Mini Theme 2330 - Mafia PT

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inb4 everyone's a miller (kinda wanna claim miller it'd be really funny)

Confirmation received.

- Alianna

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- a game based on questionable mechanics/roles
- we're all godfathers

I love this for us

It's because investigations are handled by rolecops instead of cops

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thought it was obvious given the rolecop-finder

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Thoughts on trusting Koba claiming Traitor and just shooting them tonight? Down to shoot there if there aren't any better targets

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Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

150ish posts before that you said I was town. Want to explain the opinion flip?

yeah i was high asf

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

Devastating news for the straight edge community

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We literally just woke up to a nightstart PM, wtf just happened

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Arko going the entire day 1 without ever making a post is pretty funny

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No clue on who to rolecop atm and I won't be around too much this weekend

Rolecop-Finder not Rolecop

Does 3+1/9 make sense numbers wise for traitor?

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There's inherent multitasking so Black can finder and kill at the same time. Shoot Koba and finder a null slot that's not gonna get limmed or shot naturally?

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Black shoots Koba

Black Rolecop-Finders Enchant

Actions for now just in case we all forget about this game

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We didn't realise

light_ganski Rolecop-Finders Enchant

Black shoots Koba

Feel like any tracker's probably gonna be checking light over Black here

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Setup spec: was Rolecop-Finder a red herring and the intended Godfather interaction to be disloyal Cop or do we think there's also a rolecop in the game

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Gonna start keeping a list of fake claims, feel free to steal them if needed:

• Simple Roleblocker (would only block Inventions from an Inventor)
  
• Disloyal Combined Vigilante Bodyguard (If you visit town you get roleblocked, if you visit mafia you kill yourself. Plays like a Weak Visitor but would also return guilty to a Gunsmith)
  
• Psychologist (When's the last time you saw a Psychologist)
  
• Detective (See above)
  
• Disloyal Friendly Neighbor
  
• Traitor-Enabler (On death all Traitors turn into Mafia Goons)
  
• Backup Informed (Become Informed when someone Informed dies) (We can actually realistically claim this)

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• Combined Rolestopper Watcher (You will only see Strong-Willed/Strengthened visits)
  
• Combined Roleblocker Simple Strengthener (Only Strengthens Inventions)
  
• Macho Commuter (Macho does nothing since people targetting you should be treated as roleblocked)
  
• Personal PT Cop (Doesn't see mafia PT so would only interact with Mason/Neighbor)

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make sure to claim some kind of cop cause it's looking like everyone's a cop

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Just say who you have an inno on and if you need to full claim go regular old Town Cop (unless you wanna be the vanilla townie)

Also looks like a mailman game wonder what's up with that

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Ranger is one of Disloyal/Loyal/Simple/Complex Cop probably, only really relevant if she's (dis)loyal and that again runs into the problem of two ungated cops in a mini

Alternatively she's once again just lying and is straight up a regular Town Cop

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Enchant is obvtown because they're the only VT claim and there needs to be one VT for the game to be normal, up to you if you wanna claim VT to muddy the waters light

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If she's simple/complex and light claims cop then she doesn't matter (Though this hard clears Enchant if they claim VT since there must be at least one VT {Side note: Ketchup claims to be mailman'd but no one claimed a cop check on him meaning either Enchant is Messenger or someone's a Simultaneous Cop Messenger or a Messenger fake claiming Cop})
If she's weak then maybe (need to look into if it makes sense for a Weak Cop to target a Miller claim they were sussing instead of someone they have a townish read on)
If she's loyal/disloyal then yeah she needs to die
If she's fakeclaiming and just a regular cop then she's irrelevant
If she's fakeclaiming and is VT/Messenger then literally no reason to kill her

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We don't believe Ranger is trueclaiming here, she's probably one of VT/Messenger/Cop with no Modifier

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In case light gets replaced:
Setup is everyone is cop except for enchant who is probably the mandatory VT
Setup deviates from normal rules in one way (Godfather wasn't announced), town has figured out it's likely a godfather game
Massclaim has happened, light slot is the only non-claimer, enchant claimed not cop, everyone else claimed some sort of cop
Light-slot is decently scumread

Claim VT if you think you can win a 1v1 against enchant as the mandatory VT (Their slot never posted d1, enchant replaced in during the night, but Enchant is in a lot better position than your slot rn)
Claim Town Cop with an inno on Ranger (light was sussing her) if you don't think you can win a 1v1

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Time to repeat the frenemies game?

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fitting the bill of uninformed majority.

you should be informed enough to see 'cop' in your role PM

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Mmhmm. I'm getting somewhat of an informed vibe from their reads on Drew and I. If python is scum I think Drew is probably spewed town

I agree, and extend that to you as well.

I believe usesPython-scum spews all of {JacksonVirgo, Doctor Drew, Black} as town, potentially ketchup777 too.

