Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

fireisredsir · Post Post #100 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:44 pm

aaaaa i forgot that i was eagerly awaiting this game starting and i missed the most fun part

fireisredsir · Post Post #101 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:45 pm

In post 71, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 52, Thestatusquo wrote: me and my goat are here and we are both scum with hellbooks.
this is me next leveling fireisred because I want to see how he reacts to it no one tell him.

i was so confused by the baltar pfp that i didn't even comprehend the post itself until just now when i went back to respond to this

fireisredsir · Post Post #103 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:48 pm

i also think everyone is town. i think datisi ginally got sick and tired of mafiascum.net and decided to go out with a bang and get banned by making this a bastard game where it's actually impossible for us to lose because any coalition will be a success

fireisredsir · Post Post #104 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:51 pm

In post 102, hellbooks wrote: propositions i have made for this game and their respective statuses

1. complimenting me about the library dimension - unfulfilled. clearly everyone hates this so much its unreal except for maybe tris
2. shea should use vp baltars avatar -
fulfilled!!!!
great success. led to one of the most scary and befuddling moments of mafia history.
3. skitter should use my avatar - un fulfilled. she hated this so much its un real
4. heal and vote same person like how people slap and kiss each other in movies - unfilfilled. everyone hated this a lot to an unreal extent
5. coalition should play a subgame of dethy - havent gotten to that point yet but i just bet youre not gonna do it huh. [extremely pissed off and guilting stare]

very inauspicious. will keep this in mind in the future when trying to get my mislims through . hmph! Bye.

1. i felt too guilty about the fact that i immediately skipped down to the spoilers and opened them all before i went back up and read the part where you said that we should only open our own. i have done this every time you make a similar "only open one" post and i forget every time. my sincerest apologies

2. true

3. good luck with this one

4. ill consider it

5. this implies that we won't get a winning coalition and i firmly believe in our ability to do so (because datisi made it guaranteed)

fireisredsir · Post Post #105 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:52 pm

In post 103, fireisredsir wrote: i also think everyone is town. i think datisi ginally got sick and tired of mafiascum.net and decided to go out with a bang and get banned by making this a bastard game where it's actually impossible for us to lose because any coalition will be a success

ginally

fireisredsir · Post Post #106 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:55 pm

In post 79, hellbooks wrote: we should start voting and immediately also healing the same person the way movie characters slap and then kiss each other. does anyone know what im talking about with this

also, no. ive never seen anyone do this

i haven't seen a ton of movies

fireisredsir · Post Post #107 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:56 pm

HEAL: tris

fireisredsir · Post Post #110 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:59 pm

tris town

shea could be town

sheep could not be

isis also could not be but also could be

hellbooks i think may have thought up most of these posts before she even got her role pm

skitter is neutral

vp baltar is scum

fireisredsir · Post Post #112 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:00 pm

In post 109, tris wrote:
In post 101, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 71, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 52, Thestatusquo wrote: me and my goat are here and we are both scum with hellbooks.
this is me next leveling fireisred because I want to see how he reacts to it no one tell him.
i was so confused by the baltar pfp that i didn't even comprehend the post itself until just now when i went back to respond to this
i still don't comprehend that post

i believe he's saying it was a reference to early cheeky posts he made as scum in recent games

i shot him over one of them

fireisredsir · Post Post #113 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:00 pm

i do not know who the goat is though

fireisredsir · Post Post #115 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:01 pm

WAIT its a monty hall reference from that other game wow double reference

fireisredsir · Post Post #117 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:01 pm

can't believe i missed that on first pass. i must be scum

fireisredsir · Post Post #122 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:07 pm

last coalition i didn't make it into the coalition and it was kinda lonely and dark and cold out there

fireisredsir · Post Post #123 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:09 pm

i would recommend that we put me in the coalition because i am town and therefore we only need to find 4 town people to put in the coalition instead of 5

fireisredsir · Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:10 pm

not the most accurate isis impression ive ever heard. i give it a 3/10. needs more somewhat obscure cultural reference analogies

fireisredsir · Post Post #129 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:16 pm

In post 127, Thestatusquo wrote: I think one of the things that pinged me about mr fire is red is that his post about people's alignments felt like it was hedging in a way that was kinda self conscious. Like you're giving reads on page 5 I feel like town knows that's ridiculous and just sort of says shit but fires is all hedgy. Shea COULD be town. Sheep COULD not be.

And also like kinda vaguely well poisony for somewhat similar reasons "hellbooks i think may have thought up most of these posts before she even got her role pm" etc.

It's kind of similar to the posting in the last game and feels sorta distinct from his town game that I've observed in that regard.

i always hedge and im always self conscious

my page 5 reads are also better than my page 100 reads tbh so i don't really agree that making them is ridiculous

the hellbooks comment was to say that her posting was probably not alignment readable to me so far

fireisredsir · Post Post #132 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:21 pm

In post 130, hellbooks wrote:
In post 122, fireisredsir wrote: last coalition i didn't make it into the coalition and it was kinda lonely and dark and cold out there
fire if neither of us make it into the coalition i am going to literally generate such an overflowing excess of private inside jokes that all the coalition folks are gonna be sit there in silence and be like "oh..... turns out this wasnt the fun car." they're all gonna be too awks to pass the aux. and i bet they wont even be playing dethy in there.

i really hope you're mafia so that it is actually a good idea for people to exclude us from the coalition bc now im excited to not be in it

fireisredsir · Post Post #134 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:22 pm

one fun part of not being in the coalition is that you don't die early. wait did i say fun part. i meant excruciatingly painful part

fireisredsir · Post Post #136 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:22 pm

LET'S GOOOOO

fireisredsir · Post Post #139 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:25 pm

you're vp baltar though not isis

fireisredsir · Post Post #141 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:27 pm

i don't think that isis thinks along very many similar lines to you but i did actually also slightly side eye at that post so im not really arguing against you

fireisredsir · Post Post #143 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:28 pm

i think that isis could talk about how she's scum as scum and you could talk about how you're scum as scum but the two of you would do it in different ways and for very different reasons

maybe those differences are unimportant though

fireisredsir · Post Post #144 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:29 pm

hellbooks is actually town. this sucks now our outside the coalition fun car is suboptimal for winning the game

fireisredsir · Post Post #146 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:35 pm

lucky for you we're on page 6. my reads are AWFUL on page 6

fireisredsir · Post Post #147 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:42 pm

what if we all decide on a coalition as usual but don't actually submit it, and then we let the people in the coalition vote amongst themselves for one player who they think shouldn't be in the coalition, and one they think should be, and we make the swap. or alternatively they vote for no swap

i think this idea that i spent 30 seconds thinking about is optimal, actually

except it's better if the mafia don't know about it. so don't tell them we're doing it until it happens and then it'll be this big surprise and we'll catch them because they'll be the people going "huh???"

