts though what then

well i would probably be scum

croation national logic champion datisi seething and crying in mod pt rn

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also tbh imo you probably felt like you had to go out of your way early to use the word ping so that i would locktown you

No and this is also a stretch

Or at least feels like you're trying to scumread that post

ok i thought it would be really obvious that add on was a joke tho so hm

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also tbh imo you probably felt like you had to go out of your way early to use the word ping so that i would locktown you

No and this is also a stretch

Or at least feels like you're trying to scumread that post

ok i thought it would be really obvious that add on was a joke tho so hm

I mean it didnt read that way to me but sure

yeah, like i said, hm

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ive skimmed some of the newly finished ausuka scumgame and it has reaffirmed me in my developing opinion of thinking she's town here

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yes in that game i saw u get bothered about being scum read for the wrong reasons a lot and that post gives me that vibe

maybe i should have skimmed further, i didn't get to this part

do you have any examples of places to look for this

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id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

it's definitely kind of stupid but i was just having fun sorry :<

i appreciate your feedback however i am satisfied with my current level of elaboration of my take on baltar!!

I was about to vote for Fire after rereading this post, but turns out I already am!

The specific wording of "my take on Baltar" bothers me, it doesn't feel like the way someone actually talks about their reads?

if it makes you feel any better i used that word choice specifically bc i wasn't talking about my reads

i was talking about what i had said up to that point, which is different

i can see how making a distinction between the two is not exactly the towniest-looking thing in the world but oh well it is what i meant to say

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re: my ability to read baltar, i think it's better than he's saying it is, we just had a rough start but it's gotten better!! meuh is maybe possibly right about me subconsciously doubting myself but shhhh

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i like the trisposting lately i think it feels like she's poking at things she's genuinely interested in and wants to pull them apart a lil and solve them

i am somewhat conflicted on meuh bc i have gut scumread a few posts but i also like the things she's saying about skitter. i will think on this

gotta go again bye

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mostly it's that i think her approach to ausuka feels more like someone coming from the angle of "these are things that people are supposed to find objectively scummy" rather than a town trying to sort

the thing that stood out to me at first was what felt like an overjustification of the original push in a way that didn't read like a town thought process to me

i also think that meuh's point about skitter mostly seeming to be taking the "reasonable" path on things is... maybe not 100% accurate, but more accurate than not. and that is something that i associate with scum skitter

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i think im somewhere like this

[tris, ausuka]
[skygazer]
[meuh, hellbooks, osuka, baltar]
[skitter]

and i feel conflicted on everyone in the group of 4

skygazer i just don't have any meta in order to be confident there but there's been specific things that vibe as town to me

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mm

VOTE: skygayzer

sorry i don't think this reaction is natural

I believe you had the thought 'scum ausuka gets mad at being scumread for the wrong reasons' but I think you're trying too hard to apply it here

i would like to take this oppurtunity to claim informed detective pls unvote

dont think i have a good response to that tho? other than i kind of have to inflate my pushes past my actual confidence this early on bc rvs for me is always just grasping at straws and seeing where they lead

i thought this post was really towny for some reason

it just feels like a super honest and genuine response sharing what her town mindset is and not at all like caught scum who knows the other person is right

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I kinda think this is a silly premise tbh b/c these don't actually appear to be things that are objectively scummy (if they were, so many wouldnt be finding this read questionable)

idk if you would always 100% of the time hit the mark on correctly predicting what others would find objectively scummy

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another thing was that somewhere in there it felt like her vote on me felt more like it was about punishing me for suspecting her and less about actually trying to sort me

idk tho i don't usually try to read people based on how they approach me so im not very confident in that take. a lot of people do that but ive never been good at it

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(or suspicion idk if she was voting)

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another thing that i was reminded of when looking for that skygazer post is that despite generally townreading ausuka i really didn't like the post she made voting skygazer

i do still want to look further into that recent scumgame and see what skygazer was talking about with responses to suspicion

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skitter whats your thoughts on baltar

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i def wouldn't call it a strong townread but there's been things that i think are town

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i think it just doesn't feel like she's super engaged with the game yet

but it feels like more of a town not being sure how to approach or caring that much about anything yet

than a scum doing any of that whether intentionally or not

thats why the skygazer vote felt the most scummy to me of her posts because it felt a little bit like she was forcing herself to do things in a way that i think she'd be more likely to do as scum

the revaluation/walkback afterwards though didn't really feel like the overall thing was done to accomplish any scum goals

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what if we all just took a deep breath and a step back and then wagoned meuh
meuh, are you ok withthat ? just lmk

yea i was actually feeling this

VOTE: meuh

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that post does nothing but pose for game-advancing content when in fact it has less game advancing content than a fucking votecount

idk you talked about it a lot and thought it was scummy and then other people responded to that and reacted and formed their own opinions and some people read people off those and wow hey that kinda sounds like a game of mafia is being advanced based on some content

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I do want more substantive content from Ausuka but at this stage of the game, those townie vibes she’s given are enough for me to just sort her as town and worry about her later. Especially when there’s several people who I think are scummier both on individual play and general position within the game.

