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Miller?
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Is that real or an exaggeration?In post 20, Datisi wrote: i've randed scum like 50 times in a row, i believe it-
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I think this post gives me townvibes, so I like Skitter for now.In post 26, skitter30 wrote: Hello hello
I just watched the barbie movie and it was glorious
VOTE: dats
Ausuka's probably town
vla on fridays/saturdsay, etc
In post 38, Aristeia wrote: can one of the datisi voters unvote him so I can vote him without e-1ing him pls tyAm I allowed to like an interaction my slot was involved in? Because I find this interaction incredibly funny but also quite townie.
Oh okay because I was reading you as Black and your tone felt off. I will have to reread your posts now.In post 63, Night Shade wrote: Sure am.-
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In post 9, Night Shade wrote:Why would you not choose Datisi to go since he is physically incapable of rolling town?
In post 59, Night Shade wrote: Real talk though I understand the meta considerations re: ari's reaction to ausukas claim but the whole miller claim thing felt a little bit over the top to me.
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So I actually don't like these posts upon reread. Like they have this neutral sort of tone which at first I thought was typical of TSQ, and then I realized was the same tone he had in Team Mafia, when he was scum. (I don't think I recall playing a game with town!TSQ so this might definitely be a personality thing but for now I sus that)In post 61, Night Shade wrote: it was specifically the emotive anger part to me that felt a little bit like more than how ausuka would actually as town legitimately react.
In my mind ausuka isn't like some super gambit heavy player though so I guess I'll just tuck that thought away for later.
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Now this is a really weird take. Skitter's posts come from a pretty plain town mindset IMOIn post 84, Night Shade wrote: Nah I don't believe town skitter actually has these thoughts.-
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Well I normally eat dragons so you should be safe with me
I'm really sorry for the corniness but I HAD to say it-
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Sure.In post 211, Aristeia wrote:
can you elaborate on this?In post 206, DragonEater70 wrote:
Now this is a really weird take. Skitter's posts come from a pretty plain town mindset IMOIn post 84, Night Shade wrote: Nah I don't believe town skitter actually has these thoughts.
Basically, these posts:
Spoiler: quotes
All feel like they are coming from a perspective of someone who is trying to figure things out, and also, more importantly, THEY MAKE SENSE. Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself. So this is what I call a town mindset.
IDK how to explain it better than that. It's just the mindset that town people have and scum don't.-
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Also it feels good to be playing a Micro, I think the last micro I played was a few months ago (and I am not counting the newbie game I replaced into on D4 as scum). I just feel it's a lot easier to get good reads when there's a lower number of players.-
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Yeah but I was scum so it doesn't really count. What's your point though?In post 214, Datisi wrote:
have you, uh ever played with skitter beforeIn post 212, DragonEater70 wrote: Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself.-
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So you are a mango-pineapple?In post 217, atsi wrote:
I cc best fruitIn post 198, DragonEater70 wrote: YESS I GOT THE BEST FRUIT EVER-
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Before I repped in I quickly skimmed the thread to see I won't be repping into a slot at E-1 or something. One of the things I saw was talk about whether tomatoes were fruit or vegtable, so when Ausuka said to guess it clicked and made sense to me.In post 218, Night Shade wrote: How did you guess this so easily?
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I kinda get your viewpoint but that's not reallywhat I said. What I was saying was not that I tr'd her for self consistency, but for her takes being takes that I could easily have.In post 240, Datisi wrote:
my point is that saying "this person is town because i can follow their logic" is a godawful argument to make, doubly so when it's skitter you're talking about who's definitely a good enough player to keep her internal points consistentIn post 237, DragonEater70 wrote:
Yeah but I was scum so it doesn't really count. What's your point though?In post 214, Datisi wrote:
have you, uh ever played with skitter beforeIn post 212, DragonEater70 wrote: Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself.
like, in my mind i'm osculating between "dragon is town because that argument is so bad no way scum ever makes it" and "dragon is scum because he didn't even look at whether skitt's post make sense as scum or town motivation and townchucked her for being logical"
Like, scum often use forced/reachy/nonsensical reasoning to fake an SR (because they don't have a SENSIBLE reason to sr someone who they know is town), and that wasn't that.-
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Then I guess I'm not at your level yet because I don't see why this approach doesn't make sense to you.In post 259, Datisi wrote: i could tentatively agree that skitter's thoughts you quoted there "make sense" because sure there's nothing logically wrong with thinking "if shea is thinking ausuka is scum for being over the top, then he must be thinking she's fakeclaiming as well, therefore i can ask him about it" but the approach itself doesn't make sense to me as a play from an experienced player
I'm not saying Skitter is the pinnacle of scumhunting here and that her reads are god tier, but I don't see anything off about her play.
