Micro 618 {Over}

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/Confirm

Votes probably won't count until ranger says so

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Deadlines are 10 days for Day, 48 hours for Night. Fail to submit actions on time and they are forfeit. If no majority exists, the player with the highest vote total is lynched. In a tie, it's whoever held the highest vote total prior to the tie.

Important

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Ok guess so! Game on!

VOTE: Chip

For making me look dumb!

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Werewolves control the vote if town doesn't vote so it doesn't work. Read the rule I posted above, it's important.

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Title also please!

Title is included in "whatnot".

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Seconding slight townlean on Chip.

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What do you have on BTD6?

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(Answering a question not to me)
The jokes feel casual/comfortable to me.

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(I think its a joke about being carnivorous)

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What do you think about Murder trying to direct conversation towards BTD in 72?

I dont like it or even Murdercat in general. Look at his ISO... its not a towny ISO

Lol yeah, asking for someone to clarify a read I don't understand is so untowny... Gimme a break.

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Honestly sick I can't read you at all because you throw out random accusations with no backing as town and scum so I'm just going to pay attention to your other head.

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I'll humor you. What exactly is indicative of me not wanting to be noticed?

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I don't like the wagon on BNL at all really so I'll sheep here. 104 is definitely a bit weird.

VOTE: BTD

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VOTE: Karnos

Off the top of my head I can think of two games where scum went to a really early L-1, and I only have 5 completed games.

Plus I don't want him at L-1.

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TBH, I didn't even see BNL's post when I posted that. I don't want him at L-1 because I've heard of scum "accidently" hammering really early and I've seen really stupid claims this early. There's nothing L-1 does that L-2 doesn't do and only bad things come from L-1 this early in my experience. Links coming...

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Hope that explains those questions.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7785107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7886595

Both of those are scum going to L-1 on town. I think scum is generally more ok with going to L-1 early on.

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Yeah push him to L-1 and then call whatever he does overdefensive, seems like a good scum strat to me. If someone else wants to put him back at L-1 that's fine but I have a feeling they won't because town is usually uncomfortable with L-1 this early.

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Lol...

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I mean it's looks super weird/ uncomfortable that he tried to defend his vote like that and now can't actually do it.

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(Kind of want to move my vote back, but I still don't like Karnos or going to L-1)

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I think it sometimes doesn't show when I'm on my phone and I've clicked to read unread posts on one page but there's new posts on a second page that I haven't looked at. It has happened to me before. Or maybe it just doesn't show with quick reply? I don't know.

As for your other point, I think everyone can agree that hammering now would be stupid. So theoretically a hammer would be NAI because it's a bad play for either alignment. So I don't really think we could be sure a hammerer would be a wolf (of course we'd probably still lynch them). So I stand by my point that nothing good can come from it and honestly town is more likely to make stupid mistakes than scum (I know I have made my fair share as town).

Regardless, my point on you isn't that L-1 is particularly dangerous and you were looking for a lynch, just that scum like to go to L-1 early in my experience.

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If he had nothing to worry about at L-1 like you said, why would that change anything? Do you think it's strange no one seems to want him at L-1?

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Karnos are you scum reading BTD? If yes, why aren't you doing anything to push there?

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Who is your strongest scum read?

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Assuming werewolves actually don't have a way to kill, that means they need to get 4 mislynches correct? Assuming wolf dies first, that's 5-1. I assume 1-1 would be a wolf win, because how else can they win after one of them dies? Seems like a tall order even without a cop (or whatever the werewolf version of cop is, I forget).

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Right, but I'm going to guess that the 5 people who created/assisted with/reviewed the game probably caught that and werewolves would win that situation.

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Why is this game so dead... Hello? Anyone out there?

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With what reasoning...?

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Chip specifically asked me for links. You are stretching.

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I've only played with sick but I find the way he throws around random accusations with not a lot of reasoning to be extremely scummy. I also know it's NAI for him.

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Chip specifically asked me for links. You are stretching.