fireisredsir · Post Post #152 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:48 pm

on second thought my idea is bad. please ignore

unless you who is reading this are mafia, in which case this post is an attempt to deter you from thinking that we're following the plan, which we all secretly agreed to without you

fireisredsir · Post Post #153 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:49 pm

In post 151, hellbooks wrote:
In post 147, fireisredsir wrote: what if we all decide on a coalition as usual but don't actually submit it, and then we let the people in the coalition vote amongst themselves for one player who they think shouldn't be in the coalition, and one they think should be, and we make the swap. or alternatively they vote for no swap
YOOO This is such a good idea and maybe they could perform some kind of group activity that frames the way that votes are made? like perhaps we can give them all some sort of "role" and these roles can all kind of be like.... "investigative" but in subtly different ways? idk just a thought

NO WAIT HOW BOUT THIS HOW BOUT THIS ok so lets say we make a coalition and then datisi reveals one member who is not part of the coalition and then we choose to swap or not to swap and maybe goats are involved somehow? idk just a thought

yes yes these are excellent improvements thank you for your contributions

fireisredsir · Post Post #157 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:55 pm

In post 155, tris wrote:
In post 143, fireisredsir wrote: i think that isis could talk about how she's scum as scum and you could talk about how you're scum as scum but the two of you would do it in different ways and for very different reasons

maybe those differences are unimportant though
its not the saying she's scum part. that's like a really fun thing to say regardless of alignment. it's that as scum, the perspective of seeing someone and knowing they are town isn't remarkable. its such an inventive combination of thought patterns, that i don't think would occur to her as scum.

wait let me try it

im scum

wow you're right that was pretty fun. hm

im scum!

cool. neat. nice

im scum!!!

fireisredsir · Post Post #158 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:56 pm

thats a fair point tho i was more just responding to the part of the post that i thought shea was talking about

fireisredsir · Post Post #165 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:01 pm

this is especially funny bc i literally work in a library

fireisredsir · Post Post #166 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:03 pm

whoever gets post 457 has to make all the instances of the same letter a different font size

fireisredsir · Post Post #168 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:06 pm

everyone ignores them anyway

fireisredsir · Post Post #169 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:08 pm

also that was a reference for specifically both of you that ive just realized you might not actually get. but trust me it's very topical

fireisredsir · Post Post #172 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:10 pm

georgebailey

fireisredsir · Post Post #177 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:26 pm

recycling jokes is the only way i know how to be funny

i have an astounding lack of originality

fireisredsir · Post Post #186 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:06 pm

it actually is more indicative of scum me in general but i like all of you people and coalition is a fun setup

fireisredsir · Post Post #187 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:06 pm

hi ari!

fireisredsir · Post Post #190 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:07 pm

In post 183, sheepsaysmeep wrote: shea's "fire is scummy for the iffy 'could' language" reminds me of the meh-pushes I found scummy last time

+ the vibe when he was stating he disliked certain posts most recently just feels kinda familiar of wolfgame

idk

this is semi-forced

yea i don't really agree i think his early pushes in the previous game had a really different vibe to them

fireisredsir · Post Post #194 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:09 pm

In post 189, skitter30 wrote:
In post 184, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I had the thought that fire seeming so excited is probably more likely scum!fire and if that's correct that could be really funny
I had the exact opposite thought but apparently this is Mistaken >.>

i am not actually sure if you've played with me scum but i think you always townreading me when i was excited as town was part of what made me realize i should push that energy when scum lol

playing scum is generally much more exciting to me tho except for sometimes replacing into a town slot can be really fun

fireisredsir · Post Post #195 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:10 pm

In post 191, Aristeia wrote: hi fire! I am glad you are excited pls carry me to a win

no you carry me

fireisredsir · Post Post #197 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:11 pm

In post 182, Aristeia wrote: maybe i forgot how to scumhunt

luckily you only have to townhunt

fireisredsir · Post Post #198 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:11 pm

In post 196, Aristeia wrote:
In post 195, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 191, Aristeia wrote: hi fire! I am glad you are excited pls carry me to a win
no you carry me
I am a fragile flower

ok but same

fireisredsir · Post Post #201 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:15 pm

i was just thinking if only datisi was here, he's probably strong enough to carry us both

fireisredsir · Post Post #203 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:19 pm

ari probably arrived to the party slightly late because she was busy flirting with datisi in the scum pt and forgot to post in main

fireisredsir · Post Post #223 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:26 pm

In post 207, Isis wrote:
In post 125, fireisredsir wrote: not the most accurate isis impression ive ever heard. i give it a 3/10. needs more somewhat obscure cultural reference analogies
Ahh I think those only appear on my main
Wait how would you know we've never played

ive read a few games that you've been in! also i think you just do that in general outside of mafia games as well

fireisredsir · Post Post #224 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:27 pm

In post 214, Isis wrote: Tbqh skitter does not have mate in seven setup so shes probably town

In post 215, Isis wrote: Sry I mean like skitter does not have bottled tornado on an upgraded card prepared against Time Eater before the act 3 midpoint whereas as scum she definitely would do you understand

both work imo

fireisredsir · Post Post #227 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:29 pm

In post 206, Isis wrote: I think fire is scummy
I got mad IIoA vibes from observing that hellbooks probably made her jokes before reading her role pm

i thought this was a joke but then you later called me scummy again

was this not a joke

fireisredsir · Post Post #233 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:33 pm

i think she could still make that statement even if she thought it was a joke

fireisredsir · Post Post #242 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:37 pm

im not sure how commenting on hellbooks making jokes up in advance is iioa in a page five post where im giving thoughts on everyone

like yea that is definitely I but what am i supposed to A io the I

fireisredsir · Post Post #244 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:39 pm

but then my list would talk about everyone except hellbooks and hellbooks would feel left out and i don't want her to be sad

fireisredsir · Post Post #245 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:42 pm

i guess i could have said "all of hellbooks jokes and ideas were great and i endorse and appreciate them" and that would have made her happy

but i wanted to talk about why i didn't feel any alignment thoughts on her yet since it was an alignment thoughts post

fireisredsir · Post Post #247 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:46 pm

the bulge is extremely scummy

fireisredsir · Post Post #250 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:48 pm

not if we coalition correctly really quickly

fireisredsir · Post Post #252 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:49 pm

