Beyond the Gap (Dead & Spectator Thread)

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guess who also didn't play

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lol did someone screw up and alt slip somewhere

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I see, im curious who it was lol.

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NGL seeing "Koishi replaces Koishi" made me giggle

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I giggle a bit when Aya uses the phrases "good faith" and "bad faith" when interacting with Sanae.

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Well that went south fast.

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Kagerou: "What is Tenshi cooking"
Me: "Probably something Peach related"

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Goat Simulator

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"You can't be both town and bad faith"
Excuse me JOAT upick begs to differ

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Damn, someone did actually alt slip

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"But there are also plenty of players that get paralyzed when wagon’d and can’t really scum hunt at the same time, or calm down.
Or at least, not well."
Lol reminds me of myself.

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Daiyousei makes strange assumptions about how people play the game.

i think a lot of people are doing that this game.

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I do not want to pursue another wagon, run them up, and get another claim out there, just to decided that the next person's role is too good to elim, and then we all collectively pivot back to Ichirin last minute.

Are we now at 3 claims?

Probably, i saw 2 full claims, i dont remember the 3rd.

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oh did she? i remember someone speculating that she had one considering she's Marisa and Master Spark is a thing, but i didnt remember if she claimed to be able to kill people.

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I may or may not be able to thrown a laser beam at someone's face yes

this ability is also unable to be recharged so i'm advising no one tries to do this to gain a second vig shot

Oh yeah i guess she did

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Daiyousei is obsessed with Kagerou isnt she

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Where did "Kagerou has a day vig" come from now? i only saw vig lol

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Interesting momentum shift onto Sanae this late in the day.

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now we have FOUR claims D1, damn

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reveals alignment and makes me untergetable for a day and a night, and when i die i become treestumped

Nothing says that can’t be a wolf role

Thanks Clownpiece, your words have been very enlightening today.

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RIP Medicine

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He did LOL

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Hi Larva

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Oh it was you!, i never would've guessed, i've only managed to guess 2 ppl lol

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Why did i imagine notty was playing lol

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notty, everything is not as it seems

GIF told me how everything went down and it was WILD

GIF also told me how everything went down, and i agree.
Also i helped design part of the setup so im spoiled on all alignments and roles.

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I'm so spoiled I've been carted off to the landfill.

But I still need a list of all the character names and main acct names when I'm reading the thread.

Same

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I wonder if anyone thought/thinks im in the game lol

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I still dont know why

scum roleblocked Sanae

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It literally gave town an extra night lol

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I think on balance I don't really like such mechanics heavy games

Role madness is pretty swingy, but it's also my favorite.

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It also was a bit simpler before I changed it.

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This is why Philosopher's Stone should've been a day ability

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I wasn’t trying to hide my identity I’m not sure that’s possible

I kinda, figured it was you, then confirmed it with GIF, i think at this point without roleplay like joyboy kind you're pretty easy to guess.

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So lemme get this straight, there was a claimed Doctor and a claimed Cop that only Kaguya, Dai and Clownpiece knew about, and the Cop dies instead of the doctor or the conftowns through doctor protection?

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(oh and Dai died too i guess)

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This is torturous to watch lol

It's kinda entertaining to me coz i keep flipping from thinking whether town or scum will win everytime something happens lol.
Also for spiffeh only but

Spoiler:

Can you tell me what's the rationale behind scum fake claiming flavor?

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Koishi better not kill shoulder Tenshis one strong townread

Which one was that again?

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What's baffling to me is

Spoiler:

There's 4 players fake claiming atm

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@Gypyx btw if you were curious

Spoiler:

Your Burglary ability has a different effect based on who you targeted, you just happened to target the only player who would get their active ability disabled for one phase.

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Also

Spoiler: Fake Claims

Koishi, Aya, Kaguya and Reisen are all fake claiming atm.

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Spoiler:

reisen is like classic utr lurking scum idk why it's so hard to wagon them

And i was correct that the way kaguya is playing this game solely thru mech is scummy

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My pet peeve is how Kaguya set up a double kill on Dai and Clownpiece and got away with it despite Dai surviving by reviving.

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Should be in bookmarks or subscriptions if old kagerou didnt remove it manually

Imaging using those functions. I can't!

I will never understand people who use egosearch instead of bookmarks/subscriptions to play games

Me neither. Bookmarks give you "thread with new posts" notifications in your notification thingy as a bonus!

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Spoiler: Fake claims cont.