Honestly, not sure. Could you link me a scum game of Skitter? Then tomorrow I could read it and her posts here with a fresh pair of eyes and maybe I'll change my mind. Good night, btw.In post 272, Ausuka wrote: @dragon eater, how much pause does being told skitter is good at scum give your read here? You seem pretty convinced-
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When you out it that way, I can sort of see what you are getting at. But that wasn't really how I interpreted what Skitter said. Unless I'm missing something, Skitter attacked Night Shade for making a half-committed/flip-floppy (not the exact word but you get my point) read on Ausuka's reaction? Which is not what you are saying here.In post 274, Datisi wrote: because her implication that shea shouldve been thinking about "how likely is it that scumsuka makes the miller claim" when he said "ausukas reaction is a bit over the top" is Bad?
Also, you say that Scum!Skitter is very good and could easily fool me by making good, sensible pushes. Could you please direct me to a scum game of hers so I could actually read it?
The thing is I have not been "weakly defending" Skitter. I said she was pretty obvious town and have been voting the slot that voted her since I repped in. So your shading of me is really unwarranted here.In post 326, Datisi wrote: inb4 i'm about to get more shit for shading 2 slots at the same time or whatever but like
god the conversation with skitter about dragon feels so fucking bizarre to me. "weakly defending a scumread slot" is one of the basics of scumplay. dragon is doing nothing else towny otherwise. i really struggle to see skitter discard a whole read there just because "well if he was scum he would've pushed me on entrance". if there was some meta evidence to show that dragon is a hyperlazy scum player then maybe, but it doesn't seem like there is and i just don't see it
and, IRONICALLY, skitter's defense of dragon gives me "weakly defending a scumread slot" vibes
I tend to agree.In post 277, skitter30 wrote: Town marci-
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Hi guys sorry for disappearing but I'm back and better than ever!
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I think I already replied to this but like are you scumreading each of us for white knighting the other basically but in a weak way?In post 326, Datisi wrote: inb4 i'm about to get more shit for shading 2 slots at the same time or whatever but like
god the conversation with skitter about dragon feels so fucking bizarre to me. "weakly defending a scumread slot" is one of the basics of scumplay. dragon is doing nothing else towny otherwise. i really struggle to see skitter discard a whole read there just because "well if he was scum he would've pushed me on entrance". if there was some meta evidence to show that dragon is a hyperlazy scum player then maybe, but it doesn't seem like there is and i just don't see it
and, IRONICALLY, skitter's defense of dragon gives me "weakly defending a scumread slot" vibes
Well maybe I misunderstood you, because when you said "defend weakly" I interpreted it to mean "half hearted defense where the scum player doesn't actually intend the townie to not be elimmed". But it seems you actually meant "defense that doesn't convince other people" (since you said what I bolded above). So yeah obvously in that case my voting of Night Shade has nothing to do with it, but what I meant was basically that I was committing to the defense of Skitter because I thought she was townie, and voted the person who was attacking her. Does that make sense? IDK it probably doesn't.In post 331, Datisi wrote:
yeah sure, she did. that part's not great, but it's whatever. *then* she carried on with "well if you think that, then you also must think that ausuka would fakeclaim miller, and--" and i don't like that.In post 330, DragonEater70 wrote: Skitter attacked Night Shade for making a half-committed/flip-floppy (not the exact word but you get my point) read on Ausuka's reaction?
you can find her scumgames by going to her profile and looking at which threads she's posted in.
your defense of her is incredibly weak because "her takes are something i could have" and "they make sense" is incredibly weak reasoning that is not going to convince anyone she's town.
why do you think it's relevant to this conversation that you're voting the person who's voting skitter?
Also, just to clarify the "weak defense thing", do you basically scum read me for not having a convincing defense of Skitter? Or what? Do you want me to towncase Skitter more than I already have?
