Micro 736: Mafia in Blitztown (Game Over)

[Vedith]

VOTE: Echo

[Vedith]

I woke up to a 3 page lynch yesterday morning.
So Wtf?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Echo

5 votes to kill right?

Why are you asking this?

My question is, why the fuck was this killed?

[Vedith]

Why was anybody killed? There was so little to go off you could basically say the same about any potential NK.

Do you actually believe this?

[Vedith]

Yes, there was two pages of content and nobody really did anything particularly town in nature, so the NK probably had little if any reason behind it. Wouldn't surprise me if they simply went after someone they perceived to be a good player or something.

Considering Echo was calling Kopkirk scum, you think that there's the same amount of gain killing Hopkirk than other players in teh game?
Just to make sure you're serious here.

[Vedith]

Trying to make understanding out of a random nk is winfom.

Night kills are never random.
If you think they are, then git gud.

[Vedith]

I suppose when you put it that way you may have a point. Didn't consider that.

Then again the reasoning Echo used to link the two was flimsy at best. I would hardly have called it a credible link, but for argument's sake let's say it was something substantive, I would still say the fact Hopkirk was the NK doesn't really say much, it's either Cloud!scum getting rid of Hopkirk to kill off ideas of a potential scumteam or scum killing Hopkirk because they know doing so implicates Cloud!town, it's a maze of WIFOM.

True, but it removes that push.
I'm at games night but I'll post what I'm thinking after.

[Vedith]

VOTE: srceenplay

Because they were the third vote on the wagon.

Is this the scumhunting you were referring to in Post 38?

I suppose that makes Screen, it's probable one of them was distancing themselves from that. Only slight issue is that some of those votes were RVS, granted one is dead and the other is you so you're clearly not gonna be scumreading yourself, but there is still Vedith, who didn't post between L-1 and hammer so didn't get a chance to unvote when it started looking serious.

I'm in the UK. I went to bed.
Try again.

[Vedith]

Cloud I think is town.
Kaboose I think is town
Ircher seems town

No one else has impressed me.

Mj a bit of a town lean.

Esires or Screen to be lynched.

[Vedith]

I've been on my other accounts tonight and not posted in majority places on this account.
Try again.

[Vedith]

And do you want me to answer the question on esires or screen, because right now I'm assuming you're playing dumb?

[Vedith]

You also have about 5mins to peak my interest or I'm off to bed.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Esires

I suggest here today. Due to the fact they are voting Cloud and making a reason simply because if the night kill as if it was planned to setup Cloud.

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

And you signed up for a Blitz game to be in a game you weren't expected to post every day in?

Yes.

Sorry if I seem dumb for asking questions, but this is kind of my job here. It's not like you had mentioned any potential reasoning on them prior to this post here so unless you consider everyone without mind-reading powers stupid. Your posts up to me having to ask you for your reads were completely full of fluff and had no real opinion about any living player in this game.

Well, since you find it hard to understand, there's 7 players alive. I'm town, I think 4 others have potential as town.
That equals 5. 7 minus 5 is 2.
There are 2 players that I don't town read.
2 is the number of Scum... omg math is amazing.
So yes, that was a dumb question from you.

And you can try to lynch me, but I'm Vedith.
Esires Scum flip means we point to you next though now. Since you are trying to push away from that lynch.

Easy game easy money

[Vedith]

@Mjollnir - Vedith is a bit of a dick so unfortunately it's NAI, he was horribly anti-town in our previous game together and was willing to gamethrow because he was pouty. TBH I just don't really read his posts anymore.

I was anti town by winning us the game and lynching both Scum.

[Vedith]

I'm vig-ing someone not on the lynch tonight

Do I need to lynch you before Esires?
Kaboose is town. Do better.

[Vedith]

There we go sweet heart, you finally understood.
Cloud doesn't hammer there as Scum.
Ircher is obvious Scum when Scum
Kaboose is genuine in trying to sort the game, I don't believe that Kaboose votes 3rd as Scum while Scum. I've seen a few of his games, he's not too bright.
And yours if only a gut town lean

Now explain your reads.

