Micro 1085: Even/Odd Killers [GAME OVER]

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hi y'all!
VOTE: fire

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ngl i'm not getting reasons for scum-shea.

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also not fan of sheep's strat
i know it was said by somebody before but it could be a dumbtell.

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going to check on merlyn's meta but her self-consciousness could be nai

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a quick iso of our last game together shows she tends to be white-knighty and does dumbtell as scum

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VOTE: appearance

is this cause of 90?

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*because

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VOTE: appearance

is this cause of 90?

are u insinuating that im omgus'ing

yeah.
tho i can see now it's more of a playstyle clash thing

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VOTE: appearance

is this cause of 90?

are u insinuating that im omgus'ing

yeah.
tho i can see now it's more of a playstyle clash thing

I don't see a notable difference in your playstyles, but maybe I'm just having a tough catching on. What's sticking out to you?

i feel like me and sheep have differing views on scumtells in that imo questioning if one thinks someone else is scum depends on context rather than content. it could range from nai confusion to actual white-knighting.

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appearance can u talk about why u felt the need to say "im not getting the reasons for scum-shea"? was it like, direct response to fire or to the presence of a wagon on him or something? it felt a bit out of nowhere because I dont feel like "shea scum" is super present in this thread, relative to any other existing things

mostly to fire.
their reasons felt too much overanalytical.

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a quick iso of our last game together shows she tends to be white-knighty and does dumbtell as scum

Who is this post about?

u obviously

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a quick iso of our last game together shows she tends to be white-knighty and does dumbtell as scum

Who is this post about?

u obviously

I can't imagine why this would be about me. We have never played a completed game together first off. As far as I know, the only time we've interacted with each other is in an ongoing game, which a) we can't talk about, b) I replaced out of in twelve posts, and c) as far as I know my replacement is still playing and thus you have no idea what alignment.

VOTE: Appearance

i'm just going to say that this is pretty much omgus.

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as for the iso, it'd be that i saw that as scum, u whiteknighted kowah.

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i did not say u were scum in this game cause of that
in fact, if u had voted because of my lack of content, i'd have no problem.

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because that is a reasonable take

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voting me because i brought up a game u didn't know was completed does not feel like good faith

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do town not omgus?

they can, but they won't try to overdo the justification for it.

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i did not say u were scum in this game cause of that
in fact, if u had voted because of my lack of content, i'd have no problem.

because that is a reasonable take

voting me because i brought up a game u didn't know was completed does not feel like good faith

You said something that's not true. That always pings my radar, way worse than 'lack of content'. The fact that the game was completed is not what I'm voting you about.

then, ur entire reasoning is u think i made up meta.

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over just not interpreting ur actions in that game the way u intended?
because i'm not seeing why that is ai?
p-edit: sorry if i come off as that.

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over just not interpreting ur actions in that game the way u intended?
because i'm not seeing why that is ai?
p-edit: sorry if i come off as that.

to be clear, post prior to p-edit is @merlyn

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tho i'll try to be more careful with my wording is that's the problem with things

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Why are you voting fireisred? I must have missed that.

that was rvs.
i've just haven't unvoted yet.

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my problem is I think you're being too careful with your wording, not that you're not careful enough.

I think you're framing your conversations with others in ways that try to make them look bad rather than try to figure out their alignment.

oh.
that wasn't intentional.

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i did not say u were scum in this game cause of that
in fact, if u had voted because of my lack of content, i'd have no problem.

because that is a reasonable take

voting me because i brought up a game u didn't know was completed does not feel like good faith

You said something that's not true. That always pings my radar, way worse than 'lack of content'. The fact that the game was completed is not what I'm voting you about.

then, ur entire reasoning is u think i made up meta.

and you're still saying you didn't

i might've misinterpreted but in my mind, it did feel whiteknighty.
tho, given what shea said, it's probably nai and so i concede that i was wrong to think it was scum-indicative

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so tldr, i'm wrong that u whiteknighting is scum indicative

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appearance whats your definition of white knighting

when somebody launches a defence on another player who is not widely tred.

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am i misundetstanding wht whiteknighting is?

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*what

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tho on a reread, maybe i was wrong on merlyn whiteknighting kowah.

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i'll apologise for that.