And why didn't you just link him to BNL's post? Do you really expect us to believe you thought the theory was completely original to you?

Well for one he specifically asked for the games I was talking about. And two the points we made are totally different. BNL is talking about the speed of the wagon generally and is scum reading me and town reading BTD for it. I specifically found the L-1 vote suspicious based on my experience.

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I've only played with sick but I find the way he throws around random accusations with not a lot of reasoning to be extremely scummy. I also know it's NAI for him.

Interesting.
When have I done this in this game?
If anyone is doin it out of the two of us I would be you.
I've been making organic arguments against chip and BTD and Ll you've done is sheep it.
Be careful what you are saying.

~ Sick

For one, I'm on Karnos right now for a very concrete reason which I have provided evidence for. Two, I think it's obvious I'm referring to this exchange:

What do you think about Murder trying to direct conversation towards BTD in 72?

I dont like it or even Murdercat in general. Look at his ISO... its not a towny ISO

Honestly sick I can't read you at all because you throw out random accusations with no backing as town and scum so I'm just going to pay attention to your other head.

No seriously look at you ISO. It looks like you don't want to be noticed.

~ Sick

Note: your last post makes me want to scum read you. If you we're town you would want all the information you can get.

I'll humor you. What exactly is indicative of me not wanting to be noticed?

I don't think you responded. It always pings me when people throw shade without backing it up.

However, my experience with you (640) suggests that, as town, you will pick scum reads very early and are prone to conf bias so what looks like scum stretching to push a mislynch is actually just mistaken town. I can't talk about my experience with scum you yet due to ongoing games, but I probably wouldn't want you to know how I read you as scum anyway.

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I just meant that it's probably not in my best interest to go into my scum tell on him anyway, as I'm in a game with him and if he is scum I don't want him to know what that tell is. I currently have a light town read on your slot, in part because of your half of the posting and in part because he has not exhibited the behavior I would expect from him as scum (despite the fact that I would find some his other behavior, such as how we threw shade at me without really following it up, scummy from another player).

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Nah, lets not waste time. I'll hammer BTD if he doesn't start speaking soon.

If you hammer and he flips town, I'll want your head, I hope you know that.

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What do you mean by that? Assuming you aren't just adding that for emphasis.

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Haha I don't think so.

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Anyway, we have to go with what we know, we can't avoid lynching scum because they are too scummy. I'm feeling ok with this lynch, one of {Karnos, BTD} is probably scum (obviously I think Karnos, but it's true there is no defending BTD's iso) and we have room to play with considering there's no night kills.

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At least get a claim...

Agree with above, Karnos is toast tomorrow unless someone sees something I don't.

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I don't believe it either.

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Why the hell are you outing yourself?

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Not you, Dionysus and Ariadne...

Your claim was obviously fake.

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Karnos was a fake hammer.

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Then real hammer him.

-Ariadne

ok

VOTE: BTD

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This is a good point actually.

UNVOTE:

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You haven't been hammered.

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But D&A claim makes no sense as town or scum.

BTD is obv scum now and you are obv town, IMO.

(Also, I totally bought the fake hammer, mostly because sick made it seem like a hammer so I didn't really look.)

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Trading 1 for 1? I don't think so. Even in this setup.

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The only reason you would do that it is you are afraid that the seer will find scum, not say anything, find the other scum and then come out with both. Because now even if BTD were seer and got lynched, D&A is dead tomorrow and seer successfully traded, which is exactly what town wants.

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What a twist! I kind of thought you might be doing that but then you stuck with it lol. I don't believe it either, I think we can just lynch him.

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Are we voting me because you believe the seer claim or you just are afraid of giving vengekills? Because I'm fine with the later but not the former.

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Let's just lynch me, everyone seems to have a scum read on me so I'm getting lynched at some point anyway and we let the "seer" work for a night. If he comes up empty then you guys can lynch him.

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Sorry, other games have been very draining. I am still of the opinion that BTD is scum.

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269 came after the admission of fake claim.

