Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

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let me catch up before I get voted to E-1

anyway welcome to the aether

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page 1 thoughts:

why do people claim miller in their opening? that's an obvious "look at me I'm the traitor" tell

why not late D1 like right now?

VOTE: Ausuka

Datisi has an alright opening and Infinity 324 has a good opening

page 2 thoughts:

I have to disagree about Ausuka being probably town, not sure why anyone claims miller in their opening

38 is a very strange post, why vote without pressure or intent to lim? That's basically "I want to vote but I want to not vote".

Elements has towny vibes, especially with the pressure E-1 vote

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page 3 thoughts:

I'd like Ausuka's reasoning for thinking atsi is town, atsi currently feels null to me

Datisi wanting reasoning for Ausuka's reasoning makes me think Datisi has towny vibes

Aristeia doesn't have towny vibes for 55, that post reads strange to me

skitter30's push feels strange to me, and 66 makes me think skitter30 could be scum

Elements' vote feels very unprompted, - scum equity points for that vote that I think is more likely scum than town

page 4 thoughts:

Datisi's thought process feels town to me

I do think skitter30 could have a town thought process, but I'm more willing to think scum. Let's say I have a weak scumrlean on skitter30 and would rather be voting Ausuka right now

97 feels like a town post anyway...

pedit: you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

ppedit: That is a logical and towny thought process, but why undermine your vote so that it has no pressure and is basically worthless?

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page 5 thoughts:

104 has towny vibes - I now consider skitter30 to be a nullread

I like 107 though, it is an eloquent post that is a good response to 106.

112 is a very strange post that pushes an interaction that could be TvT as

SvS

(and not the more logical TvS)...

page 6 thoughts:

marcistar seems to be very good at blending in... but not in a towny way. marcistar is a very low confidence scumlean for now.

other than that, page 6 doesn't really feel remarkable to me... 138 is a strange post but feels like a strange post that town makes, idk

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page 7 thoughts:

Infinity 324 still has weak towny vibes to me, though I don't really get the reasoning behind 151

155 is an okay post, the explanation of the atsi townread is towny but the miller claim reasoning is still impossible to tell if ausuka is a miller or traitor. That being said, that post still is more likely to come from town than scum, so my vote changes.

VOTE: Aristeia

167 is a towny thoughtstream...

172 is a moderately towny post, mostly due to thought process I guess.

page 8 thoughts:

okay 177 is a very bad post... forget my weak townread on marcistar from page 7

178 is a very good response... very towny, so I can no longer vote Aristeia

[post=marcistar]marcistar[/post]

skitter30 seems quite towny... 197 I can say is a NAI or town post, so idk but skitter30 still seems more likely to be town than scum to me

pedit: I don't think it would make much sense to fabricate a SvS interaction in early D1, especially not one that looks like TvT minus vitriol

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ebwop: messed up the vote tag...

VOTE: marcistar

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page 9 thoughts:

DragonEater70's opening is a pretty decent opening, feels like RVS banter


Aristeia's vote in 202 is scummy and trying to paint DragonEater70 as LHF (Ausuka already claimed miller so rolefishing can't happen there)


DragonEater70's early catch-up feels towny, and 205 feels like a decent meta-read to me.

and now Aristeia's playing the "RVS vote outside of RVS" gambit and that gambit seems to have worked as it involved DE70...

VOTE: Aristeia

Datisi's frustration feels like a towny emotion to me.

page 10 thoughts:


230 feels off to me tbh... no longer confident skitter30 is town but I still have a weak townread on skitter30

other than that I think skitter30 and datisi are on incompatible wavelengths, which makes them unlikely to be co-aligned scum

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page 11 thoughts:


okay 252 is a very strange post so I don't think 253 is a scummy response vote


254 is a good push.


265 is strange reasoning imo... I need elaboration, as otherwise that post just makes me think that marcistar thinks skitter30 could be town-aligned LHF for some arcane reason

page 12 thoughts:


276 is a towny post and explains more or less my reads on DragonEater70 as of this catch-up

but yeah this skitter30 and night shade interaction is a whole storm of noise, when I really need to be looking for signal to catch-up on

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page 13 thoughts:

actually I think skitter30 is null and not townlean anymore...

308 seems like town reasoning to me

I am really not seeing how infinity is voteworthy here! I actually think Aristeia is scum and would be willing to end the day with a lim there...

atsi's reasoning in 324 is very good, so yeah I think atsi is town this game

page 14 thoughts:

I'd like the reasoning behind the vote in 329 please. I really do think datisi's frustration is towny, but I'm not seeing why the dragon vote or the associative dragon has with skitter.

I don't agree with 334, the frustration feels real to me.

347 is a strange post to make though... yeah that strategy does feel like an easy scum strategy and it shows that Aristeia has a scum mindset

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page 15 thoughts:

not much I can say here...