Okay I will look at your scum game in a bit.In post 332, skitter30 wrote: @dragon fwiw i'm generally considered to have a good scumgame, dats/night shade are generally making accurate statements here
I disagree. I would absolutely go for Skitter because she beat my ass when I was scum and I'm scared of her and I would not want to let her live if I were scum. Would it look oppurtunistic? Maybe. But I have a good track history of getting away with very opportunistic looking reads (though this happened when I was town so IDK if I could replicate my success as scum).In post 337, Ausuka wrote: I'm not really seeing the difference between this and how datisi usually sounds?
I also think it is generally more likely that scum dragon would defend skitter vs sheep the push, which seems like the sort of thing which scum players would intuitively avoid - something that could seem opportunistic and against a strong player - I'm not really sure why you think scum dragon doing this would be unlikely or why Datisi is scum for not agreeing with your take on that.
High five, I'm the same! (though it has gotten better with time. I think. I mean probably not actually, considering I got wagoned both in this game and in Weird Dreams on D1).In post 340, marcistar wrote:
just vibesIn post 322, Aristeia wrote: why is infinity town?
i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>
im not holding anything elements said against dragon eater since elements seems like the type of player i am!!! very vote baitey.In post 325, atsi wrote: I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.
I swear I do not remember quoting this but like I think this does make sense?In post 347, Aristeia wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned about watching you follow the hydra slot around because it feels like the easiest way for mafia!you to get a mislim early and probably how I would approach this micro in a town!shea/black world - just get on their good side and use them to run over townies.In post 329, Datisi wrote: VOTE: dragoneater
it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...
i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so
Y-2 or whatever
I don't think you understood what I said? I said that if it was a personality thing it would be NAI but I currently have no indication that it is a personality thing.In post 225, Infinity 324 wrote: this doesn't make sense, if it's a personality thing (which i think it is btw) of course he'd do the same thing as scum.
Thanks!In post 361, Infinity 324 wrote: @dragoneater this was a while ago but i really thought skitt was town here and she was scum (in a hydra)
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I kinda agree I think?In post 336, skitter30 wrote: I think I meant performative in the sense that you're using exaggerating
It makes me want to sr like all of your posts b/c they feel fake
Quick question: who are you currently scumreading? Either you haven't expressed it or I forgot.In post 340, marcistar wrote:
just vibesIn post 322, Aristeia wrote: why is infinity town?
i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>
im not holding anything elements said against dragon eater since elements seems like the type of player i am!!! very vote baitey.In post 325, atsi wrote: I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.
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My reads are never late, nor early. They arrive precisely when they are meant to.In post 327, Datisi wrote: why did you wait until now to say this?
I agree with your take that Infinity feels a bit performative here and also a bit later on.In post 344, Aristeia wrote:
I feel like infinity is more interested in becoming townread than they are on killing mafia.
some of the takes I liked initially feel somewhat performative on a re-read.
In particular this reflective stepback on your slot:
In post 88, Infinity 324 wrote: VOTE: datisi i can dig this
It feels towny and in character for skitt to be like "i think this is towny and you should too" or something adjacent to thatIn post 111, Infinity 324 wrote: also why as scum do we try to divert attention from a 1v1 that is probably just gonna draw more attention to itselfIn post 113, Infinity 324 wrote: why does everyone scumread dats it's making me doubt the read >_>
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Infinity placed the 3rd vote and then did this stepback after jousting with you a bit which is ?? to me
nobody else voted for you after infinity did - so what is causing their concern? it's not as if they voted you and then a bunch of people popped onto the wagon.
the only people that I can see in thread who expressed "suspicion" of you between infinity's vote and their stepback/pivot are skitter and myself. so if the concern is that there's mafia who is piling on after infinity voted already then why is infinity not trying to sort either myself or skitter?
this feels like they decided to step off your wagon already and just kind of made up an excuse to do it? I don't really find anything in your response to them very towny or difficult for scum datisi to replicate.In post 151, Infinity 324 wrote: UNVOTE: yeah that's kinda how we were expecting town!dats to respond. but also dats did you make anything of 107 having a lot more weirdness associated with skitt than shea? like I know you're voting skitt but it felt a bit weird that you didn't even mention it
we still pretty strongly believe that making a level 0 read and expecting other people to think the same way is in character for skitt
also @shea marci only has 5 posts
"infinity - i'm expecting you to have different thoughts as town lmao idk. it feels odd to me to not want to likw, idk think something about the argument and instead jump to someone else. diverting attention was probably the wrong word to use but like, if you're scum you yourself don't need to focus on the 1v1 whereas townyou would be more likely to have more extensive thoughts there"
like >??? you're basically telling infinity hi if you're town then you wouldn't do this you should do something else? like how is scum Datisi's response any different?
