Micro 713: 5p Vengeful (Endgame)

[Vijarada]

MortFeld is obvious scum though.

But yeah MortFeld is obv scum. If anything, he should be policy lynched.

Pedit: so we're all in agreement then, it's Mortfeld?

We're town. MortFeld and whoever else didn't post is scum. GG no re.

You don't know my name so uh...obvscum.

Can we vote ourselves in rvs?

[Vijarada]

it's really funny watching the quickwagons happen when you vote yourself tbh

[Vijarada]

like i can find you examples of me self-voting as town. i'm not offering myself as a lynch, just saying it gets good reactions. Apparently even threatening it does. I don't want to die here as scum either, lol.

[Vijarada]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=71181

here's me getting quickhammered day 1 for it rip.

[Vijarada]

I don't. That's why I didn't vote myself. I just made a joke about it because I've done it before. And I got reactions. Honestly this is so fuckin dumb.

[Vijarada]

Because you guys were like "why the fuck would you say that" "100% this" "if he's town, he's playing against his wincon" "FOS vij, he's bluffing having a vengeshot" (FOS I Havent seen in years so thanks for making me laugh). You guys went in real hard.

[Vijarada]

what have i done against town wincon?

[Vijarada]

I don't want to die here as scum just means if I'm scum here, which I'm not, I also don't want to be lynched. So that post was playing to no scum wincon. You guys are jumping on...the dumbest things. I also laughed at the incredibly patronizing post which said "Idk where you've played before but here self-voting is frowned upon" as if my first game here wasn't three years ago and as if you weren't completely wrong. An RVS self-vote is a great way of generating reactions and early RVS wagons on day 1, and are not quicklynch fodder (unless the scum quickhammer you in a setup where it's advantageous to do so). Like, obviously self-hammering or voting on your own large wagon is frowned upon.

Anyway that's all besides the point at this time. I think Mort for breaking what was going on before is possibly town. I kinda want to lynch ASP? He was like "yes 100% agree" and then he went quiet for a while and just started agreeing later. Like he wasn't actually pushing me. Idk it could be ASP mort so scum were on both sides of that argument. Not sure yet. But it's a distraction.

[Vijarada]

Sorry what's up getting prodded in a vengeful aaaayyyyyy. I kind of disagree with the MF push still. I think he came into the game and made posts totally different from what was going on before and I think that's town.

I'm kind of allright with voting for infinity, I reckon. I think right now he's just been asking questions for a while? And trying not to make a push for like a while. I don't agree with lynching him for ASP association though, because tenshii could still be scum and also because we could lose if he's town and he hits another town. So, we should be a bit careful.

[Vijarada]

@Vij, re: 78: what you're saying is, you're hedging on Inf, and are against voting Mort?

Yeah, I was saying I disagreed with the push on Mort, although I could be convinced. And I said I was looking at inf as my strongest scumlean at that time.

Re: whether I agree with 77 obviously I'm town so the first half is true, and I think Mort is town as well. As to whether the interactions make it impossible for ASP/Mort to be a scumteam, I don't think that's relevant to what my thoughts are right now. And as I said, Tenshii's push to lynch because of these early associative tells, I'm very wary of.

[Vijarada]

Re: Inf's questions

Post 14: Why would you want to vote yourself in RVS?
Post 18: Why don't you believe his answer?
Post 23: Why would you want a quickwagon on yourself in this game though?
Post 25: Why is it dumb that people are reacting to stuff and trying to get reads on page 1?
Post 27: Why won't that help us form reads?
Post 30: Why won't that help us form reads?
Post 34: Vij, why didn't you say that it was a joke in 16. ASP, what's your read on vij?

Post 66: Why is mort scum?
Post 68: Why am I scum?
Post 71: And why can't ASP be partners with anyone else?
Post 80: Vij do you agree with 77?
Post 87: What's your overall read on ASP? Why do you scumread 61?

You do realize, mort, what I was saying there right? He never once provided anything from the answers to those questions except more follow-ups. And they're clearly not an attempt to get reads, he said in 79 he's not getting any. Just trying to look busy.

[Vijarada]

I'll vote inf if we have to get a right now lynch
VOTE: Infinity

[Vijarada]

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

in order of increasing likelihood of being scum:
{ASP}
{Infinity}
{Vij}
{Mort}

Though, if any one of the top 3 are scum, then shoot someone else in the top 3 and lynch the last member next day. I've found my 1 lock town this game and that's Mort. I'm town, so the game can only end like this:

Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other

Infinity flips town -> Shoot Vij or ASP (whoever you scum read the most) - > Lynch the other next day.

Some situations leave me to 1v1 in LYLO and I'm fine with that. Based on my current read, I'm not voting mort all game.

You may ask: Why vote Infinity if ASP is highest scum?
A: If he flips town, it doesn't matter (see above flow chart). I think he'll flip Godfather though.

Everyone read this post though until you understand it. If Mort and I are town, then it's a 100% win.

"hi i'm picking two random people, if they're town we can kill the other three and we win"

you are a genius of the highest order.

[Vijarada]

Hm I don't disagree here. Though I find it funny that you use this sort of argument while shooting down an argument I've made of a similar form.

Infinity and NF are not scum together.

Vij and NF are likely not scum together.

What similar argument did you make?

Why can't vij and NF be the scumteam? That would be my pick for the scumteam if you're town, which is seeking more likely tbh

. You've gotten better since 36 and vij has given nothing.

Green is in reference to calling Mort town.

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Infinity, if you're town and you scum read me and someone other than Mort, shoot that other person. I can be lynched the next day, but shoot that other person.

(notice how this move only leaves me + mort as a game losing scum team)

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Notice how that is one of the two scumteams I think is most likely

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Red calls Mort + me likely scum

You legit flip flopped within 5 posts. Five posts. Cinco posts. Roman numeral style: V posts. 5 posts.

Decide on a read for Mort. Is he town or is he scum? I'm saying I'll never lynch him.

this is not even inconsistent in any way i recommend you start reading posts and thinking about them.

[Vijarada]

Vij is lock town via tone

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

6 posts count 'em. VI. 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9bk6t4cLc.

Honestly I think NF is scum here, him coming in saying "wow i have an insta-win plan" and it being completely useless and nothing, him saying "eh I could see vij scum" when other people said it, him just...yeah and I agree with inf's post about his tone after he "solved the game", its bad. I don't think this guy is scum with inf so this is a total backflip but look i have glasses so i'm smart I guess.

VOTE: Not fury