Pedit: yeah

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That's a good point Char, you really haven't done anything. Mind giving reads? I'm wondering if you're a strong town read because you're a scum buddy and that was a weak distance attempt because otherwise that makes no sense to me.

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His explanation seemed to make sense though, wouldn't he be caught if a different person PM'd him as seer and was suddenly vengekilled? Seems like it would be a risky play.

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Oh wait are you saying Karnos is going to claim someone sent him a seer PM even if he didn't get one just to get BTD lynched? I also don't see how this explains you at the top of the town reads. Please explain more when you can.

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Not saying I believe this, but say you are a wolf and no one PMs. Then you say someone PM'd, kill BTD and he flips seer. Then you say something like MC PM'd me, he is scum who wanted seer dead! People probably buy it because you are being town read by everyone. That lets you trade for seer plus me plus the vengekills which is pretty good.

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Still think you are town FYI, just speculating.

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V/LA until tomorrow night

Sorry, I'll have more time soon.

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Ok I'm back from family weekend. Catching up and posting first thing in the morning.

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want no lynch today other than BTD one

Agree, we have caught scum.

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you wouldnt have outed yourself until last minute

I mean, I know he's scum but he thought he was hammered, hence the claim.

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If my choices are between Murdercat and D&A, I'd choose Murdercat. He's null for me, but D&A's a townread.

VOTE: Murdercat

self preservation vote...

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Can we talk about why we are not lynching BTD? It's because we want to hunt scum before vengekills correct? Because literally no one believes the claim. Personally, I think the job becomes easier after we have a sure flip and 2 people we don't have to sort (and can trust post flip). Let me look at BNL now.

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Can you setup spec something that makes sense?

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Ok so I think BNL is scum with BTD. How anyone could ever believe that cop claim is beyond me, the only thing that makes sense is that BTD is some sort of scum PR that BNL wants to keep alive for a night (maybe that's why BTD is so convinced there is an RB?)

OK so
Townreads on BTD6 and D&A for reasons already stated.
Charloux is null, low activity but justifiable.
JaeReed I haven't been paying much attention to. Same with Murdercat after the fake BTD6 hammer thing.
I'm having trouble reading karnos. I see some really townie stuff in his iso and also some really scummy stuff.
ReallySick and Chip Butty's activity has died down.

I think this is pretty bad. None of these reads have any substance or anything, as they seem to change based on how other people are reading others. BTD is obviously an outlier, I assume because they are scum together and BNL has some need to keep BTD alive for as long as possible.

The vote on me was opportunistic and just plain bad.

I will vote here at deadline if needed, but I still think we should vote obv scum BTD.

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Is that to me?

Yes.

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You're willing to bet your life now?

I'm not sure what this means?

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I just meant sure as in the person's alignment will be confirmed.

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I think it doesn't make sense in this setup. Admittedly though, I've never played in a no night kill game. If you can spec out a setup with what we know that includes seer or point me to a no night kill game that had a cop, I'll be more receptive. Also, let's not pretend that it's just the claim that is getting BTD scum read...

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So you don't think there is a seer? But you want to keep the person claiming seer alive???

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Lynch town today then "seer" later is no different from lynching "seer" then town. We are playing to win, not win as soon as possible.

How about we just lynch scum twice? Why are things easier if we do town first then scum? In mylo people no lynch to reduce the lynch pool, I think that hitting for sure scum today does a similar thing.

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You yourself say you are having trouble finding scum so I don't see why you don't agree.

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So do you mean at deadline we lynch BTD or we lynch someone else today? Because I'd prefer scum be forced to use the vengekills before more info is out/better reads are developed/etc. Plus I think that it makes our lives easier if there's 2 less people to worry about. Just my 2 cents. Like I said, I would vote BNL if it came to that.

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Just realized my vote isn't where I thought it was.

VOTE: BTD

I unvoted because we were talking about not quick lynching, but this is safe to do now so my vote goes back.

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If no one can explain to me why a seer makes sense and no one can explain why lynching scum today is bad then I don't understand why the vote count looks like it does.

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But how does the setup make sense?