In post 236, sheepsaysmeep wrote: tbh like

I feel like I can be towny enough to merit a place in the coalition

but that almost feels like a technically wrong inclusion because my strength as scum is insanely towny d1's

if that makes sense

i think thats probably true for several people here but i also think that we as a group are probably capable of aiming for the next level of read beyond just surface level towny

fireisredsir · Post Post #254 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:52 pm

this is your year

fireisredsir · Post Post #257 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:57 pm

In post 255, hellbooks wrote: not me spendinf like 3 pages trying to pocket fireisredsir and realizing that i got pocketed by fireisredsir

i would never....

fireisredsir · Post Post #262 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:05 pm

im probably coalitioning people that i think i can read which is really unlucky for bulge but likely inevitable

fireisredsir · Post Post #263 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:05 pm

In post 261, Isis wrote: im scum in this game but im not scum in real life

im the opposite

fireisredsir · Post Post #265 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:08 pm

sorry, my bad

fireisredsir · Post Post #268 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:26 pm

i really liked hellbooks' interspersing reads and little game relevant "aha i noticed something" moments (including one that involved going and finding a post from another game) while also spamming lots of fun posts. it felt really good as it was happening live

that said i have no idea what she looks like as scum i think she's probably just always town

fireisredsir · Post Post #269 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:28 pm

i meant "always town" in the "every game she plays she's town" way and not in the "in the multiverse of this specific game she is town in every universe" way

fireisredsir · Post Post #283 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:05 pm

i think people have engaged with most of your thoughts

fireisredsir · Post Post #284 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:06 pm

HEAL: hellbooks

fireisredsir · Post Post #286 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:09 pm

which thoughts are you thinking of when you think they have not been evaluated or taken seriously enough?

fireisredsir · Post Post #289 (isolation #64) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:16 pm

i am interested in if it is a real thought you had because last game as scum you made a post that i felt was kinda similar victim-y vibes of "everyone is treating me like x" and it was made up and you ignored me when i tried to ask you for specifics

im aware that you make posts like that all the time regardless of alignment but i think they're more likely to come from a real place of feeling when you're town

fireisredsir · Post Post #290 (isolation #65) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:18 pm

im not gonna like litigate whether your feelings of engagement with the posts are valid or whatever im just wondering where the thought is coming from for you

fireisredsir · Post Post #293 (isolation #66) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:23 pm

In post 291, Thestatusquo wrote: I think actually what I'm feeling is that everyone in this game is really good friends with each other and I'm kinda like the metaphorical third wheel in this player list to be honest and I do not have a lot of confidence that I can break through that rather than any specific thought.

It's a vibe.

I think that reasoning is a horrible way to read me but you do you.

appreciate the genuine answer

fireisredsir · Post Post #295 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 pm

this game is undoubtedly bound to be a somewhat vibey social one for anyone who feels like participating in that but when it comes to the actual mafia reads and bits like that i will still be taking everyone's thoughts seriously and engaging with them and trying to solve the game

fireisredsir · Post Post #296 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:29 pm

In post 292, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 289, fireisredsir wrote: i am interested in if it is a real thought you had because last game as scum you made a post that i felt was kinda similar victim-y vibes of "everyone is treating me like x" and it was made up and you ignored me when i tried to ask you for specifics

im aware that you make posts like that all the time regardless of alignment but i think they're more likely to come from a real place of feeling when you're town
relevant to this post, I basically thought "these feel like posts shea made as wolf except much more emotionally town" so I guess I think he's towning if the last line is factual that caught my eye

i think so too

HEAL: thestatusquo

fireisredsir · Post Post #303 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:41 pm

In post 300, Isis wrote: Has anyone played with sheep more recently I think this is protown for him

ive played a couple games in a row with sheep now + read one or two others and i am leaning slightly town but not particularly confident yet

fireisredsir · Post Post #332 (isolation #70) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:41 am

i think this is the most ive ever been scumread in a game where i couldn't blame it on being a replacement. kinda weird

fireisredsir · Post Post #342 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:13 am

im not putting ari in the coalition, it isn't because she's scum tho, it's because i want her to be in the fun car with us

fireisredsir · Post Post #347 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:24 am

In post 343, Aristeia wrote:
In post 342, fireisredsir wrote: im not putting ari in the coalition, it isn't because she's scum tho, it's because i want her to be in the fun car with us
<3

whos in the fun car rn for you?

unfortunately hellbooks is a key factor of the fun can but i think she's town

isis is fun and she can come along i think

i feel vaguely alright on bulge so far but due to unfamiliarity i might let him join us which is a little unfair

the other candidates that i don't townread that much yet but i otherwise feel mostly neutral on are sheep and skitter. between the two id have skitter with us i think, so far. she can probably drive, she seems responsible

fireisredsir · Post Post #349 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:26 am

the fun can

i think im getting worse at not checking for autocorrect mistakes

fireisredsir · Post Post #350 (isolation #74) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:27 am

In post 348, Aristeia wrote:
In post 347, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 343, Aristeia wrote:
In post 342, fireisredsir wrote: im not putting ari in the coalition, it isn't because she's scum tho, it's because i want her to be in the fun car with us
<3

whos in the fun car rn for you?
unfortunately hellbooks is a key factor of the fun can but i think she's town

isis is fun and she can come along i think

i feel vaguely alright on bulge so far but due to unfamiliarity i might let him join us which is a little unfair

the other candidates that i don't townread that much yet but i otherwise feel mostly neutral on are sheep and skitter. between the two id have skitter with us i think, so far. she can probably drive, she seems responsible
I actually like that ! skitter/ari/fire/shea would be such a fun road trip

it would be an interesting time for sure

im confused where you got that grouping from though because i don't think it was my post

fireisredsir · Post Post #354 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:30 am

no i townread shea

my coalition rn is tris/hellbooks/shea

fireisredsir · Post Post #358 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:34 am

im too shy to sing in front of people :<

fireisredsir · Post Post #374 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:45 am

shea seems like he would sing karaoke i think there was a comment to that effect at some point

fireisredsir · Post Post #421 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:59 am

In post 419, sheepsaysmeep wrote: god if we dont win this coalition thingy. I dod not sign up to play normal fuckin 7v2 micro

the coalition forming process and also it just existing in general as something that has a scum in it is some decent amount of info

fireisredsir · Post Post #430 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:21 am

favoring fun coalition acronyms is difficult when i don't townread either of the two vowels

fireisredsir · Post Post #435 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:35 am