Like my read isn’t super strong but I really can’t bring myself to scrutinize Ausuka when there’s other players I’d rather analyse.

these just kinda give me whiffs of the tmi that i found suspicious in dance game, where it kinda feels like she has decided she's going to have a certain read because that's what helps her at the moment, and then moving forward from there. and doing it like really openly and blatantly to the point where in dance game i second guessed and thought maybe it was too brazen to really be scum

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VOTE: Osuka

this is exceptionally strange - there are several viable wagons at this point in time that you could reasonably pivot to if you're getting cold feet, none of which are me. what the fuck? it makes no real sense as town because i haven't posted anything for you to work off of, but it makes even less sense as scum because i haven't posted anything for you to work off of so this is never gonna get off the ground.

am i missing something huge here or is this just the dumbest vote in the thread so far

i think that was a reasonable vote tbh

definitely wasn't strange. felt kinda right at the time actually

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even if i don't end up feeling like i want to stick with the meuh vote (possible. i am feeling mercurial), hellbooks keeps like assessing the gamestate and the direction in which it should go and proposing that direction in like the same way that i am feeling at the time of reading it and i think that's worth at least 1 townpoint

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baltar's probably scum lol

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baltar's probably scum lol

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i don't believe that he thinks he's been pretty townie this game, for one

he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

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he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

where does it look like he's doing that in this game?

that was a follow up point to the thing about him saying he was townie this game

i can picture him laughing as he types that

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that post does nothing but pose for game-advancing content when in fact it has less game advancing content than a fucking votecount

idk you talked about it a lot and thought it was scummy and then other people responded to that and reacted and formed their own opinions and some people read people off those and wow hey that kinda sounds like a game of mafia is being advanced based on some content

no, to be completely clear: you do NOT get to take credit for making a post of zero value and game-advancing content coming out of the fact that someone called out the fact that you posted fucking air. get this shit out of here

i mean thats literally what rvs is for. throw out random stuff and have people respond to it

im taking credit and you can't stop me

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i've found baltar's posting to be a little town. he looks like he's trying to pick apart the puzzle of the game. now, he might just be trying to project that image, but so far its all felt natural enough

his questions have been a little too on the vacuous side imo

there were several where it didn't really feel at all like he cared about the answers

which is something that he does a lot as scum

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i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment

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like seriously what the fuck, this entire conversation is almost an insult to everyone's intelligence

i

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i hit submit early. i was gonna say i don't really think its relevant to the game at this point and i don't really care about the point and my bad for encouraging it to continue i couldn't help myself lol

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i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment

so now it wasn't a shitpost anymore, it was just actual garbage that i shouldnt push you for posting because you admit that it was?

i have no idea what you're talking about here tbh the post you're quoting wasn't related to you at all, it was continuing my tris convo

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on a good day, if there are rainbows and flowers and sunshine and perfect weather and the animals are all smiling and the sun doesn't emit UV so it can't cause skin cancer, and when i'm in an exceptionally good mood, i could say that 127 is game-advancing

but then what the fuck else on your iso fits under that category? it's a shitfest in there

pedit: @fire

i dunno i think ive advanced the game a lot

it sounds like you have an issue with the way i like to play the game

which ok

sorry i guess

but have fun with trying to catch scum that way bc it isn't alignment related at all

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i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment

so now it wasn't a shitpost anymore, it was just actual garbage that i shouldnt push you for posting because you admit that it was?

i have no idea what you're talking about here tbh the post you're quoting wasn't related to you at all, it was continuing my tris convo

kindly quote what you're replying to, especially if your response is 13 posts late to the conversation

i posted a response to tris and then posted again in follow up less than 1 minute later i didn't think it would be that confusing

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i'll ask again: can you point me towards posts of yours you think have provided new, insightful content into the game?

im having an extremely hard time believing that you could genuinely think this is a line of questioning that will lead anywhere productive

there is absolutely nothing i could say here that will satisfy you bc you can very easily just go "nah thats not good enough"

so why are you asking it. what are you trying to accomplish here

obviously i think that most of my posts have provided content. ive made like idk 5-10 that were just memes but those are also useful imo for me at least for helping to feel out people's vibes and how they respond

if you think that all of my posts are useless and provide nothing then i don't really have any interest in engaging with you on this point. you can vote me for that if you want and you will be wrong

im not going to argue with you over which of my posts pass your arbitrary bar for adding valuable content to the game and not being a waste of space because that sounds very unpleasant and also pretty boring and useless

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im sorry but ive said all im interested in saying. if you don't think i have content then me linking my posts isn't going to change anything. im not going to continue this line of discussion because i'm finding it upsetting and i don't think it's useful to the game anyway.

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if you have a genuine specific question about something you would like me to expand upon, not in regards to a self-meta-analysis of how worthless my posts are, i would do so gladly, if i missed any then im sorry and feel free to point them out again

if instead you would like me to jump through hoops for you and force me to say things that i really don't want to say when they have no bearing on the game or my alignment just so that you can tell me i didn't do it well enough then i am as politely as i can manage requesting that you stop that pattern of behavior towards me and just be satisfied with voting me if you want to do that

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what i’m saying is that your posts are largely superficial and don’t contribute much to the overall gamestate. i’m not saying you’re a shitty player, im saying that’s indicative of scum because scum don’t actually have genuine thought processes when it comes to read progression. the closest scum gets to that is emulating that, but that’s hard and even then emulation is imperfect - many players just try to fabricate, instead.

either way as scum, it’s in your interest to give content that’s not truly groundbreaking or very disagreeable at all, because that generates discussion which you ideally don’t want to happen. that’s what i think is happening here and that’s what i’m trying to get you to convince me otherwise

make sense?

yea sorry for being sensitive it's probably on me

i just really really do not want to have to try to convince you of that nor do i think thats a very reasonable (or useful) request to make

so we'll just agree to disagree i guess

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i guess my point is i would prefer to convince you that i am providing content by just continuing to provide more content and not by talking about whether my previous content is content or not

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what about ausuka's recent posting has you wavering?

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i guess my point is i would prefer to convince you that i am providing content by just continuing to provide more content and not by talking about whether my previous content is content or not

ok fair

when do we start

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im probably all out of braincells too sorry

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disclaimer that this post is probably superficial and not very Content, im just thinking out loud about gamestate

this game feels weird in that it feels like most people are kind of in the thick of things and fighting with each other, but in every direction possible. there definitely isn't really town cohesion but town cohesion is often a lie anyway and in a small game like this sometimes is more likely to come from scum trying to get on people's good sides

like for example meuh and i have somewhat similar reads on things. but im hesitant to agree with her because im also suspicious of her. there's no real strong consensus reads anywhere and i think everyone has someone that is suspicious of them

i think things just feel really chaotic and messy and things are flying in every direction and i think that means scum are either not working together (or are actively placing themselves on opposite sides here and pushing each other), or there's one main scum who's mostly fighting it out solo and the other one is more on the sidelines

i lean towards the former more, i think? but maybe that's just because that makes my current individual reads more plausible

i also think that in these types of gamestates where there clearly isn't any town cohesion, i don't think there's a super high success rate of sorting out the knot of players in the middle of it especially on the first try, since with low vote totals it doesn't take much for scum to tip the scales into a direction that favors them

so i think what I'm saying as a result of this is that right now i want to try to find town and work with them more than i want to try to dive in sort out the mess

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i guess if i could find town within the mess then that would accomplish both goals but im not really sure i can do that

that's probably the optimal thing to do though

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skitter and baltar can you towncase each other?