[Vedith]

Need to be more on the ball, Mario \o/

[Vedith]

So you have no opinion on the other players?

[Vedith]

Esires to be lynched then.

[Vedith]

I'll vote either with the mist votes out of those 2.
1 thing you'll learn to accept is that I'm always right. You can try to lynch me, but I'm Vedith.

We are also not lynching Cloud or Kaboose. The fact they aren't considered town shows that I'm playing with a more newbie bunch.

[Vedith]

I was saying my current thought process.
I believe that esires was planning to use that and reason he killed Hopkirk.
Either he's right on why Hopkirk was killed or I'm right that he killed him to use that. And I'm never wrong.

[Vedith]

And I have demostrated that I'm right.
What's your point?

[Vedith]

Vedith \o/

[Vedith]

Also were down to 17 hours.
Do better everyone.

[Vedith]

FYI Vedith was wrong many times over in our previous game, so don't buy into his egotistical BS. He also sets up a false dichotomy in 211. I speculate Cloud + Vedith scumteam.

I lynched 2 people that game. Both those 2 people were scum.
So I was right in the lynches 100%

[Vedith]

You thought I was scum, you thought skitter was scum, you thought pretty much all other players were scum at some point in the game and kept saying you're always right. You even shitposted up the game to the point where it was nearly unplayable trying to get me lynched (for anyone curious start with post 1904 in this game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72576&start=1900). And you didn't lynch anyone. You voted for a some people, who I also voted for, and none of your contributions influenced my decision to vote for either scum player. If anyone "lynched" Dog it was me since I hammered and won the game.

I still lynched right. Doesn't matter who I called scum.
Plus, you just followed my lead, so no, I lynched scum there.

[Vedith]

Yes I do, I'm Vedith.

But no, I said it's best we lynch you before that.

[Vedith]

I don't like at all the fact he has changed his story on why he laid a vote on esires

Show me where I change my story or I lock vote you.

[Vedith]

That's not me changing my story at all.
I gave 2 names I didn't town read. Those 2 I would vote. There's reason to vote esires on top of that alone.

So welcome to lock vote.
I'm not the right person to try and make bullshit over, I won't let it drop.

VOTE: Mjollnir

[Vedith]

Then do it.
I can tell you now that we lynch you over me 10 out of 10 times.

[Vedith]

Not really, kiddo.
We can lynch you today then your buddy esires tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Shut up Ircher and vote Mjollnir.

[Vedith]

Real live footage of Mjollnir trying to pocket Ircher.



Let's all take a moment to see if Ircher falls for it.

[Vedith]

I take grave offense to this.

My hair is much longer, I have much more facial hair and I generally look much more fabulous than how you depict me here.

I apologies, my painting skills are not as good since I lost both my thumbs.

[Vedith]

Like I said before I'd be fine with either Cloud or Vedith today. Screenplay and Kaboose I'm null on. Ircher and Mjol I lean town on.

Why does scum Cloud hammer and put himself as priority lynch the next day?

[Vedith]

Because scum!Cloud has a partner to help talk the town down from lynching them.

Okay. So you think I am his partner here right.
So you think I leave Ircher alive who possibly knows my scum game enough, to try and push away from Cloud?

This is your actual thinking, yes?

So tell me. If Cloud flips town, who's scum?

[Vedith]

If Cloud flips town I look into my null reads more closely tomorrow. On the Ircher thing I don't really get what you're saying.

Okay, let me just point this out.
If you're town, you need to consider that we have 1 lynch left before LyLo.

So I want you to consider Cloud hammering as town for a second. And explain who gains from his lynch here?

I also want to re think Kaboose. Given that we have like 8/9 hours left and he's been off today he's given no effort to sort the game.

[Vedith]

Vedith needs to think.

UNVOTE: Mjollnir

[Vedith]

I'm off to bed in a bit.
I still want Esires lynched overall.

[Vedith]

VOTE: esires

[Vedith]

I'm at work but lets discuss.