In post 433, hellbooks wrote: skitz + helly + isis + tris + sheep lets go SHITS COAL!!!!

id actually potentially vote for shits and giggles

fireisredsir · Post Post #443 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:20 am

why no

fireisredsir · Post Post #446 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:30 am

i don't know why you react this way so often it really confuses me. im not trying to be unreasonable and im sorry if me asking you things or speaking to you upsets you but im not really sure how else to play the game

if you say you scumread two people and then say no to a coalition that doesn't include those two people i think it is like very reasonable to want to probe into that and see why? you just gave a list of reads and nowhere in it was anything that indicates why you'd say no to that coalition. i was curious why you said no so i asked

it's not that i think 'scum shea will answer this way and town shea will answer this way' i literally just want to know more of your thoughts and understand your mindset and how you are viewing the game

fireisredsir · Post Post #451 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:45 am

a) yes. i never said you only scumread two people. your post only lists two and so if there's another i was curious who it was. hence the question

b) you gave a list. it was a list composed of reads. none of those reads gave an indication that you would disagree with the coalition. hence the question

c) it felt like you were taking what i thought was a really basic question of "elaborate on that please" as a personal attack and refusing to answer it for some reason. im sorry if i read too much emotion into it but i do feel that a lot from you

fireisredsir · Post Post #452 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:48 am

In post 450, Thestatusquo wrote: Like thats another reason why that question rubs me the wrong way because it feels like you've displayed no inclination whatsoever to put in any work to actually figure out what the right coalition of names should be to the point where your most substantive contribution to that discourse is mainly just saying "oh I'd vote for this as a joke" but then you want to get in the weeds about my coalition thoughts in particular all of a sudden? Nah, b. It's busy work. You don't actually care about the answer.

if you have issues or questions about my reads you are welcome to ask about them? im confused

i don't know why me having fun and not being super serious mode so far means that it is not okay for me to ask questions of people in order to get a better read on the game

fireisredsir · Post Post #454 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:51 am

In post 449, Thestatusquo wrote: I also feel like the way you're approaching the whole coalition building process is incredibly scummy. It feels like you're not taking it seriously and you want to just pass it off like oh haha I'll vote for whatever when I think town you would be much more interested in buckling down and actually considering whether that coalition you just said "I would potentially vote for shits and giggles" is a good one or not.

But I'm seeing literally zero thought process like that from you.

the coalition name as provided by hellbooks is shits. i attached giggles to that bc i thought it was funny and it made a grammatically confusing sentence which i also thought was funny. i did not mean that i would vote for it as a joke

the inclusion in that coalition which i have the most issue with is isis but i still would probably vote for it at the end of the day bc i don't feel like im making it in and so ill have to make some compromises somewhere and i don't really have that confident of a read on isis anyway

so my reaction to seeing that coalition was "huh that's surprisingly not bad actually and i would not be surprised if that's one that wins, and i wouldn't mind if it did"

fireisredsir · Post Post #455 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:51 am

In post 453, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 451, fireisredsir wrote: c) it felt like you were taking what i thought was a really basic question of "elaborate on that please" as a personal attack and refusing to answer it for some reason. im sorry if i read too much emotion into it but i do feel that a lot from you
This is in your head, friend.

I'm just playing mafia. Truly.

ok ty. i will try not to take things that way

fireisredsir · Post Post #457 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:53 am

but it wouldn't it be more fun if you're in the fun car with me and ari?!

fireisredsir · Post Post #460 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:03 am

i don't really ever fight for myself. i will primarily vote for coalitions that have me in them but i assume those won't win so i am anticipating having to compromise

fireisredsir · Post Post #461 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:04 am

in the previous coalition game i think it was a p similar situation and i voted for a coalition that didn't have me in it

fireisredsir · Post Post #464 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:12 am

on further reflection i am worried about being too confrontational however this has nothing to do with my alignment

fireisredsir · Post Post #467 (isolation #91) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:58 am

i don't think that you two are the scumteam sadly

fireisredsir · Post Post #469 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:05 pm

i don't think my reads are stable enough yet for me to be in a place where im guessing at teams

fireisredsir · Post Post #470 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:12 pm

but guessing at teams is fun so now im thinking about it

i think if you're scum then there's a bunch of possibilities. isis is maybe the too easy answer

one team that popped into my head was skitter/tris bc i think skitter seeming somewhat resigned to being outside was surprising to me. i think she wouldn't do that as scum with very many people though but if it was anyone i think it would be if she was with a consensus townread? i don't really actively scumread either of these tho

bulge could also be scum with basically anyone

sheep idk lol

isis i think if scum just wants to go in the coalition so maybe that is motivated by being with someone expected not to make it like bulge or someone kinda content to be left out like skitter or you. but i think skitter would want to push a little harder there bc i don't think isis is a lock to make it in rn

fireisredsir · Post Post #474 (isolation #94) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:24 pm

somehow im still confused every time how baltar found his way into this game

fireisredsir · Post Post #523 (isolation #95) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:37 pm

In post 517, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 515, skitter30 wrote:
In post 441, Thestatusquo wrote: I don't really think tris has done much of anything alignment indicative at all.
i think she has a harder time vibing in real time if scum
And...she has...done that? this game?????

Are you even reading this game?

i think she was the towniest person in the early pages yes

fireisredsir · Post Post #529 (isolation #96) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:40 pm

i think the fun car is starting to sound like the i hide in the back seat stressed out car

fireisredsir · Post Post #537 (isolation #97) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:43 pm

In post 531, skitter30 wrote:
In post 507, tris wrote:
In post 501, skitter30 wrote:
In post 379, tris wrote:why?
it's more 227 than 242 alone; 227 feels like scum who are annoyed they're being sr for a wrong/bad/silly reason
that just seems like normal fire behavior to me
idk it rubbed me the wrong way
i'm right now mentally debating if shea/fire makes sense as scum theater
i'm leaning towards no but i sr both so this poses a problem

probably just leave both out of the coalition

if it helps (probably not) my thought process there was more along the lines of "that doesn't really make any sense as a read to me so wait why is isis treating it as a basis for one"

i feel like iioa kinda clearly doesn't apply there so i don't see why it's scummy to question that reason

fireisredsir · Post Post #538 (isolation #98) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:43 pm

i really do not think the scumteam is skitter and ari

fireisredsir · Post Post #545 (isolation #99) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:45 pm

popcorn is a nice snack

fireisredsir · Post Post #548 (isolation #100) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:46 pm