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i kinda did start you at -10 as a safeguard against knowing immediately that i would probably auto townread your posts regardless of your alignment

so if i do feel inclined to townread things i gotta make sure you really deserve it

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some of the early posting i think also felt plausibly like coming from a scum angle as a (whats that word ffery likes. gestalt? idr. maybe thats right) i think but i don't remember why exactly but that kind of put you in my mental bucket of "be careful here" to start off

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i think this was like solely an rvs vibe read but although i liked the individual posts, as a whole thoughts didn't feel as free flowing as i wanted them to and it felt like you were having to sort of pick and choose what you wanted to respond to because you weren't fully comfortable

thats one of those gotta feel it in the moment chat maf reads though and also could very believably come from you not really playing a lot of mafia lately

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+1 townpoint unironically

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I like 494 a lot

Blah, it's a vibe for real.

I just mean it I agree with fire's sentiment that this game doesn't feel super clear rn. It would be easier for me if fire just scummed it up, but I nodded through that whole post
Wdym

help me out by telling me why you think skitter town

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I was assuming your angle was implying that my content was dumb and therefore not meaningful. Are you like, asking me to point me to the posts where I have reads, or are you asking me to point to posts where you can argue what I was saying was stupid?

No I don't think you're stupid or making stupid points. I think you're just disengaged, which I don't think is AI. My point is that you're not really playing the game much yet, which is fine...but it doesn't make sense for Meuh to townread you for that. If you think I'm wrong and there is good content there that you think its reasonable for Meuh to town read you off of, I'm open to hearing it.

i think meuh was pretty clear about the fact that her townread on ausuka wasn't because of her being disengaged

i think this is a weird point

im not sure why your read on meuh has anything to with what ausuka thinks about her own content

at least with osuka he was trying to read me off his questions. yours here just feel like busy work

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like is your argument that nobody could possibly be townreading ausuka because there isn't enough content to read her based on?

that seems like a huge stretch to me. im townreading ausuka based on what she's posted

if that isn't your argument then im not sure why meuh's read would be so unbelievable to you

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UNVOTE:

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4. Ausuka's response to the push reminds me a LOT to the early push on her in the dance game, where she was town. The intensity of it, the feelings around it, the counter-scumread on someone who was scumreading her...
Unless Ausuka is very good at replicating this set of feelings and reactions as scum (she might be, I've only played once with her and she was town), to me this just lines up very well with her town game and the general stance she held when a lot of people were questioning her and the lack of backing down felt right.

Pedit: Section 4 should answer this heehee

Hmm, I'm not sure that's a great reason but I believe you believe it I guess.

Fwiw, ausuka is very good at scum and solo carried a game I was in with her.

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

This post bugs the hell out of me, mostly. Meuh's obv pushing you, but idk how she sees Hellbrooks as your buddy.

Picking Osuka as my potential buddy also feels like "this person isn't really here".

I think I'm pretty townie this game.

And the rest are town? Sorry that is a silly take to me

This is likely my last post before my family gets in town, so apologies I can't respond as in depth to the past 5 pages I just skimmed as I would like.

But...

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

Do you see alignment in those pairs or you just PoE'd the game?

Bit of both. I do townread the other 4 more than you 4, but I also skimmed the combined ISO and the interaction between everyone there felt very blegh. iirc either small interactions shoved at the end of posts or none at all. The puzzle pieces just click quite well within the group.

Meuh, I feel like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth about this group of potential scum you posted.

I specifically asked you about alignment in those pairs because that was what I found most bizarre. I think osuka is making a good point about you attacking him when he hadn't really even posted.

The above post is you saying you do see some alignment there in the way those slots are interacting.

But then in these past pages, someone (tris maybe?) is asking you about this and you're like "lol it's just poe".

This I'd why I find your scum list unbelievable. I don't see how a person draws a conclusion those scum most likely break down that way, and I don't think you actually believed it when you said it either given how wishy washy you are on it. Also you're saying I'm scummier but you voted osuka, who hadn't posted. Pardon me? RED ALERT RED ALERT

@meuh, I don't agree with your "logic" because I don't believe you truly think that's the PoE. I don't believe you think ausuka is so town, she shouldn't be considered until later. This smacks of creative fiction. While I do think skitter was pushing a bit over the top early, I think you stretched that very far to an illogical point of ausuka is towning it up. By ausuka's own admission, she is disengaged. That's NAI.

@meuh, I don't agree with your "logic" because I don't believe you truly think that's the PoE. I don't believe you think ausuka is so town, she shouldn't be considered until later. This smacks of creative fiction. While I do think skitter was pushing a bit over the top early, I think you stretched that very far to an illogical point of ausuka is towning it up. By ausuka's own admission, she is disengaged. That's NAI.

I don’t think Ausuka’s “so town she shouldn’t be considered until later”, I just think she’s towny enough that it doesn’t make sense to worry about her rn.

What is the actual difference between these statements because I do not get it

I was assuming your angle was implying that my content was dumb and therefore not meaningful. Are you like, asking me to point me to the posts where I have reads, or are you asking me to point to posts where you can argue what I was saying was stupid?