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tbh tho, i should UNVOTE: fire.

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one random thing tho is i think black seems quieter than what i remember them being like in our last game together.
i'm not sure if this is town-indicative but to my knowledge, black seems like someone who would do more as scum.

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btw, i'm vt but that probably should be obvious as i would've claimed earlier if i was cop.

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btw, i'm vt but that probably should be obvious as i would've claimed earlier if i was cop.

I would like to know what reasonable basis you had on claiming this. You're on e-1 but under no significant elim threat. All this does is if you're not scum narrow down the kill window of scum.

isn't it standard procedure to claim at e-1?
this feels too like u're using nai reasons to make it ai.

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one random thing tho is i think black seems quieter than what i remember them being like in our last game together.
i'm not sure if this is town-indicative but to my knowledge, black seems like someone who would do more as scum.

I don't really think my activity level is AI one way or the other tbh

oh.
got that.

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btw, i'm vt but that probably should be obvious as i would've claimed earlier if i was cop.

I would like to know what reasonable basis you had on claiming this. You're on e-1 but under no significant elim threat. All this does is if you're not scum narrow down the kill window of scum.

isn't it standard procedure to claim at e-1?
this feels too like u're using nai reasons to make it ai.

It's more SOP to claim when someone says they intend to hammer you and asks you to claim.

I don't know if this is relevant but since it's coming up a lot and it seems like it might be affecting player perception of you- appearance, do you mind saying if you're an alt? If you are you absolutely don't have to share of who

got that.
yeah, I've seen it brought up; this was supposed to be a secret alt where i try a different style to normal.

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i've caught up now and i'm leaning towards delta being confbiased town.
i personally feel like it's just poor wording on his behalf and he genuinely beliefs that he's right about dats.
tbh an interesting point i've seen from delta would be that fire's been pretty defensive of dats, which imo is odd delta would put them higher than merlyn yet seem to not have a favourable opinion of.

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so maybe there is a chance delta is just pretending but most of their posts give off confbias vibes oppose to malice

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I gave my readslist before this whole interaction...

ah.
so u had no problem with fire before?
what is ur opinion of their defence then?
because i'd thought u were implying they were scum or bad town and i don't feel like they would make sense as bad town.

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i've caught up now and i'm leaning towards delta being confbiased town.
i personally feel like it's just poor wording on his behalf and he genuinely beliefs that he's right about dats.
tbh an interesting point i've seen from delta would be that fire's been pretty defensive of dats, which imo is odd delta would put them higher than merlyn yet seem to not have a favourable opinion of.

I see the fact that Delta didn't have those interactions with FB yet before writing this posts has already been addressed, but I have a different question- why did you bring me, specifically, up? FB is ahead of sheep, you, me, and Datsi all on the list.

i'll assume that fb here is talking about fire, who you confused with a player not present rn.
i brought u up because u were the second lowest and the way delta talked about fire after the readslist didn't feel at all like he liked their play this game. for example, he compared to them to a rottweiler in 344. meanwhile, he only asked u for reads but otherwise seemed more focused on dats and fire.

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tho tbh fire does seem worse now and i would like an explanation for that sheep read.

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I tend to just believe when someone self-metas themself town lmaoo

i can't tell if u're being serious but imo self-meta is nai and tbh i tend to treat it like normal meta.

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its also worth noting: re all the mech talk.

It is definitely still good for town to hit SK today but it is especially good for scum to hit SK today because then they direct all the nightkills.

So I think its worth looking into who was a little bit too enthusiastic about refuting the "we shouldn't try to hit sk today" point.

from memory, i've only heard the 'aim for maf' strat from don and i actually feel like his reasoning feels kinda reasonable. (it's nothing to do with me being his sk read.)

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I think they solving and honestly the fact that everyone keeps saying they think we're partnered even further reinforces my read that they're town.

Doesn't seem very likely that scum would push a narrative of me having a scum buddy when I'm town.

are you saying roden is scum? who else said this

pretty sure there's been people who have implied that.
for example, dats imo seemed to have been considering a shea/merlyn team in the questioning of shea's merlyn tr.
at least, i feel like it could've been interpreted as such.

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tho honestly i don't completely agree with shea on the reasoning for town-merlyn.