Actually this feels genuine enough to make me townread Datisi. Like I know there's barely any content here but I just really really like this post.In post 346, Datisi wrote: idk either
now that you said it i am interested in hearing what they found townie about my response
I don't like that you are basically admitting that you didn't even pay attention to what you were talking about.In post 355, Infinity 324 wrote: honestly i thought you meant ausuka was scumreading datisi before 97 and we skimmed ausuka's iso and believed you. "i also think datisi feels off" contributed to the feeling iirc.
VOTE: Infinity
Explain?In post 363, Infinity 324 wrote: it's a pretty weak scumlean. though i accept the criticism we've been cautious with our vote
VOTE: atsi
I'm honoredIn post 366, Night Shade wrote: Ok I'm gonna just multi-quote this on mobile and walk through it. I think DE70 is the scummiest person in the game
I'm sorry to hear that but it really happened. It was late at night, I saw the SirCakez post in the replacement thread, so I said "eh, why not, but lemmie just check the ISO of the slot I will be replacing into and like the last votecount to see that I won't be replacing into the D1 lim / a scumslot". So I didn't even bother to look at the first two pages, I just saw this post:In post 366, Night Shade wrote: This is very miniscule but I'm having a hard time believing DE70 skimmed through the thread, saw people talking about tomatoes, but didn't see Ausuka claim Miller. To me this is just content for the sake of content and I have a feeling DE70 knew Ausuka was a miller when he wrote this. If that's true then there's some dishonesty involved, but I can't prove it so admittedly this point isn't much
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And it made me realize that tomato would be a miller when I saw Ausuka's claim of a tomato.In post 366, Night Shade wrote: This has been touched on already but it also gives me informed vibes, especially the last sentence. DE70 has played enough Mafia to understand scum and town don't always operate on the same frequency or mindset. It feels really weird to be so confident in townskitter based on her having a "town mindset", as if scum aren't trying to mimic this in every game
So I really disagree with that take on me. I will never ever change my mind about town and scum having different mindsets. That's how scumhunting works. And the only way I ever get reads is by deciphering people's mindsets. You played with me on Newbie 2119, I scumread the hell out of Deltabreedy for their mindset.
I wish I could give a more recent example but I've rolled scum in my last 3 completed games so that sucks.
So you get pinged by the fact that I think a certain thing is scummy and then apparently doing it anyway? Because scum!me would do something I perceive as scummy?In post 366, Night Shade wrote: This pinged me because DE70's vote for Shea felt forced/reachy and it's ironic that DE is admitting this is how he believes scum operate
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Okay let me reread that thenIn post 425, Datisi wrote:
no, i'm scumreading skitter for other reasons, + her defense of you wasn't bad because it was *weak*, it was bad because it was utterly bonkers and i had no idea how she came to that conclusion so stronglyIn post 422, DragonEater70 wrote: I think I already replied to this but like are you scumreading each of us for white knighting the other basically but in a weak way?-
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Actually you know what.
I'll go read that Skitter game Infinity has linked and then I will reread that. Sounds good? Cool cool.-
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IDK how it got so late, it was like 19:40 just a few minutes ago and now it's 22:36.
I am going to sleep soon so won't finish the entire catchup right now, but I have looked at the game @Infinity has linked and these are my thoughts:
Yes, I can see that scum!Skitter is very logical, if by logical you mean "devoid of inconsistencies and logical fallacies". But I definitely did not feel that her push on Nacho D1 was sensible and came from a town viewpoint in the same way that he reads this game are.
Like maybe I'm biased because I already know she was scum in that game, but if I try to read her posts from that game then her reads and pushes there don't actually feel townie to me, they feel slightly more scummy than townie. She's definitely good at disguising it though.-
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Like, 85-90%?In post 452, Infinity 324 wrote: how confident is your skitt read
She hasn't done anything to make me locktown her, but her play is solid and I can't find anything I dislike about it.-
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You know reading this thing made me laugh so fucking hard because I wholeheartedly agree with you that it's fabricated and it's funny to me that you are acknowledging this.In post 463, TemporalLich wrote:
partially I'm not sure, partially deflection, mostly there because I was catching up and noticed that post was scummy and needed to comment on itIn post 462, atsi wrote: What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?