No I don't think you're stupid or making stupid points. I think you're just disengaged, which I don't think is AI. My point is that you're not really playing the game much yet, which is fine...but it doesn't make sense for Meuh to townread you for that. If you think I'm wrong and there is good content there that you think its reasonable for Meuh to town read you off of, I'm open to hearing it.

like there is room between 'super duper engaged and not demotivated at all' and 'if you claim to have a read on this player you are scum'

I have no idea what this means.

I also wasn't really asking for a reads list, but I feel like I'm agitating you and I don't want to do that. I'm not trying to annoy you or something.

It reads to me like you think I'm being super aggressive with meuh, but I was just explaining why I find her suss after skitter asked me to expound.

We can just agree to disagree. I don't think Meuh's read of you is genuine, nor do I think her scum list explanation adds up.

[fireisredsir]

these are the posts you've made about it. i do not see a logical progression of town thought here, i just see you taking an opposing position to people you're talking to in order to argue with them and nowhere does it feel like you're genuinely thinking about this with any depth or consistency

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like i don't see why town asks ausuka to justify that she has been town enough for meuh to be townreading her. what is that supposed to accomplish? there's no way that helps you sort meuh

and at first when meuh gave her reasoning for her read on ausuka you believed it but then once it led to a poe for some reason you said it was illogical and in 493 started arguing against things that meuh never said

and then you ended up on saying that you don't believe her read. i don't think the progression makes sense, and also it doesn't make any sense to me that you're hinging your meuh read on this whe, for example, i also townread ausuka. multiple people townread others here that have less content. it feels selective and like you've just chosen something to suspect and are attacking it from any angle without really thinking. i don't see an attempt to actually work with people and solve here from you

i think its possible that there is more going on in your head here than is making it into the thread, but right now i don't see it

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and your latest post to me feels like walking back your level of investment in this because you put yourself in deeper than you wanted to

which is fine! good even

but my issue with that is that if you have that mindset im not sure why you would continue arguing and taking opposing positions in tangentially related things (see: argument with ausuka) unless you were compelled by alignment moreso towards not losing arguments than towards solving the game

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over the course of the last page i totally started coming around to the zoomer nonsensites townreading ausuka. anyway, it feels like three people acting independently just coincidentally found themselves on vice principal baltar's wagon. i dont know what to make of that -- whether it tells a story about his alignment, or whether it's just a symptom of the lack of cohesion. but honestly, idk why fire isnt voting him too. E1 jitters?

i think he's probably who i think is most likely to be scum rn but also he's just started vla and it didn't really seem like the most productive time to be putting a vote on him

there's still other stuff to look at and my reads on most people in the game are p shaky so i don't exactly have an "aha ive solved it!" feeling

although i do think ive gotten better at reading baltar than he implies based on our initial couple games together, it is true that i do still often find that his arguments make no sense when he's town and it has led me to a wrong suspicion at times

[fireisredsir]

fire, who should i try reading

ill take suggestion from anyone,

Skygazer?

this was also gonna be my suggestion, @tris

[fireisredsir]

i hope to fuck baltar is town because he's making a whole lot of sense and that's very scary if he's scum

which posts inspired this thought

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: osuka

[fireisredsir]

i don't get a solving feeling behind a lot of your recent posting, it feels more like you're doing it to check a box

and i also would like an answer to 593

[fireisredsir]

i kind of agree with that but i also kind of agree with the post itself and im not sure what to do with that

[fireisredsir]

im giving you credit for being intentionally hilarious by leaving off baltar from your readslist because he's your scum partner

in a way it's even funnier if it was unintentional but im choosing to believe that you meant to

[fireisredsir]

i have more real things to talk about but i don't really feel like doing them rn, hopefully later

[fireisredsir]

ok briefly

there was one post baltar made that i thought was really bad. the one where he said the people pushing him must be scum bc they stopped solving once he wasn't there. that falls apart if you even glance in the direction of starting to think about it

and as much as i enjoyed and appreciated the hellbrooks Worst Post of All Time it really kinda does feel like a post scum makes more than town. not that town can't have that reaction but it requires the poster to have landed in a specific mindset whereas it's pretty standard for scum imo

i have seen meuh make that kind of post as town but tbh objectively without having that context i think it's scummier than it is towny. and i pushed her for it that game since i was scum against her. so maybe my own take on this is flavoring my understanding here a bit too much but i don't think "wow that post is unassailably towny" necessarily is likely to come from someone who doesn't know that it is coming from a town player making a town post

that last sentence was awful grammatically but im not gonna try to fix it

basically it feels kinda tmi

[fireisredsir]

extremely incendiary reads list probably change by tomorrow

{osuka, ausuka}
{meuh}
{skitter}
{fire}
{tris, skygazer}

actually i am confused how osuka ended up at the top

[fireisredsir]

im convinced this is hellbooks being cheeky/open-wolfing

can you explain why you think your VLA would get in the way of scum pushing you

I'm convinced this is an easy wagon to push by the same suss crowd who was pushing me before my VLA got in the way.

?

Meuh and sky gazer

[fireisredsir]

oh no i did the thing where i put the reply in the wrong place

im a boomer

[fireisredsir]

"can you explain why you think your VLA would get in the way of scum pushing you" was the question to baltar

[fireisredsir]

also someone asked a while ago if the early skitter scumreads had diminished and i would say yes

i think at first other people just got scummier but now i think skitter has gotten townier, it feels like she's trying to solve the game

[fireisredsir]

its ok it still works, this way we're arm clasping about failing to reply to quotes correctly

[fireisredsir]

im assuming that's the meme, i don't really know what rocky is

[fireisredsir]

answer the question tho

[fireisredsir]

im so confused how you think this logic checks out

you are loud and argue when you're here and would probably convince people not to vote for you if you tried hard enough

so the people who pushed you when you were here in order to engage with you directly but then waited for you to get back to continue are... opportunistic...... scum?

like do you see my point here

how is that a scummy thing for them to do? wouldn't scum be more likely to take the opportunity of you not being here to argue and push for your lim? which is literally the opposite?