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9 hours. I am probably going to sleep soon and won't be around for deadline so I'll move my vote now so I don't forget. Seems like people don't want to do BTD yet anyway.

VOTE: BNL

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L-1

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Someone please announce if you'll be around at deadline so that we don't all sleep and miss a hammer (I know we get a lynch anyway, but it feels weird to leave it open like that, I want a full wagon of votes to look at).

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BNL is hanging as we only have 25 minutes left. We could swing it right now, but I'm not voting Karnos or where my top scum read is voting.

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I think you are perfectly able to come up with fake reads if you wanted to. I think there was a reason you didn't want to take a firm position yet. I just don't see how you are believing the claim. No one has managed to provide me with a setup that makes sense.

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I feel like you are just trying to get a last second swing off you.

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My scum read on you is due to the fact that you've interpreted something in a way that just doesn't make sense as town. Admittedly though, I'd rather be lynching BTD and deal with you later because I get what your saying it is partly association. No one wanted to do BTD though.

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Like Karnos (I assume this is what you are getting at)? We are doing BTD tomorrow regardless of your flip so if the game continues past that then I will consider that.

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I noticed that too, I think Char just hasn't caught up yet though.

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VOTE: BTD

Target and results please.

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That's what I'm expecting, but it's still necessary.

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@Jae: Although it's all correct, i don't want you to WK me again; Last time you did that i got lynched and you got killed by a VI

*cough*

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Still waiting on BTD's "results"

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Wtf

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You for real?

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Lmao no one is buying it BTD

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What the fuck JR, he just claimed a guilty and you think he is VT?

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You aren't buying this are you?

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Murder looked really innocently town regarding his wagon yesterday, in a way that I'm thinking he probably is actually just town.

If this is true you should be voting BTD end of story.

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How many of us believes ChipButty is town? I know sickofit is still conflicting with me but anyone else?

I believe Chip is town.

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I think your chip case is mostly your gut read of him so I don't find it that useful but at least we've reached the same conclusion.

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Can he be a Vanilla Townie doing a gambit? I have pulled such gambit and that's why we're voting Karnos instead of Murdercat.

Why are people entertaining this? Why do people think this is a possibility? What am I missing?

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BTD is not 100% VT, but he can be VT. Which is why I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

He is claiming a guilty on me!

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Nothing personal please...

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As for BTD, I don't see why people are even thinking about the possibility that they could be a gambitting VT. Like where is this coming from? He claimed cop and has a guilty on me.

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How am I acting like a jester? I obviously want BTD lynched and for no one to believe that stupid claim.

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If you were seer then you would give your result. Are you saying that you told BTD your role and had him claim the result? And I'm not tunneled on BTD, my strong town reads know where else I'm looking.

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UNVOTE:

Idk

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I see 0 town motivation in that. Why didn't you just CC BTD yesterday? Why would you look at a claim that you know is false and then say oh I can trust this person and tell them you are a PR? How were you so sure that BTD is town that you decided telling him your the PR is a good idea??

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Is everyone forgetting how scummy BTD looked before his claim?? Are you forgetting that I know he has a fake guilty on me??

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Yeah that was more directed at RS. I think RS looks terrible right now unless he can somehow answer the questions I posted above.

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It makes it a lot easier to read on phones, for one. I'd appreciate it, I am on my phone a lot.

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^^

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what the fuck

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I assume that JR and RS also knew this?

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What the fuck are you doing then?

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I was told they were claiming fake guilty on me not that he was VT.

you = you RS

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Now that this is out, RS why would Karnos be calling for a fake guilty on me if we are partners?

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VOTE: ReallySick

I think I like this right now.

Pedit: Sure but if me and Karnos are partners he would call for a fake guilty on Char or Chip or someone, not me.

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You roleswapping thing was BS and you ignored my question about it

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Yeah that makes sense to me now. I want to know why RS is fake claiming.

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K. My vote stays until then.

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Why the fuck am I scum please.