Everyone tell me why I should town read them.

[Vedith]

Who cares. Cloud was obvious town to anyone who has played enough anyway.

So Screen and Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

We lynch here today.

[Vedith]

Cloud, are you going to tell Vedith?

For the record i suggest you unvote right away or its game over right now

Tell me what?
Cloud is town, he knows that Kaboose/osuka is town.

The only 2 who should not be casting a vote easily is Cloud and osuka.
I do like how I'm not confirmed scum to you though.

[Vedith]

I do like how I'm not confirmed scum to you though.

How did you come up with that?

Well, you having concern on me voting Ircher (who even if you claim town has to be scum) means that you show doubt that town can be lynched here.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Ircher

For the purpose of the game. But I said all day yesterday that scum Cloud doesn't do that.

[Vedith]

Town neighbour
I'm in a hood with Ircher and that's where my town read originally came from while discussing in the PT.

[Vedith]

So let me clear a few things up

Me nad Ircher both started as neighbours.
I've seen many games where they have all town in, I've seen many games where they have 1 scum in.

The role itself is NAI and should never be a factor in game balance or a persons alignment.

Cloud will never be a Rolecop - Because there is nothing to rolecop other than me and Ircher, which again, is NAI.
Cloud is town here 100% of the time.
Cloud has a town clear, 100% of the time.

Scum are in Ircher and Screen.

The fact that Screen was trying to insta vote Cloud means that scum wanted him as the mis lynch last night.
Ircher told me last night that he thought Cloud was scum and I disagreed with him on it.

If you are at doubt, then scum has to be either me/Screen or Ircher/Screen.

Lynch Screen, prove my point, Ircher kills Cloud, we lynch Ircher.

Vedith! \o/

[Vedith]

I can't explain experience to you.
In all my games, the only scum to ever do that was Salamander. So yes, I might be saying 100% and being wrong on those stats, but I have seen how Cloud plays to how Salamander used to play and I am very confident in scum not doing that if it's Cloud/X.

Cloud also doesn't clear his partner in this situation, so even if you think Cloud is scum, then you should be in the mind set that me or Ircher are.

[Vedith]

Never happened.

I want to re address this as I got my wires mixed up.
Cloud never voted off the bat.

But my point still stands. It's clear that Screen is scum with either my or Ircher (not me).
The only thing that baffles me is the way he asked for a mass claim. It looked like he was hoping to counter claim, but he already knew my role as Ircher would have told him.

[Vedith]

That's a contradicting statement. By your own admission me asking for roles would be redundant if I was scum.

That's what I'm saying baffles me.
It's not a contradiction.

[Vedith]

I've already said why.

[Vedith]

I don't see it. The closest thing I see is you saying scum don't do that.
You are not saying what that is or why scum don't do that.
So I'm asking you to explain your thoughts.

I've said this already.
Scum don't hammer like Cloud did day 1.
Show me a game where they do.

[Vedith]

You town read Ircher until today.
Is it just Poe that you scum read him?

It's the fact he was calling Cloud Scum in the PT too.
And I was never going to vote Cloud today as I believe he's town, the clear means you have to be Scum.

[Vedith]

Esires had a theory on why Cloud was scum. You said it's impossible and lynched him. You were wrong, so why can't he be right?

I can be wrong.
But I'm not wrong here. Otherwise town have 0 PR unless you count mine which you can't as it's designed not to factor in balance.

[Vedith]

You are still trying to get me to push Cloud when if Cloud is Scum and you're town, that only leaves Ircher as Scum still and yet you seem less focused on him.

Why are you not pushing me?

[Vedith]

I dont feel pushed 1 bit. I only see you pushing on Cloud.

Hear his side of what?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Srceenplay

GG

[Vedith]

Meh. I told Ircher claiming anything other than VT was bad...

[Vedith]

Take me into your hands, Mario!
I am ready!

[Vedith]

Thanks for modding Mario.
I was tempted to still claim VT lynch Ircher and play for the win there.