Uhhh now I don't know if I need to TR you for being observant and making sense, or SR you for backtracking on bad reads.
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Okay guys sorry for basically not posting yesterday, I have been rereading the entire thread and here are a few points I would like to make:
I kinda townread Marci. I randomly decided to meta-dive her and she feels in her town meta (but I admit I have not found scum games yet so this is pending further research work)
Also, I want to vote Temporal Lich for several reasons.
Like, I reread Skitter's posts and I can kinda see now why their posting could be seen as scummy, but I still think the way Shea pushed it didn't make sense and was more likely to come from scum than from town.
Then, this exchange:In post 316, Infinity 324 wrote:
i guess lean scum if i had to give a read? the tr on skitt felt a bit surface level and the vote on your slot didn't make a lot of sense to me.In post 314, Night Shade wrote: What do you think of DragonEater?
not really anything new? we still feel like skitt being like "scum probably doesn't claim miller like that and you should think that too" is towny for her, and not much has really changed since then except some more townvibes from her. from your&shea's side, i obviously don't agree with the push on her but it doesn't seem particularly scummy or anything, and generally we're having trouble sorting your slot cause we're just out of sync with both of you. there were some things that raised some eyebrows (focusing on our initial questioning of datisi rather than his response and our unvote, the questioning of marci) but it could very easily still be playstyle.Any thoughts on my slot vs. skitter?In post 317, Night Shade wrote: That post gives me townvibes. It feels honest and real. And I may be slightly biased because I started exploring my own Elements/Dragon paranoia earlier today so I liked that Infinity is also feeling that
I had to go back and look over Infinity's iso because I remember getting bad vibes from them. Some of the posts and positions feel diplomatic in a way and I think that's what also felt off with Dats. If Infinity is scum then they are really good at it, but I think I'm leaning town here after a small reread
I had to look back at this too. I realize now that I didn't answer your question in 226, instead I just kinda said what I was thinking about your slot because when you engaged with me then I had just been looking at 151 like right before that. I just reread over you/Datisi interactions around this and I didn't really feel anything. I'm getting vibes that Datisi feels different than other games I've played with him but I'm not sure if that's alignment indicative really. None of my reads are really strong at this point tbhIn post 316, Infinity 324 wrote: focusing on our initial questioning of datisi rather than his response and our unvote, the questioning of marci
As far as questioning marci, I'm not sure why that's odd, but I sort people better when I engage with them. So yeah maybe it is a playstyle thing
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For now I'm taking over our vote
VOTE: DragonEater70In post 319, Infinity 324 wrote:
mmm really? i basically said "this slot is basically null but a couple things pinged me" which feels like a very different thing than paranoia. if you're town and actually felt something related that's ok haha just feels a bit weirdIn post 317, Night Shade wrote: That post gives me townvibes. It feels honest and real. And I may be slightly biased because I started exploring my own Elements/Dragon paranoia earlier today so I liked that Infinity is also feeling that
yeah just the way you engaged came off as a bit aggressive, but if you didn't realize they were having trouble getting into the game that's fine. but this response feels a bit diplomatic if you think i was saying engaging with people is scummy?As far as questioning marci, I'm not sure why that's odd, but I sort people better when I engage with them. So yeah maybe it is a playstyle thing
mmmmmm
wonder what others think about this post
I don't know, it kinda feels partnered to me?
In post 406, Night Shade wrote: VOTE: skitter30
this exchange made me feel like skitter isn't really trying to sort me, instead i'm getting the feeling she just wants me to talk more so she can continue to paint me in a bad light. and i think scum are generally more concerned with keeping tabs on who trs/srs who. the obsession with my vote on Infinity and her trying to pry how i feel about the slot probably comes from scum here. my skitter tr was based on how i've seen skitter play as town before and also a couple of posts in her interaction with shea that felt genuine. i'm sure scumskitter is perfectly capable of mimicing this
This a really weird post when Skitter has literally been asking questions which are clearly aimed at sorting the slot?