In post 543, skitter30 wrote:
In post 537, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 531, skitter30 wrote:
In post 507, tris wrote:
In post 501, skitter30 wrote:
In post 379, tris wrote:why?
it's more 227 than 242 alone; 227 feels like scum who are annoyed they're being sr for a wrong/bad/silly reason
that just seems like normal fire behavior to me
idk it rubbed me the wrong way
i'm right now mentally debating if shea/fire makes sense as scum theater
i'm leaning towards no but i sr both so this poses a problem

probably just leave both out of the coalition
if it helps (probably not) my thought process there was more along the lines of "that doesn't really make any sense as a read to me so wait why is isis treating it as a basis for one"

i feel like iioa kinda clearly doesn't apply there so i don't see why it's scummy to question that reason
right, that's my point - it seemed like a joke, why did you care abt the reason

it seemed like a joke to me on first read and then she made a statement that implied it wasn't a joke so i asked to clarify

in her further explanation she wasn't treating it as a joke

fireisredsir · Post Post #550 (isolation #101) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:47 pm

In post 542, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 538, fireisredsir wrote: i really do not think the scumteam is skitter and ari
I am very interested in hearing why if you have a moment.

i think both of them are content to be left out of the coalition and i think they genuinely mean it and are aware that it is actually fairly likely to happen at this moment

fireisredsir · Post Post #554 (isolation #102) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:49 pm

i think ari is making sense here (not necessarily in an alignment indicative way. could potentially be making sense as scum) but i think shea is still town

skitter posting is also fine rn imo

fireisredsir · Post Post #557 (isolation #103) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:53 pm

my weakest townread is sheep i think

fireisredsir · Post Post #563 (isolation #104) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:01 pm

i think that post is reasonable logic if you start from the position of shea being scum however i think shea is town

fireisredsir · Post Post #567 (isolation #105) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 565, Aristeia wrote:
In post 563, fireisredsir wrote: i think that post is reasonable logic if you start from the position of shea being scum however i think shea is town
I don't think its reasonable for a town player to lockscum someone without presenting a thought process and I would be disappointed if he was actually town and played this way

i think he does probably have a thought process but is being obstinant/indignant bc he's like that

maybe im giving him too much benefit of the doubt idk

but he puts a priority on imitating his towngame (at the cost of other things at times) and i don't think that he thinks he plays like this as town even if he does

it's like fair to scumread him over it i think but i just don't really think he is

fireisredsir · Post Post #593 (isolation #106) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:08 am

i am interested in sheep and bulge thoughts

fireisredsir · Post Post #597 (isolation #107) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:14 am

i think its basically what shea said earlier where if scum sees everyone townreading someone they often just kinda give up and are like ok well they're town and it TMIs them in a way

while if everyone townreads scum then scum are sometimes hesitant to go along with it bc they know everyone is wrong

i think its potentially less applicable in a micro since there'd only be one other scum if tris is scum and that's believably possible

fireisredsir · Post Post #598 (isolation #108) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:15 am

In post 595, Isis wrote: tris is either town this game or wins this game as a reward for expanding her scumrange

hey this is exactly how i lost to std in the last coalition game i played

fireisredsir · Post Post #601 (isolation #109) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:18 am

i have no experience with scum hellbooks but im choosing to believe this isn't it

fireisredsir · Post Post #607 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:24 am

In post 603, Isis wrote: Hellbooks hasn't rly said anything game related and I feel like comfort meming in thread most powerfully clears a slot when it's like dovetailing and alternating with content, even minimal content

i am townreading her because i felt she did dovetail so im confused

fireisredsir · Post Post #616 (isolation #111) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:35 am

i don't want to admit it

fireisredsir · Post Post #622 (isolation #112) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:03 am

i meant thoughts from sheep and bulge but appreciated regardless

fireisredsir · Post Post #625 (isolation #113) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:07 am

In post 620, tris wrote:
In post 607, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 603, Isis wrote: Hellbooks hasn't rly said anything game related and I feel like comfort meming in thread most powerfully clears a slot when it's like dovetailing and alternating with content, even minimal content
i am townreading her because i felt she did dovetail so im confused
what are the instances of game relalted content you've noticed from hellbooks?

142 even if it wasn't like that much of a point it still felt like breaking past just jokey/vibing and noticing something game relevant while also in the midst of the vibing

154 slightly less proactive to mostly just be like "i agree" but it does indicate real game thoughts happening

i guess thats actually basically it for what i townread her for lol maybe that is pretty minor

it felt good at the time tho

fireisredsir · Post Post #628 (isolation #114) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:17 am

In post 626, Isis wrote: I wish fire rolled town

this is the first time in a while that ive been glad to roll town

i think coalition is fun as town

fireisredsir · Post Post #635 (isolation #115) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:30 am

playing scum with prism sounds both like fun and also pressure

fireisredsir · Post Post #671 (isolation #116) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:58 am

In post 166, fireisredsir wrote: whoever gets post 457 has to make all the instances of the same letter a different font size

In post 168, fireisredsir wrote: everyone ignores them anyway

In post 457, fireisredsir wrote: but it wouldn't it be more fun if you're in the fun car with me and ari?!

wow this is embarrassing

im part of the problem

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:03 am

sheep feels like he went into the back and forth with ari unarmed and was kind of off balance as a result but im not really sure that's scummy

it feels kind of honest

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:29 am

i can't find the game you're talking about

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:31 am

nvm found it

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:53 am

i got peer pressured into saying that i was scum cause all the cool kids said it was fun

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:57 am

that's so tragic

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:57 am

i think i feel that way with a lot of things tbh

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:00 pm

In post 724, Isis wrote: The thing about 138 is that the post tris towneead is either town lamist or scum lamist and Shea said itt he doesn't play lamist

my takeaway from the extended exchange was that shea scumread a different aspect of the post than the part that tris townread and neither of them really were about the post as a whole

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:03 pm

it seems likely to me that he would but i think its okay to leave him out of coalition esp if skitter agrees

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:04 pm

i had a thought yesterday when i was walking home that ari/sheep makes sense as a team and then forgot about it until right now

that would be a neat bit of theatre to get sheep into the coalition back there a few pages ago

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:05 pm

im not confident enough to fight for it and most people think im scum anyway so it probably wouldn't do anything if i did fight for it