[fireisredsir]

or are you saying that you arguing back will get more people to vote for you in which case. what. i don't really believe that town you thinks that

[fireisredsir]

i think i have been trying to engage with you and understand your thought process pretty much every time ive posted at you

i asked for you to explain your progression on meuh because i didn't understand it (and explained why it didn't make sense to me) and you didn't respond

i asked you to explain here your thought process bc i don't understand how you could think that people stopping pushing you while you go VLA is a point of evidence in favor of them being scum

you are saying here that you think town is more likely than scum to keep pushing you while you're VLA rather than wait for you to get back and try to engage with you then (you haven't said these words, but they are the direct logical conclusion to what you said. of the two possibilities being while you're VLA "push you" or "don't", you are saying that "don't" is the scummy one)

that is such a stretch for me to believe that you could actually think that

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Fire, is there a post I have made this game you haven't immediately responded to by calling it scummy?

I don't believe you're actually engaging in genuine discussion here so much as trying to justify to others that you want to vote me.

i also don't really get this response to two posts where i am not doing the thing that you're saying lol

those posts aren't responding to your posts saying you're scum, they're trying to explain my issue with the thought process that you've displayed to the thread and me trying to work through possible explanations for what you said to get you to elaborate more and help me see if something you say helps make it click that you are approaching this from a town mindset

that is like the definition of engaging in discussion to try to sort you and understand your thoughts

[fireisredsir]

Tbf meuh has been online for like two hours or something I'm hoping she's just crafting a massive wallpost

I'm in class so I just have the game open and check once in a while

morningposting era is over this is now also me

[fireisredsir]

Bloop

VOTE: tris

I went back to look at some other tris games and like they were similar in terms of she doesn't post a lot but in those games she focuses her energy when she does post on like... Pushing people and prodding and poking around in a more towny way. Here I don't think there's any of that; she mostly doesn't vote, afaik she isn't voting hellbooks for any specific reason and she twice made comments about like, "wanting" to push people but not actually doing it.

Sorry tris

i have a similar read on tris meta btw but I actually kinda had the opposite conclusion. i thought that she was poking and prodding in a towny way here

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: baltar

[fireisredsir]

tris was scum in the xyzzy large theme and i read some of that which is part of where my meta read was coming from

[fireisredsir]

Spoiler:

Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

what is the difference between being afraid of the wagon and being anxious?

why does everyone think that post is towny?

id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

Like, on the one hand, this is kind of a BS reason from fire...the reason it is BS being that fire has a mediocre track record of reading me correctly and I've kind of barely done anything this game yet.

Osuka jumps in and attacks its vagueryness...which is not only the wrong reason to dislike that fire post, it's worth about as much as the poop he wants to put in my pants (not much). Fire can be vague, but the "oh I have a VP read from nothing" is the actual sus part.

But if Fire knows they aren't particularly good at reading you, wouldn't it then make more sense for them to be reserved on their feeling on you? Isn't it natural for them to decide to wait for something more substantive before outing the read completely,

because

of this track record?

that wasn't the reason fire gave for holding it back.

hmm. it doesnt seem particularly forced to me. is that elaboratable?

I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

hold on, is this the post people are saying is ausuka being scummy for overreacting to being scumread? because here she was being prompted to characterize the discussion around her. and saying she doesn't know how to respond to it. doesn't feel like she's reacting strongly to it. its more passive.

baltar is a question mark and so is skitter

what kinda question marks? can i conclude from this that people you didn't mention are not question marks?

like, no idea at all?

and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

actully, tho, can i get an answer to my query please thank verymuch

and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

[/spoiler
@ausuka none of these posts are hard to make at all but i still think she's more likely to make them as town than as scum. i just get the feeling from the posts that she is watching and reading and trying to think critically about the game and the mindset generally feels towny to me. she is poking people where there's things that interest her, but isn't really just forcing reads for the sake of having them. it looks more like observative (is that a word?) curiosity than performative which i think comes from town

i also think that her multiple times indicating at least some interest in following my opinion or asking for some direction from me, but then when i explain why i think baltar is scummy she's like "hmm nah not feeling that one" is actually quite towny unless specifically paired with baltar

[fireisredsir]

whoops. that wasn't supposed to go all inside there

[fireisredsir]

[ausuka]
[tris, skitter]
[meuh]
[osuka]
[skygazer, hellbooks]
[baltar]

[fireisredsir]

Bullshit. You have been saying I'm illogical and making no sense. There is zero effort in there toward actual understanding. You're not seeking answers to the rhetorical questions you've peppered in. It's performance art. This is not how you engage with me when you're town.

???

this is so fake lol

you skipped past the post where i was literally seeking answers to get you to explain your thought process and instead just started blustering about this one

you can't just ignore the posts where i ask you things and then say "you're not really trying to engage with me!!"

the last part is also not even remotely true bc you get annoyed with how i engage with you as town like all the time

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im not sure if brooks is scum, im not even sure if you're scum although with that response i think it's more likely

i don't really want to elim brooks rn though and so I'd rather have a wagon on the person i think is most likely to be scum

[fireisredsir]

because i don't think you're playing at all like how you've played when you're scum and i think you are also playing like how you play when you're town

[fireisredsir]

pretty much everything you've posted i feel like i can see where it's coming from and where your head is at and why you posted it

[fireisredsir]

there's not a specific meta tell it's a gestalt thing

[fireisredsir]

i just want to say that i read all of meuh's post and i am a better person for it

[fireisredsir]

deeply moving and dare i say lifechanging. 10/10

[fireisredsir]

Fire can i just sheep you

usually im like hell to the no but honestly on this one i don't think baltar has been anything like his town self that ive seen recently

i think he's like making stuff up as he goes and just barely getting by on tone and bluster

[fireisredsir]

i don't think hellbooks' readlists or them changing is especially scummy but more thoughts on the things that are making them change would probably help

[fireisredsir]

hmm

UNVOTE:

[fireisredsir]

god i wish

[fireisredsir]

can't post at length rn but have a few things i want to respond to and am willing to give baltar some space to work after that, i could have been wrong

[fireisredsir]

the firebaltar stans will love this

[fireisredsir]

There is an over reliance on a very small thing here (skitter's initial push out of RVS), and then a leaning on a point from a player who fire finds moderately scummy questionable? Fire's super power is being very thoughtful and thorough as a thinker. That is not on display here at all.

ok so you make this type of point a couple times and i think it is v silly. first of all, even if i am scumreading someone, it's possible that they do things that aren't scummy, or make points that i agree with. that's called being open to new info and continuously evaluating and sorting and being uninformed. things aren't black and white and you know that i don't play like they are

second, in this case i was just using referencing meuh's point as shorthand for a thought that i had already thought myself. i wasn't saying "wow great point meuh you're so right", i was saying "i think the same thing as meuh said here". ik you can't see inside my head to know that difference but just so you know

Case in point: It's completely farcical that fire finds me scummy because I think I'm being town. Like what?

i still think this tbh. you hadn't done anything towny at that point and you weren't really engaged with the game. especially comparing to your recent towngames like HotD where you obvtowned, its a little unbelievable for you to think you were especially towny at that point

Which reads to me as someone stoking a conflict from the sidelines. Again, the wedge being pushed here is a Meuh/VP divide. Fire's reasoning is shaky at best. My point is "weird." The point I was making was quite clear. Fire is welcome to disagree, but calling it "weird" and "busy work" is pretty much a steaming pile of doo doo that reads like friend signaling to ausuka more than trying to be substantiative.

you are actually right that i kinda felt like ausuka may need some support, but thats from the perspective of being town and her being my top townread and me not wanting her to get pushed out of being interested in the game which is what it seemed like was happening

im not saying i wouldn't do similar as scum but just so you know what my actual mindset was

and i do think your point was bad and i explained why and you still haven't addressed that or explained yourself further. you can't just say "my point is clear" while refusing to back it up. im aware that you do this as town too so this isn't a reason why i scumread you, its just kinda frustrating

While I'm gone gone, fire makes a really half hearted attempt to push osuka, which is clearly not something fire actually believes in. it's an absolute placeholder push until I get back. Then once I re-emerge and call out the hellbrooks wagon as being kinda bullshit to push as a placeholder until I return, fire gets bent out of shape and calls me illogical DESPITE FUCKING SAYING WHEN I WENT VLA THAT THEY COULDN'T VOTE ME BECAUSE IT'S "NOT PRODUCTIVE".

i have no idea what your point is here or why you think this would be inconsistent

[fireisredsir]

I also find fire's scum read on meuh so fake. For example, fire cites some meta for why they townread meuh. Meuh assures fire the meta is wrong. Meuh then fails to supply said counter meta. Fire then just lets it go as a nonpoint.

In post 409, fireisredsir wrote:i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment


Much like fire, meuh also manages to stop doing much of anything meaningful while I was gone.

i am too lazy to quote this properly but 409 was about you and not about mueh at all. i feel like that's p obvious from context so im not sure why you're doing this

[fireisredsir]

i don't think hellbooks' readlists or them changing is especially scummy but more thoughts on the things that are making them change would probably help

lol, fire had hellbrooks as second scummiest on their list. This is not real posting.

again this is ridiculous

not everything that people i scumread do is scummy

i find her readlist changing to be close to NAI

i don't get why you would be incapable of figuring that out

[fireisredsir]

uhhh there was something else i had on my brain to talk about besides baltar and i dont remember what it was

one was to say that the main reason i don't scumread skygazer was the consistency of the push on baltar and at the time i was pretty convinced baltar was scum. if he isn't then i don't really have any reason to townread skygazer and probably would scumread them

i think there was one more thing tho

[fireisredsir]

i can see why ppl would scumread me here. too low energy to defend myself rn but i think its telling the two ppl i've played the most mafia with (ausuka/skitter) presumably have me at null or town. am just a weirdo sometimes and i have trouble getting into D1

i also think this is a pretty scummy post

[fireisredsir]

This gives me extra bad feelings because I remember during the dance game that I almost always saw Baltar as the more reasonable one in his interactions with others.

i think this isn't a great metric to measure baltar's alignment by lol

your informed-ness may have impacted you there as well

[fireisredsir]

love this description, ty google, and hellbooks for the new word

[fireisredsir]

im gonna break my own self-imposed rule of going out of my way to blow up my meta every time i play a game, but fuck it at this point i need ~something~ to go off of

question to the room: is 941 in baltar's scumrange?

i personally love that post and off of that alone i am inclined to take that slot off of my d1 pool but i am also very afraid of doing that because that's very much the sort of shit that i do, have done, and will keep on doing as either alignment when shit goes sideways next to deadline. that's absolutely in my scumrange and ive gotten away with it more times than i probably shouldve, so i want to make sure that's not super out of character for town baltar before i make up my mind before deadline

yea it is

idk if i have a specific example of him doing that but i know him and i know that if he felt especially motivated to be like "nah fuck it im not dying d1 here" he would pull that out to imitate what he might do as town (he had a post similar to that the first time i played with him, when he was town)

it is a pretty good post though imo and i felt like he was less likely to be scum after reading it

[fireisredsir]

im aware we're supposed to be consolidating but

VOTE: skygazer

[fireisredsir]

maybe osuka

maybe both

probably not

i think that the trap of "literally exactly the two people on this plist that i didn't know prior to this game are scum" is both an easy one for me to fall into and also exceedingly unlikely and im a little nervous that's happening