Okay maybe not partnered? But I do agree that it makes Night Shade look bad.In post 410, Infinity 324 wrote: black's progression on the last two pages is probably an indication that 390 was a scumslip
-ace
scumslips mostly don't exist
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we'll probably discuss in-sys/iso the slot/outsource the read to someone else atp
Also, I thought about this:In post 461, TemporalLich wrote: explain how a town player makes 366 because that post is fabricated reads
And I realized it's probably scummy because when I'm town I always assume that I am town. Like I would say "assuming I'm town then it's clear that X is lying and therefore is scum". I only say things like "If I'm scum then X is town" or "scum!me should have killed skitter rather than no killed" (actual quote btw from a newbie game) when I am scum.In post 463, TemporalLich wrote:
partially I'm not sure, partially deflection, mostly there because I was catching up and noticed that post was scummy and needed to comment on itIn post 462, atsi wrote: What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?
I know Temporal Lich is not me but like as a town you KNOW that you/your slot is town so you CAN'T think your reads are fabricated, unless you are scum pretending to be town.
Also, like I said before I do agree that Black's reads in 366 are fabricated and I explained why I don't like them.
So with that,
VOTE: TemporalLich
E-1
There's also a few other things I wanted to say but I think I'll say them later because right now I'm shirking my real life responsibilities in order to write this post.-
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Wait wtf.
There was a whole page written since the VC and someone E-1'd TL.
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Well if it's going to be night I might as well quickly write my other thoughts and continue avoiding my real life responsibilities-
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Marci is pretty townie, Ausuka feels genuine but at the same time I feel like a reluctancty to townread her for some reason I'll look more at her ISO during the night.
Datisi is pretty townie overall. I think if Lich flips red then Datisi and Skitter are lock town for me.
If Lich flips green then I might actually sus Skitter a little?
I feel Ari is possibly a tiny bit pockety here:
In post 498, Aristeia wrote: I miss DatisiBut idk she sounds like a nice person so maybe she's just nice.
I feel like I need to get a better grip of Atsi, Infinity, and Ausuka so I will read through their posts during the night.-
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Dude
I check VC's by going to the mod's ISO and scrolling all the way down.
the way the game was stalled for like 2-3 days beforehand, I did not IMAGINE that someone may have shifted their vote.-
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I was like "oh this VC is from 6 PM yesterday and there's been no pages since then, probably there were like 2 posts since VC so I won't check them"-
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That was my mistake, THERE WAS a new page since then. I just ASSUMEDIn post 535, Datisi wrote:
how did you know there were no new pages since the one the VC was posted on if you didn't actually open that pageIn post 533, DragonEater70 wrote: this VC is from 6 PM yesterday and there's been no pages since then-
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Yeah exactly so I fucked up badlyIn post 536, Datisi wrote: actually there *was* a whole new page and like 25 posts since the VC what am i saying-
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Okay I'll walk you step by step how this happened
I wake up, see that the game is still on P20, decide to reread from the start.
I do that and also check the VC, see TL is E-1.
I continue rereading, write a big post, don't check VC/latest page again because I'm stupid, and press submit. And I don't know why I didn't get the preview edit thing, maybe because I had multiple tabs open or something then the site thought I've read the latest page? IDK how that works.-
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Alsp @Datisi, why would I even fake something like this? Aristeia was already intending to hammer so I could just wait for her to do it if I knew TL was at E-1-
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Look I can totally see why you think it looks weird, and I probably would have hammered TL anyway at a later point if I knew they were at E-1, but like my reaction was genuine because I was so shocked that it was a hammer when I intended an E-1 vote.In post 543, Ausuka wrote: tbh i wouldn't have hated the hammer if dragon had just owned it
"i found vc by isoing the mod and assumed no one changed their votes" just seems absolutely wild to me. like you just assume no one changes their votes?? it's not like i'm the only one who voted around that time, infinity voted a few posts before that and just by isoing the mod you can see, ah yes the votes are changing
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Datisi, you are 100% gonna think this is scummy for me to say, but I feel like the scumreading of my reaction during EoD was unfair and I want to explain why I had the reaction that I had to hammering Temporal Lich:
I have this slight anxiety about hammering people. I don't want to take responsibility for accidentally causing the elimination of a townie. You can see an example of this here (where I didn't hammer someone at E-1 an hour before time ran out). I also don't think I've ever hammered anyone on this site (okay I did once after I was bullied into it), so I kinda got an adrenaline rush when I lolhammered Lich and my response probably was out of proportion.-
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I felt their main scumminess came from association with Night Shade, but then they flipped green. So what did you find scummy about Infi?In post 555, skitter30 wrote: Ok i would not have expected infinity to die here, i thought they were kinda scummy-
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What is "in the tent"?In post 548, TemporalLich wrote: it's not a lolhammer because I was already in the tent, that is not a lolhammer by definition
And while I'm at it, what is "level 0 town" (which I saw some people throwing around D1)?-
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In post 49, atsi wrote:
Unlikely, unless we played on other website. Do I remind you of someone?In post 35, skitter30 wrote: Atsi r u an alt of someone i have played with?In post 217, atsi wrote:
I cc best fruitIn post 198, DragonEater70 wrote: YESS I GOT THE BEST FRUIT EVERIn post 323, atsi wrote:
I am best fruit, which is pineapple.In post 239, DragonEater70 wrote:
So you are a mango-pineapple?In post 217, atsi wrote:
I cc best fruitIn post 198, DragonEater70 wrote: YESS I GOT THE BEST FRUIT EVERIn post 324, atsi wrote: Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:
- Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.
- Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.
In post 325, atsi wrote: I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.In post 446, atsi wrote:
Why would TvS be more logical?In post 445, TemporalLich wrote: 112 is a very strange post that pushes an interaction that could be TvT as SvS
(and not the more logical TvS)...In post 462, atsi wrote: What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?
Feels like a bunch of meh posts with no actual thought process behind them.In post 467, atsi wrote:
Huh?? You pointed out one of their posts as very scummy, and I kinda agreed with you on that point. So where is this townlean coming from?In post 466, TemporalLich wrote: marcistar - townlean
VOTE: Atsi-
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I mean we could but what is this gonna achieve exactly?In post 561, marcistar wrote: yoo lowkey if all the vts are differently flavored why cant we all just claim our fruit and duke it out from there lmao-
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I admit that I was stupid. Additionally, I thought the game was stifled (it had been stifled prior to Lich repping in), so I didn't think it was risky.In post 576, atsi wrote: You said you knew there could be posts after the mod VC. If you're so reluctant to hammer people, voting before reading the thread makes even less sense.-
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Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?In post 597, Ausuka wrote: my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?-
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I do think that if I knew Lich was in E-1 I would probably declare intent to hammer and then hammer. So I do think hammering was justifiable. When I said lolhammer I meant that it was unplanned, and due to circumstance it gave me an adrenaline rush. IDK, I think it's normal to get excited over minor things when they are not expected.In post 602, Ausuka wrote: if dragon can be town and view his hammer as a 'lolhammer' why would scum him necessarily view the situation differently and think the hammer was justifiable?-
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Huh???In post 607, Aristeia wrote: tho I guess the instant reaction to the lol-hammer of being like negative feels like he knew he was hammering a townie?-
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I would like to hear your reasoning here.
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Oh damn it's really late. IDK how I always find myselfnotgoing to sleep at these hours.
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Morning!
So Ari tr is based solely on the nightkill? Like I do understand the logic behind it but they're your top TR, so like is there any other reasoning behind it or only that?In post 613, Ausuka wrote:
i would arrange it likeIn post 605, DragonEater70 wrote:
Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?In post 597, Ausuka wrote: my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?
aristeia, marci
datisi
atsi, skitter
dragon
my reads don't feel that strong but there you go? i'm not sure ari would kill infinity and i think marci's enthusiasm about the fruit thing is like, +town, probably
Also, would you be willing to vote Atsi right now?
cause I don't want to vote myself and I still don't think it's Skitter (though I'm starting to have a bit of doubt on my reads because I was pretty confident on NS being scum here)-
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Why?In post 617, Datisi wrote:
don't disagree, what are your other reads?In post 592, Aristeia wrote: I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful
VOTE: skitter-
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Why exactly am I scummy?In post 623, atsi wrote:
Why should we go for skitter when DragonEater is more scummy?In post 621, marcistar wrote: can we actually just go after skitter today-
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Oh basically I didn't want the day to end yet, and also I didn't see TL's VT claim so I thought I had hammered before they got to claim, which is like, bad form?-
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