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:06 pm

In post 745, Aristeia wrote:
In post 743, fireisredsir wrote: i had a thought yesterday when i was walking home that ari/sheep makes sense as a team and then forgot about it until right now

that would be a neat bit of theatre to get sheep into the coalition back there a few pages ago
that's like the biggest hangup I have with you actually - I think you know me well enough to know I pretty much never play scum this way lol

i don't really agree but im open to hearing what you think you wouldn't be doing

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:07 pm

i guess im supposed to know

i could try to guess if you'd like

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:13 pm

In post 754, Aristeia wrote: like maybe I'm overestimating how well you know me and that's fine

i think you wouldn't choose to be in the position that you're in right now but i think you didn't have a ton of choice in the matter? and it feels like you have made multiple attempts at changing the position of things in a way that i think could accomplish your goals if you were scum

being outside the coalition isn't even bad for you. i actually would expect it to be your preferred position as scum

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:16 pm

like right now all that matters to scum you is

1) have 1 scum in the coalition

2) have town in the coalition ready to be yeeted

and i think you are a pretty "accomplish the goals immediately in front of me through force of will" scum player

and for example if you are scum with sheep i think your fight to pull shea out of the coalition pulls a town out and bumps someone who was borderline up in to replace him, and i think sheep is in that range. it doesn't have to be sheep, that could apply to others as well, but he's the one i thought of

in general i just don't really see much about your play that is particularly counter to those goals so im not sure why you would expect me to think it's impossible that you would be scum here

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:19 pm

thats maybe easier but you entered the game on the back foot and people kind of pushed you out of the coalition pretty quickly

it's also vastly easier to direct which town get yeeted from outside the coalition which I think is something you would be good at and would do well similar to turing test

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:19 pm

In post 764, Aristeia wrote: I don't really think I would ever in a million years count on sheep to get into the coalition if I was teamed with sheep.[no offense sheep]

i believe in sheep!!

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:24 pm

In post 773, Aristeia wrote:
In post 766, fireisredsir wrote: thats maybe easier but you entered the game on the back foot and people kind of pushed you out of the coalition pretty quickly

it's also vastly easier to direct which town get yeeted from outside the coalition which I think is something you would be good at and would do well similar to turing test
it feels like you're really reaching for this explanation and I don't really think you believe it?

you don't gain thread influence by being outside the coalition and not being townread

thats maybe fair idk. it seemed like a not so bad place to be to me since there's no lim pressure and scum hunting happens in coalition first

i still don't think you were in control of how townread or not you were early on though. it just kinda happened

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:39 pm

In post 785, Aristeia wrote:
In post 781, fireisredsir wrote: thats maybe fair idk. it seemed like a not so bad place to be to me since there's no lim pressure and scum hunting happens in coalition first

i still don't think you were in control of how townread or not you were early on though. it just kinda happened
giving up a spot in the coalition as scum to avoid lim pressure on d1 is like terrible play and I don't think you actually think I play that way because I'm not really a game thrower tho I pretend to be sometimes to make Datisi worry.

i still think you're ignoring the part where i don't think you getting scumread and pushed out early was in your control

i think if you're scum you made do with the position you were given

from there i think hard fighting and clawing your own way into the coalition isn't really likely to even work or be good for the team long term

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:40 pm

like by that argument wouldn't i also be playing terribly as scum by giving up a spot in the coalition?

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:42 pm

i don't really think it is either but i thought it would be neat

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:48 pm

i don't really think he is but okay

i think either of us could equally easily be paired with someone who is more comfortably in the coalition so this all seems sort of silly to me

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:54 pm

In post 808, skitter30 wrote: so scum!ari is choosing to pick a fight with town!shea to remove him from the coalition
in order to have his partner there instead?

?

i'm not sure how much sense that makes tbh, especially given how fluid the coalition is rn
this would make more sense to me if we were closer to coming to a consensus and ari was worried abt no scum being in it; i don't think we've reached 'worry' stage for scum yet

also i think ari would try to get into the coalition instead of sheep

also why is the target shea

if you meant her partner, i mean its a possibility yes

thats what i thought when i saw the fight with shea and the insistence that he not be put in the coalition. sheep was just an example bc i felt like he was borderline at the time and got bumped up to being more included shortly after

i don't know why shea, i think he's probably one of the ones that's easier to pull out of the coalition here due to him being a little prickly and not as vibey as the general thread, but its also possible she just saw an opportunity and took what was there

my point was just that for a scum outside the coalition, insisting on having 2 town there with you makes the chance of your scum partner making it really really high, even if they arent in the worrying stage, so doing that would be a good way to accomplish her scum goals

i am not like entirely confident this is what happened she just asked me to explain what i thought she would be doing if she were scum and i did

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:56 pm

In post 812, Aristeia wrote: @Fire

here's what I'm thinking rn;

you and shea could be

A)scum/town[you're trying to make me double down on my shea misread]
B)scum/scum[you're a scum team]
C)town/town[your read shea correctly]
D)town/scum[you misread shea]

I'm thinking maybe the best play is to just coalition shea and guillotine him if the coalition fails because:

world(a) we might just win if your partner isn't townread?
world(b) we can kill shea and then kill you next and we win.
world(c) this one is rough if one of the scum are inside coalition because shea might get mischopped and then f7 will be rough but at least I can trust you maybe?
world(d) you're going after we kill shea but that's on you for misreading him.

i mean if skitter scumreads shea too then id kinda rather keep him out

i think its somewhat unlikely you're both scum coordinating to specifically keep out shea, and i probably trust the reads of whichever of you is town more than my own

fireisredsir · Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:58 pm

putting me and shea in the coalition seems ???????

fireisredsir · Post Post #822 (isolation #141) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:00 pm

In post 819, skitter30 wrote: like i don't know if ari goes out on a limb here to pick out particularly shea
i dont' think that's necessary from scum!ari's perspective

what do you think scum ari would do?

fireisredsir · Post Post #824 (isolation #142) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:02 pm

In post 821, Aristeia wrote:
In post 818, fireisredsir wrote: putting me and shea in the coalition seems ???????
I think you're both scum but I recognize that I can be incredibly wrong in my reads so I want to give you two the chance to pick three top townreads and win the game

if the coalition fails I get to kill you both.

it seems like a fair offer to me?