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{Karnos, Chip}
{D&A}
{Char}
{JR}
{BTD, RS}

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Ok that's fine then D&A, I understand that.

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I could see JR/RS to be honest.

D&A how are you so sure JR is town? Whisper stuff?

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Ok, I will take that into consideration. Karnos is my JR though and he says JR scum.

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I guess that's fair. I don't think he's scum, but clearly something has gone very wrong today.

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Right, I mean there's a reason you aren't in my lowest tier.

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D&A can I get your thoughts on RS? I think we might be able to come together there or on BTD.

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Lol what happens when two people proxy each other?

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Honestly we kind of sat around and wasted time with this stupid gambit and now I don't think anyone even has 2 votes.

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RS, what were you going to claim? You've mysteriously gone missing...

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I'm going to do a full reread tonight I think.

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the whole thing was just a big waste of time

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So we need to find out why BTD whispered D&A and JR.

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And that's when he told you that the gambit was happening?

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BTD I want your list.

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Your reaction test is shitty

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You act scummy and then OMGUS whoever calls you scum. Maybe you are just scum.

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Granted, I see no town motivation, but I also don't see the scum motivation

I really think BTD and RS are scum team right now.

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My scum reads on both of you are independent, but nonconflicting.

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UNVOTE:

ok

Idk lemme think.

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Use vote counts as passive aggressive bumps when you don't think players are posting enough.

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BTD, if you could reply outside of the quotes that would be great.

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For a second I thought that was the biggest scum slip of all time.

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Well PT just usually refers to the mafia thread and when you are playing enough games...

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Yeah I'm really surprised about the D&A vote...

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I'm being too paranoid to the point where I'm nuts and pointing fingers randomly and screaming "SCUM!"

Don't worry, this is how I always play.

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I understand that reasoning though, thank you.

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Lol Chip I was gunna let you finish but, I'm gunna jump in here real quick and say that I think the first sentence is saying he wants to lynch Karnos.

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I'm honestly not sure though.

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Intent to hammer

Honestly, we have to do this at some point, we can't let BTD anywhere near lylo. I think Karnos is town and I think that both scum are probably on him right now.

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This is probably scum ^

"We can lynch my scum buddy today as long as we mislynch the next day, that will still give me a chance to win."

Honestly I could lynch you today too.

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I'm going to give him a chance to post again. The fact that you are calling for a hammer without him posting is scummy as well.

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This is all flail as far as I'm concerned.

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Lol I don't think you've played that many games with me.

He genuinely doesn't want BTD lynched because he genuinely doesn't want to lose when BTD flips scum and we lynch him next. I don't see how any townie could possibly be interested in keeping BTD alive or be so sure that he is town after we all thought he was scum and then he fake claimed cop. Like, we were all ready to lynch him and then he fake claimed cop and because sometimes town gambits BTD must be town? This isn't just a policy lynch.

As far as RS goes, it's a common scum tactic to ask for some sort of hard evidence. Because we don't know anything we can never produce any hard proof and scum gets to say "see you have no real reason you think he's scum! We can't lynch him (or me)!" He is just doubtcasting.

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Like look at 918. "He's town he's town he's town! Oh and if he flips scum he must be getting bussed so I can't be the other scum, by the way."

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I can quote for you if you really care

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If you want to flip Karnos so bad and get people to agree then fine, but if he is town we lynch you and then BTD or BTD and then you it doesn't matter at that point.

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Would you agree to that?

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^ pretty much.

If all 3 of you are town we are losing this game.
If you are both town then I would probably lynch Karnos.
If BTD is scum and you are town then it depends on who is alive but I would be unsure.

If Karnos is scum then I would admit my reads suck and you can lynch me.

PEDIT: We don't actually lose after 2 mislynches because scum is down to 1.

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I will let you finish with JR and try to convince them if I have to.

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My hope is JR will see through you independently.

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I AM pointing at a scum partner.

