Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[atsi]

Hello everyone!

VOTE: Ausuka

Not because of miller thing, I just do not like tomato.

[atsi]

No

[atsi]

Discrimination

[atsi]

Atsi r u an alt of someone i have played with?

Unlikely, unless we played on other website. Do I remind you of someone?

[atsi]

YESS I GOT THE BEST FRUIT EVER

I cc best fruit

[atsi]

YESS I GOT THE BEST FRUIT EVER

I cc best fruit

So you are a mango-pineapple?

I am best fruit, which is pineapple.

[atsi]

Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

[atsi]

I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.

[atsi]

Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

Was the vote in 30 a real vote, or rvs?
Trying to understand the timeline of how this scumread developed

I didn't have a good read at that point. Nothing that anyone else had said had stood out to me at that point, so a vote on her made sense to me. I had to reread the thread and think about it some more to arrive at my scumread.

[atsi]

why did you wait until now to say this?

My reads are never late, nor early. They arrive precisely when they are meant to.

[atsi]

I'm sorry but i have no desire to reveal my intentions to you so that you can just find a way to scumread them

I'm confused regarding this statement. So what you're saying is that explaining your reason for voting Infinity will make you look scummy?

[atsi]

if skitter is town then she has proved over the course of several games that she doesn't know how to read me at all. if she is scum then she already has it in her mind that she's going to be dismissive of my reasoning, whether it's finding a way to call it scummy or refusing to acknowledge anything townie about it. so yeah i don't really have any interest in proving my towniness to her

So you won't explain your reasoning, just because you think that skitter is either gonna call it scummy or not find it townie? If her read on you is usually wrong, then why do you seem to care so much about it?

[atsi]

VOTE: Night Shade

[atsi]

@skitter30 and I guess anyone else that's played with that half of the hydra before:

Would you say that behaviour is normal for them? I find it very anti-town, but maybe they are like this usually?

[atsi]

38 is a very strange post, why vote without pressure or intent to lim? That's basically "I want to vote but I want to not vote".

Eliminating someone that early seems like a terrible idea to me. More discussion time benefits town much more than it benefits scum.

[atsi]

(that's why I called it out as reckless in one of my posts)

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112 is a very strange post that pushes an interaction that could be TvT as SvS
(and not the more logical TvS)...

Why would TvS be more logical?

[atsi]

What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?

[atsi]

marcistar - townlean

Huh?? You pointed out one of their posts as very scummy, and I kinda agreed with you on that point. So where is this townlean coming from?

[atsi]

VOTE: DragonEater70

[atsi]

I have this slight anxiety about hammering people. I don't want to take responsibility for accidentally causing the elimination of a townie. You can see an example of this here (where I didn't hammer someone at E-1 an hour before time ran out). I also don't think I've ever hammered anyone on this site (okay I did once after I was bullied into it), so I kinda got an adrenaline rush when I lolhammered Lich and my response probably was out of proportion.

You said you knew there could be posts after the mod VC. If you're so reluctant to hammer people, voting before reading the thread makes even less sense.

VOTE: DragonEater70

[atsi]

I agree with the mass fruitclaim plan, but ask that DragonEater70 claims first since they are the most scummy. It gives scum more info to fake a fruit if they claim later.

[atsi]

i am 99.99% sure scum has fruit fakeclaims and this is amtitown but i don't care enough to argue

If fruits are unique and scum makes a fake fruitclaim, it gives town a chance to cc. So I think there is merit to this.

How would it be anti-town?

[atsi]

What do you mean by scum having fakeclaims?

[atsi]

like wouldnt it just be way easier to just regular hammer ? the guy already claimed vanilla townie and we're a day from deadline. I don't see the point of pulling the "oops my finger slipped" move.

Wasn't it like 3 days from deadline? Or am I misremembering.

[atsi]

Ok i would not have expected infinity to die here, i thought they were kinda scummy

Why did you think Infinity was scummy?

[atsi]

can we actually just go after skitter today

Why should we go for skitter when DragonEater is more scummy?

[atsi]

Why exactly am I scummy?