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for example, 'lackluster and inconsistent' is much of a scumtell as it's a towntell.

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its also worth noting: re all the mech talk.

It is definitely still good for town to hit SK today but it is especially good for scum to hit SK today because then they direct all the nightkills.

So I think its worth looking into who was a little bit too enthusiastic about refuting the "we shouldn't try to hit sk today" point.

from memory, i've only heard the 'aim for maf' strat from don and i actually feel like his reasoning feels kinda reasonable. (it's nothing to do with me being his sk read.)

actually, re: this, it seems like i missed delta and i agree with what u said about him.

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for example, 'lackluster and inconsistent' is much of a scumtell as it's a towntell.

also, it seems like u're making exceptions here for merlyn.

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and anyways, lackluster would be the exact opposite of her play.

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for example, i feel like she has done more in this game than just posting things for the sake of posting.
at least, imo when i read 'lackluster', that's what i think.

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for example, 'lackluster and inconsistent' is much of a scumtell as it's a towntell.

also, it seems like u're making exceptions here for merlyn.

more on this, can't u also say my posts are lackluster?
but then, of course, i'm still scum, cause u think i 'stopped playing the game' after getting pushed.

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to be clear, i'm not disputing the tr on merlyn, i just want to say that the reasoning doesn't sit right with me.

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appearance, who do you scumread?

probably fire rn. they seems to a touch bit too defensive in that they've played the contrarian when i was being wagoned (140, 147), defended datisi real hard (330, 343). tho one thing which i like the least is the unexplained sheep tr (376, 403, 405, 408). and 501 feels kinda like they've been paying not enough attention to the game.

anyways, i guess i'd go back to VOTE: fire.

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501 is a question that i would like specifically shea to answer

didn't shea mention delta prior to that?
the way u phrased things felt like u weren't reading all of shea's posts or else chose to focus on roden specifically when both delta and don had mentioned the strat.
something i want to ask u is why u chose to ask shea only on roden. did u not care about his opinion on the others (e.g. don)?

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501 is a question that i would like specifically shea to answer

didn't shea mention delta prior to that?
the way u phrased things felt like u weren't reading all of shea's posts or else chose to focus on roden specifically when both delta and don had mentioned the strat.
something i want to ask u is why u chose to ask shea only on roden. did u not care about his opinion on the others (e.g. don)?

he's ignoring me anyway so whatever okay

where did shea mention delta? and where did don say shea/merlyn were teamed?

i mentioned roden bc he was the main one to bring up the idea. delta expressed interest in it at least. i disagree that datisi expressed a belief in the theory. i was wondering who shea thought the scum was that was pushing the theory bc his stated reason for townreading merlyn in that post relies on him thinking that someone pushing the theory is scum

don didn't say shea/merlyn were aligned but he did mention the 'aim for maf' strat.

and i'm pretty sure shea mentioned delta in 483.

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anyways, i'm going to be catching up now.

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felt more like talking/arguing for the sake of it rather than genuine attempts to solve

hasn't that been what shea's being saying for a while now?
like i can't tell if it's because of me voting u or something because when shea first mentioned it, i don't remember u agreeing.
p-edit: because u suggested don said shea/merlyn were aligned and i was correcting u.

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Pretty sure Appearance is just waiting to die but doesn't want to prod dodge.

i mean like if it ends up benefiting town, you could say that.
tho i feel like when i actually flip vt, people should really try reaccessing and looking at the votelog.
my play this game definitely has been my worst and i'm sorry.
tho i'll probably post my final readslist soon.

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intent on appearance

based on the most recent votecount (and my assumption that fire won't vote themselves) 2 people need to be convinced on fire being a better kill than appearance. stuff i've seen so far hasn't really convinced me at all. giving this like... 12 hours for appearance's last readslist and for whowever wants to make cases against fire.

sorry for taking so long on the readslist. i was offsite most of yesterday but i promise i'll post one now.

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town

merlyn -> i think is too aggressive than what i think scum would be
delta -> seemed pretty confbiased on dats for a while (which i think leans town)

sheep
shea
don
roden

datisi

fire -> see 519

scum

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i'll go overreasoning for others later as i'm currently busy.

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gg and grats, fire!

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u played real well imo