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Ok actually, consider this. If Karnos is town then I would be basically sure that BTD and RS are scum together with Char as an unlikely 3rd possibility (pretty much just because you are on that wagon). If Karnos is scum then that saves us two mislynches as I would then be very confident that both BTD and RS are town. So maybe flipping Karnos is ok if other people actually think he could be scum. JR I want to hear from you about this.

Char, why are you feeling Karnos scum again?

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So if we mislynched Karnos and you mislynched on of us--you're confident that the other is not scum.

Yes, at that point I would probably clear whoever is left and look at a weird scum team possibility like Chip/Char or something. Why do you ask though, don't you think Karnos is flipping scum?

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Ok, fair enough Char.

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VOTE: BTD

This has to happen today.

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*cough BTD and RS cough*

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I put too much faith in someone who is kinda lazy to actually read the thread before voting.

holy shit lol

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BS, it was obvious JR didn't want a hammer.

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Scum flail

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I kind of agree with Chip that it looks like RS is pushing a mislynch but if BTD flips town then we know RS is scum. We could flip RS but if he is town I don't think that it tells us as much. Whatever, they are both scum I think so it doesn't matter much to me which we flip, but I think my preference is still BTD.

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I guess the fact that I have you as scum either way suggests I should reevaluate, but it could also suggest that you are just scum. If BTD is town I would be inclined to think you are just white knighting.

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Ok, he was trying to get me off BTD in whisper though so at least if BTD flips scum I'm still going to want his head.

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What does that even mean?

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Is there anything in this game that makes you think he is town besides that? Was that the initial reason for your town read on him?

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I don't see how that isn't answered by saying it was all anti-town scum flail. How do you feel about the fact that Karnos was the counter wagon to BTD and Karnos was town?

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Right but there's a big difference between a day 1 wagon and a day 2 wagon, imo. Plus the only reason there was a wagon on me was because people didn't want to lynch BTD day 1 either so I don't really think that helps your case that much.

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Look all 3 of {BTD, RS, Char} can't be scum so let's not be lazy about this. If you have a town read on BTD I need an explanation because I've been scum reading him all game and I don't feel like I've gotten a good explanation about why people think he's town or a convincing argument that someone else is scum.

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UNVOTE:

no more lol hammers

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I don't really subscribe to the too scummy to be scum point of view, sorry. How about you give me evidence that D&A is scum? I feel like that hasn't really been addressed fully. Char, you too please.

Pedit: ok show me evidence of that.

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I thought 970 was a good post. I don't really see how that's flailing.

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As for flailing, here is the wiki: flailing

I'll agree that Chip hasn't been the most productive player in the game. But I think you could say the same thing about Char. BTD and D&A have actively played anti-town, although I currently think D&A did it out of laziness.

Also, I apologize if I was too harsh.

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intent

I want more from D&A and I'll let BTD post again I guess.

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If JR/Char sign off then I think I'll hammer, the game is stalling and I'm traveling tomorrow anyway so I'd rather do it sooner rather than later.

BTD's list is just OMGUS. This should have happened day 1.

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Do you have any particular people you want to hear from? I want to give char and JR a chance to jump off if they aren't comfortable with the lynch but I don't really see how we would ever lynch anyone else today.

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He is just throwing stuff to see what will stick.

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I just want Char who seems to be town reading BTD to give thoughts and for JR to confirm.

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Figured. Just Char now.

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Aren't you townreading him?

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@Ranger

Going VLA until the 22nd, I should still be able to post once a day at least though.

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There's 0 reason to wait anymore.

VOTE: BTD

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Are you trolling?

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Well nothing else was happening and we had 3 intent to hammers. Besides she may still check in to do the flip.

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Shit...

Well at least you are just VT and not seer lol.

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Consider my reads/vote proxied to Chip until I'm back.

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I don't really understand what happened day 4, but let's let me get back from VLA before we lynch someone please..

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Ranger can we get a vote count just so I know who's left? Chip, Char and I right? 2 to lynch? AKA we are suddenly in Lylo?

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That's all I wanted, thank you smith.

Char, why do you say scum me and not scum chip? Chip isn't confirmed? Also is anyone not a VT?