A town player would read the thread before voting.

[atsi]

I was like "oh this VC is from 6 PM yesterday and there's been no pages since then,

probably there were like 2 posts since VC so I won't check them

"

A town player would read the thread before voting.

I totally agree, but I made a mistake and

thought I've read everything there was to read

Why are you changing your story? After hammer you said you knew there were probably posts you hadn't read, and now you're saying you thought you had read everything?

[atsi]

Well if it's going to be night I might as well quickly write my other thoughts and continue avoiding my real life responsibilities

I don't think this and the following post is scum's reaction to lolhammering

Can you explain why you think scum would react differently?

[atsi]

dragon is mafia

[atsi]

Joking aside, I'm really not that confident in my reads. So my vote will be for the person that did something objectively scummy.

Marci: Very scummy d1, but seems less scummy now. The thing about claiming fruit made sense to me, but it's still leaning scum.
Ausuka: I don't buy the miller claim, and I don't get why so many people townread her for it.
Datisi: Leaning town. Most of the things he's saying sorta makes sense to me, which I can't really say for anyone else this game.
skitter/Aristeia: No opinion, nothing they've said has really given me any idea of what their alignment might be.

[atsi]

why is marci scum

i don't really feel it

Maybe it's because we're cult together but shrug the fruit thing felt genuine and like she doesn't realise how fakeclaims work

Yeah, fruit thing felt genuine but over all she's still scummy to me because of how she behaved on d1. She never voted for anyone, and seemed overly passive/coasty.

[atsi]

Am I the only person who thought this post looks really fake? Like, "no opinion" on Skitter? REALLY??? And the fact that these reads came just as they were being pressured for only scumreading me.

Why do you think I should have an opinion on skitter? Nothing has really stood out to me.

[atsi]

Don't you get any vibes or anything from reading her posts?

Not really? I don't understand her TRs on you and Ausuka, but I don't see anything scummy about them. And her Datisi SR seems to mostly be a metaread.

I think my reads are hot garbage this game
I don't even have a read on like half of the pl
And my confidence on any of the reads i do have is super low

I guess this kinda sticks out to me, since she seemed pretty confident when giving her reads. I guess she leans scum but not by much.

[atsi]

@atsi my feelings towards my reads have since changed

Which reads and how?

[atsi]

Like i'm not even pushing dats anymore ...
@atsi
I'm voting you

You gotta use the vote tags then, else it doesn't count.

[atsi]

@atsi my feelings towards my reads have since changed

Which reads and how?

I was v convinced dats was scum at daystart
I have since realized there's a decent chance that i al tunneled and am taking a step back towards reaasessing the pl as a whole, concentrating on you and marci who i don't have reads on
So saying i'm v confident in my reads when basically all if my posting in rhe last like three irl days is abt the exact opposite is not true in the present gamestate

(Similarly to what dats is complaining abt i've written a lot abt how i'm *not* confident in my reads rn so if you think i am you're either not reading, which is v possible, or you're asking this in bad faith)

Why do you say you don't have a read on marci? I thought you had a scumread?

[atsi]

I don't get why skitter seems so hesitant to sort marci as scum.

Marci is posting, but saying fuck all with their posts, aka "fluffposting." Isn't that usually a scumtell? I think the only post in this game where they actually said anything is the one asking people to fruitclaim.

[atsi]

I don't know if I have mentioned this already, but in case I didn't here it is:

dragon is scum

Maybe marci is too, but I'm not as sure about that.

[atsi]

VOTE: marcistar

[atsi]

i still think marci is more likely town than not but her last post is making me rapidly lose the last three molecules of giving a shit about this game that i had left

Is that just because you think skitter is scum and skitter is voting marci? Or is there actually something about marci's posts that you find towny?

[atsi]

I don't know if I have mentioned this already, but in case I didn't here it is:

dragon is scum

Maybe marci is too, but I'm not as sure about that.

Do you scumread anything about dragon except the hammer, atsi?

Not really. His reads feel kinda meh, but I don't really see anything scummy in them.

[atsi]

@atsi claim please

Nah

VOTE: atsi