First of all Reisen isn't Reisen, she's Nue, second of all she's not ascetic she's investigation immune, third of all, she has a different set of abilities and spellcards lol. Funny thing is all it takes is Kagerou using burglarly on Reisen (when she's not self-rolestopping) or Kaguya to break their fake claims. But alas

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Kagerou using burglarly on Reisen

I thought this is exactly what Kagerou claimed to do last night?

As I said

When she's not self role-stopping

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Town does not deserve to win this game

I agree, im kinda hoping scum wins this

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Inb4 kaguya goes: koishi and aya are not dead!!!1!

(Which is admittedly exactly what I would be thinking here)

I would NOT be surprised lol.

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Hello Dai, im surprised, what made you townread Kaguya?

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Side note: I was 2/2 on player guesses, as much as one was so much not a guess that I didn't even bother writing it down in my notes PT due to how obvious the player was to me. Avoiding player meta in Anon games is easy, just be unable to tell who anyone is.

Did anyone guess who I was?

I have literally no idea who you are.

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Same

Don't we know already that people aren't told if they got roleblocked ...

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It would have notified Yuuka, but it failed coz it fails if the target has used all their spellcards.

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Imagine the mod giving scum a quadruple voter.
Imagine the town wanting to eliminate said quadruple voter.

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So like

Spoiler:

The town has suspected, a vig with a flavor cop that has side effects, and a quadruple voter with a passive disabler of being scum (Confirmed abilities btw). But cant be arsed to figure out if someone is fake claiming their abilities?

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Well at least Flan flip should help everyone figure out why yuuka didnt get informed of the roleblock...

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I didn't get informed of the roleblock
There was like 20 pages dedicated to that topic

What a train wreck

Flan's is special, coz it's permanent, and you have to sacrifice a spellcard or ability to cancel it, so the mod would need to inform you of that.

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IS THIS FUCKING REAL

LMAO WHAT THE FUCK

It is! Go Scum!

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Honestly despite the town fake claims, scum is playing absolutely great, and town just keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

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Seriously tho.
Do they think a scum marisa activates a quadruple voter, allowing her to solo hammer someone on the day before Elo, and not use it to kill a conftownie like Aya?
I know she wasnt allowed to solo hammer, but people in the thread didnt know that.

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I was a little sad Cirno never got a mention in-game

she was your neighbor!

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Also isnt clownpiece the strongest fairy now, i still have nightmares of those spellcards

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I was a little sad Cirno never got a mention in-game

she was your neighbor!

GODDAMN THAT ICE BOZO

yup she fake claimed her flavor to you.

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Now the biggest question I have is whether Marisa read the part where it says the first spellcard fails if the target has no remaining spellcards.

Aside from Sanae (Patchy's) which was a complicated mess, i think people arent reading their spellcards/abilities much this game.

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I guess i'm partially at fault for making Patchy's philosopher's stone stronger to warrant the 3 MP spend.

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Like the one thing that's helping town right now

Spoiler:

Is the fact that there's 2 towns fake claiming way stronger roles than what they actually have and scum is believing them.
Aya doesnt have a watch, she has a voyeur, and Koishi isnt a Saint whatever that was, she's just a regular bodyguard, she has 2 spellcards that somewhat do what she claimed. One allows her to become bulletproof while protecting and see if the target is attacked, and the other makes any target she wants, not just her target, strongwilled, however as spellcards, both of these are 1-shot lol.

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I cannot believe koishi would dare fakeclaim to try and draw aggro

I don’t get why Ayas voyeur thing is supposed to CC Yuuka either lol

Aya claimed watcher not voyeur (and even claimed able to self-watch i think).

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I know. I don’t know why it’s being used to CC Yuuka.

For non-Aya, because that's what she claimed.

For Aya, idk, either she misread her ability, or she's just adhering to her fake claim

Spoiler: Fun Design facts

When GIF asked for my help with design as a flavor expert, he originally had Koishi (Youmu) as a vig, but as he couldnt decide what to give Kagerou (Marisa), i suggested to make Youmu a bodyguard instead, i also suggested the spellcard that makes her BP + detects killing actions on her protect target, so that he could give Marisa Master Spark, because Marisa without Master Spark in a touhou game feels kinda empty.

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I played horribly. That being said, I have no idea how I was remotely close to being "confirmed scum" and why everyone started scumreading me when day started.

