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[JacksonVirgo]

:D

[JacksonVirgo]

Are we claimed?

[JacksonVirgo]

Since Drew is voting you I'm gonna assume no

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh drew is confirmed then, I'll try and omit that from my catchup to not leak TMI

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm writing up my catchup as we speak

[JacksonVirgo]

Gypyx be wolfin'

[JacksonVirgo]

Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*

I confirm, this is what happened

Silly ass mason soft I guess

[JacksonVirgo]

ketchup, Drew, Psyche, Luca, Black and Jackson - this is the town core, so hopefully we can work together on this elimination.

I'm still hesitant to TR you too much in the thread in case it gives too much away, so I'll refrain from saying this there.

If I'm wrong about one then it might be Black, but her recent play has been Townie.

Well, Titus has been put to E-1 so I've made my thoughts known anyway. I do think Titus could be being bussed but it's silly to rush an elimination with dubious slots on the wagon.

I can agree with that town core for the most part, a few people not on there I would put on there but I don't disagree with most of those.

I am not sure about how I feel about Titus anymore given their recent posts

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Ketchup is town but there's a few behavioural things that are tripping me up at the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe vote Hu Tao?

I think both her and gypyx could be scum, actually. i'd be interested to see reactions based on more pressure on her, and it might cause her to return to the thread as well.

I'd be down for Hu Tao if Gypyx is unrealistic to happen

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah they are, but I'm going to disregard it until they claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Appears to be a clear on Hu Tao if anything

[JacksonVirgo]

We already have a confirmed masonry and a vigilante, I am not sure how somebody would have an ability to clear somebody on top of three conf-towns.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah the Titus elim shouldn't have happened but it's fine, I'm not sure Hu Tao and Gypyx are both wolves but surely at least one of them are.

[JacksonVirgo]

9 people alive, 3 wolves likely. 5 claimed/softed PRs.
6v3 as we speak. Two kills into 4v3

Tomorrow we gotta mass-claim and I reckon we both claim VT until all the claims happened and then claim masons together (or keep it hidden) depending on how it goes.

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew claimed 1-shot but that could be a bluff

[JacksonVirgo]

You’re thinking Black?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, thoughts on just not claiming the masonry?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ketchup is very clearly going to be claiming PR

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, we'll wait for the massclaim to solidify a push. Black is a scary wolf it's good to keep a skeptical eye over her but I do think she's Town personally

[JacksonVirgo]

What's giving you this conclusion? Hu Tao's claim? Why does that make you more confident about ketchup?

[JacksonVirgo]

Thoughts on what Black just did?

[JacksonVirgo]

I see you didn't see what I saw

[JacksonVirgo]

Nothing spicy lmfao but she did claim out of order. It could mean nothing, but to me I feel it's more likely than not scum wouldn't do that. They would want as much info as they could get before committing to a claim or would be apprehensive at doing so to some degree. She just didn't seem to care about the claim, which makes sense for a VT.

[JacksonVirgo]

I see what you're saying, I'll see what happens post-massclaim

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you remember the ordering of Black's reads? Did they scum-read Hu Tao over Gypyx?

[JacksonVirgo]

If I get called out on my claim, I'm gonna claim friendly neighbour with you as a target and then did this to minimise information scum has to claim with.

[JacksonVirgo]

Player	Claim	Information
Hu Tao	Odd-Night Jailkeeper	Action information withheld
Gypyx	Vanilla Townie
Luca Blight	Mason
JacksonVirgo	Mason
ketchup777	Vanilla Townie
Psyche	1-shot Watcher	Action information withheld
Black	Vanilla Townie
OutWorldER	Macho Neapolitan	Action information withheld

Will resend once actions have been claimed

[JacksonVirgo]

Excluding red-herrings or weird mech stuff, if OutWorld is real then by extension so should Hu Tao.

[JacksonVirgo]

Like, she unvoted because she apparently didn't realise the situation. I find that hard to believe coming from an experienced player.

Black has made posts that I've liked, though, so I will have to consider it carefully.

Your turn to claim btw

[JacksonVirgo]

Claim VT preferably

[JacksonVirgo]

The Jailkeeper and the Vigilante seems to be linked as does the Neapolitan with the Masons. The Neapolitan is also linked to the Jailkeeper through the Macho modifier. Psyche by extension then should be Town due to the lack of reliable actions and having no obvious link.

[JacksonVirgo]

If we frame Psyche as confirmed town from the claim, they could get sniped and we live further. Which would be a hilarious play for masons to live after a massclaim

[JacksonVirgo]

There's a possible world where Gypyx just TMI'd me non-vanilla

[JacksonVirgo]

It feels like Gypyx is trying to set up mislims moreso than solve

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, I'm down for that

[JacksonVirgo]

Is it really gypyx/outworld/Black?