361 is a pretty decent post

366 is not a post that town makes

page 16 thoughts:

A response to 380: I really do think Aristeia is scum. I don't see how Aristeia isn't scum. TvT is unlikely. I don't think SvS is likely either, so infinity gets town points for that

other than that my reads remain more or less the same as that page is mostly posts that confirm my existing lead rist

pedit: my skitter30 read is like 25% confident I guess... I think skitter30 could be scum but I am not unlikely to be incorrect. All I can say is that skitter is in my current PoE

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page 17 thoughts:

okay the skitter and night shade interaction feels like TvT noise to me... and I really don't see how night shade changes from a townread to a vote that quickly. I don't see that interaction being SvS, so skitter30 gets town points for being in an interaction that doesn't seem SvS and being the townier of the two in the interaction.

dragoneater70 feels town to me

page 18 thoughts:

I'm not sure what 428 is supposed to be saying, don't really see how an ineffective defense is the same thing as a fabricated defense

438 is a great catch up post

pedit: yeah but that's still not a post that town makes

I have thoughts to make and catch ups to speed through, my thoughts are better when they are unrefined

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explain how a town player makes 366 because that post is fabricated reads

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What's the point in scumreading your own slot? If you're town, then how does that help town?

partially I'm not sure, partially deflection, mostly there because I was catching up and noticed that post was scummy and needed to comment on it

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I've caught up now I guess, so I will post a lead rist:

[Town]

Datisi - town mindset abound
DragonEater70 - high effort, seemingly towny, good posts
Infinity 324 - good pushes
atsi - somewhat towny play
marcistar - townlean
skitter30 - PoE, would scumread but skitter's interactions make skitter look town
Ausuka - Strange claim dynamics, but maybe town or scum or nai. Placed in the PoE for now.
Aristeia - Very scummy, 347 shows a scum mindset and aristeia's ISO is scummy

[Scum]

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marcistar - townlean

Huh?? You pointed out one of their posts as very scummy, and I kinda agreed with you on that point. So where is this townlean coming from?

oh right... yeah 177 is indeed a scummy post (showing lack of interest of efforting) and 178 is still indeed a good response.

it doesn't make sense to have a large number of scumreads but be unwilling to vote

marcistar's vibes from the ISO feel towny, hence why I said townlean... but marcistar is

still

not voting even though marcistar is intending to vote aristeia and townreads infinity

I'm gonna have to retract my townlean that was given based on an ISO skim because my catch up pointed out a scummy post

that means marcistar falls below skitter30 in the lead rist... because that post has a scummy mindset and I really want marcistar to vote with an explanation instead of giving vague reads

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do it then lmao

I am already voting Aristeia

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I am sad to see Shea and black go

Not a fan of the infinity push there. What black said to skitter didn't really make sense but I kinda think it wasn't really scum indicative at all?

Temporallich, do you have any examples of traitor claiming miller? This seems simeltaneously too weird to be true and too weird to make up

I have no examples, though I have an example of someone claiming negative utility (but specifically not miller) and ending up to be a traitor.

I do think claiming miller is risky however, as it is a very easy fakeclaim for a traitor to make

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because I've heard that the strategy for traitor is to claim miller early D1

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both roles look the same to Cops and PT Cops, so very easy fakeclaim of a confirmable role

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I think Ausuka's push on me in 473 is probably more likely a town push than a scum push

that being said, I still don't like Ausuka's opening but the emotion in that opening feels real

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because I've heard that the strategy for traitor is to claim miller early D1

Could you like

maybe point to where you heard this?

I have played mafia on and off for 8 years and cumulatively have like 20k posts and i have literally never heard this before ever.

And while it seems weird to make up i think it's like... at least possible that you are indeed a traitor signalling given that you were like "my slot is mafia. i am a member of the mafia. my role pm is RED" earlier

I'm not able to point to where I heard that because I'm not sure where I heard that...

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anyway I can't read ausuka's questioning as town or scum, but I see undertones of caught scum especially with trying to insist that I was crumbing traitor for some arcane reason

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Caught scum

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I'll claim if I am in the tent, but I will crumb that I make a good sauce

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Yeah but I'm not in the tent yet so claiming might be unwise

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I still think Ausuka's reaction to vote me for scumreading her is scummy

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Tlich can you give me some examples of games you've replaced into to read?

Just this one: viewtopic.php?t=90478

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if I get quickhammered for that, I highly doubt Aristeia is town

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I'm approximately 80% confident you're scum

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it still is D1 so reads can change wildly

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thing is the game is stalled and it is D1 so I want to end the day quickly

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why do you want to end the day quickly?

the game needs momentum and I highly doubt I'll be able to get any more reads before the end of day

also I'm at E-1 so I either need to take 0% of the possible risks or 200% of the possible risks I could take

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your read on me is wrong

your read on ausuka is more likely wrong than not.

i am trying to pull you out of this hole you dug for yourself.

Congrats you just created an associative and if you flip scum I'm voting Ausuka because of that associative.

Saying I'm wrong isn't convincing because scum could easily say that to appear towny.

I don't understand your mindset at all but thats probably my fault.

I must be playing well then if my mindset is inscrutable.

I think you are pretty likely to get voted out and the more time that goes by the worse it is going to be so can you please just claim.

Why would I claim early? You haven't declared intent to hammer so a claim would still be early.

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i claim VT

pedit: saying you're not scum doesn't mean you're not scum

anyway, if my mindset is obvious the scum will think I'm town so I'd not be able to give reads based on VCA or realized associatives or mechanics

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the scum already know you're town

you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

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atsi's reaction to my hammer is scummy lol

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it's not a lolhammer because I was already in the tent, that is not a lolhammer by definition

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congrats scum