Coz you said you could get a clear and used that to avoid claiming and people were already scumreading you the previous day phase.
That being said, scum managed to scare town into quick hammering you and town is pretty good at turning their brains off when they are scared, because no one stopped to think "Hey if she was scum that could solo hammer, she'd have already quick hammered a conf town for a free kill"

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I like checking in on the game thread and seeing that Day 4 still has over 6 days before deadline.

It lasted like <3 hours lol.

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Pretty much, unless Kagerou unvotes before any get online, but im not counting on that, whoever kagerou is didnt bother to read yuuka's ISO to see if she claimed miller or something.

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considering town did absolutely nothing right this game outside of one very specific night action this is the way this deserves to go

QFT
btw

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She forgor

Ok at least it's not insta loss
(Also i thought it was called Elo not Melo, ever since the wording change all these acronyms are confusing to me)

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Me too (probably)
I wonder if a scum was online but forgot about the Melo/Elo rule

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FUCK

it's ok, maybe they'll miselim Kagerou, or Yuuka.

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I like the part where Day 3 Koshi was like "mechanics have made me miselim twice so im not gonna do mech" > Day 4 > "OMG MECHANICS FOUND US CONF SCUM" > Miselim again

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Man if i was scum here i'd be frozen in nervousness (no pun intended)

just look at Toriel's patience lol

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That being said im impressed

with how Kaguya's using role complexity to her advantage

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Scum quick hammering that vote was the ending that this game deserved tbh

This.
It would equate to the ammount of play put by town vs scum this game.

Specially considering town just literally used all of their most powerful abilities on thin air.

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Well

Kaguya's

certainly trying very hard to end it here.

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Arguing that scum dont have enough goodies to deal with the town goodies with only 1/3 scum have flipped is certainly a choice.

It doesnt help that town doesnt know the scum factionals (nor the remaining scum abilities), nor does this thread either.

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For clarity

Spoiler: Remaining scum abilities

Reisen (Nue), Spellcard 1: Make someone undefined (investigation immune). Spellcard 2: Make herself rolestopped. Active: Oracle. Passive: Investigation Immune.
Kaguya (Cirno), Spellcard 1: Roleblock a player. Spellcard 2: Roleblock up to 3 players by spending 1 motivation point per player. Active: Recharge spellcard 2 by spending 3 motivation points. Passive: Gain 1 motivation point for every 2 players that voted her (Kaguya), doesnt count self-vote.
Factionals: NK, Chat, Recharge a scum spellcard, Can multitask a factional on top of everything else, and if last scum can multitask all factionals too.

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I may have to fall back on VCA but that might out my identity.

ah.

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I so deeply regret not calling Kaguya out more for flavor spec, given I was in the unique position of being a huge Touhou nerd and also playing as a character that GiF had to make from scratch. I should have pushed back harder after semi-casually pointing it out once and getting ignored entirely.

Also im surprised that nobody's going "maybe they are fake claiming flavor?" and the only person that seems to be pushing this "flavor solving" is Kaguya

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There was a day 4?

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yawn

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I love how Kaguya keeps going with "independently of <insert scumhunting method> what are your reads like"

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Town are going to let Kaguya get away with demanding reads of others when she utterly refuses to read Reisen, aren't they?

Looks like it

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Is Reisen really trying to angle a Yuuka/Kaguya team? lol

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Funnily enough.

Why would Kagerou do this in elo

IDK WHY WOULD A NOW CONF SCUM PURSUE THE ELIMINATION OF A CONFIRMED VIG

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I think you played this really well kaguya!

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It is fine, you did great, i was so convinced scum had this in the bag before lol

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Now we wait for Kagerou to appear... if she ever appears.

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I feel like Reisen's just screwed here, she has to go against a confirmed a vig and a person that doesnt make sense as scum partner with Kaguya, yet she takes the scum vig option lol.

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Oh right Aya, now that you're here, did u actually fake claim watcher or did u misread your ability.

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Imagine if you had targeted the NK and then GIF told you "was targeted by a killing action", you'd be so confused

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Rei'sen

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On another note that was an overreaction

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Yuuka: "never going to live this down if i fuck up here"

You're correct!

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I will feel legitimately bad for the Mafia team if it turns out that Reisen could have lurked out the end of Day 5 to get a No Elim victory but chose to vote anyway and ends up being the Day 6 elimination.

That would be a historic achievement

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Imagine if Yuuka mind tricks herself into voting Kagerou from reading Day 1.