i would basically never bet a game on me being right i think you know this lol

fireisredsir · Post Post #828 (isolation #143) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:04 pm

i mean i could try id probably pick hellbooks/tris and id have to think about the 3rd

but i very much would not want that to actually be the direction the game goes

fireisredsir · Post Post #829 (isolation #144) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:05 pm

im not even very confident on hellbooks idk

fireisredsir · Post Post #831 (isolation #145) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:07 pm

fireisredsir · Post Post #835 (isolation #146) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm

you are ignoring the context of the entire game surrounding us and the fact that i value other people's opinions and care far more about coordination and cooperation than about myself being right

if people decide that they townread me and shea and think that putting us in the coalition is the best chance of a winning one then i am obviously happy with that

if people decide that im scum and put me outside the coalition then that's also okay

if you ask whether i want to put myself and shea in the coalition despite most people wanting us (or at least me?) out of it and also i have to decide who is town and put my own choices over other people's then your answer is extremely no i do not want that at all that sounds awful

fireisredsir · Post Post #836 (isolation #147) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:12 pm

i am not the one picking the coalition unilaterally why are you framing it as if i am

fireisredsir · Post Post #840 (isolation #148) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:17 pm

In post 839, Aristeia wrote: I'm not framing anything I'm challenging you to see if you want to put your life behind your reads.

and what does me not wanting to tell you?

fireisredsir · Post Post #843 (isolation #149) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:19 pm

have you literally ever seen me be willing to put my life behind my reads

let alone on a d1 where most of the game has been social and vibey

fireisredsir · Post Post #844 (isolation #150) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:20 pm

i am not confident and having responsibility makes me want to throw up lmao

fireisredsir · Post Post #845 (isolation #151) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:20 pm

idk why you would expect me to agree to that as town it makes no sense to me

fireisredsir · Post Post #849 (isolation #152) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:26 pm

In post 847, Aristeia wrote:
In post 843, fireisredsir wrote: have you literally ever seen me be willing to put my life behind my reads

let alone on a d1 where most of the game has been social and vibey
no you're more of a in the background player as both alignments - I'm trying to force you into the light so it won't be as easy for you to evade.

ok well i don't want to

fireisredsir · Post Post #853 (isolation #153) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:30 pm

me considering possible scumteams means that i must be willing to be the one who solo decides the coalition

fireisredsir · Post Post #858 (isolation #154) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:38 pm

In post 470, fireisredsir wrote: but guessing at teams is fun so now im thinking about it

i think if you're scum then there's a bunch of possibilities. isis is maybe the too easy answer

one team that popped into my head was skitter/tris bc i think skitter seeming somewhat resigned to being outside was surprising to me. i think she wouldn't do that as scum with very many people though but if it was anyone i think it would be if she was with a consensus townread? i don't really actively scumread either of these tho

bulge could also be scum with basically anyone

sheep idk lol

isis i think if scum just wants to go in the coalition so maybe that is motivated by being with someone expected not to make it like bulge or someone kinda content to be left out like skitter or you. but i think skitter would want to push a little harder there bc i don't think isis is a lock to make it in rn

fireisredsir · Post Post #859 (isolation #155) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:39 pm

i haven't really talked about bulge because he isn't here but i have definitely been considering worlds where he is just scum

fireisredsir · Post Post #863 (isolation #156) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:09 pm

In post 861, Aristeia wrote: maybe I'm just taking this too seriously sorry fire

its ok to take it seriously, i would also like to find scum

i just don't really feel like i have successfully done that yet and i don't know why you would expect me to have confidence in my reads here

fireisredsir · Post Post #864 (isolation #157) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:09 pm

In post 862, tris wrote: why does no one else townread fire

im threadspewed scum

fireisredsir · Post Post #869 (isolation #158) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:26 pm

i thought you were saying you scumread me with that post tbh

fireisredsir · Post Post #917 (isolation #159) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:21 am

In post 907, skitter30 wrote:
In post 836, fireisredsir wrote: i am not the one picking the coalition unilaterally why are you framing it as if i am
Tbf i think at this stage it's more of a hypothetical approach than an actual one; i don't think it's actually happening

The point is that u don't seem super comfortable.with it in theory either

i think i was very explicitly clear about not being comfortable with it yes idk what you mean by "don't seem"

fireisredsir · Post Post #918 (isolation #160) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:22 am

i would like to find isis towny but i just don't maybe i need to read some meta

fireisredsir · Post Post #919 (isolation #161) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:25 am

In post 897, hellbooks wrote: not to get all wuthering heights about it but the bulge's singular and glaring absence from all of this has somehow captivates my mind as if his ghostly absence was speaking louder than any other player in the game. That is all to say ive considered healing him without any attached explanation like maybe 15+ times

this does feel a tiny bit forced to me which could be scummy or could be you just really wanted to talk about wuthering heights

fireisredsir · Post Post #920 (isolation #162) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:48 am

In post 874, sheepsaysmeep wrote: skitter is fine ish. vibes like villa games but I dont have any recollection of her wolf game. she is like "too not trying to be towny to be not town" (different from too wolfy to be wolf)

i had a similar thought. i am a little hesitant to townread skitter off this because i haven't really seen much that pings me either direction on her yet but also part of me kinda just believes it to be true

fireisredsir · Post Post #921 (isolation #163) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:52 am

In post 524, skitter30 wrote:
In post 459, Thestatusquo wrote: ari and fire both being like oh I wont be in the coalition is super sus because to me it feels like the kind of thing scum might do because they're worried about being seen as too confrontational whereas town would fight for their own inclusion.
i strongly disagree, sorry
i have personally on at least 2 occasions as town played coalition and not fought to be in it, and have accepted that i'm most likely not

pedit so many pedits >.>

this is a town skitter post more often than not i think

not really any reason for her primary approach here to be to try to change shea's mind here as scum, she could just attack him for it or for other things

i guess it could be to find allies in me and ari but it doesn't really feel like she's tried to do that either

fireisredsir · Post Post #922 (isolation #164) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:53 am

maybe she has been aligning herself with ari a bit but more idk what that accomplishes for her as scum

fireisredsir · Post Post #923 (isolation #165) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:56 am

In post 802, skitter30 wrote:
In post 714, Isis wrote:
In post 138, Thestatusquo wrote: I make posts like that as scum all the time.
This post was also strange because for sample-size-this-game it does not seem like how Shea plays mafia at all
sample-size-this-game that actually seems to me exactly how he plays mafia

this post was also funny which is +town

it might not actually be +town but im giving it points anyway

fireisredsir · Post Post #931 (isolation #166) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:55 am

In post 928, skitter30 wrote:
In post 917, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 907, skitter30 wrote:
In post 836, fireisredsir wrote: i am not the one picking the coalition unilaterally why are you framing it as if i am
Tbf i think at this stage it's more of a hypothetical approach than an actual one; i don't think it's actually happening