[fireisredsir]

is there a reason ur scumreading me

it feels to me like you are positioned in a way to not really stand out but also contribute to an acceptable level and i think that's where scum likes to sit a lot of the time

i don't really get the sense that you have any opinions on the game that you care strongly about (wavering on overall reads is okay, i do that too, but even just feels kinda lacking in the "this post makes me feel THIS and i BELIEVE IN THIS" area) (you could help this by sharing what things you care most about at the moment)

it's also i guess like a raising bar sort of thing where it feels to me like other people have gotten townier in my view and so that leaves me to look at the people who were previously more in the nulls

which is sometimes an effective approach to the game but sometimes can backfire if the scum are powerposting and fooling me and leading the game but idk what to do about that rn

[fireisredsir]

im gonna break my own self-imposed rule of going out of my way to blow up my meta every time i play a game, but fuck it at this point i need ~something~ to go off of

question to the room: is 941 in baltar's scumrange?

i personally love that post and off of that alone i am inclined to take that slot off of my d1 pool but i am also very afraid of doing that because that's very much the sort of shit that i do, have done, and will keep on doing as either alignment when shit goes sideways next to deadline. that's absolutely in my scumrange and ive gotten away with it more times than i probably shouldve, so i want to make sure that's not super out of character for town baltar before i make up my mind before deadline

yea it is

idk if i have a specific example of him doing that but i know him and i know that if he felt especially motivated to be like "nah fuck it im not dying d1 here" he would pull that out to imitate what he might do as town (he had a post similar to that the first time i played with him, when he was town)

it is a pretty good post though imo and i felt like he was less likely to be scum after reading it

I agree with Fire's assessment. It's possible I could do that as scum, but it would take serious motivation. It took me like 3 hours of rereading the game to formulate that post.

That's unlikely for me to do as scum and I can't think of any recent examples from my scum games, but it is possible if I cared enough I suppose.

wow omg agreeing about a point made by someone you scumread!! very sus imo

[fireisredsir]

is this how you pocket me

[fireisredsir]

why not

i was gonna go look up why there was a wagon there earlier and then it went away, i think i remember that happening, but i haven't don't it yet

[fireisredsir]

skitter can you give a brief summary of why you think hellbooks is the best lim

[fireisredsir]

i gotta work so dont hammer until i’m back

either tris is scum or the tooth pain really is doing something there. this sounds like omgus but that’s a ridiculously opportunistic vote

explain why its opportunistic pls

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im just confused why you think it's opportunistic to vote you specifically

would you have said the same if the vote was on another wagon?

i think her vote on you was less momentum-following than other possible votes which to me doesn't seem particularly opportunistic

[fireisredsir]

hm i kind of like that point

[fireisredsir]

im not concerned about optics - i'm only showing you why it makes no sense to do that as scum

you haven't answered the question: why would i put my ass on the line for a townie here? i wasnt under pressure back then but i did put myself in a position where i'm exposed to it, and again at a time of particular volatility vote-wise.

to be clear: if you think i would take this risk as scum for a slot that i think is town, youre out of your fucking mind because playing scum is about taking calculated risks and there's no calculation that would justify me creating this situation

i don't think anything you did was putting your ass on the line at all so im not sure where this is coming from

[fireisredsir]

momentum was dying on baltar and momentum was somewhat rising on me and you followed baltar onto me

where in that exactly is you putting your ass on the line to save baltar

i don't think that baltar lim stopped bc you specifically stopped it if thats what you're saying? baltar stopped it himself

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this game is stalled and we're getting to the deadline

i'm still torn on whether i'm okay with vpb or not. it's been really hard to get a good read this game for whatever reason and i'm very very tired so i'm not super sharp right now. i sort of want to come back to this tomorrow and see what i can do in terms of figuring out which of fire/vpb is scum because i very much doubt that's tvt

this doesn't really feel like someone putting their ass on the line to save baltar

and by the time you came to a conclusion, some people had already backed off

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like what im pointing out is that this is not the path of least resistance at all. what's my scum motivation to do this?

i don't really agree

baltar wasn't where the momentum was, i think that would have been a path of resistance

he's also p easy to hide behind

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skitter can you give a brief summary of why you think hellbooks is the best lim

I don't really like her response to the wagon. I feel like she's trying to project towniness by virtue of vibes and presence, but i don't get the sense that she's trying to find scum, or that her thoughts abt the game are Real. She's just kinda saying whatever pops into her mind but there isnt really followthrough or like an established thought process to follow linking post to post or stance to stance

I feel like she's making posts that are designed to be found townie (like the all caps one), and that more effort is going into that than solving

I don't like the resistance to thw wagon, and idk why people are townreading her

i guess if she is scum then i am failing to differentiate between her projecting towniness and designing posts to be found townie and them actually just being towny posts

i agree more effort is going into the vibes than the displaying solving but i think she is still solving and part of me thinks that if she was scum then she wouldn't have much trouble siphoning some of that effort into displaying a consistent progression on the game

like that doesn't seem like it would be very hard

i had her more nullish but think im talking myself into more of a townread

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what about any of this says hiding

the part before people voted you? when you weren't under pressure?

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ok nevermind im talking myself back out of a townread, back to null she goes

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at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

the issue is that i don't agree that you were exposing yourself at all

it's not counter to mainstream opinion to say that someone who made an effort wallpost actually is townier as a result of having made that post

there's no exposure there. that's just following the natural flow of things

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i don't really think people are voting you over those posts

i think the transparency is generally helpful for reading you

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because it obviously bit me in the ass

what did you mean by this?

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can you stop asking obvious questions

im the leading wagon am i not

you said that the transparency bit you in the ass

i said that people aren't voting you over the transparency

you said that you disliked it because obvtowning gets you shot

now you clarify your original statement to confirm that you meant that it bit you in the ass bc people are voting for you

i don't understand the thought process here

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I feel like osuka' gonna be a miss tbh

i feel the same about hellbooks so

I'm taking osuka out of my vote pool today. I think that he's a bit abrasive, but i think he's right: i don't think he needs to go out of his way to defend the leading wagon there unless he's scum with vpb

do you really think that baltar was likely to be the lim after he made his big post and i backed off?