History repeats itself

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You're doing fine, there's a reason we called you obvtown

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Ranger is like at worst simple/complex cop, just treat the entire game like mountainous

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Just NK someone obvtown with good reads (If we're going the bus route then Ranger before she can reassess, otherwise a "spewed town" slot probably)

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Linking myself with Titus here to muddy the waters a bit

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Time for Enchant to end the day

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Ok so Jackson got a red check on me. I was gonna claim Town Cop and get a green check on him but now I'm wondering if I should claim something else?

Also, with the plan, python you have to target me. What's gonna be your full role claim? I need help with this mech stuff to make it believable

Third, who do y'all want to hit?

JV didn't get a red check that was a joke

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light claimed an inconclusive result on Enchant so she has to claim a modifier that'd no result a VT (Complex, Disloyal)

Black you claiming any modifier means you're more likely to get into a claim battle, with the way you're setup right now it's probably best to just claim Town Cop

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thoughts on having light claim a disloyal cop red check on someone?

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We'll also be claiming Town Cop

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thoughts on having light claim a disloyal cop red check on someone?

As in getting a "Target is town" message which would only happen if Godfather was targeted

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usesPython shoots Enchant

just in case we forget to submit anything

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Ok so Jackson got a red check on me. I was gonna claim Town Cop and get a green check on him but now I'm wondering if I should claim something else?

Also, with the plan, python you have to target me. What's gonna be your full role claim? I need help with this mech stuff to make it believable

Third, who do y'all want to hit?

JV didn't get a red check that was a joke

How can you be so sure? What am I missing

They literally called you town in 1083

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JV was on the Titus wagon EOD with you, there's a 0% chance they actually have a red check on you

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Maybe we go Ranger here? Didn't she claim a modified cop?

There's like a 90% chance she's lying and flips Town Cop, 8% she flips Simple/Complex, 2% Loyal/Disloyal

We can go there if you want but it should be for mostly dayplay reasons over mech fear

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Yeah no I agree we should be killing someone other than enchant here to maximize thread control, the enchant kill is just there as a placeholder

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Townies still alive: Ranger/JV/ketchup/enchant/Drew/Hu Tao/PC

We're thinking a JV/Ranger kill here?

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Also I'm definitely coming around on killing ranger, but I'm happy with killing enchant tonight as well

Not sure who you should Rolecop though

Someone light would be able to reasonably scumread

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Shooting enchant and red checking ranger would be pretty funny

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If no one was scumreading JV we can also shoot there

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If you have the confidence then either shoot Enchant/check Ranger for the 0 info nightkill or shoot JV/check Ranger for the thread control

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usesPython shoots JV

JV's pretty widely townread rn so this'd also probably count as a 0 info kill, we can kill Enchant at ELO

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Drew shot would be a third option to maximize the Ranger scum narrative

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Shooting JV here instead of Enchant creates a light anti-scum narrative where scum were expecting to shoot Enchant at ELO so 1f1ing would go counter to that since scum would be forced to give info on the final kill

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I'm fine with shooting JV

Just need LG to change her target now

(sorry for all the changes Alianna )

Does LG target really matter when the Rolecop-finder was a red herring and Ranger's getting 1f1'd anyways?

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Well that backfired

We couldn't have known Ranger was the real VT

Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked

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I'm not even really sure what to do in this game state

Kill light, Black, PC, then 1v1 Ketchup/Hu Tao

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The best part about being the endgamer is that no one can stop us from making wack kills

Considering shooting Enchant here, especially if Ranger figures out the full team

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We call it the "it can't be this easy" gambit

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Black shoots Ranger

Requesting fast night (inb4 Enchant is protective)

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Feel free to quickhammer anyone that hits E-1

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I just realized a normal Traitor

• identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
  
• cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot

lmao why did we shoot Koba

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Amazing how the classic mistake of "town assumes scum have read what roles do" that we normally take good advantage of might actually lose us the game

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I think Black lim -> Drew kill -> PC lim -> Hu Tao/ketchup kill -> Enchant/Hu Tao lim is one of the few viable endgames here

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If we hit E-1 just hammer us and play for endgame

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Python kills Hu Tao

Gonna read over the game later to see if there are any better kills

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Python kills Doctor Drew

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Who are we even supposed to be taking in f3 if we get PC out tomorrow? ketchup/Enchant/Hu Tao/Python, shoot enchant and let ketchup kingmaker/Hu Tao wifom into voting ketchup? God this is hard

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ugh I feel like Drew's a terrible kill cause it doesn't create a strong narrative

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but any kill that actually furthers a narrative also doesn't work cause then the f3 is ass for us

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lmao wtf was PC thinking checking Enchant there lmaoooo

anyways

Kill Hu Tao

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F in chat, this is so sad