The chances are pretty high

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I've been purposefully keeping who specifically I think as wolf incredibly vague

[JacksonVirgo]

Ketchup is acting like the carbon copy of Gypyx

[JacksonVirgo]

Is ketchup wolf?

[JacksonVirgo]

Would be hilarious if it were Hu Tao / Ketchup / Gypyx

[JacksonVirgo]

In fact there's been many tonal issues with ketchup that I've shaken cuz of their content that I should look back on

[JacksonVirgo]

Might need to claim Mason here

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just so fucking pissed, I don't know why this is affecting me as much as it is

[JacksonVirgo]

So ketchup isn't wolf unless OW is

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah they're not, neapolitan clear.

[JacksonVirgo]

What's happened?

Ketchup is seeing Gypyx as town and is not budging so I got no idea how to swing it back

[JacksonVirgo]

I wonder if Mafia are informed of Masons? I'm starting to lean more towards claiming today, but not until we hear from Hu Tao and outworld.

Possible because Gypyx has been seemingly TMI about a lot of things, especially the "given the current setup" but that was before you claimed so maybe not

[JacksonVirgo]

Odd-night vig specifically

[JacksonVirgo]

JK seems to be linked to the vig and the neapolitan. I'm think that's the wolf role

[JacksonVirgo]

thinking*

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah idt they're both wolves. I am a little apprehensive about giving a town role that can clear a pass because we have three conf-town roles and then more conf-town making roles and ehhh

[JacksonVirgo]

What's ur plan surrounding this game?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah that's why my mason claim is on speed-dial

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really know

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm okay with claiming

[JacksonVirgo]

It is done.

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you think it's reasonable to go for a Black elim here?

[JacksonVirgo]

I worry the masonry will now be targeted leaving ketchup to be the prime target to cause a mislim and lose in the long-run, I think Gypyx choosing outworld here specifically is a mindgame

[JacksonVirgo]

We could force towns hand by just having both of us vote Black, and force ketchup and whatever to follow just based on town dissonance and how we'd always lose if they don't

[JacksonVirgo]

It's an interesting idea. It does seem more and more like gypyx/Black/Outworld, doesn't it?

I'll catch up a bit and consider.

It's probably needed to get Gypyx out, let me know what you conclude

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s possible for sure I need to think harder on it tho

[JacksonVirgo]

I fear that if they’re town, that behaviour paired with ketchups is gonna make gypyx unlimmable for any phase beyond today

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you think there's any chance of Hu Tao being scum? Her stubborn refusal to consider gypyx as scum is quite jarring in this gamestate.

They’re at E-2 without my vote, could you place it so I have freedom to hammer when the game is in a place where it’s suitable? I seem to be more available so I feel that’s better than the inverse

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna do a little trollin' that's definitely a reaction test and not just me wanting to fuck around fs fs

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm starting to think it's Psyche

I am very much not

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude I'm so scared

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

mfw

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh huh, I didn't know you can inline an image

[JacksonVirgo]

mfw

[JacksonVirgo]

This is a huge revelation!

[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

So goofy wtf

[JacksonVirgo]

plz fast night

I don't hold much hope that Hu Tao clutches this (if they're even town) but if it happens that'd be huge.

[JacksonVirgo]

Me seeing they flipped VT be like

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay that actually hurts my eyes, will stop doing that

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah the flip was unfortunate but like as I said before the flip, I didn't see any reasonable way for me to flip my read and not feel horrible about doing so. It would have needed to be a consolidation vote based on respecting the views of the people I town-read but as you had the same conclusion so I feel that was bound to happen either just then as it did, or three eliminations down the line. All in all, ketchup is going to be thinking that we should have voted for Outworld and yeah if you wanted to delay the decision but overall it would have ended up in this same position and if ketchup were to be killed I don't think I would have voted Psyche here and this decision would have just wasted everyones time even further. I believe you would have had a better chance at recovering and making the better decision than I would have but considering my vocality about the idea I don't think I would have gotten shot over you, perhaps that would have clued me in on what was going on? Unsure

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't realise you were planning on analysing things further, I should have not been so impatient. I did try and sit back and relinquish control of the game-state to you as much as I could because I was aware that I was clouded here (not sure if you noticed I was doing that, it's not typical for me) and I should have kept doing that. It's a learning experience, I learned a lot this game so I'm keen to put that into practice in my future games.

[JacksonVirgo]

No redactions from me