The point is that u don't seem super comfortable.with it in theory either
i think i was very explicitly clear about not being comfortable with it yes idk what you mean by "don't seem"
You're shying away from discussing it in a theoretical sense - if it isnt something that isnt actually happening idk why you're so opposed to discuss in theory

cause even the idea of it stressed me out

fireisredsir · Post Post #938 (isolation #167) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:34 am

In post 934, Aristeia wrote: sorry about stressing you out

its ok, if you're town who thinks im scum its your job! and if you're scum its your job to pretend like you're town doing your job

fireisredsir · Post Post #939 (isolation #168) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:36 am

sheep this coalition doesn't spell anything fun

it's not even all middle row keys so it can be a spam typing laugh thing

that said i would consider voting for it

fireisredsir · Post Post #942 (isolation #169) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:40 am

i like the names in it fairly well however it is somewhat challenging for me to imagine when i try to think about it the scum team being in the remaining names

however i think i would have that issue with any group of 4 names that were left out and im just afraid of committing to things

fireisredsir · Post Post #943 (isolation #170) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:42 am

bulge has 16 hours to post or be replaced so i would like to see what happens there before really moving forward since i think if i can sort that slot things maybe become easier

fireisredsir · Post Post #946 (isolation #171) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:10 am

no

i hammered 3 times in that serial killer game which honestly was outing i hate hammering it scares me

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:46 am

what if we put the fun car in the coalition

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:47 am

i think i probably want hellbooks out at this point tbh

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:48 am

all of my posts are townie bc i am town!!

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:49 am

its a nice hat

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:51 am

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:55 am

In post 1049, Thestatusquo wrote: sheepsaysmeep, The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisred

This coalition wins.

i don't want bulge in bc if ari is town his positioning behind you is p sketchy

im aware that you aren't considering ari town worlds rn but i am anyway

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:06 pm

who do you think is scum if the 0-2 is a 0

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:14 pm

really its the baltar pfp

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:16 pm

mayonnaise club?

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:19 pm

In post 1063, hellbooks wrote: Also i had a dream last night that we put the bulge in a coalition and town instantly lost bc his role was like "scum who if you put in the coalition town instantly loses"

so when you say "town instantly lost"...

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:20 pm

because you aren't getting limmed you're getting thrown in the fun car

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:30 pm

In post 1097, hellbooks wrote: I feel like youve said ten opinions about shea in the past two pages and theyve all been slightly different

is this just an observation or is there subtext attached

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:30 pm

In post 1099, hellbooks wrote: Which is cool and good to be clear and dont let him accuse you of flailing

oh okay

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:36 pm

In post 1106, Isis wrote: Does anyone else feel intimidated by hellbooks having a colored name for site contributor and feel like you have to townread her I feel like my game is kinda skewed unfairly

i am intimidated by colored names

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:37 pm

i made a wish

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:56 pm

i don't really think the "prove that you've done things in this game" line of questioning is ever very productive idk what it's supposed to accomplish

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:58 pm

we're not limming people rn

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:58 pm

In post 1145, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1028, Aristeia wrote: i hate it when skitters right lol
indeed
i think in fire/shea if i had to pick one i'd go with fire-scum rn

what if you don't have to pick one

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:00 pm

having all three Ts in a coalition is a recipe for ugly

you can't do anything with that

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:05 pm

In post 1150, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 1142, fireisredsir wrote: i don't really think the "prove that you've done things in this game" line of questioning is ever very productive idk what it's supposed to accomplish
I'll ask you then, what stances other than saying you and I were scum and then immediately backing off of it has Ari taken this game.

She got in the weeds with you a bit about the theory of who should be in ones coalition but nothing alignment wise came of that

she submitted a coalition in 367

for a lot of the game she thought that you and me were scum together. i don't think she immediately backed off of that. it took quite a while for her read on me to develop into more of a townread, she was scumreading and pushing me most of the game

i believe she townread isis most? im not sure if that's true anymore if she thinks that me and you are town though. i sort of guessed thats what she didn't want to say but i could be totally off there

i don't think she's taken a ton of different stances but i think thats different from not doing anything at all

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:07 pm

i think sheep could very easily be scum here but i also think he proooobably isn't

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:08 pm

In post 1164, Thestatusquo wrote: I think her reads on you and me were extremely political and continue to be.

I think she has focused on my scum read of her to an almost comical degree and used it to avoid talking about the game to a large degree outside of specifically you me and her.

i don't see why she would be more motivated to not talk about the rest of the game if she were scum compared to if she were town

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:10 pm

im not even like sure if i townread ari. ive felt like she was scumposting for 90% of the game and its just recently that ive kind of doubted that

i just think the "you haven't done anything, prove you have" argument isn't gonna go anywhere nor is it a very good one

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:13 pm

In post 1172, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 1167, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1164, Thestatusquo wrote: I think her reads on you and me were extremely political and continue to be.

I think she has focused on my scum read of her to an almost comical degree and used it to avoid talking about the game to a large degree outside of specifically you me and her.
i don't see why she would be more motivated to not talk about the rest of the game if she were scum compared to if she were town
My claim is that she's not trying to solve the game. You don't see value in scum being able to hide their lack of solving in a large thread presence that ultimately isn't helping to solve the game? Really?

i think ari locks on to scumreads as town in a similar way to how she does here i don't think it's unusual for her

and i don't think it helps her very much as scum because she's making enemies and not making any friends

the only reason i thought it might have helped her was if she was trying to pull townies out of the coalition with her to ensure that her partner makes it in. that's the path where i think it's potentially useful. but it still isn't, like, that good

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:14 pm

In post 1176, Thestatusquo wrote: Ok but surely you see that was hyperbole and the point I'm making is more nuanced than that?

i think it didn't come across that way originally

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:20 pm

i think "you haven't made any contribution" and "name the things you've done" is a pretty substantially differently sounding approach than what i think is your more nuanced one which is more along the lines of:

ari isn't helping build the coalition by finding town and helping others find town, she's instead laser focused on her scumreads and fighting with them. because of that she doesn't have to really contribute to improving the general consensus reads of people as town, because that can be dangerous for scum if the town block up too much because they can just find each other and win the game in this format. if she focused on townreads instead, she'd only be helping town, especially from a position of being outside the coalition

and i think that's pretty fair tbh but i didn't really get that at all from your original posts

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 pm

so idk maybe ive changed my mind again by writing out what i think your case should be because i think its actually kinda convincing lmao

fireisredsir · Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:06 pm

i could read isis posts all day