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i think scum skitter is generally more careful to be in tune with having the right amount of agreeableness for people to feel like she's on their side

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i don't feel like my tr on tris is wrong but im not sure how to back that up in a meaningful way

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im done im not even sure if its a very meaningful point i was mostly just confused what he was thinking

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Ok, where I thought you were going is that scum actually do very often resist the lead wagon when they know it will flip town. I thought that was why you asked him if he believed it was still going to happen.

I find it a bit silly that osuka thinks he saved me, especially when I got the vibe he was still considering me on the table.

i think that's also true (skygazer said that earlier) but i still just disagree with the premise that you were even functionally the lead wagon at that point

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that point i do think is more meaningful

the part that maybe isn't was the thing about the transparency. idk what that was all about but its probably not worth going back and forth on

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i feel about the same as hellbooks on that point and have said that same thing in similar situations as town before

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i don't think it's brooks

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Fire can you change your mind again pwease?

maybe

i don't really like the "this wagon is yikes im gonna join it for info teehee"

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i might have misunderstood that actually

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left that for you you're welcome

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okay my bad

never get in a reading comprehension battle with baltar, everyone

id take a different approach if i were in your shoes

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im not really sure what to do sorry uhhh

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i don't want to lim:

skitter
ausuka

i don't want to lim but slightly less strongly:

tris
meuh

id probably vote for the counterwagon to this if it's not a name above this:

hellbooks

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im kinda nervous about meuh ngl

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its only been a month and ive already forgotten how to be capable of choosing to eliminate people from this lovely game

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my usual strategy here is to just vote the person who seems to be making me feel the most bad about potentially eliminating them

i don't have stats on the effectiveness of said strategy

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hey btw the team is meuh/osuka just so y'all know, i had a moment, the spirits spoke to me

leaving this here to be forgotten completely unless it's right

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VOTE: osuka

e-1

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im leaning more towards "please play in like every game ever"

same

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meuh is scum

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this is a more of a reminder to myself than anything to not forget how much i think meuh is scum in this particular moment

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Reminder to self that Fire is townie rn

I am gall, I am heartburn. God's most deep decree
Bitter would have me taste: my taste was me;
Bones built in me, flesh filled, blood brimmed the curse.
Selfyeast of spirit a dull dough sours. I see
The lost are like this, and their scourge to be
As I am mine, their sweating selves; but worse.

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yoooo fr though i cant wait to look into all of these things come tomorrow. im so excited, lets have a good night and wake up fresh in the morning kids. i can just imagine getting to wake up on day 2 and seeing all of your smiling faces and giving all of you a big hug so that we can all be ready to face the day together. its gonna be great.

pls no ur gonna make me cry

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this is a pretty zoomer game tbh

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hm

still not sure about skygazer

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VOTE: meuh

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bc you're scum!

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idk your twilight posting was exact same vibes as in dance game when everything was going fast and you weren't quite hitting the right marks in the moment

its a chat maf read and im trusting it this time

and also this time ydra can't yank me out of the game with her before i get a chance to pull the trigger on it

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why those two specifically?

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its sort of a strange description because i think they in general are at pretty different heights relative to the radar

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skitter was one of the bigger pushers of brooks and i would expect that to be pretty noticeable

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idk your twilight posting was exact same vibes as in dance game when everything was going fast and you weren't quite hitting the right marks in the moment

its a chat maf read and im trusting it this time

and also this time ydra can't yank me out of the game with her before i get a chance to pull the trigger on it

Can you expand on this a little for me? I feel like I only half paid attention in that game. What do you mean by "hitting the right marks"?

it's not something that i expect to be able to convey very well

but in chat mafia you can like tell if someone is not quite reacting how town would react in the moment, things are a little stiff or off, the reactions just don't fit with the town mindset that the person would have at that time

its the main benefit of realtiming with people. when people have time to structure their posts and plan things out, scum can stay hidden, but if they end up pressured to post in real time it's easy to slip up

in hollow knight elo i tried it with gimli and knew something was wrong but didn't trust myself on it

here i think meuh was forcing her reactions and when i called her scum she responded really self-consciously imo, felt like she knew what i was seeing and didn't know how to deflect it

it's sort of plausible that she would, like she said today, as town know that she was posting weirdly and know that i noticed and also not really know how to respond to that very well. i knew i would lose confidence in this tbh but im trying to stick with my initial instinct bc i felt it really strongly

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also i don't want to lim baltar rn thats a path to a loss if he's town

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imo there's 2 scum in meuh/skygazer/osuka and baltar is the kill with some of the highest possible momentum outside of that group rn and him getting pushed right away here is not making me feel good about it

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meuh do you think osuka/hellbooks was t/t wagons yesterday

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i think the whole "well osuka will probably just claim something so let's lim hellbooks who has heavily implied VT" was p sketchy and i wish i had woken up slightly earlier to argue against it, that was kind of frustrating

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Do you actually think Baltar's town or do you just think his spot in the game makes him town and the downside on mislimming him is bad
Cause I don't really remember any Baltar!town argument beyond "that long post was kind of good" which has been bothering me because he's made substantial content
Maybe there's been some though

i am not that confident but i can review a bit later

i don't think he's out of townrange by any means despite thinking he was more on the scummy side earlier

but from how im viewing things rn i think scum wants to lim him

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like i think this game was significantly more winnable if we didn't lim hellbooks there and im annoyed w myself that i didn't push for that more firmly earlier

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i think that skitter is town and i also think that voting sky as a reaction to ausuka death is a sign of someone thinking about things from a town perspective and also probably a good move

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im aware we're supposed to be consolidating but

VOTE: skygazer

maybe osuka

maybe both

probably not

i think that the trap of "literally exactly the two people on this plist that i didn't know prior to this game are scum" is both an easy one for me to fall into and also exceedingly unlikely and im a little nervous that's happening

maybe we are actually in exceedingly-unlikely-land

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baltar might kill ausuka too tho tbh

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VOTE: skygazer

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we should 100% lim skygazer

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like i am very confident here skygazer is scum